I think the integrity of football is very important

[cp#]

I think the integrity of our politicians is more important, you fuckwad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

I do believe that it is a matter of importance. It's not going to displace the stimulus package or the Iraq war, but I think the integrity of football is very important, and I think the National Football League has a special duty to the American people -- and further the Congress -- because they have an antitrust exemption.

The Congress has a special duty to protect the American people. You know protecting our unalienable rights? Here is a motherfucker pushing for telecom immunity and domestic spying and he's upset about spygate? What the fuck?

[Rifter]

That guy is a HARD-CORE football fan. Remember, if the people are distracted by sports, then the politicians can push through pretty much anything they want, behind the scenes!

Though, I do kind of understand where he is coming from. NFL is "special" and because of that, they have to work harder, at maintaining they are above board. When they destroy evidence, well, that brings other items into question.

[cp#]

That guy is a HARD-CORE football fan. Remember, if the people are distracted by sports, then the politicians can push through pretty much anything they want, behind the scenes!

Though, I do kind of understand where he is coming from. NFL is "special" and because of that, they have to work harder, at maintaining they are above board. When they destroy evidence, well, that brings other items into question.

Wow are you fucking kidding me? White House destroyed thousands of Emails, I guess no one remembers. When they destroy evidence, well, that brings other items into question.

[Rifter]

Wow are you fucking kidding me? White House destroyed thousands of Emails, I guess no one remembers. When they destroy evidence, well, that brings other items into question.

I work for a government agency, and a lot of the emails that got "destroyed" would not have survived at my work either. We have a specific Data Retention policy. Disk space costs money. Honestly, I have not looked too far into the White House thing, but it seemed to me, they were looking for emails that were a few years old. I don't believe that is realistic in the least bit. The NFL stuff, is months old. HUGE difference in data retention.

[Vanthar]

Some PA senator wants the REAL reason why his Eagles lost the Superbowl. TO already told us they lost because Donovan McNabb is out of shape :)

[Beelzebud]

I work for a government agency, and a lot of the emails that got "destroyed" would not have survived at my work either. We have a specific Data Retention policy. Disk space costs money. Honestly, I have not looked too far into the White House thing, but it seemed to me, they were looking for emails that were a few years old. I don't believe that is realistic in the least bit. The NFL stuff, is months old. HUGE difference in data retention.

There is a huge difference between the office of the President of the United States and some vague "government agency".

White House emails most certainly should be saved for historical, and oversight reasons.

[Xerxes]

Stop wasting money on sports and go vote on something.

[Rifter]

There is a huge difference between the office of the President of the United States and some vague "government agency".

White House emails most certainly should be saved for historical, and oversight reasons.
Do you HONESTLY believe that every note, memo, mail, and email that every president has ever written or recieved is archived?

Even a president deserves SOME bit of privacy.

[maverick106]

Some PA senator wants the REAL reason why his Eagles lost the Superbowl. TO already told us they lost because Donovan McNabb is out of shape :)

Real Pennsylvanians love only the Steelers :p

[maverick106]

because they have an antitrust exemption.

Here's the key. They are allowed an exemption to be a monopoly on their product (i.e. professional football). Normal companies with competition are accountable to the customer, because the customer has choices in which product to buy. In this case, the customers only choice if they object is to not watch any football, which is much less reasonable than, say, switching to a different brand of toothpaste. If they hurt the football market, it just dies...no competitor can pick up the slack.

It sounds frivolous, until you think about what happens if the NFL destroys the game and/or themselves. How many jobs lost? How much will it hurt the economy? The answer is quite a bit.

[Telefrog]

Do you HONESTLY believe that every note, memo, mail, and email that every president has ever written or recieved is archived?

Even a president deserves SOME bit of privacy.

Have you ever heard of Sarbanes-Oxley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes_oxley) or HIPAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPAA)? Private firms have neither the right to privacy or stewardship of their internal records. Why should the governement?

Here's the primer: Presidential Records Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act). Note this part in particular:

Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal.

[Rifter]

S-OX does not count ALL kinds of emails, just those that deal with the accounting-esque type items, not everything. Though, if there is legal shenanigans going on, the government COULd request records that are not really covered by S-OX, and there isn't much a business could do. (From an IT standpoint, S-OX is a friggen pain in the ass).

The problem, *I* see with the email scandle for the government, after reading it, is that it looks like the white house insiders hid a bunch of stuff, by going through a non-governmental ISP. TECHNICALLY, I think what they did is ok. Ethicially, it is not. In our society, we celebrate the winners, no matter how unethical they are... those with ethics people ignore, because they didn't win. The government and businesses are playing by the rules WE give them. *shrug*

This NFL item is completely different. Quite honestly, I don't care WHAT kind of data retention you have, what the NFL did, was destroy documents that SHOULD have been covered under ANY reasonable data retention policy.

[Telefrog]

S-OX does not count ALL kinds of emails, just those that deal with the accounting-esque type items, not everything. Though, if there is legal shenanigans going on, the government COULd request records that are not really covered by S-OX, and there isn't much a business could do. (From an IT standpoint, S-OX is a friggen pain in the ass).

Correct. Sorbanes-Oxely and HIPAA do not mandate that a business/agency keep all emails. It only mandates records of a finanical or business nature, in S-OX case, or health records in HIPAA's. The problem is that if you delete or trash a record, you have no evidence that what you threw out did not actually fall under the mandate. Also, during a federal audit all bets are off. They can, and do, ask for records of everything and woe to the IT admin that did not archive it all somewhere.

This is the same issue with the Bush email scandal. Maybe the emails that were destroyed were innocent. Who really knows? The problem is that without the evidence, it's tough to say whether or not the destruction had a sinister purpose.

As for the NFL issue? Christ. It's football. Get over it.

[Sinistar]

Real Pennsylvanians love only the Steelers :p

yeah, real DUMB Pennsyltuckians ;)

[Rifter]

This is the same issue with the Bush email scandal. Maybe the emails that were destroyed were innocent. Who really knows? The problem is that without the evidence, it's tough to say whether or not the destruction had a sinister purpose.

As for the NFL issue? Christ. It's football. Get over it.

NFL is a business... like any other. :-) If they screw up, like an enron, or other major company, in the media/public spotlight... they will get nailed.

As for the email scandal, the problem is, I think there is a mountain being made out of mole hill, here. Like I said, I don't think what they did was lawfully wrong, but they need to be taken to task over ethical problems. In ALL honesty, deleting the emails doesn't even bother me... I think those records were a bit old... what REALLY bothers me, is that the RNC (it looks like) set up a seperate Domain/ISP and it was routinely used, to circumvent the whitehouse government email system. THAT is the aspect I think people should look at, a LOT closer.

UPDATE: Ok, I talked to a buddy of mine, that works a VERY major company in the US. They have a data retention policy of 60 days from the day the email is received. They have 7 days of backups, as well. So, you could concievably see 67 days, with backups. That is all. They are S-OX compliant.

[KingGorilla]

Do you HONESTLY believe that every note, memo, mail, and email that every president has ever written or recieved is archived?

Even a president deserves SOME bit of privacy.

You give up privacy when you take public office and begin living in a public home(The White House).