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Karamazov
01-27-2008, 09:40 PM
Chavez calls for anti-US alliance (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7212457.stm)

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has called on other Latin American and Caribbean countries to form a military alliance against the United States.

The vehemently anti-US leader says Nicaragua, Bolivia, Cuba and Dominica should create one united force.

Despite constant US denials, Mr Chavez is convinced it poses a serious threat to South and Central America.

Venezuela's socialist leader has long been a critic of what he sees as US imperialism.

He has recently accused the country of trying to destabilise the region by forging stronger links with Colombia.

Mr Chavez has some key allies in his fight against capitalism, globalisation and the US.

Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and now the Caribbean island of Dominica are all members of a trade alliance known as the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas, a group that takes its name from South America's independence leader, Simon Bolivar.

Mr Chavez has urged them to draw up a joint defence policy and create a united military force against US imperialism.

"If the US threatens one of us, it threatens all of us," he said, "we will respond as one."

Chavez Urges Latin American Allies to Move Reserves Out of US (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080126/venezuela_alba_summit.html)

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged his Latin American allies on Saturday to begin withdrawing billions of dollars in international reserves from U.S. banks, warning of a looming U.S. economic crisis.

Chavez made the suggestion as he hosted a summit aimed at boosting Latin American integration and rolling back U.S. influence.

"We should start to bring our reserves here," Chavez said. "Why does that money have to be in the north? ... You can't put all your eggs in one basket."

To help pool resources within the region, Chavez and other leaders launched a new development bank at the summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Nations of Our America, or ALBA.

The left-leaning regional trade alliance first proposed by Chavez is intended to offer an alternative, socialist path to integration while snubbing U.S.-backed free-trade deals.

Chavez noted that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited Colombia in recent days, saying "that has to do with this summit."

"The empire doesn't accept alternatives," Chavez told the gathering, attended by the presidents of Bolivia and Nicaragua and Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage.

Chavez warned that U.S. "imperialism is entering into a crisis that can affect all of us" and said Latin America "will save itself alone."

Rice left Colombia on Friday after a trip aimed at reviving a free trade deal that has stalled in the U.S. Congress. She sidestepped an opportunity to confront Chavez, who accused Colombia and the United States of plotting "military aggression" against Venezuela.

Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega joined Chavez in his criticism of U.S.-style capitalism, saying "the dictatorship of global capitalism ... has lost control." Three days earlier, Ortega had shouted "Long live the U.S. government" as he inaugurated an American-financed section of highway in his country.

Gilius Thunderhead
01-27-2008, 10:45 PM
What did he do this time?

Aww, hell, maybe I should actually read the first post before replying to this thread....

Okay, I read it and...wow.

Not much else to say.

Now, the countries he is soliciting to join the fight against The States are kinda poor, if I recall correctly (and correct me if I don't! I want to know this stuff properly), so at least I don't think them pulling their cash out of the states could hurt us very much. I'm fairly sure that Microsoft pulls more revenue in a year than some of those countries do in three (though not all put together, certainly).Yeah, that was an exaggeration. Do I look like I care?

Kielaran
01-27-2008, 10:55 PM
Yes, crazy, but crazy like a fox. He fears US troops, so by gathering allies, he is trying to protect himself.

Rifter
01-27-2008, 10:58 PM
I say, the day ofter this happens, we invade one of the smaller countries that is part of the treaty, to see if anyone helps out. So, all this work, and a day later, we will prove the treaty is null and void, by testing it.

Gilius Thunderhead
01-27-2008, 11:09 PM
I say, the day ofter this happens, we invade one of the smaller countries that is part of the treaty, to see if anyone helps out. So, all this work, and a day later, we will prove the treaty is null and void, by testing it.

The international community would look down on that. I think inciting infighting from the shadows would be more prudent and be more fitting of our past roles in South America.

IrishWhiskey
01-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Chavez is a dick (to put it mildly). But the reason we don't like him is because he's an anti-US dick, instead of a pro-US dick. Dickishness has never been a problem for us in terms of allies.

Given that his idle threats have basically zero impact on us, the main people I feel sorry for are those in Venezuela, living under this tyrant's rule.

The international community would look down on that. I think inciting infighting from the shadows would be more prudent and be more fitting of our past roles in South America.And basically why this guy is in charge. Because people remember that stuff.

cp#
01-27-2008, 11:17 PM
Yes, crazy, but crazy like a fox.

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baggle
01-27-2008, 11:18 PM
Yeah, well I guess you gotta do/say something to take the peoples' minds off of the lack of basic supplies due to stupid 'socialist' economic policies.

Deadend
01-27-2008, 11:19 PM
Meh, without the US, I am guessing South America would be ever so much fucked. Who else is going to buy their cocaine and coffey beans?

NationalKato
01-28-2008, 07:55 AM
I say, the day ofter this happens, we invade one of the smaller countries that is part of the treaty, to see if anyone helps out. So, all this work, and a day later, we will prove the treaty is null and void, by testing it.

Prison yard politics usually don't play out very well on the international stage. Just sayin'....

Deadend
01-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Prison yard politics usually don't play out very well on the international stage. Just sayin'....

yeah, but we should totally make Brazil our bitch.

Oxonian
01-28-2008, 08:28 AM
Now, the countries he is soliciting to join the fight against The States are kinda poor, if I recall correctly (and correct me if I don't! I want to know this stuff properly), so at least I don't think them pulling their cash out of the states could hurt us very much. I'm fairly sure that Microsoft pulls more revenue in a year than some of those countries do in three (though not all put together, certainly).Yeah, that was an exaggeration. Do I look like I care?
If you're comparing the Bolivian government's revenue to Microsoft's, you are not exaggerating. Microsoft had about $44 billion (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9001926) in revenue in fiscal 2006. In 2003, Bolivia's public sector had revenues of about 14 billion (http://www.imf.org/external/np/loi/2003/bol/01/index.htm) bolivianos. The current exchange rate is about 7.6 bolivianos to the dollar, so Bolivia's government had revenues of only about $2 billion in 2003. In other words, Microsoft takes in more in a single year than Bolivia's government does in a generation.

And Bolivia isn't even the poorest of these countries. Dominica produces a mere $384 million every year. Bill Gates could personally buy Dominica out of pocket change.

Even taking in the entirety of Bolivia's economy, it has a GDP (at least in nominal terms) of only $12.8 billion (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/bl.html) (about twice that in PPP). So yes, Microsoft has more than three times the annual revenues of Bolivia.

In PPP terms, the total GDP for the four countries -- Dominica, Cuba, Bolivia, and Nicaragua -- is only about $80 billion. That's less than half of Venezuela's GDP, about $186 billion. Added with Venezuela, the five countries combined to form an economic Voltron worth $266 billion every year... or about 2% of the U.S. economy. Together, the five countries produce slightly less than Denmark does.

Achilles
01-28-2008, 08:50 AM
Meh, without the US, I am guessing South America would be ever so much fucked. Who else is going to buy their cocaine and coffey beans?Actually we still buy quite a bit of Chavez's oil too despite his constant saber rattling. Maybe he doesn't realize that no matter how many times he visits Iran, and how many times he talks about making an anti-US alliance, we really just don't care that much about him. If he was actually a threat we'd slap an embargo on him like we do on Iran, North Korea, and other threatening countries.

Personally I think he's still just using it as a method to get more power. His attempt at a power grab late last year failed and now he's trying to make a poor-man's NATO to guard against the vile threat of the country that buys most of their products. He desperately wants to be important and cover up the poverty in his own country which he fails to address.

Another interesting thing regarding Chavez is that his army crossing his neighbors borders, scouting out land for a possible invasion. I forget which neighboring country it was but apparently they have a lot of untapped oil deposits which they aren't interested in developing, so Chavez has all but laid claim to the land and is making moves on controlling it. If he does that I would hope that we lay the smack down on him before he starts grabbing his Lebensraum.

LongStepMantis
01-28-2008, 08:57 AM
Actually we still buy quite a bit of Chavez's oil too despite his constant saber rattling. Maybe he doesn't realize that no matter how many times he visits Iran, and how many times he talks about making an anti-US alliance, we really just don't care that much about him. If he was actually a threat we'd slap an embargo on him like we do on Iran, North Korea, and other threatening countries.


This.
I'm not implying that Chavez has no real power...oh wait, yes I am.
He's about as much of a threat to us as the mounties are.
He just likes to put on the "tough guy" act for all the other 3rd world countries around him, when he probably knows as well as we do that if he ever gave us a real reason to attack,his "alliance" would fare about as well as Alderan did fighting the Death Star.

Achilles
01-28-2008, 09:06 AM
I looked up that Chavez incident, apparently it was Guyana that he was messing with. He wants their oil and blew up some gold dredges.

Here's a NY Times article that was posted on a blog about it (the Times is a subscription site)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.caribbean/browse_thread/thread/23eacc29bb7dfbc2

Venezuela still claims about two-thirds of Guyana's
territory, in the gold- and timber-rich Essequibo region.