Wow: any servers capped at 60?

[superbo3]

hi i havnt played wow in ages and i recall back with BC came out they had some servers for people without BC, are they still around?

i mean any servers like they used to be in the good ol days without BC where you can only become 60?

(i live in europe)

[Heretic Machine]

Uh... not that I'm aware of. And I've never heard of such servers ever being spoken of before, so I doubt that they ever existed. I believe you were misinformed.

[cp#]

Oh, you aren't 70 yet?

[Netami]

This has been brought up before as a request to Blizzard. Some players want "classic" servers, before BC came out for those who enjoy the older content.

Blizzard has repeatedly said no.

[mightbe]

You can play on any server without having BC installed, you simply cannot access outlands or roll and belf/dranny.

There were rumblings in the community just after BC launched of players wanting "old skool" servers where xpac stuff wasn't live, but the blue posts informed them that this idea was a no go.

[Heretic Machine]

You can play on any server without having BC installed, you simply cannot access outlands or roll and belf/dranny.

There were rumblings in the community just after BC launched of players wanting "old skool" servers where xpac stuff wasn't live, but the blue posts informed them that this idea was a no go.

This does bring up one big problem with their design philosophies; every expansion will completely destroy all patched-in content. No one is going to be running those lvl 60 raids anymore, there is no point. Same goes for any raid they've added onto BC once the next expansion comes out. All of the resources they put into making that stuff was wasted. The armor models probably aren't going to be reused because of their nature, and no one is really going to be able to acquire them because of the logistics of organizing a lvl 60 raid party to go after it (having to go through the other tiers to get to it), so that was wasted resources too.

[Krispy]

Yes, that always confused me a bit. Why go through all of that trouble and then make the old instances irrelevant? I always thought a good idea would be to allow a "Heroic" mode to all the older instances to that they would scale for whatever the level cap was. Therefore if you wanted to run Molten Core with your level 70 guild you just set it on "Heroic" and then have it scale for you, maybe even drop scaled versions of the old armor. Seemed like a good idea to me.

[pwnophobia]

As stated.....blizzard has said no dice.

They are, however, revamping Naxx to be a lvl 80 instance in the next xpac.

[Wonda Mic]

This does bring up one big problem with their design philosophies; every expansion will completely destroy all patched-in content. No one is going to be running those lvl 60 raids anymore, there is no point. Same goes for any raid they've added onto BC once the next expansion comes out. All of the resources they put into making that stuff was wasted. The armor models probably aren't going to be reused because of their nature, and no one is really going to be able to acquire them because of the logistics of organizing a lvl 60 raid party to go after it (having to go through the other tiers to get to it), so that was wasted resources too.



I don't play WOW but this post makes lots of sense.

Expansion - the act or process of expanding <territorial expansion> <economic expansion> <expansion of the universe>


Expanding. Does that mean ditching what isn't new, forcing everyone to get the newest shit they shove out the door?

[pwnophobia]

Expanding. Does that mean ditching what isn't new, forcing everyone to get the newest shit they shove out the door?

Expansions generally mean to ditch everything and start all over again.

[mightbe]

This does bring up one big problem with their design philosophies; every expansion will completely destroy all patched-in content. No one is going to be running those lvl 60 raids anymore, there is no point. Same goes for any raid they've added onto BC once the next expansion comes out. All of the resources they put into making that stuff was wasted. The armor models probably aren't going to be reused because of their nature, and no one is really going to be able to acquire them because of the logistics of organizing a lvl 60 raid party to go after it (having to go through the other tiers to get to it), so that was wasted resources too.

Every tuesday night my guild runs Molten Core or BWL just to see the content.

[sparkfizt]

By virtue of expanding the game they are always going to end up invalidating some old content. Dont be surprised if in the future they add heroic style incentives to go do the old stuff. They've already added incentives to the old dungeon content, by making the rewards considerably better, and tightening the level ranges inside each instance.

It is impossible for the game to move forward and not leave stuff behind. Would you rather go run Scholo for the 30th time or do something new in outlands/northrend?

[Drayven]

Blizzard does typically reuse armor models from raids. Most of the tier sets from vanilla WoW are not out there with different colors in Outlands. They have already stated that Naxxramas will be updated to a level 80 raid in the next expansion. I think that going forward we'll find that many raids/dungeons will be getting heroic type settings. I think the problem with alot of the old world stuff like MC is that even if it was available no one would want to do it because of the bad design they were using at the time.

[The Continental]

This issue is older than the internet and still irrelevant. Mudflation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudflation) has been around since the days of text based MUDs and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. As for the creators feeling sorry that their hard worked content falls to disuse every time a new expansion comes out, well, I'm pretty they'll just wipe the tears with the stacks of money generated from the expansion sales.

[KingGorilla]

This does bring up one big problem with their design philosophies; every expansion will completely destroy all patched-in content. No one is going to be running those lvl 60 raids anymore, there is no point. Same goes for any raid they've added onto BC once the next expansion comes out. All of the resources they put into making that stuff was wasted. The armor models probably aren't going to be reused because of their nature, and no one is really going to be able to acquire them because of the logistics of organizing a lvl 60 raid party to go after it (having to go through the other tiers to get to it), so that was wasted resources too.

They need to make some major overhauls to a lot of the old end game content. Junk in Outlands is volumes better than the Epics one would have gotten from months of raiding at 60. Those major Dungeons like Scholomance, Dire Maul(the ones that need keys) have rare people playing them. At 58 you go through the portal, few return(Just Paladins and Warlocks). Not to mention that only blithering idiots but Battlegrounds gear. There is no point to getting in good with those clans. Except for buying the Frost Wolf, no one bothers with that gear any more. They got a good start on those dungeons, the Ogres leading up to Dire Maul are no longer Elite, foe example. But, they need to unlock the doors, and add some new quests. I guarantee that some Marks of Thrallmar would get folks in there. Or some dailies to run them heroic.

[Lima Beans]

My guild occasionally runs Naxx still and we are doing a BWL run next week. I also have had no trouble at all finding groups for any of the 55-60 instances on my alt.

Yeah when the next expansions come out the old stuff isnt as popular anymore, and isnt run as much. meh, so what. Its still there to be run for fun if you want, and people DO, and its much easier now because of new items and levels. But, if instead you want a more hardcore challenge, there is always the current stuff. Dont really see the problem.


No there is no 60 capped server, and never was. there most likely never will be. BUT everquest said there never would be either, then recently they started doing progression servers, so they changed their mind, its possible wow has something like that in the future.

[KingGorilla]

Are you PVE or PVP? Because on our server, PVP, the incentives to just look at the scenery of a dungeon do not outweigh getting more gear to kick some alliance ass(I think I had 6 kills yesterday).

[Lima Beans]

They need to make some major overhauls to a lot of the old end game content. Junk in Outlands is volumes better than the Epics one would have gotten from months of raiding at 60.

meh people said this, but I didnt replace almost any of my tier 3 until around kharazan, and neither did most people in my guild. And you kwow what, that tier2 and tier3 gear got us levelling up faster, annihilating the instances (normal and heroic) faster, and geared up faster than people entering outlands in greens and blues. Sure some classes or specs or slots replaced sooner than later.

So yeah, we ended up replacing the gear pretty fast once you hit 70, but hardly off junk drops (exceptions here and there), and it definitely did its job of giving us a leg up from 60-69.

WOTLK will probably be the same thing.. You raid for months and months now, for a temporary advantage to the first "good gear" instance. Seems reasonable to me.

[Lima Beans]

Are you PVE or PVP? Because on our server, PVP, the incentives to just look at the scenery of a dungeon do not outweigh getting more gear to kick some alliance ass(I think I had 6 kills yesterday).

PvP. Yeah if you want pvp gear, you do arenas for arena points, or battlegrounds for s1 not raids. No PvE raid outlands or old world is going to get you geared for arena.

[Librum]

Never have understood why people _want_ to go back to the old world, though perhaps they're all not as tired of the old world dungeons as I am. They didn't 'waste' the content - it's all you had to do from 2004 until early 2007 when they released the expansion. After running Scholo, or Strat, or MC, or ZG, or BWL, or AQ 20/40 for the thirtieth time, I was pretty much tired of them.

[sparkfizt]

meh people said this, but I didnt replace almost any of my tier 3 until around kharazan, and neither did most people in my guild. And you kwow what, that tier2 and tier3 gear got us levelling up faster, annihilating the instances (normal and heroic) faster, and geared up faster than people entering outlands in greens and blues. Sure some classes or specs or slots replaced sooner than later.

So yeah, we ended up replacing the gear pretty fast once you hit 70, but hardly off junk drops (exceptions here and there), and it definitely did its job of giving us a leg up from 60-69.

WOTLK will probably be the same thing.. You raid for months and months now, for a temporary advantage to the first "good gear" instance. Seems reasonable to me.

qft, I don'nt expect to replace much of my season 1/2 arena gear going from 70-80. The biggest thing with BC was that gear progression was seriously messed up. Raiding was the only avenue to get gear, and since I did'nt raid the best I could ever do was the blue pvp set and that in itself was still hell to get. So people like me got a quick leg up in the expansion to get closer to those with raiding gear, and now with heroics/arena/pvp rewards we can actually stay competitive.

WoTLK is supposed to end up with another gear reset, but if you're already decked in purples then dont expect to be replacing em with greens, that's for the people who are fresh 70's and at most wearing blues.

[PsychoticVile]

This does bring up one big problem with their design philosophies; every expansion will completely destroy all patched-in content. No one is going to be running those lvl 60 raids anymore, there is no point. Same goes for any raid they've added onto BC once the next expansion comes out. All of the resources they put into making that stuff was wasted. The armor models probably aren't going to be reused because of their nature, and no one is really going to be able to acquire them because of the logistics of organizing a lvl 60 raid party to go after it (having to go through the other tiers to get to it), so that was wasted resources too.

People said the samething about several exspansions during EQ1s reign and they were always wrong just as they are about the WOW stuff there are always new players coming in who need to work up and through just like everyone else so the old content still gets hit frequently it may not be as competitive as it once was but it still happens.

[Heretic Machine]

People said the samething about several exspansions during EQ1s reign and they were always wrong just as they are about the WOW stuff there are always new players coming in who need to work up and through just like everyone else so the old content still gets hit frequently it may not be as competitive as it once was but it still happens.

Dude, you aren't going to find a full raid of new players to fight through tiers 1, 2, and 3, ignoring Outlands. It just isn't going to happen, they would be gimping themselves horribly, and wasting a huge amount of time. Hell, no one plays that stuff now, this is not theory it is proven fact: People no longer run the old raids anymore on any consistent basis, no where near often enough for anyone to get a full set of any of the armors (which is the whole point).

[WastelandDan]

People said the samething about several exspansions during EQ1s reign and they were always wrong just as they are about the WOW stuff there are always new players coming in who need to work up and through just like everyone else so the old content still gets hit frequently it may not be as competitive as it once was but it still happens.

1. Run on sentences are not your friend.
2. You're wrong. Short of running these instances just to see the content there's absolutely no reason to do them anymore. You are simply not going to find people at level 60 willing to invest the time and energy in learning how to defeat bosses in BWL or AQ when ten minutes in the Outlands will net them better gear then the very best gear available before the patch. This isn't something that's open to interpretation either, it's just not happening. You can believe whatever you want but you're wrong. It's just that simple.

[Lima Beans]

, no where near often enough for anyone to get a full set of any of the armors (which is the whole point).

no, it really is NOT the point. thats the point when the instances are new. NOW the point is to get in there, get a few pieces of loot, complete a quest or two, and move on. and they serve that purpose just fine. No longer do you need to whipe for weeks to learn almost any of those encounters (pre-naxx), not even for new raiders.

There is nothing wrong with them being delegated to this status. If people still want to see the content and pick up a few pieces of loot as they work towards 70, they can get a PUG raid going on their realm forums (which i see all the time), or get their guild to run through it a couple of times for fun, which I know guilds who do (my rereoll guild for example).

No these instances are not going to be farmed for months. No you probably will not get your full set. But, as you said you dont need it anymore. But, they are still fun to do, and still get you upgrades you use for a bit if you are going from 60-70.

Those instances server their purpose for years, and now they serve a different, less important, purpose, and in the future some of them might even get content revamped and have new different life again (like naxx is doing).