DMC4 Demo Is Up

[Gorvi]

The DMC4 demo is up now on the Japanese PSN (completely in English) and on XBL (all regions I think), so go get it and post some impressions! I'm downloading it now, so I"ll try it as soon as I actually get a chance.

[Draft]

Not up for Silver Subscribers, by the by.

GET FUCKED, MICROSOFT.

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.

[archon]

Two modes of play that I noticed, played them both and both were pretty fun. The second mode has you face off against a giant demon from the FIRE HELL and that's pretty cool.

Draft wow man you don't know what you're missing, it is SO fun. You are being left out!

[Gorvi]

I'm surprised at how much I really enjoyed that. Very fun, and I love the grab move, it really helps extend combos. I may need to get this, but I think I'll actually finish DMC1 first.

[Housemixer]

Looks like DMC3 with updated graphics, same controls (even though it's a bit uncomfortable with the 360 controller compared to the PS2, especially with the lockon button on RB). The demo is a bit short, guess I'll have to check this out when it's released.

[Mdot23]

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.

Makes sense to me.

Oh wait, no it doesn't.

[Johan]

...it's a bit uncomfortable with the 360 controller compared to the PS2, especially with the lockon button on RB

Are the controls mappable? I like it when developers allow you to customize the control layout to suit particular preferences, myself.

(also, I haven't tried the demo. Just a question).

[Lutheran]

Grabbing it now

[Gorvi]

Are the controls mappable? I like it when developers allow you to customize the control layout to suit particular preferences, myself.

(also, I haven't tried the demo. Just a question).
Not in the demo, no. They could be in the full game, but I don't think they've done that in the past.

[YoungAlCapone]

I hate being stuck at work when games I have been looking foward to since they were announced release thier demos. I am glad to hear that it is good though.

[protocol_image]

I hate being stuck at work when games I have been looking foward to since they were announced release thier demos. I am glad to hear that it is good though.

life is hard, eh? ;)

[Grifter]

Graphically I'm not impressed but it seems fun as hell so I'll probably be picking this up ASAP

@Draft
Stop your fucking whining you sound like a snot nosed 4 year old throwing a tantrum because mommy wont let you have any candy. If you have that much of a problem with Microsoft why the hell do you have a 360?
Grab your self a PS3, I heard it even has a couple games on it now. ;)

[Deadend]

Sigh, I suck at DMC now. I couldn't beat the boss. As the hitbox for his sword swing is just silly. I was in the air, at the dudes FACE and he still hit me with a low swing. He also can knock off half a life bar in one move.

Still, It's DMC, now with AA and good textures.

[YoungAlCapone]

life is hard, eh? ;)

Super hard.

[beefyjr]

I've been downloading it for about two and a half hours, and I'm still at 16%. Nice.

[Rotting]

It's good to hear that this is fun to play! I can't wait to try it out now.

[Vandenh]

I seems a bit uber easy no?

I played the 10 minute mode and it is sleep-inducing easy. I expected NG style fights. Still looks great and plays well.... I will probably get it if it gets solid reviews.

[Kelegacy]

@Draft
Stop your fucking whining you sound like a snot nosed 4 year old throwing a tantrum because mommy wont let you have any candy. If you have that much of a problem with Microsoft why the hell do you have a 360?
Grab your self a PS3, I heard it even has a couple games on it now. ;)

You have to admit, PS3 owners can download the demo for free this very moment. Xbox 360 owners cannot, unless they are paying subscribers of Live.

Fail.

[silv]

I seems a bit uber easy no?

I played the 10 minute mode and it is sleep-inducing easy. I expected NG style fights. Still looks great and plays well.... I will probably get it if it gets solid reviews.

I think you will have to wait for NG2 for that.

[Norse]

You have to admit, PS3 owners can download the demo for free this very moment. Xbox 360 owners cannot, unless they are paying subscribers of Live.

Fail.

But if people have a problem with that they shouldn't own a X360.

[The Continental]

Are the controls mappable? I like it when developers allow you to customize the control layout to suit particular preferences, myself.It's kind of sad that with the state of console gaming technology, this is still the feature I want more than anything. Let me completely map my controls. It's absurdly frustrating to have to relearn every new shooter when each one has a different button layout for similar if not identical actions.

Come on console devs, play catch up a little faster.

[Phades]

But if people have a problem with that they shouldn't own a X360.

That there's some great logic! :rolleyes:

[Gorvi]

It's kind of sad that with the state of console gaming technology, this is still the feature I want more than anything. Let me completely map my controls. It's absurdly frustrating to have to relearn every new shooter when each one has a different button layout for similar if not identical actions.

Come on console devs, play catch up a little faster.
That, and the ability to save anywhere. Even if it erases when I load it back up to prevent exploiting the game, I just want to be able to stop whenever. You'd think those things would be commonplace in games these days.

[Kelegacy]

But if people have a problem with that they shouldn't own a X360.

It wasn't always like this. When most of us bought our 360s demos were still free for everyone, at the moment they were released. They changed that.

[Food Nipple]

Just to make things clear, the full version of the game does allow you to fully remap your controls, so the bad default config shouldn't be a problem.

I played a lot of the demo this morning; I'm a big DMC fan, and I'm very pleased with the demo. First of all, the game looks fantastic. The game looks stunning, and it runs at a flawless 60 frames per second.

The first portion of the demo has a 10 minute timer, and you'll be hard pressed to get to the end in that time limit. It's one of the first missions in the game and the difficulty is set to the easier of the two default ones, so dying isn't much of a concern. The game still wears its arcade influences on its sleeve, which I know is a turnoff for some people, but I have no issue with the artificial barriers.

The second half of the demo begins with a fight against a couple Frosts, which are slightly harder than the previous enemies, but on the demo's difficulty they're nowhere near as hard as they were in DMC1. Finally, you get to get a taste of one of the game's massive bosses. The boss fight looks spectacular, and even on easy it will probably take a couple of tries to beat him.

If I had to levy one criticism at the demo, it's that the game doesn't do enough to explain the controls and combo system. It's quite possible that most people playing the game will go though the demo without appreciating the depth to your arsenal. Also, I played the 360 version, and the lock-on button is mapped to RB instead of RT, which is a minor annoyance. In the full game I plan on swapping the mapping of the bumpers and the triggers.

Overall, I'd say the demo seems like a good representation of the final game.

[MelbaToast]

I can't wait to get home and download this, I'm a huge fan of the DMC series.

[Sandman]

I just didn't like that demo.....I've never really got the DMC series. Guess I'll be buying Lost Odyssey.

[Baron Samedi]

Do you have access to any of the later powers, or is it like all DMC games, where the first third of the game is entirely button mashing?

[dbh1973]

That, and the ability to save anywhere. Even if it erases when I load it back up to prevent exploiting the game, I just want to be able to stop whenever. You'd think those things would be commonplace in games these days.
To Westerners, yes. We have been weaned on games that allow us to save anywhere, especially PC games. However, the Japanese feel that the ability to save anywhere ruins the challenge of a game. Which is why nearly all Japanese games utilize save points.

Can't wait for this to be on the American PSN.

[jromero]

I just didn't like that demo.....I've never really got the DMC series. Guess I'll be buying Lost Odyssey.

Feb. 5th is going to rape my wallet. I plan on getting DMC4, LO, AND Turok (barring really shitty reviews).

Dammit. Christmas in February. That's different.

[Kryopsis]

The game seems quite fun. The Executioner level was quite entertaining with its barren frozen plains and the towering gothic architecture. I've only ever played DMC3 for 20 minutes so I can't compare this instalment with the others but the controls is the only apparent shortcoming of the demo:
- Right Bumper for lock-on doesn't make sense because Right Trigger seems to be unused.
- A for jumping and Y for sword attack takes a lot of time getting used to, considering most action games on the platform use A to attack and Y to jump. I understand evasion is crucial in DMC but it is confusing nonetheless.
Otherwise the game seems solid. The graphics are what is to be expected from a 360/PS3 release, the voice acting is surprisingly decent for a Japanese game and other than some minor camera problems and the controls mentioned earlier, the game is fine. I expect reviews in the mid 80's.

P.S. Demon mucus heals you??

[Food Nipple]

Since the game doesn't do a very thorough job of outlining the controls, I'm including a couple of quick observations here:

While locked on to an enemy, pressing towards and Y will do a dash attack that also has knockdown potential.

While locked on to an enemy, pressing away and Y will do a upwards slash that launches enemies into the air. If you only tap Y, then you will remain on the ground, allowing you to juggle the enemy with your guns. If you hold the Y button, you'll jump up after the enemy, allowing you to juggle them with your sword in mid-air. While in the air, pressing towards and Y will do a downward slash that slams them into the ground.

Pressing the B button when you aren't locked on to an enemy will do a throw attack, it even works on the boss.

Pressing taunt while sprinting makes Nero do a dropkick.

You've got two basic combo strings with your sword, your timing determines which one you execute. If you're just button mashing, you'll only get the four hit combo or Y, Y, Y, Y. It's possible to slightly delay the last strike making it a more powerful hit (Y, Y, Y, (pause), Y). The advanced 7 hit combo is Y, Y, (pause), Y, Y, Y. At any time in your combo, you can substitute your juggle or your dash attack to create your own custom combos. Try executing a launching attack in place of the final slash in a combo to attain longer combo chains.

The real complexity comes in when you start adding in the Exceed moves using the left trigger. You can tap the trigger several times in a row to rev up your sword and then unleash move devastating hits, but it takes a long time to rev up, which is where Just-rev comes in:

Instant-rev (aka Just-Rev) Allows you to instantly load up rev-bar (there are 3 bars in the demo). Each bar constitutes one slash, or one special move.

While revved up, RB + Forward + Y goes from a simple lunge to a fire-based, 360 attack that you can actually charge up. Ditto for RB + Back + Y

Just-Rev, works in that you can stream into things:

for example, slash once, tap LT during the middle of the slash animation, and then lead straight into a suped up streak or high roller. (those RB+forward+Y esque based moves)

You can also just-rev during the 3 hit air combo.

advanced set up combo

Y = one sword slash

Y, (just-rev), RB+Back+Y, (you should now be airborne) , Y, (just-rev), RB+Forward+Y

Yes, even the regular helm breaker (air chop down attack) can be revved up to another move. Nero says "hell yeah" when he does it.

[Gorvi]

Can't wait for this to be on the American PSN.
Just grab it from the Japanese PSN, it's completely in English.

[Epix]

I'm looking forward to trying this out. I'll start the download at lunch so hopefully it's done by the time works over.

[Baron Samedi]

Since the game doesn't do a very thorough job of outlining the controls, I'm including a couple of quick observations here:

While locked on to an enemy, pressing towards and Y will do a dash attack that also has knockdown potential.

While locked on to an enemy, pressing away and Y will do a upwards slash that launches enemies into the air. If you only tap Y, then you will remain on the ground, allowing you to juggle the enemy with your guns. If you hold the Y button, you'll jump up after the enemy, allowing you to juggle them with your sword in mid-air. While in the air, pressing towards and Y will do a downward slash that slams them into the ground.

Pressing the B button when you aren't locked on to an enemy will do a throw attack, it even works on the boss.

Pressing taunt while sprinting makes Nero do a dropkick.

You've got two basic combo strings with your sword, your timing determines which one you execute. If you're just button mashing, you'll only get the four hit combo or Y, Y, Y, Y. It's possible to slightly delay the last strike making it a more powerful hit (Y, Y, Y, (pause), Y). The advanced 7 hit combo is Y, Y, (pause), Y, Y, Y. At any time in your combo, you can substitute your juggle or your dash attack to create your own custom combos. Try executing a launching attack in place of the final slash in a combo to attain longer combo chains.

The real complexity comes in when you start adding in the Exceed moves using the left trigger. You can tap the trigger several times in a row to rev up your sword and then unleash move devastating hits, but it takes a long time to rev up, which is where Just-rev comes in:

So I take it the demo has you starting out as wimpy Nero with no upgrades :( Damn, I always hated the beginning of DMC.

[Kryopsis]

Well, you've got that devil arm thing that allows you to grapple enemies from a distance and pull them right next to you. It also allows you to grapple on the boss' head and avoid some of the more devastating attacks.

[Codicier]

Good tips and impressions Food, I'll be grabbing it from the PSN when it goes up but other than the button layout being different on the PS3 that was a good refresher/information on the new stuff in 4.

I'm not a huge fan of the series (though I do enjoy it) but I played 1 and 3 (couldn't stand 2, maybe I'll go back someday) and learned the combos well enough that what you described was familiar (i.e. the delays in the combos etc..)

[J3DI]

We really need some remote desktop stuff for the 360. That would be so cool; download a demo while at work to your 360, so when you got home it'll be all cooked up and ready to consume.

[Kuya Cocoy]

Um.

Are styles still in this game? Are they swappable on-the-fly by now? How about weapons/guns?

Whenever I play a demo, i just think up of things to add to a game.. that they don't, on release. :) Maybe bugs, but DMC has always been.. "solid" right? How about best 2 out of 3?

[Food Nipple]

Um.

Are styles still in this game? Are they swappable on-the-fly by now? How about weapons/guns?

Whenever I play a demo, i just think up of things to add to a game.. that they don't, on release. :) Maybe bugs, but DMC has always been.. "solid" right? How about best 2 out of 3?

The new character, Nero, doesn't have different styles. His gameplay revolves more around the Exceed moves and the grapple stuff with the Devil Arm.

Dante is controllable in the other half of the game, and he's still got on-the-fly weapon swap, as well as on-the-fly style swap too. I think it's mapped to the d-pad, so you can swap between Gunslinger, Swordmaster, Trickster and Royal Guard.

Nero is the only one controllable in the demo though.

[GabeCube]

Anyone can confirm any differences in graphics, controls or framerate between the two versions?

I am still deciding which one to get, and not only will I be stuck at work for some 6 hours still, but I believe it will take forever to download both.

[51|RandoM]

You have to admit, PS3 owners can download the demo for free this very moment. Xbox 360 owners cannot, unless they are paying subscribers of Live.

Fail.

Not only that, we're getting blistering download speed off of the PSN servers in Japan for this demo.

Not only that, if you are stuck at work when you hear this and have your psp with you you could remote connect to your ps3 and start the download that way so it would be ready when you got home.

Win.Win.Win. Hehehehe. :)

[drakkarim]

Not up for Silver Subscribers, by the by.

GET FUCKED, MICROSOFT.

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.

i second that motion.

i'll get the ps3 demo and pc demo and see which i like more.

[Lutheran]

Nice looking demo but really DMC isn't my type of game these days. Still I had some fun with it.

[Ix Quantum xI]

I wan't really interested in this game before but I really enjoyed the demo and may have to get it. I have a dual shock 3 and it is easily the best ps3 game that supports rumble so far. The controls definitly seemed mapped out for the ps3 controller as well especially if lock on is tied to a bumper button on the 360. Just my 2 cents.

[Mal.Reynolds]

If i had a PS3 i'd go with that version, just because this is the first DMC on another console and i'd trust that over the 360 but i dont so its a 360 pick up as well at either Turok or Lost Odyssey

[Deadend]

People have 360s... without XBL? guh?

All I see is bitchwhinebitchwhileDIEMSwhinebitch.

I am going to practise my just-throttleing, and live with the bumper, which isnt that hard to hit at all. In fact, it's easy. But the triggers are still better.

[D_Reaper]

Oh and also like in DMC3 you can change what combos you do by slightly pausing during melee attacks, so like YYY=combo 1 Y, wait YYY=combo 2 and Y wait Y wait YYY=combo 3
youll notice cause of how his hand slightly moves as if hes going to do a different attack.

also it does mention the launching the enemy into the air, if you use the bumpers while paused you can scroll through all the tips or whatever.

[oldjadedgamer]

Just an FYI that the DMC4 does not support 1080i in the demo (may change for the full game) so if you're a PS3 user with a 480p/1080i TV, you'll be stuck in 480p only.

[DarkDaY]

Not up for Silver Subscribers, by the by.

GET FUCKED, MICROSOFT.

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.
lol.......lol?

[Deadend]

Yep... it's DMC, for better or worse. Which is better. As Heavenly Sword just... isn't DMC.

[Shrinn]

As a lover of DMC1 and 3. I loved the demo.

Update: I just double jumped off of an incoming frost's ice-inferno. Game just got twenty more badass points in my book.

[Siraris]

I don't love it. The graphics are ok, but the levels are extremely barren and boring.

The camera is a bit frustrating, and it would be nice if you could look around more.

Pacing is very slow. I feel like I'm spending the entire game walking. There is no sense of intensity or speed, even in the boss battle. The fact that it takes 5 seconds to start running is totally lame and is really apparent to me. I also had numerous times where Nero started to move, stopped and stood still, and started moving again while i was pushing forward the whole time.

The controls ruin it for me. The RB lockon is jarring to the experience, and VERY annoying that you can't easily switch between lockons. You stay locked on to one enemy, even if you tap RB or move the camera. If you can't map the controls in the final game I'm definitely making a pass.

I'll wait for final judgement to try the PS3 demo, which is hopefully better to control (which will save a bit of it for me).

Total disappointment. I'll maybe pick it up someday when it's $20.

[51|RandoM]

Graphics are ok. I played the top mission, the one with the timer and I never even got attacked. Weird.

[Mal.Reynolds]

Im picking it up, just finished both parts and im in love :P

[Mal.Reynolds]

Graphics are ok. I played the top mission, the one with the timer and I never even got attacked. Weird.



I get lost in these games alot and cant figure where to go so, i bearly got attacked

[51|RandoM]

I get lost in these games alot and cant figure where to go so, i bearly got attacked

There is a mini-map and the exits are highlighted. Long as you don't go out the in door you are most likely on the right path. :p

[oldjadedgamer]

I don't love it. The graphics are ok, but the levels are extremely barren and boring.

The camera is a bit frustrating, and it would be nice if you could look around more.

Pacing is very slow. I feel like I'm spending the entire game walking. There is no sense of intensity or speed, even in the boss battle. The fact that it takes 5 seconds to start running is totally lame and is really apparent to me. I also had numerous times where Nero started to move, stopped and stood still, and started moving again while i was pushing forward the whole time.

The controls ruin it for me. The RB lockon is jarring to the experience, and VERY annoying that you can't easily switch between lockons. You stay locked on to one enemy, even if you tap RB or move the camera. If you can't map the controls in the final game I'm definitely making a pass.

I'll wait for final judgement to try the PS3 demo, which is hopefully better to control (which will save a bit of it for me).

Total disappointment. I'll maybe pick it up someday when it's $20.

This hit all my bullet points for me except for trying the PS3 demo for the control. I don't think it's going to change the overall experience for me. Having never played a previous DMC game, I'm really trying to understand what all the hoopla was about.

[Grimmjow]

Can't wait to play, I wish they released a newer build of the game instead of this one that has been out for a LOOOONG time.

edit: mind boggling what people want to buy this game for.

[UnderHero5]

I thought it was good. On par with 1 and 3, it seems.
I also thought it looked fantastic, and kept a nice framerate. I'm not really a big fan of these types of games, though, so I'll be passing for now. I'll eventually own it, so my fiance can play through it, though.

[Yeti2005]

You have to admit, PS3 owners can download the demo for free this very moment. Xbox 360 owners cannot, unless they are paying subscribers of Live.

Fail.

It's not fail for the Gold members who are getting better download speeds because the Silvers aren't getting it at the same time. The PS3 user base isn't even close so they don't have to worry about these issues yet.

[Gnomesbane]

Just played the 360 demo. It looks amazing and plays just like other DMC games. Sadly, these games have never been my cup of tea. Damn if it doesn't look amazingly good though. I really makes me anxious for RE5.

[Adam Blue]

It's not fail for the Gold members who are getting better download speeds because the Silvers aren't getting it at the same time. The PS3 user base isn't even close so they don't have to worry about these issues yet.

Interesting point. Could this be Microsofts way of traffic control since there are so many users? In that case, is the cost keeping servers stable with each new member?

[oldjadedgamer]

Interesting point. Could this be Microsofts way of traffic control since there are so many users? In that case, is the cost keeping servers stable with each new member?

I think so, the Bioshock demo was a nightmare when it went up. Took me over an hour to get it and a couple of restarts.

DMC4 was ready in 10 minutes.

[menage]

Tried it, loved it, Berial looked awesome.

I'm sold. Hope it's easy mode though. This was a piece of cake.

[Kelegacy]

It's not fail for the Gold members who are getting better download speeds because the Silvers aren't getting it at the same time. The PS3 user base isn't even close so they don't have to worry about these issues yet.

The funny thing is I'm probably getting similar download speeds on DMC4 as Gold members, and I can't even download it.

My Gold ran out in December, thankfully around the time of all these issues. So I've been there. I still think Silver members should be able to download demos at the same time as Gold. I mean, doesn't it help out your bottom line if everyone gets to play your game? Hell, when I see that "can't download now" symbol, I forget about the demo entirely, or download it weeks later. That can't help the cause much.

It's not a major inconvenience, but I can understand why it bothers people.

[Mortis]

Tried it, loved it, Berial looked awesome.

I'm sold. Hope it's easy mode though. This was a piece of cake.

I haven't played it yet but I am sure it is. I don't think they would want to turn off the casual crowd by putting it on wtfpwnd difficulty, would be nice if there was an option in the demo though.

[Shadowstorm]

Not up for Silver Subscribers, by the by.

GET FUCKED, MICROSOFT.

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.

How about you subscribe instead?

And FYI: your last comment doesn't make any sense at all.

[beefyjr]

I was pleasantly surprised at how awesome this demo was.

[Tel Prydain]

Not up for Silver Subscribers, by the by.

GET FUCKED, MICROSOFT.

The sooner your stockholders pull your miserable, failing ass out of the console race, the better.

1st: Welcome to my ignore list.

2nd: If you want it now, create a fake account (it'll have gold free for 1 month) and grab it with that.

http://ryan.tliquest.net/misc-pictures/misc_funny/you_suck.jpeg

[Grimmjow]

haha I love the hate in this thread. Just played it on 360 (at work) and I think its awesome in every way possible. Controls felt weird along with the targeting button,I won't be buying it on 360, tonight I will play it on PS3 and see how it feels.

Also, why should he subscribe to a service when its fucking up and to deal with douches?

edit: Also again, how give sumone an answer then ignore them lol.

[Draft]

Someone from another forum hooked me with a 1 month Gold code :thumbsup

Demo downloaded, and MS doesn't have a penny of ill-gotten loot from me :thumbsup

Game is stupid good but having lock on on the right bumper instead of the right trigger is :thumbsdown

Retail release will have fully customizable keys :thumbsup

btw I still got it, quoted like a dozen times in this thread. Bow down to your old school Evil Avatar master.

[MelbaToast]

I loved the demo. The button layout is ridiculous, but if you can customize it in the full version I'll definitely be picking this up.

[Draft]

Button configuration is confirmed. I'm at a loss as to why they would put the rev on the left trigger, leave the right trigger unused, and then use the bumper instead. It doesn't make any sense.

What is the timing of reving the sword? I was trying to work it into combos but I just couldn't make it happen.

The arm mechanic is very fun. I like pulling myself towards enemies out of the air.

[Deadend]

Sigh, if I was a bit better at the game, I could probably beat the final boss in the 10 minute time limit. Just gotta work on my knowing when to unlock and timing on the right trigger.

[Kelegacy]

Someone from another forum hooked me with a 1 month Gold code :thumbsup

Demo downloaded, and MS doesn't have a penny of ill-gotten loot from me :thumbsup

Game is stupid good but having lock on on the right bumper instead of the right trigger is :thumbsdown

Retail release will have fully customizable keys :thumbsup

btw I still got it, quoted like a dozen times in this thread. Bow down to your old school Evil Avatar master.

We can't hear you, you are yellow and not orange. Please subscribe to Evil Avatar or you will need to wait a week to post in any new thread.

[Draft]

We can't hear you, you are yellow and not orange. Please subscribe to Evil Avatar or you will need to wait a week to post in any new thread.These kids don't know. They don't know what it means to be a Feb 05er. They think that was when the website started. Ridiculous.

[Disgustipated]

These kids don't know. They don't know what it means to be a Feb 05er. They think that was when the website started. Ridiculous.

*Throws up a gang sign* '06 dawg!!

[oldjadedgamer]

These kids don't know. They don't know what it means to be a Feb 05er. They think that was when the website started. Ridiculous.

So if you are an 05'er your subscription color is yellow?

[Disgustipated]

So if you are an 05'er your subscription color is yellow?

Subscription color has what to do with credibility?

I forgot, we're in a caste system here. :rolleyes:

[Draft]

So if you are an 05'er your subscription color is yellow?I was one of the first subscribers. Tossed like $5, stayed red for over a damn year because there was no system in place to remove the status lol.

[jacob.armitage]

mine has been downloading for about 3 1/2 hours and is around 55% done.

*le sigh.

usually 360 demos download very quickly for me.

[karak]

It's not fail for the Gold members who are getting better download speeds because the Silvers aren't getting it at the same time. The PS3 user base isn't even close so they don't have to worry about these issues yet.
Not only that but holy FUCK FAST download. Man. I don't know if it's because Silver's arn't downloading but wow.

[Tel Prydain]

Not only that but holy FUCK FAST download. Man. I don't know if it's because Silver's arn't downloading but wow.

It's actually a double win plan for Microsoft. By giving gold members first go at demos they both add a 'plus' for gold users and lighten the server load for highly anticipated demos.
Silver members might not like it, but if Draft missing out is the price of me getting the demo faster, so be it. <- This is a joke. :D

[Gorvi]

mine has been downloading for about 3 1/2 hours and is around 55% done.

*le sigh.

usually 360 demos download very quickly for me.
Not only that but holy FUCK FAST download. Man. I don't know if it's because Silver's arn't downloading but wow.
I can't be the only one that thinks that these two posts being one after the other is pretty funny. :p

[pseudopseudo]

Only Japanese PSN is carrying this? Shit. (Of course, I'll double-check my PSN, but fuck... I REALLY wanted to play this on my PS3.) Anyone have a clue as to when it'll be out in the States?

I'm going to hold out until then, I think. For some reason, I just don't want to play it on the 360. I have enough to play on that crazy machine for now. :D

[Gorvi]

Only Japanese PSN is carrying this? Shit. (Of course, I'll double-check my PSN, but fuck... I REALLY wanted to play this on my PS3.) Anyone have a clue as to when it'll be out in the States?

I'm going to hold out until then, I think. For some reason, I just don't want to play it on the 360. I have enough to play on that crazy machine for now. :D
It went up on in the US late yesterday afternoon. Check the news! (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43291) ;)

[Trickyicky]

It plays pretty similar to the other ones, with a few new twists. And the graphics are nice and slick in HD.

In other words, it's fucking awesome. DMC is one of my favourite franchises. I can't wait for this.

[pseudopseudo]

It went up on in the US late yesterday afternoon. Check the news! (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43291) ;)

Shit, I've been behind. Thanks for the awesome news! Even though it's almost 3:00am here, I might have to boot up just to download this before I go to bed.

(And by "download this", I mean "download this, install it, and sit down and play well past any responsible ending time".)

[Wyrm]

I like the new additions to the combat. The gauntlet is a nice touch, as is the charge gauge. I think I found another one I'll have to pick up. Damn it..

[VictorVonViolence]

Wow, this has come along way since that grainy, out of focus trailer with that damn opera singing.

[Codicier]

Tried it on the PS3. Lots of fun, so I'll probably get it for that.

[Vandenh]

Anyone can confirm any differences in graphics, controls or framerate between the two versions?

I am still deciding which one to get, and not only will I be stuck at work for some 6 hours still, but I believe it will take forever to download both.


This thread compares: http://www.ps3forums.com/showpost.php?p=2417847&postcount=107

Seems like 360 has AA and PS3 has not. Everything else looks equal.

[Yeti2005]

I played the demo and it was pretty good (but not great IMO). What does the reving up do for you? Does it just deal out more damage?

[AspectVoid]

I got it downloaded and played last night. You know, I was seriously considering skipping DMC4. I did not like the fact that they were bringing a new character as the lead. I gotta say though, after playing the demo, the game is now on my buy list. Even with the new character, it just felt like DMC, which to me is a good thing.

[Mortis]

Played it this morning, sold.

[Kryopsis]

It's a moronic question, but in a comparison between the Devil May Cry series and the recent Ninja Gaiden games, what are the advantages of each?
Other than the characters/setting, I fail to see the differences. Would anyone enlighten me?

[Disgustipated]

It's a moronic question, but in a comparison between the Devil May Cry series and the recent Ninja Gaiden games, what are the advantages of each?
Other than the characters/setting, I fail to see the differences. Would anyone enlighten me?

They feel completely different. DMC is a bit clunkier at times, while Ninja Gaiden is really smooth. Too smooth, the enemies will beat your ass at the drop of a hat.

[Draft]

It's a moronic question, but in a comparison between the Devil May Cry series and the recent Ninja Gaiden games, what are the advantages of each?
Other than the characters/setting, I fail to see the differences. Would anyone enlighten me?Ninja Gaiden is more melee focused. Ninja Gaiden enemies are very, very aggressive and will hunt you down without mercy. Ninja Gaiden uses straight canned combos with no cancelling.

DMC is very melee focused, but the ranged weapons are at least viable alternatives. DMC enemies are still tough but do kind of mill around waiting to get hit with combos. DMC has a free form combo system that lets you cancel to your hearts content and rack up massive combos.

They are both the best action game ever made. Some people prefer NG and its hyper aggressive enemies. Some people prefer DMC and its deep combo system.

Edit: FWIW I prefer NG.

[bapenguin]

Gotta say it was much better than what I played back at E3. Still not sure if I'm sold on it, but if I'm looking for something to play in a few weeks I"ll pick it up.

[Inspector Fowler]

I've never played a DMC game before. The demo hasn't sold me, but it does give me some insight into why they're so popular. It seems like it has really fun action and pacing with some very pretty eye candy. It felt polished and fun.

It's just not my kind of game. If I were more into it, I'd definitely be sold.

My only real negative with the demo was the shit-tastic camera angles. It's the same shit since Resident Evil- run around a corner pushing one direction, camera changes, suddenly you're running back towards the door or at least in a different direction. Sigh.

But that was really the biggest negative. It looked great and had some smooth, fluid gameplay. The demo isn't long enough for me to get tired of his repetitive comments but I'm sure the full game would have me doing some voice-over work of my own.

[pseudopseudo]

My only real negative with the demo was the shit-tastic camera angles. It's the same shit since Resident Evil- run around a corner pushing one direction, camera changes, suddenly you're running back towards the door or at least in a different direction. Sigh.

I'll agree with that. The only other thing *I* didn't like was that... not playing DMC before, I didn't know to press the action button in front of a closed door to go through. I swear I was wandering around pissed for about 5 minutes before I figured that out.

[Deadend]

This thread compares: http://www.ps3forums.com/showpost.php?p=2417847&postcount=107

Seems like 360 has AA and PS3 has not. Everything else looks equal.

Since I don't feel like reading the thread there... why do the PS3 shots have crappier textures, worse bump mapping and lack AA?

If those SSs are real comparisons, the 360 will be the system to own it on. Even with possibly an extra second of loading between rooms.

[Grimmjow]

With all the fast pace action, people will probably not even notice the difference...starting to get extremely bored with these SS comparison threads this generation.

[Adam Blue]

The 3rd bored me to death, and this seems to do the same. I'd buy it for $20, but that's about it.

[Vanthar]

Since I don't feel like reading the thread there... why do the PS3 shots have crappier textures, worse bump mapping and lack AA?

If those SSs are real comparisons, the 360 will be the system to own it on. Even with possibly an extra second of loading between rooms.

Lol are you serious? There's not that much difference between the shots.

[Cavalier]

There's this (http://sr-388.net/images/gaming/ps3/dmc4/DMC4.gif) screen doing the rounds.

Anyone else feel old and completely past it when they watch this.

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[Baron Samedi]

The 3rd bored me to death, and this seems to do the same. I'd buy it for $20, but that's about it.

Yeah. The beginning of DMC is so....basic. Even towards the end, unless you're a combo whore, the game just....doesn't have the GoW feel to it.

[Deadend]

Lol are you serious? There's not that much difference between the shots.

Blow the SS's up. The textures on Virgil, the boss, the ground, the walls, everything is a bit blurrier, but everything also suffers from NO AA. That is why I am asking how they took the pictures because the PS3 version looks worse. I also think they could make the 360 version look better, as DMC is light on system RAM and could go heavier on the Video RAM.

[Food Nipple]

There's this (http://sr-388.net/images/gaming/ps3/dmc4/DMC4.gif) screen doing the rounds.

Anyone else feel old and completely past it when they watch this.


That's done by one of the top DMC3 players, some of the combos he does are jaw-dropping, especially the one around 4:50 and the one on the last frost before the boss.

Here's the high res 60fps version. (http://www.stage6.com/user/breatoal/video/2132979/Devil-May-Cry-4-DEMO-play)

[Draft]

Yeah. The beginning of DMC is so....basic. Even towards the end, unless you're a combo whore, the game just....doesn't have the GoW feel to it.There's more depth in the first fight of the DMC4 demo than in the entire GoW series.

[silv]

That's done by one of the top DMC3 players, some of the combos he does are jaw-dropping, especially the one around 4:50 and the one on the last frost before the boss.

Here's the high res 60fps version. (http://www.stage6.com/user/breatoal/video/2132979/Devil-May-Cry-4-DEMO-play)

I had to laugh at the 'top DMC3 players' comment.

Anyway, the differences between 360 and PS3 is quite significant. It's not just AA, it's a total lack of sharpness on the PS3. It's clear that they are using lower resolution textures.

[Tel Prydain]

Now I've played the demo, I just don't get DMC. It seems totally on rails, and aggressively tedious as you run from one mob to the next, executing the same combos over and over.
I’ll think about picking it up when it drops to half-price.

[Baron Samedi]

There's more depth in the first fight of the DMC4 demo than in the entire GoW series.

How so? Did you beat GoW2 on Titan?

Now I've played the demo, I just don't get DMC. It seems totally on rails, and aggressively tedious as you run from one mob to the next, executing the same combos over and over.

That's my experience with the series. Owned the first, and liked some of the boss battles, but didn't see much depth to it beyond long combos.

[Food Nipple]

Anyway, the differences between 360 and PS3 is quite significant. It's not just AA, it's a total lack of sharpness on the PS3. It's clear that they are using lower resolution textures.

The comparison shots are so close to identical that you're really splitting hairs. Half the shots make the 360 version look better, and the other half make the PS3 version look better. DMC4 is the most consistent multiplatform title I've seen, you can't go wrong with either version.

There's more depth in the first fight of the DMC4 demo than in the entire GoW series.How so? Did you beat GoW2 on Titan?

The depth in combat between the two isn't up for debate when the creator of God of War agrees that DMC has better combat (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21791).

[Baron Samedi]

That's done by one of the top DMC3 players, some of the combos he does are jaw-dropping, especially the one around 4:50 and the one on the last frost before the boss.

Here's the high res 60fps version. (http://www.stage6.com/user/breatoal/video/2132979/Devil-May-Cry-4-DEMO-play)

Great vid. How much time do you think he put into it? Awesome boss. Still don't care for how many times you have to hit an enemy to kill them.

The depth in combat between the two isn't up for debate when the creator of God of War agrees that DMC has better combat.

He was referring to the first, not the second.

Where does NG stand for you, Nipple?

[Food Nipple]

Where does NG stand for you, Nipple?

Ninja Gaiden makes a great first impression, and I'd say that in a first playthrough NG has a lot more to offer, you've got a larger movelist and there's a greater variety in enemies and bosses. The problem is that it plateaus after that first time through. The harder difficulties only make enemies hit harder, and you've probably memorized all the combo strings. The karma system only rewards whoring your Ultimate Techniques, so if you're shooting for "high scores" the combat isn't as interesting.

DMC only really starts to shine on successive playthroughs: your movelist may be shorter but all your abilities interact with each other in interesting ways, plus enemies and bosses tend to have extra attacks that they only do on harder difficulties. DMC also tends to have a lot more secrets, there's usually about a dozen secret missions, and lots of little nooks and crannies with extra orbs in them, the demo alone probably has a dozen secret caches of red orbs.

They're both fantastic games, and the high level stuff in DMC only appeals to a small portion of the audience, but it's great to see the developers really embracing that part of the community. A lot of the tweaks to DMC4 seem to aimed for the high level play. Ninja Gaiden seems to be heading in a different direction, as Itagaki doesn't seem interested in adding in the things that made DMC3 a hit with its community.

[Deadend]

DMC3 was cool in that you could combo damn near EVERYTHING together. And dash cancel out of everything else, the combat was so free-form in making your own moves.

Just wait until people start showing their Dante combos, now with style switching. It will be stupid sick.

[silv]

The comparison shots are so close to identical that you're really splitting hairs. Half the shots make the 360 version look better, and the other half make the PS3 version look better. DMC4 is the most consistent multiplatform title I've seen, you can't go wrong with either version.



The depth in combat between the two isn't up for debate when the creator of God of War agrees that DMC has better combat (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21791).

I think it is pretty clear the 360 looks better in every shot. It's not just in 'some' cases the textures look sharper, they do in all cases.

[Tel Prydain]

I think it is pretty clear the 360 looks better in every shot. It's not just in 'some' cases the textures look sharper, they do in all cases.
That's true... but when it's in motion I doubt you’d notice a difference.

[Jack B]

To those Silver Live members who are pissed at waiting a week I'd agree PSN would be better for this particular case, because you wouldn't have to wait an extra week. If you're a Gold subscriber then it's a push.

However, Live has more overall content than PSN does, so often the Silver Live member comes out ahead, but of course not always. This DMC demo situation is an example of when PSN would work better for a non-paying Gold paying DMC fan. In many cases the demo comes out earlier on Live or doesn't come out at all on PSN. In this case DMC is Japanese PSN only, so that's not a big bonus for NA/European PSN users. Throw in Movie rentals, overall quantity of demos and content and the 360 Silver member, who doesn't want to play online (ie many Silver members) comes out ahead.

It's not cut and dried. Sometimes Live Gold or Silver wins. Sometimes PSN wins. It's specific situation and interest level dependent.

Neither Live or PSN is better for everyone. Some people yes. Everyone? No. Live Gold is best for me, but for some Silver or PSN is a better deal. It just depends.

[Jack B]

With all the fast pace action, people will probably not even notice the difference...starting to get extremely bored with these SS comparison threads this generation.

I'd agree. If I have to be shown the difference side by side it's probably not that big a deal. Frame rate slow down could be an issue for a frame based fighting game, but I'm guessing for most of the stuff I play I'd never noticed unless we had Gametrailers or similar posting side by side's.

I'm pretty bad at these type of games and have yet to get hooked. I'll check it out, because DMC is pretty popular and I should see what the excitement is all about. I like the Too Human backstory/setting better, but it sounds like Too Human could be weak compared to a DMC or Ninja Gaiden. We'll see, but I probably won't get into any of these, so likely it won't matter to me.

I'll should check it out later today though. Hope the demo has local two player.

[Food Nipple]

I think it is pretty clear the 360 looks better in every shot. It's not just in 'some' cases the textures look sharper, they do in all cases.
This is hardly worth quibbling over, at this point it's more about fanboy wars than informed purchases, but these are the shots I was mentioning.

Here's one from CVG:
http://tinyurl.com/35x2va

The ice effects on the 360 version are missing a shader
http://tinyurl.com/2vvofc
http://tinyurl.com/yp5ntx

[Jack B]

OK, just downloaded the demo. I started at exactly 1:10pm PST. It just give me the bloop noise and finished at 1:21pm PST. That's 11 minutes for 612mb.

Hmmm, that would be about 3gb's and hour. Maybe having Gold only download for a week isn't so bad! :D

I continue to be blown away by how fast Live downloads. I typically can start watching HD movies in about 20-50 minutes.

It's so strange to see people have such drastically different experiences with Live. I have the 8mbs Comcast service. Nothing special, but Live is often blazingly fast.

Anyway, time to check out DMC 4. :)

[Cavalier]

In this case DMC is Japanese PSN only

Nope, it's in the US store, that's where I downloaded it from this evening.

[Baron Samedi]

Ninja Gaiden makes a great first impression, and I'd say that in a first playthrough NG has a lot more to offer, you've got a larger movelist and there's a greater variety in enemies and bosses. The problem is that it plateaus after that first time through. The harder difficulties only make enemies hit harder, and you've probably memorized all the combo strings. The karma system only rewards whoring your Ultimate Techniques, so if you're shooting for "high scores" the combat isn't as interesting.

DMC only really starts to shine on successive playthroughs: your movelist may be shorter but all your abilities interact with each other in interesting ways, plus enemies and bosses tend to have extra attacks that they only do on harder difficulties. DMC also tends to have a lot more secrets, there's usually about a dozen secret missions, and lots of little nooks and crannies with extra orbs in them, the demo alone probably has a dozen secret caches of red orbs.

They're both fantastic games, and the high level stuff in DMC only appeals to a small portion of the audience, but it's great to see the developers really embracing that part of the community. A lot of the tweaks to DMC4 seem to aimed for the high level play. Ninja Gaiden seems to be heading in a different direction, as Itagaki doesn't seem interested in adding in the things that made DMC3 a hit with its community.

Congrats, you've convinced me - I'll give DMC another try. I won't buy it for $60, but when it drops, I'll give it a run.

The new claw grab for DMC seems like a great addition. It replaces the dash attack (doesn't remove it), so that instead of you going towards enemies, they are coming to you. It probably makes the game a fair bit easier.

As for NG...I disagree. Higher levels change up both item placement and enemy type. Enemies are also more aggressive and attack as groups. But NG isn't without its flaws. Also, isn't there some big feud between Capcom and Team Ninja over who's got the better game? Itagaki is explicitly making NG2 different from DMC4, which is a good thing. I don't want DMC again with ninjas.

[bajan]

The game plays very well and the graphics are decent. Capcom has always managed to push decent games without the need for the most amazing graphics. The Onimusha series is a testament to this. Here's hoping the storyline is solid.

[SC Spartan]

I am really looking forward to this game. The demo was limited, but even in that form-I am so pumped for the game, its not even funny. I love DMC and this seems to return to form for me.

I will let you know what I think after the full game is out.