Neo-Nazi groups...

[dorkandproudofit]

I was thinking--"All those Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S., especially the KKK, are technically terrorist groups. Why does the KKK have representation in Congress? In fact, why does it have representation at all? Why are they not being hunted down and brought to justice like real terrorist groups?"

This brought on an Idea for a debate: Should U.S. Neo-Nazi groups be classified as terrorist groups and, if so, should the authorities (whether they be the police, the army, or the government) arrest them all?

I don't claim to be a master of debate, so I'm just gonna state my opinion and say that if I catch a neo-nazi or KKK member anywhere near Franklin, Tennessee, I'll rip their fucking head off.

[TheKeck]

Perhaps I'm a little out of the loop here. In what way does the KKK have representation in congress?

[Johan]

I was thinking--"All those Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S., especially the KKK, are technically terrorist groups.

No they're not...they're Republican pollsters and "get-out-the-vote-or-you-die" campaign staffers.

[torrefaction]

When was the last time you heard of anything other than a one-off hate crime, as far as organized, racially motivated attacks?

[PsychoticVile]

I was thinking--"All those Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S., especially the KKK, are technically terrorist groups. Why does the KKK have representation in Congress? In fact, why does it have representation at all? Why are they not being hunted down and brought to justice like real terrorist groups?"

This brought on an Idea for a debate: Should U.S. Neo-Nazi groups be classified as terrorist groups and, if so, should the authorities (whether they be the police, the army, or the government) arrest them all?

I don't claim to be a master of debate, so I'm just gonna state my opinion and say that if I catch a neo-nazi or KKK member anywhere near Franklin, Tennessee, I'll rip their fucking head off.

I don't approve of the KKK either but your last statement qualifies you as a terrorist as the law is currently written and would be classified as a terroristic threat.

[torrefaction]

Perhaps I'm a little out of the loop here. In what way does the KKK have representation in congress?

He may be referring to the Senate.

Today the only known former member of the Klan to hold a federal office in the United States is Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who says he "deeply regrets" joining the Klan over half a century ago, when he was about 24 years old.

[jeffbax]

As deplorable as they are, if you start saying their speech is terrorism then its the first route to saying other speech is terrorism. Promoting gay marriage? Terrorist! Protesting guantanamo? TERRORIST!

its a slippery slope. You let them have their say, municipalities have rules about demonstration and disrupting the peace but you can only punish their actual acts, not their ability to speak.

[Dr.Finger]

I was thinking--"All those Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S., especially the KKK, are technically terrorist groups. Why does the KKK have representation in Congress? In fact, why does it have representation at all? Why are they not being hunted down and brought to justice like real terrorist groups?"

This brought on an Idea for a debate: Should U.S. Neo-Nazi groups be classified as terrorist groups and, if so, should the authorities (whether they be the police, the army, or the government) arrest them all?

I don't claim to be a master of debate, so I'm just gonna state my opinion and say that if I catch a neo-nazi or KKK member anywhere near Franklin, Tennessee, I'll rip their fucking head off.The KKK as existed in King's day doesn't really exist anymore. There aren't millions of people getting monthly flyers from the head KKK office. It's all smaller, loosely affiliated groups.

Second, where do we draw the line? The KKKs of the world are obvious, but do we round up the Nation of Islam, too? FALN? The ELF? The Westboro Church (The people that protest military funerals)? And those are just the ones off the top of my head that do thing. There are tons more that just talk a big game.

Lastly, if you look at the groups classified as terrorists groups almost all are either quasi-governmental (Hamas, Hizballah, FARC) or were in active, violent rebellion against a government (al Queda, Tamil Tigers, IRA). The Klan doesn't really fit that mold.

[Wslove]

I want to preface this by saying I'm a Jew and as such I think all Nazis, Neo or otherwise, can go huff on Zyclon gas and die.

Having said that as an American who appreciates his freedom I support their right to spout their vile, disgusting hate speech so long as they are not advocating violance against anybody. As long as they are not inciting riots or violance they can speak as whatever comes to their inbread 50 IQ minds.

Classifying them as terrorists is dangerious because it is so easy to fall down the slope from there. Practically everyone would support such a move because these people are a bunch of jackbooted assholes. But if you ban their speech then whose to stop them from banning speech against religion by the Atheists? If hate groups are terrorists then whose to say that the American Communist Party isn't a terrorist group as well? How about the Green Party? The Libertarians? Then anyone not supporting the current administration? See where I'm going with this?

If knowing I can say what I want means they can say what they that is a compromise I am willing to take. Remember, Nazi Germany clamped down soft at first, in the beginning it was only banning Communist speech. Look where that ended up.

[Johan]

I want to preface this by saying I'm a Jew

So, are you in banking, the media/Hollywood, or medicine? :D

[Rifter]

Views and words are sacred, and protected by our constitution. It is the actual execution of words and views, in a hurtful manner to others, that breaks the law. I wouldn't want to kill someone, if I found that they belonged to the KKK... but I would definately try to keep them away from me...

[Schnoogs]

"Illinois Nazis"

"I hate Illinois Nazis"

[Yellowman]

As deplorable as they are, if you start saying their speech is terrorism then its the first route to saying other speech is terrorism. Promoting gay marriage? Terrorist! Protesting guantanamo? TERRORIST!

its a slippery slope. You let them have their say, municipalities have rules about demonstration and disrupting the peace but you can only punish their actual acts, not their ability to speak.

In the UK we have a new law called incitement to terrorism where you can be held accountable for... well pretty much anything. Fortunately we only use it on Muslims so there is no way it could ever be used on upstanding white middle class.

No way at all. Police state is the only state to be in!

[Schnoogs]

In the UK we have a new law called incitement to terrorism where you can be held accountable for... well pretty much anything. Fortunately we only use it on Muslims so there is no way it could ever be used on upstanding white middle class.

No way at all. Police state is the only state to be in!

Good to see America doesn't have a monopoly on leftwing FUD. :rolleyes:

[TheKeck]

He may be referring to the Senate.
Well, if that IS the basis, I would say that this does NOT constitute "KKK representation in congress".

[Heretic Machine]

Speech is fine, but when you break the law as a group in an organized fashion, you cross the line into being a terrorist group and not just a bunch of criminals, IMO. I think there are a lot of terrorist groups that need to be dealt with in this country (not just the ones you mentioned, but groups like PETA and The Church of Scientology too).

[Wslove]

So, are you in banking, the media/Hollywood, or medicine? :D

I do QA for a major game publisher so I guess you could say Entertainment Industry. Of course I also moonlight controlling the world's banks when I'm not hunched over a giant pot of stolen gold, wringing my hands together as my massive shylock nose sucks up all the free air. :D

[Achilles]

I was thinking--"All those Neo-Nazi groups in the U.S., especially the KKK, are technically terrorist groups. Why does the KKK have representation in Congress? In fact, why does it have representation at all? Why are they not being hunted down and brought to justice like real terrorist groups?"

This brought on an Idea for a debate: Should U.S. Neo-Nazi groups be classified as terrorist groups and, if so, should the authorities (whether they be the police, the army, or the government) arrest them all?

I don't claim to be a master of debate, so I'm just gonna state my opinion and say that if I catch a neo-nazi or KKK member anywhere near Franklin, Tennessee, I'll rip their fucking head off.To be terrorists they'd actually have to be planning some kind of attack or funding groups that were planning attacks. When they do, like in Oklahoma city, we put them to death apparently and do prosecute the cell that did it.

There are a lot of Muslim groups in this country, some professors in particular, that don’t like this country at all and even sympathize with the terrorists, but since they’re not planning anything and aren’t funding anything they’re watched but otherwise left alone, much like these KKK and neo-nazi nuts.

What representation do they have in congress? That line didn’t make any sense. If you can point to anyone in congress or the senate who’s an active member of the KKK that would be some interesting stuff.

[Johan]

I do QA for a major game publisher so I guess you could say Entertainment Industry. Of course I also moonlight controlling the world's banks when I'm not hunched over a giant pot of stolen gold, wringing my hands together as my massive shylock nose sucks up all the free air. :D

Dammit! So I was wrong about the medicine! :(

I kid, I kid. I love Jewish people. I have them over for ham at Easter. ;)

[Dag-Sabot]

hate is a strong word..

[LongStepMantis]

You just have to remember that anyone who hates recklessly, against entire ethnicities/religions, is usually too stupid to figure out how to think about anything.

Also, we have nothing to fear from Nazis:
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[KingGorilla]

Perhaps I'm a little out of the loop here. In what way does the KKK have representation in congress?

David Duke, former senator from Louisiana was a grand dragon.