Mass Effect on Fox News

[Norse]

Have anyone seen this:

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This both scares me and angers me. First of all; during the game you kill hundreds of creatures and the thing that these people react against is a few glimpses of naked skin? WTF?

Who are these people? Are people really that clueless about games?

[Goronmon]

The psychologist states that adults don't play games. Wow.
If you look at the statistics. Who is playing video games? Adolescent males, not their dads.Well, she obviously has no problem lying on national TV.

[Ancalagon]

it seems you americans dont like naked people.

American censors seem to get far more peeved about swearing and sex than violence, which is odd.

"Hey - would we rather our youth swear and have consensual sex, or kill each other?"

hmm, tough question.

The psychologist states that adults don't play games. Wow.

I really want to watch this now! Too bad I'm at work.

[mulligan]

Oh my God...

[Spigot]

I didn't watch the video yet, but I will bet dollars to donuts that this segment was spurred on by that horrible article at that townhall.com site.

[Goronmon]

Well, apparently, anyone who is not an adolescent male, and certainly anyone who has kids, does not belong on Evil Avatar. Sorry guys. I guess it was fun while it lasted.

[51|RandoM]

"Hey - would we rather our youth swear and have consensual sex, or kill each other?"

hmm, tough question.

It is patriotic to kill people. Having sex with them? Not so much.

[Spigot]

It is patriotic to kill people. Having sex with them? Not so much.Unless you kill them WHILE having sex with them. Isn't that the most patriotic act on the Big List Of Patriotism?

[Spigot]

I also love how they act as though you get to actually play the sex scenes... must be an unlockable.

Ok. Watched it. Thank god they had Geoff on there to actually bring some reality to the table.

I love how the psychologist pulls out studies and stuff while they're talking about a specific item. Sigh.

[Flatpicker]

It's not like Fox has an actual news channel. Just fearmongering and hype.
I always laugh at Fox's inconsistency. The news channel decries sex or violence and the Fox programming is some of the most risque available.

I wonder, if Fox had an Interactive Entertainment dept that made money, would the news channel still be anti videogame?

[bapenguin]

Jeff did a great job of defending it. It's ashame nobody wants to listen.

[Schnoogs]

http://www.assassinworks.com/**********

[CoachCrazyMcScot]

So my playing too much Mass Effect will lead me to more inappropiate sex with groupies from the Blue Man Group?

[Superman's Dead]

I tried to watch it. I tried really hard to click on the little 'play' arrow. But I can't. All the hate...where does it go?

[The Iron Weasel]

Wow that was an exercise in retardation. They clearly knew nothing about Mass Effect.

[OUX]

Unless you kill them WHILE having sex with them. Isn't that the most patriotic act on the Big List Of Patriotism?

This isn't Japan.

[Atepsflame]

The people that claim that what's in Mass Effect is "Graphic sex" then they must not have seen just about every porno I've ever seen. Seriously, the sex in the movie Crash was more graphic than that. Christ.

[LongStepMantis]

So....anyone else find it funny, not only that they're so grossly misinformed...but that absolutely anyone interested in playing the game, already has...so what is their goal exactly?

Oh wait, it's Fox...their goal is to make everyone as stupid as they think people are.

[Jack B]

You wonder how witch hunts, McCarthyism and the Spanish Inquisition happened and then you see stuff like this and it all makes sense... :(

Of course the audience for Fox News hasn't played it either, so it all makes sense to them. Reminds me of the Monty Python skit "How do we tell if she's a witch..." (click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g)). They must believe their viewers know as much about Mass Effect as the villagers in Monty Python's skit...

[OUX]

Wow that was an exercise in retardation. They clearly knew nothing about Mass Effect.
They clearly know nothing about video games today. At all. Zip, nada, zilch.

[LongStepMantis]

The people that claim that what's in Mass Effect is "Graphic sex" then they must not have seen just about every porno I've ever seen. Seriously, the sex in the movie Crash was more graphic than that. Christ.

Didn't you get the memo?
You can have a foursome involving a midget, a firehose, and a trained donkey...if it's in a movie.

Show a nipple in a video game and you're a disgusting human being.

[Spigot]

Oh god. The panel. It makes my brain hurt.

It's like these people are powerless around their kids. "I can't figure out Barbie Horse Adventures! Games R hard!"

"If I bring the game in to play, who can control what the kids do? OH NOES!"

Sigh.

[Returner]

OMG this feels like a joke. These people are clueless.

[51|RandoM]

Unless you kill them WHILE having sex with them. Isn't that the most patriotic act on the Big List Of Patriotism?

This one is a bit more murky.

It only holds true if all of the following apply: a) you're in the process of questioning them about anything that might relate to national security, and b) you're not doing it on American soil.

Put them on a plane to Egypt first, basically.

[Superman's Dead]

It says...sexbox.

This should be a huge issue. Inquiries should be made. This is flagrant...lying.

I watched two minutes, couldn't wait for it to load and...they...they just plain don't care. And what kind of psychologist writes a book and puts herself on the cover? In that kind of pose?

[Anaris82]

Wow. Poor Geoff. I bet he was fuming after that. I was beginning to forget why I hate FOX, but now it's all coming back to me.

[Telefrog]

Fox News is pure awesome comedy gold. I'm not even sure who the fuck watches Fox News and expects rational or objective items.

[Grifter]

The only thing that pisses me off is the complete ignorance and stupidity of these people. If a majority of Americas parents are like them it's no wonder why this country's children are in such bad emotional shape. They are actually complaining about having to look at the back of the box for a rating! If they did any sort of research they would know that all ratings are on the bottom left corner of the FRONT of the packaging as well but even if it was located on the back only is it really that complicated to turn a small box over?

If only video games were like cable TV where the only thing a child has to do is hit a single button to watch the sex...oh wait.

Maybe they should make them like DVD players or VCRs so the only thing a child has to do is put the media in and sit there doing nothing to see the sex scene...Damn.

Ooohh what if they have to actually type some kind of address in containing a single descriptive word of what they what to see in order to access the "bad stuff", they'll never figure that out...screw it.

[GrinR]

Fox News' "opinion shows" are always this way. They get bobbleheads to jabber about stuff that only the most conservative ignoramus would believe or listen to. Sadly, there are a lot of those.

Jeff kicked ass, but he should have avoided any admission of any sex. I would have said there was a PG-13 equivalent scene in the game that implied consensual sex as a result of many, many long hours of building a relationship through dialog and experience. The Little Mermaid has more tits, ass, and sex than Mass Effect.

[GrinR]

http://www.assassinworks.com/**********

You're wearing out my favorite animated gif.

Taste is knowing when to stop.

[Schnoogs]

You're wearing out my favorite animated gif.

Taste is knowing when to stop.

You'll get over it.

[gzsfrk]

It is patriotic to kill people. Having sex with them? Not so much.

Having sex with them after you kill them? Hmm... I think necrophilia is pretty far down the list of activities I'd deem patriotic. (Although I hear that sodomizing someone to the point of near death in the name of "protecting freedom" has been pretty popular in a some "non-existent" military prisons.)

[Roc Ingersol]

Once again proving that cable 'news' is barely distinct from attention-whoring websites.

[IrishWhiskey]

I wish I could act surprised and outraged at them but... I just don't have it in me anymore. This sort of idiocy is just standard for them by now.

After seeing this on my local Fox affiliate their ability to flabbergast me is gone:

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[Deadend]

So, where are the Fox News defenders? I notice they never show up during this stuff when it's so flagerent.

[NationalKato]

Wait, you were expecting rational and thorough opinions from a Fox News panel?

[GrinR]

You'll get over it.

Undoubtedly, as surely as you will not.

[Siraris]

I was actually so upset by watching this piece, I wrote a letter to Fox News. I think everyone on here should as well, so we can make a statement that shoddy journalism, not researching your pieces, and being utterly close minded neurotic people isn't the way we want to watch our news.

[TrackZero]

So, where are the Fox News defenders? I notice they never show up during this stuff when it's so flagerent.

Indeed.

Johan, come out come out wherever you are!

[Food Nipple]

Geoff Keighley did a pretty poor job, he got way too worked up. If he had been a bit more level headed I think his argument would be more convincing.

[Esquilax1138]

Needs to be a new law, if you are on TV news talking crap out of your ass on topics you have no idea what you are saying is even true or not, then you are subject to a heavy sack beating on air as a rebuttal.

[GrinR]

So, where are the Fox News defenders? I notice they never show up during this stuff when it's so flagerent.

Hi. Already posted, flagrantly.

[IrishWhiskey]

I was actually so upset by watching this piece, I wrote a letter to Fox News. I think everyone on here should as well, so we can make a statement that shoddy journalism, not researching your pieces, and being utterly close minded neurotic people isn't the way we want to watch our news.Dear Fox News,

Please stop putting on retarded pundits and guests who know nothing about their subjects except how to fearmonger and stir up controversy. And please stop treating everything that was invented after the 1950s as if it came out of Satan’s asshole. And please stop calling yourselves Fair and Balanced as it demeans the entire field of journalism, and mortally wounds irony. And please contact the authorities about the escaped mental patients who are currently in charge of your Fox and Friends Morning show. And please put Bill O’Reilly on medication and allow the rare intelligent guest he has on a chance to speak. And please tell Brit Hume to stop making shit up randomly as he reads the news. And tell Neil Cavuto that a sarcastic 13 year old appears to have grabbed a hold of his caption making machine. And please try hiring some female analysts based on intelligence rather than how much they resemble Barbie and/or whether they are to the right of the Kaiser. And please acknowledge the existence of Ron Paul, and that Giuliani is not actually Jesus reincarnated. And….and....and...

[Tel Prydain]

I used this image yesterday, and now this is demanding I fucken use it again.


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[Deadend]

Hi. Already posted, flagrantly.

That was in defense?

..REALLY?

[iHap]

wow...at least they all agree on something good. That the government shouldn't' control the gaming market.

[NSFW]

so much ignorance and prejudice not just on fox news but in the general population of the United States of America. It consistently amazes me that people can be so stupid. As in not knowing anything about anything, especially that they can teach they're kids to not be a little piece of shit. honestly i'm getting tired of it.

To be clear i'm describing the lack of the populace to get off their lazy asses and just fucking investigate something. Investigate as in don't take some asshats word for it. Just think for a second or two.

[Schnoogs]

I like to molest small boys...that's because when I was 8 my uncle would force me to swallow large quantities of semen directly from his penis. Meanwhile my father would fuck me in the ass without any lube. To this day I still wear a diaper. In order to understand the pain from my childhood I kidnap young boys and suck their dicks all night.

I'm not the one complaining.

[NationalKato]

Oh, would you two just give each other a handski and be done with it?

[SCSI15]

Have they forgotten how much worse Television is? Have they ever heard of Desperate house wives? They want to say this game demoralizes women and this tv show doesnt?

Are you fing kidding me? they see the same if not worse.

They have worse sexual scenes on TV! I know I keep repeating myself a little but damn. Be the parents don't let your kids parent you.

When the lady says well when you are away your kid is going to play daddys game. HIDE THE GAME LOCK IT UP!!. Watch what your kids play don't buy them those games if you have a problem with them. Learn what games your kids friends are playing. Be a proactive parent. Read what the game is about play it your self if that helps

If the game was really geared towards 15 year olds wouldn't they have made the game for their rating so they could go out and buy it? If a 15 kid has it either his parents trust him with that he is watching or a stupid parent bought it for him. There is no legal way a 15 year old kid can buy this game.

[torrefaction]

Indeed.

Johan, come out come out wherever you are!

Maybe he's gone. I've seen a few posts saying he was disappearing for a while.

[Hagetaka]

To the 'Journalist' who cooked this up:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/xHagetaka/Idiot.jpg

I hate you.

[BalekFekete]

I know I should have just sat back, shook my head, and let this die - but couldn't. Sooo...this email just went out:

Dear Ms. Cooper,

I recently had the opportunity to view a piece that ran on your show with the above referenced title. I am writing to express my disappointment with the coverage and sheer disgust with the level of journalism - a term I will use loosely - when putting this material together. Of the two guests you had speak during the interview, and the panel, only the professional from SpikeTV was versed in the subject and earns the right to call his take on the subject valid. The rest of the party, yourself included, simply do not have the background or experience to speak critically on the subject in my humble opinion.

I am a 35-year old professional in the pharmaceutical industry, happily married for 13 years and a father of three wonderful children. I am also a gamer from the time of the first console and first personal computer. This is a hobby and source of entertainment that has far more positives going for it than the consistent and constant negatives that are espoused in the press. Video games inspire creativity, improved problem solving abilities, and with the advent of online gaming a truly global exposure for young people that has never been available in the past. However, instead of running with a story on those benefits, the press continues to nitpick over small, inconsequential pieces of games that are deemed by these so-called professionals as harmful to the youth of our society.

The attack on video games, the manufacturers of those games, and the people who play them must stop. The games do not make bad people. People make bad people - in this I am referring to the parents. It is a parental responsibility to ensure the safety and proper upbringing of their children. Stating that parents are ill-prepared or ill-informed is simply letting those responsibilities fall by the wayside. Information, especially in todays world, is more accessible than any time in history. Parents simply need to take the time and make the effort to play a part in what their children do and enjoy. Should they do that, they are then in a position to monitor those activities and enforce their morals and judgment accordingly. It is not up to you, me, or any other person to do so in their stead.

While I respect your freedom to have an opinion, it is always a shame to see a person who has influence over such a large population be so misguided on a given subject.

Yours respectfully,

[Lord_Don]

"Being a parent is hard."

Yeah and the hardest part of it isn't the chance they might watch some 2 minute sex scene in a video game, dipshit.

[KingGorilla]

All I have to say is GETT EM Jeff

[cppcrusader]

Geoff Keighley did a pretty poor job, he got way too worked up. If he had been a bit more level headed I think his argument would be more convincing.

Unfortunately that's how Fox News does business. They hit you over the head with their patented Stupidity and Ignorance Hammer so hard that anyone that can calmly point out their lies lose their focus and appear as the "crazy fool".

[Kelegacy]

Videogames cause Columbine copy cats and teen pregnancy. More at 11.

[Disgustipated]

Fox News causes mass stupidity and ignorance. More at 10.

[Philonious]

I know I should have just sat back, shook my head, and let this die - but couldn't. Sooo...this email just went out:

Dear Ms. Cooper,

I recently had the opportunity to view a piece that ran on your show with the above referenced title. I am writing to express my disappointment with the coverage and sheer disgust with the level of journalism - a term I will use loosely - when putting this material together. Of the two guests you had speak during the interview, and the panel, only the professional from SpikeTV was versed in the subject and earns the right to call his take on the subject valid. The rest of the party, yourself included, simply do not have the background or experience to speak critically on the subject in my humble opinion.

I am a 35-year old professional in the pharmaceutical industry, happily married for 13 years and a father of three wonderful children. I am also a gamer from the time of the first console and first personal computer. This is a hobby and source of entertainment that has far more positives going for it than the consistent and constant negatives that are espoused in the press. Video games inspire creativity, improved problem solving abilities, and with the advent of online gaming a truly global exposure for young people that has never been available in the past. However, instead of running with a story on those benefits, the press continues to nitpick over small, inconsequential pieces of games that are deemed by these so-called professionals as harmful to the youth of our society.

The attack on video games, the manufacturers of those games, and the people who play them must stop. The games do not make bad people. People make bad people - in this I am referring to the parents. It is a parental responsibility to ensure the safety and proper upbringing of their children. Stating that parents are ill-prepared or ill-informed is simply letting those responsibilities fall by the wayside. Information, especially in todays world, is more accessible than any time in history. Parents simply need to take the time and make the effort to play a part in what their children do and enjoy. Should they do that, they are then in a position to monitor those activities and enforce their morals and judgment accordingly. It is not up to you, me, or any other person to do so in their stead.

While I respect your freedom to have an opinion, it is always a shame to see a person who has influence over such a large population be so misguided on a given subject.

Yours respectfully,

Unfortunately you have addressed it to the wrong person. I have no clue who the anchor was, but 'Cooper' (her first name) was the 'psychology expert'. Ironic, since you are being critical of her being uninformed. Otherwise, it was a nice letter.

[KingGorilla]

Fox News causes mass stupidity and ignorance. More at 10 [on Fox].
Edited for more lol.

[menage]

Maybe they will sell even more copies now:)

[NationalKato]

Unfortunately that's how Fox News does business. They hit you over the head with their patented Stupidity and Ignorance Hammer so hard that anyone that can calmly point out their lies lose their focus and appear as the "crazy fool".

This, in a short paragraph, is the Fox News Technique. Whether they are discussing politics, media, or whatever. They make it vitually impossible to have an actual reasoned, intelligent discussion on a subject. They prefer to use salacious and titillating leads to work their viewers into a frenzy.

Note how Keighley, at the very start, calmly debunks the entire premise of the news story. Do they change the text below to match the truth? Does the host concede the point, considering even she could not find the lurid material online?

Of course not. This spot, in essence, is why Fox News is a joke and the viewers who defend them duped.

[OrangePulp]

I tried to watch it, but couldn't get past the blatant lies of it containing "full digital nudity". Jesus H.

Doesn't the 360 have some pretty good parental controls? And of course there's the low-tech option mentioned earlier, "lock shit up". I don't understand how you could complain of kids playing your games, when you have the means to avoid this. It's called being a parent, asshole. If you're not going to be one, you have no right to complain.

[Disgustipated]

Edited for more lol.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Roc Ingersol]

Thing is, FOX knows the truth about this game.

Someone at FOX knew about the interweb hoopla about this non-story. They'd have seen pages and pages of rebuttals with even casual research.
Someone at FOX played through that game for at least seven hours to get that shot. They probably watched that clip several times finding the raciest thing they could. They could easily have pointed to that screenshot and stated that it is as graphic as the game gets, and only about 5 frames of animation are even that graphic.

So they know. They know they're lying out their ass. They know they're sensationalizing a non-issue to goose up their numbers on a slow news day. And they don't care. That's FOX. You can't appeal to them with reason. If you insist on trying, you can boycott their advertisers and advise others to do the same. That's the only weapon you have. But they'll probably never change. Their target audience don't care for truth, decent journalism or insight. They just want a confirmation of their preconceived notions, and they want a two-minute hate.

[antinous165]

Wait........... I know what Dennis Franz's ass looks like. It is literally burned into the core of my memory, and ME is offensive. Right. Now as I type this with a celluitic tush hovering just beyond my consciousness I realized that besides the raunchy sex in ME the only thing that could make it better is if I could kill an Elcor. I mean really NYPD Blue was a great show, and other booties were present and appreciated, but that one lumpy oatmeal white moment when sipowitz dropped trough. Damn that will haunt me until my last breath.

No one should be subjected to an ass like that unless you are marrying for love and/or money.

Oh no, the pundits heads are turning into Franz's ass. All of them. they are talking and all I can see is time worn flabby ass cheeks flapping in 4/3 time. They are not even talking out of their own ass's, they have hijacked someone elses ass to talk out out because their's have disintegrated from too much use. At least Dennis Franz was and is a great actor. These Ass Clowns would explode if relevance got within 30ft. of them.

[Shjinta]

it seems you americans dont like naked people.

American censors seem to get far more peeved about swearing and sex than violence, which is odd.

"Hey - would we rather our youth swear and have consensual sex, or kill each other?"

hmm, tough question.



I really want to watch this now! Too bad I'm at work.

Hey that reminded me of South park the Movie.. When the Canadian Ambassador complains about American Tv

[Ancalagon]

Faux News is at it again.

Personally, I dont think Faux News is as stupid as people make out. Hear me out.

Which would get better ratings - if they had a balanced talkshow where Geoff and Bioware responded telling viewers what the game was really about?

Or some stupid chic would didnt know shit about fuck talking about outdated statistics and psychological theories that agree with Fox's standpoint that these games that depict healthy sexual relationships are evil.

[SuicideKing]

Since I got branded a Fox apologist in another thread, I'll keep this brief. They DID have Jeff on. He got approximately as much screentime as the psychologist I'd say. So, that right there is something you don't often get with other channels. Here you DID get the two opposing views. Now it's clear which way the moderator leaned, but regardless, the whole principle of a free society is you are presented with information, and you as a taker of said information form your own viewpoint.

Obviously Mass effect is simply a great game, and as a parent it's your damn job to control what your kids have access to, but even more importantly, to explain WHY you don't think they should have access to something. Yes, the psychologist was beating the poor abused feminist video games are evil drum, she's retarded, fine, Jeff came out and rebutted it, if anyone cares enough one way or the other they can follow up themselves.

The reason people like myself say Fox is more balanced than say CNN or BBC, is because on the other networks, in general you only get one side period.

[BalekFekete]

Unfortunately you have addressed it to the wrong person. I have no clue who the anchor was, but 'Cooper' (her first name) was the 'psychology expert'. Ironic, since you are being critical of her being uninformed. Otherwise, it was a nice letter.

:eek: Oops...and hence why I'm not in journalism. ;)

[IrishWhiskey]

Now it's clear which way the moderator leaned, but regardless, the whole principle of a free society is you are presented with information, and you as a taker of said information form your own viewpoint.I can accept a moderator having a slant when presenting two sides of an argument. Thats not the same as a network presenting what is factually wrong information as if its true. Or allowing guests to make such blatantly false statements without any effort at fact-checking.
Yes, the psychologist was beating the poor abused feminist video games are evil drum, she's retarded, fine, Jeff came out and rebutted it, if anyone cares enough one way or the other they can follow up themselves. Feminist?The reason people like myself say Fox is more balanced than say CNN or BBC, is because on the other networks, in general you only get one side period.I've seen discussion on the BBC and CNN that were way more balanced and factual than that. And on the BBC that tend to be civil discussions rather than based on drama and conflict. They've probably had stupid takes on this issue as well, but your statement that you only see one side just isn't true. Not to mention I've seen plenty of one-sided discussions on Fox News.

[VictorVonViolence]

Pfft fox news.

They're the "Bumfights" of news broadcasting

[SuicideKing]

Feminist?

"Who's playing these games? Adolescent males!"

...

"Here's how they're seeing women, they're seeing them as these objects of desire, you know, as these hot bodies. They don't show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality."

...

"And it's a MAN (emphasis hers) in this game deciding how many people he wants to be with"

II've seen discussion on the BBC and CNN that were way more balanced and factual than that. And on the BBC that tend to be civil discussions rather than based on drama and conflict. They've probably had stupid takes on this issue as well, but your statement that you only see one side just isn't true. Not to mention I've seen plenty of one-sided discussions on Fox News.


Agreed this issue in particular is one most news agencies would be stupid over I think, however, I somehow get the feeling you didn't watch any of the BBC's horribly biased coverage of the Israel/Lebanon war if you didn't mean for that comment regarding them to be tongue-in-cheek.

[Deadend]

Ah there we go... Now all is fair and balanced in the thread.

[TheDrew]

this is ridicuous

[sleepbox]

Let's IGNORE the ratings system since we're the GENIOUS mainstream media full of CONCERNED IGNORANT parents!!

There's more nudity on PG movies.

[IrishWhiskey]

"Who's playing these games? Adolescent males!" Oh, I'll agree that she's a harpy, but it seemed like you were suggesting that the 'evil video games' shtick in general is related to feminism. Maybe I interpreted that wrong. I know that plenty of the pundits on Fox decrying GTA and killing prostitutes were a long way from feminists (or 'feminazis' as they call them)
Agreed this issue in particular is one most news agencies would be stupid over I think, however, I somehow get the feeling you didn't watch any of the BBC's horribly biased coverage of the Israel/Lebanon war if you didn't mean for that comment regarding them to be tongue-in-cheek.As biased as Fox? Well it depends where you define that bias from. I'm guessing they weren't that biased compared to the British public, were more biased compared to the Fox News audience, and were more biased the other direction compared to Saudi Arabia's coverage.

[Terran]

this is ridiculous

This is delicious!

FROSTING!

/old meme

[Stupid Fat Hobbit]

Since I got branded a Fox apologist in another thread, I'll keep this brief. They DID have Jeff on. He got approximately as much screentime as the psychologist I'd say. So, that right there is something you don't often get with other channels. Here you DID get the two opposing views. Now it's clear which way the moderator leaned, but regardless, the whole principle of a free society is you are presented with information, and you as a taker of said information form your own viewpoint.

Obviously Mass effect is simply a great game, and as a parent it's your damn job to control what your kids have access to, but even more importantly, to explain WHY you don't think they should have access to something. Yes, the psychologist was beating the poor abused feminist video games are evil drum, she's retarded, fine, Jeff came out and rebutted it, if anyone cares enough one way or the other they can follow up themselves.

The reason people like myself say Fox is more balanced than say CNN or BBC, is because on the other networks, in general you only get one side period.

I have to disagree with this. Presenting both sides of an argument is all well and good, but not when the people arguing one side are completely uninformed or deliberately misrepresenting the facts, using provable falsehoods to support their points. That kind of situation is never going to result in constructive debate, especially when you add in a biased moderator.

If they'd had a psychologist who had actually played the game and had some sort of well thought out complaint about it, that would have been fine. As it was, the woman almost seemed offended at being asked whether she'd played it, as if actually having a clue what she was talking about would have sullied her pure, unspoilt opinion.

The fact is, all opinions are not equal and should not be given equal weight. An opinion based on actual experience is likely to be more valid than one based on hearsay and conjecture.

[Expugnare]

I love how she says that it looks like a movie. Well, last I checked an R rated movie (equivalent to M rated games, Fox News), can contain much more nudity. Mass Effect show side boob and some ass crack. Hell, shampoo commercials have side boob!

[Food Nipple]

Since I got branded a Fox apologist in another thread, I'll keep this brief. They DID have Jeff on. He got approximately as much screentime as the psychologist I'd say. So, that right there is something you don't often get with other channels. Here you DID get the two opposing views. Now it's clear which way the moderator leaned, but regardless, the whole principle of a free society is you are presented with information, and you as a taker of said information form your own viewpoint.

Obviously Mass effect is simply a great game, and as a parent it's your damn job to control what your kids have access to, but even more importantly, to explain WHY you don't think they should have access to something. Yes, the psychologist was beating the poor abused feminist video games are evil drum, she's retarded, fine, Jeff came out and rebutted it, if anyone cares enough one way or the other they can follow up themselves.

The reason people like myself say Fox is more balanced than say CNN or BBC, is because on the other networks, in general you only get one side period.

Giving equal time for both sides to spew whatever they want is not reporting, that's advertising. A reporter's job is to make some sort of evaluation to filter the opinions from the facts, and they completely failed, labeling the game "Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas."

[PopoWRX]

Giving equal time for both sides to spew whatever they want is not reporting, that's advertising. A reporter's job is to make some sort of evaluation to filter the opinions from the facts, and they completely failed, labeling the game "Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas."

Agreed. When that guy said that I smirked in disgust. I also smirked when the psychologist did that haughty half laugh answer when Geoff asked if she had played the game, as if such activities were beneath her. I smirked again when the African American lady started going on about "wanting to play Daddy's game" without knowing the full extent of Xbox 360's parental controls, even after the host had read off a press release from Microsoft earlier.

And when finally one of the people on the "roundtable" actually spouted something that made sense, the last guy saying its ultimately up to the parents to filter what they want, the host ends it by saying "...unfortunately."

Had a nice smirk for that one. A laugh of disdain if you will.

[Deadend]

That was terrible example of terrible reporting. Just flat out, no defending them. They are so stupid there. Stop defending them SuicideKing, as you know in your heart and your mind, that Fox News is totally full of shit, don't try and divert it to "everyone else is too!" as it's about Fox News, nothing else.

[Philonious]

Since I got branded a Fox apologist in another thread, I'll keep this brief. They DID have Jeff on. He got approximately as much screentime as the psychologist I'd say. So, that right there is something you don't often get with other channels. Here you DID get the two opposing views. Now it's clear which way the moderator leaned, but regardless, the whole principle of a free society is you are presented with information, and you as a taker of said information form your own viewpoint.

Obviously Mass effect is simply a great game, and as a parent it's your damn job to control what your kids have access to, but even more importantly, to explain WHY you don't think they should have access to something. Yes, the psychologist was beating the poor abused feminist video games are evil drum, she's retarded, fine, Jeff came out and rebutted it, if anyone cares enough one way or the other they can follow up themselves.

The reason people like myself say Fox is more balanced than say CNN or BBC, is because on the other networks, in general you only get one side period.

Yeah, but I kind of felt that Jeff K. was there for show... He got a little air time and then the panel completely ignored anything that he had to say. None of the panelists brought anything to the 'argument' other than their preconceptions and misinformation. They are supposedly a NEWS program, which to me suggests that they should have actually done some investigating, instead of basing their arguments off of misinformation taken from a website that had already apologized for being full of it.

It isn't exactly as if it would have been difficult to talk to Jeff K. a bit before the show, download the clips from YouTube or, god forbid, play the game.

[deathfan]

Fox is fucked up. Most useless, painful, badly researched and FUCKING RIDICULOUS 'news' I have ever seen.

If we had a network like this in New Zealand muthafuckaz would get shot.

[Hagetaka]

This could only mean good things for Mass Effect. Anyone else think that we'll see a rise in sales after this sort of journalism percolates to the general public?

[BlackPete]

Well... this is Faux News we're talking about here...

[KingGorilla]

I love it when "experts" quote university and other clinical studies as evidence of this or that. I cannot remember if it was PC gamer or what, but they interviewed a man who had conducted several of those studies and said that it is never their intention to find any sort of causality, but look for links and ways that stimulus create a reaction. Eddie Murphy found the correlation in the 70's for most of the temporary effects of watching something violent. He said that when you walk out of a Bruce Lee movie, you feel like you can and that you want to fight somebody. It goes away. If there were any lasting effects than we would all have become extinct because our Grandparents would have gouged each others eyes out and dropped anvils on their heads.

I find it amazing how these groups of people, standing in quick sand, can still spout off this non information that is becoming a century old now, and proven as bunk. The moving pictures, Rock and Roll, TV, Radio, pinball, electronic games in the home, Heavy Metal, Gangsta Rap, have not fucking destroyed a generation of youth or western society. I wish for a simpler time where these fuck-tards cloistered themselves in a Utopian society, then Adam is introduced...Hmmm maybe games and reality are blurring for me.

[Johan]

Maybe he's gone. I've seen a few posts saying he was disappearing for a while.

I was screwing around with an alt account today, but I am on the verge of having to go away for a while. I need to get my doctorate done. I just can't do both, and one is a bit more important...:o

[Philonious]

I was screwing around with an alt account today, but I am on the verge of having to go away for a while. I need to get my doctorate done. I just can't do both, and one is a bit more important...:o

Moderation WOULD be the key... But for an addict like yourself stepping away completely might be for the best. Of course the we'll all be able to mock God with impunity. Mwahahahaha. Good luck getting her done, I found that sitting down to START each day was the hardest part.

[KingGorilla]

Let him go, his moment of weakness will be all that I need to pull ahead.

[bean19]

Needs to be a new law, if you are on TV news talking crap out of your ass on topics you have no idea what you are saying is even true or not, then you are subject to a heavy sack beating on air as a rebuttal.

I would actually watch Fox if they had this for accountability.

[Johan]

Good luck getting her done

I "get her done" every day! That's where the kids came from! :D

I do need to focus on my degree. I have too much fun here...mainly from the disgust, rage, and angst I feed off of!

[Wyrm]

So we shouldn't watch movies and tv anymore either because there's definitely more sex there than anywhere else.

Uh oh! Skin!!!!!! OH NOESSSSSS

[KingGorilla]

I saw a shampoo commercial and then I stabbed my brother in the eye with a pencil.

[Schnoogs]

Fox is fucked up. Most useless, painful, badly researched and FUCKING RIDICULOUS 'news' I have ever seen.

If we had a network like this in New Zealand muthafuckaz would get shot.

You don't get CNN? :p

[Blog]

On Topic:The people that claim that what's in Mass Effect is "Graphic sex" then they must not have seen just about every porno I've ever seen. Seriously, the sex in the movie Crash was more graphic than that. Christ.The sex in "Titanic" was was more graphic that Mass Effect. Sheesh.

Off Topic:So my playing too much Mass Effect will lead me to more inappropiate sex with groupies from the Blue Man Group?So will going to one of their shows with your swinger girlfriend. Trust me.

[Kefkataran]

LOL @ "Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas" and batshit insane lady who thinks the game deserves an AO rating.

I think Geoff did a great job considering the situation. Certainly better than I'm used to seeing video game personalities do on mainstream media shows.

[TheFlyingOrc]

This stuff will fade as old people die. In 30 years, we'll all be yelling because the kids are listening to "jew metal", which is making them all wear giant menorah-shaped hats and go around shooting up poor people and stealing their gold.

Every generation attacks what it doesn't understand in the younger one. Give it time, and it will fade. The important thing is to make sure the comic code never happens again.

[Wolvie]

I knew the mainstream media was demonizing and sensationalizing the content in video games for cheap story. But now I know their just pulling this shit out of their asses to get a cheap story.
I used to think journalists had 'integrity' that they 'researched' the subject they're looking into. Now I know they're full of 'bullshit'.

[Kefkataran]

I used to think journalists had 'integrity' that they 'researched' the subject they're looking into. Now I know they're full of 'bullshit'.

I'm not saying journalism is a particularly "pure" field (what is, these days), but you might want to rethink basing all your feelings on journalism off of Fox News.

[Wolvie]

I'm not saying journalism is a particularly "pure" field (what is, these days), but you might want to rethink basing all your feelings on journalism off of Fox News.

When NBC CBS ABC and CNN all smear games I'm pretty much not basing my opinion off of one fucked up media outlet. Fox just dropped the straw on the proverbial camels back.

[Kefkataran]

When NBC CBS ABC and CNN all smear games I'm pretty much not basing my opinion off of one fucked up media outlet. Fox just dropped the straw on the proverbial camels back.

Cute mixed metaphor there, but my point remains. You might not want to base your opinion of all journalism off Fox News or television journalism in general.

[TrackZero]

I was screwing around with an alt account today, but I am on the verge of having to go away for a while. I need to get my doctorate done. I just can't do both, and one is a bit more important...:o

Ah, you're still in Academia and not the real world. It explains so much.....

[Wolvie]

Cute mixed metaphor there, but my point remains. You might not want to base your opinion of all journalism off Fox News or television journalism in general.

I'm just pissed off Kef. I'm tired of hearing BS like this. I'm tired of the media(the slimy ones) making me out to be a perverted murderer waiting to be unleashed. I'm also sick of games being equated to a kids toy... plus I really am sick(cough/cold/flu/bleh) so I am just a tad grumpy right now. Try to bear with me.

[Kefkataran]

I'm just pissed off Kef. I'm tired of hearing BS like this. I'm tired of the media(the slimy ones) making me out to be a perverted murderer waiting to be unleashed. I'm also sick of games being equated to a kids toy... plus I really am sick(cough/cold/flu/bleh) so I am just a tad grumpy right now. Try to bear with me.

Trust me, I'm 100% with you. Watching that news clip made me super-pissed. But at this point, I've seen so much of this crap that I've learned to take it in stride. As someone else said, this stupid "games are evil" shit is going to die off along with the generation that was not born into games. We just need to ride it out and make sure they don't get too zealous in their anti-games craziness.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Trust me, I'm 100% with you. Watching that news clip made me super-pissed. But at this point, I've seen so much of this crap that I've learned to take it in stride. As someone else said, this stupid "games are evil" shit is going to die off along with the generation that was not born into games. We just need to ride it out and make sure they don't get too zealous in their anti-games craziness.

What do you mean "as someone else said!" It was me, Gorramit! I DEMAND CREDIT FOR MY FABULOUS POST

[Kefkataran]

What do you mean "as someone else said!" It was me, Gorramit! I DEMAND CREDIT FOR MY FABULOUS POST

For the record, I fully endorse TheFlyingOrc in his bid for Galactic Emperor.

[TheFlyingOrc]

For the record, I fully endorse TheFlyingOrc in his bid for Galactic Emperor.
I'm pretty much a combination of M.O.D.O.K. and Doctor Doom.

NOW KNEEL.

edit: I sigged it now.

[Wolvie]

Trust me, I'm 100% with you. Watching that news clip made me super-pissed. But at this point, I've seen so much of this crap that I've learned to take it in stride. As someone else said, this stupid "games are evil" shit is going to die off along with the generation that was not born into games. We just need to ride it out and make sure they don't get too zealous in their anti-games craziness.

Yeah, punk survived the detractors, metal made it past the haters, rap/hip-hop stuck it to the man, the music industry got slammed by the media and government. So gaming will survive, and I am gonna do the only thing I can do: raise my kids so they know that games aren't evil, they are just a fun past-time. And make sure they play he right games... until their old enough then they get to play GTA! :D

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yeah, punk survived the detractors, metal made it past the haters, rap/hip-hop stuck it to the man, the music industry got slammed by the media and government. So gaming will survive, and I am gonna do the only thing I can do: raise my kids so they know that games aren't evil, they are just a fun past-time. And make sure they play he right games... until their old enough then they get to play GTA! :D

As I said: THEY only won a single time: with the comic code, which destroyed a medium for some 30-40 years. There ARE people trying to make a version of it for video games, but they most likely will not succeed.

[BlackMako85]

I should make a fake newscast with 'experts' talking about the imminent threat that is Custer's Revenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge). Hell, the box art for that is more graphic than anything in Mass Effect.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I should make a fake newscast with 'experts' talking about the imminent threat that is Custer's Revenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge).

You really, truly should. That would be excellent.

[Kefkataran]

I should make a fake newscast with 'experts' talking about the imminent threat that is Custer's Revenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge). Hell, the box art for that is more graphic than anything in Mass Effect.

That would make for a fantastic Onion News Video-esque clip. I'm sure EvAv would frontpage it. ;)

[BlackMako85]

You really, truly should. That would be excellent.

I think the trip to Goodwill to find 80s-looking clothes would be worth it by itself. If I can find a group of people up for it, if I can actually write something thats mildly humorous while not ripping off some movie or TV show, and if I decide not to be lazy, I may consider possibly thinking about doing such a thing.

[Kefkataran]

I think the trip to Goodwill to find 80s-looking clothes would be worth it by itself. If I can find a group of people up for it, if I can actually write something thats mildly humorous while not ripping off some movie or TV show, and if I decide not to be lazy, I may consider possibly thinking about doing such a thing.

I will support this venture into non-laziness in whatever ways possible.

[BlackMako85]

I will support this venture into non-laziness in whatever ways possible.

If I can think of a humorous way to get it done, I'll bump this thread. Maybe tomorrow when I've had some sleep and a few bags of candy, funny things will happen. Feel free to steal the idea if you can think of a way to pull it off--I can't think of anything funnier than the premise.

The problem I can't get passed is that I'm friends with a bunch of Engineers--we're monotonous, can't act, and are generally boring people.

[Kefkataran]

If I can think of a humorous way to get it done, I'll bump this thread. Maybe tomorrow when I've had some sleep and a few bags of candy, funny things will happen. Feel free to steal the idea if you can think of a way to pull it off--I can't think of anything funnier than the premise.

The problem I can't get passed is that I'm friends with a bunch of Engineers--we're monotonous, can't act, and are generally boring people.

Don't know any random actors and/or theater majors?

I might try and talk to some guys.

[Tel Prydain]

Ah, you're still in Academia and not the real world. It explains so much.....
I can't tell if you're joking.....

[BlackMako85]

Don't know any random actors and/or theater majors?

I might try and talk to some guys.

Please do. I'd just love to see it happen.

[epyon]

I saw this, Why I am not familiar with this cut scene, I did watch a friend play thought an early part of God of War 2 and I thought a sequence in that was far worse than a cut scene that could be similar to scenes in a number of movies.

Another case of people too stupid to really speak accurately about a subject matter.

[Derella]

Honestly, these people admit that they haven't played the game. Yet they go on about how in Mass Effect you are a man who chooses how many women you have sex with? They claim their is full nudity? God. I hate these people. Bioware should sue their asses. People who know nothing about what they are talking about shouldn't be allowed to go on national TV and lie.

I love the woman who said that kids can play "dad's videogames" while he's at work. Uhm... Do they not understand the concept of parental controls? If you don't use them, kids could also watch dad's movies while he's not home. Fuck off.

[SilentScreams]

It's actually depressing to see so much concentrated ignorance in one video clip.
I've seen adverts for shower gel with more nudity than Mass Effect. Adverts that are played hundreds of times on daytime TV.

[DarkDaY]

saw this the other night, so glad I live in Canada.
Sorry for all those that are slightly represented to the rest of the world by fox news.

[Grey]

ignore the facts, tell people what they should hear.
welcome to modern TV - the source of all evil.



at least they picked the wrong game again - imagine if they picked The Witcher instead, were women are indeed objects :D

[Spigot]

The problem I can't get passed is that I'm friends with a bunch of Engineers--we're monotonous, can't act, and are generally boring people.Sounds like most of the people on that panel on Fox News :)

You're the opposite from me. I was the Biology major in University yet for some odd reason almost every one of my friends, to a man, was a drama student. Well, except my buddy the Poli-Sci major. Of course, he's the only one that I've stayed in touch with since university. Sigh.

[Chris_D]

As someone else said, this stupid "games are evil" shit is going to die off along with the generation that was not born into games. We just need to ride it out and make sure they don't get too zealous in their anti-games craziness.

It's a nice thought, but sadly we see a lot of people in the media, like on this panel, who must only be in their 30s, or at best early 40s, who seem as ignorant as any of the 50+ year old politicians these days. And then of course there are the 20 somethings who have been brainwashed by a diet of modern media and puritan parents, and the thought of even touching a game controller probably sends them into convulsions.

Anyway, I'm sure the tide is starting to turn, but just barely, and we'll be putting up with this kind of misinformation about our favourite hobby for a long time to come.

[Ancalagon]

It's a nice thought, but sadly we see a lot of people in the media, like on this panel, who must only be in their 30s, or at best early 40s, who seem as ignorant as any of the 50+ year old politicians these days. And then of course there are the 20 somethings who have been brainwashed by a diet of modern media and puritan parents, and the thought of even touching a game controller probably sends them into convulsions.

Anyway, I'm sure the tide is starting to turn, but just barely, and we'll be putting up with this kind of misinformation about our favourite hobby for a long time to come.

Well, hopefully those that play games out number those that are brainwashed. I think gaming is becoming more and more of an acceptable hobby.

so we just need to wait for the current generation who grew up playing Mario etc, to get into politics etc. Oh sure you will have stupid people in every generation, but hopefully the ratio of stupid to sensible will change in our favour.

[Johan]

This stuff will fade as old people die.

That would be a nice sig. :D

There is truly hope for the future! The old will die eventually! :)

[Roc Ingersol]

If someone really wanted to make a point, they could collect clips from the commercials that run on FOX News. There are bound to be some shampoo/soap ads with as much nudity and more than a few commercials with comparable sexual themes.

One could juxtapose Mass Effect clips with those ads for fun and profit.
(more the former)

Also: this stuff will not go away when old people die. There will still be people pitching products to puritans and they'll still gladly advertise on television shows and channels that cater to the puritan perspective. And those shows will always pitch them things to hate and things to make them feel superior with no regard for truth, law or reason.

[GunJ]

Right.

So basically it is okay to have in the very same America, an INDUSTRY devoted to creating porn movies, where drugged up, abused women are getting humped in the ass all day long, this being their best chance to make rent.

And at the very same time FoxNews is running a piece about some "digital nudity" in a video game ?

ARE YOU FECKING KIDDIN ME ? What kind of double standards and ocean of hypocrisy is that ?

(before someone starts yapping that I dont know what the hell I'm talking about, and that is totally irrelevant and not connected in any way - I go on record saying - u have my opinion I have stated mine.)

A country where mainstream news reporters are blowing such trivial shit out ouf proportions, while ignoring MTV's impact on youth development, and allowing a fully legal porn industry to blossom and create such masterpieces as "Midget dwarves humping barely legal black wet titties #12" needs to get bitchslapped and wake da hell up.

my 0.02$

PS dont be offended with "a country" - it is the same where I live - the media is precisely the same. (Except we are like five times poorer than you, and everything is twice as expensive.)
Basically the world is americanized beyond belief - I'm just stating a point here.

[Johan]

And those shows will always pitch them things to hate and things to make them feel superior with no regard for truth, law or reason.

As opposed to your view, which is apparently all sunshine, love, and MOST of all, humility! :D

[cppcrusader]

Right.

So basically it is okay to have in the very same America, an INDUSTRY devoted to creating porn movies, where drugged up, abused women are getting humped in the ass all day long, this being their best chance to make rent.

And at the very same time FoxNews is running a piece about some "digital nudity" in a video game ?

ARE YOU FECKING KIDDIN ME ? What kind of double standards and ocean of hypocrisy is that ?

(before someone starts yapping that I dont know what the hell I'm talking about, and that is totally irrelevant and not connected in any way - I go on record saying - u have my opinion I have stated mine.)

A country where mainstream news reporters are blowing such trivial shit out ouf proportions, while ignoring MTV's impact on youth development, and allowing a fully legal porn industry to blossom and create such masterpieces as "Midget dwarves humping barely legal black wet titties #12" needs to get bitchslapped and wake da hell up.

my 0.02$

PS dont be offended with "a country" - it is the same where I live - the media is precisely the same. (Except we are like five times poorer than you, and everything is twice as expensive.)
Basically the world is americanized beyond belief - I'm just stating a point here.

I agree, "Midget dwarves humping barely legal black wet titties #12" was a let down, #11 was far superior.

[Roc Ingersol]

As opposed to your view, which is apparently all sunshine, love, and MOST of all, humility! :DSure, EvAv, PA and every-other-gaming-blog passing around this story since it was an incoherent rant townhall.com is similar in that it is popular because it baits outrage and points a finger at morons.

However, these stories conform to reality. They are not fabrications nor do they resort to misrepresenting the other side. On the contrary - these stories endeavor to present the most accurate possible view of the facts at hand.

Therein lies the rub.

[roboninja]

Strange, we all know Fox News is Fair & Balanced. Must have been a mistake.

[Drayven]

I just love how the "Psychology Specialist" fully admits to never even playing the game and laughs when asked if she had. So basically Fox news pulls random people off the street who may or may not have read a book on psychology and asks them to comment on things they may or may not have any actual information about.

Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas..... really?

[OUX]

Right.

So basically it is okay to have in the very same America, an INDUSTRY devoted to creating porn movies, where drugged up, abused women are getting humped in the ass all day long, this being their best chance to make rent.

And at the very same time FoxNews is running a piece about some "digital nudity" in a video game ?

ARE YOU FECKING KIDDIN ME ? What kind of double standards and ocean of hypocrisy is that ?

(before someone starts yapping that I dont know what the hell I'm talking about, and that is totally irrelevant and not connected in any way - I go on record saying - u have my opinion I have stated mine.)

A country where mainstream news reporters are blowing such trivial shit out ouf proportions, while ignoring MTV's impact on youth development, and allowing a fully legal porn industry to blossom and create such masterpieces as "Midget dwarves humping barely legal black wet titties #12" needs to get bitchslapped and wake da hell up.

my 0.02$

PS dont be offended with "a country" - it is the same where I live - the media is precisely the same. (Except we are like five times poorer than you, and everything is twice as expensive.)
Basically the world is americanized beyond belief - I'm just stating a point here.
Since you spelled 'you,' with a 'u,' you don't get to have an opinion. Good day Sir.

[Lord_Don]

Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas..... really?

Buying Mass Effect for the sex is like watching Rambo for the dialog.

[BlackMako85]

Buying Mass Effect for the sex is like watching Rambo for the dialog.

You've been sigged!

[Bingley Joe]

If someone really wanted to make a point, they could collect clips from the commercials that run on FOX News. There are bound to be some shampoo/soap ads with as much nudity and more than a few commercials with comparable sexual themes.

One could juxtapose Mass Effect clips with those ads for fun and profit.
(more the former)

Also: this stuff will not go away when old people die. There will still be people pitching products to puritans and they'll still gladly advertise on television shows and channels that cater to the puritan perspective. And those shows will always pitch them things to hate and things to make them feel superior with no regard for truth, law or reason.


Oh there's absolutely no need to use content from their advertisers; the actual content on FOX News is already sordid enough:

MHEXzlNHC8Q
(possibly NSFW even though it's all taken directly from FOX)
:D

The simple fact is that they're just a bunch of mouth-breathing hypocrites with no journalistic integrity AT ALL.

I really feel sad for people who actually use them as their source of news.

[Achilles]

People should stop taking morning shows so seriously. Mass Effect wasn't covered by Fox News on any of the shows after 4pm. Morning shows are the same things that give us in-depth coverage of the people who are standing outside the studio, the weather, and sports game scores.

The two pundits were fair and balanced (they had one on each side and both got to present their argument in a clear way, which is the point of fair and balanced) but the panel was ridiculous, just a generic videogame ignorant crowd. You’d figure with tens of millions of people playing video games one or two of them would work their way into a position on the news.

It was not too long ago where I heard nearly the same stuff that was coming from that panel coming from a producer for the Today Show who was covering an event I was at (behind the scenes of course). Games are for kids, they shouldn’t have any adult content, any game with violence should be banned, etc. weaksauce.

[Ancalagon]

Games are for kids, they shouldn’t have any adult content, any game with violence should be banned, etc. weaksauce.

Before I misinterpret this comment, are you being serious or sarcastic here?

EDIT: Oh I get it, you were saying the panel producer was saying that stuff. Okay, gotcha.

I dont think the two pundits were fair and balanced, I had the feeling the presenter sided with the psychologist. And the psychologist wasnt even well informed at all - only adolescent males play games?

[Drayven]

She also wasn't a psychologist, look at the title under her name it's "psychology specialist"

[Achilles]

Before I misinterpret this comment, are you being serious or sarcastic here?

EDIT: Oh I get it, you were saying the panel producer was saying that stuff. Okay, gotcha.

I dont think the two pundits were fair and balanced, I had the feeling the presenter sided with the psychologist. And the psychologist wasnt even well informed at all - only adolescent males play games?The Psychologist was the one on the anti-mass effect side, and she showed in speaking how ignorant she was of the game. The host said a dozen times that she hadn't played it and then she said there wasn't anything on the website that she could find that was bad. She did seem to side with the Psychologist, but the video game guy on the pro-mass-effect side got to say his piece and they probably got equal airtime.

That's the bit about 'fair and balanced' that people don't get, it doesn't mean 'presents the view that is fair' it means 'presents both views in a way clear enough for people to make up their own mind'. It's about giving you information and allowing you to decide who's full of crap, rather than having that decision made by a producer behind the scenes before the show airs.

About the other sentance; yeah I was paraphrasing what the guy from the Today Show was saying. I needed to be polite so I just stood there and smiled, but man, old-world folks like that bug the heck out of me. And to know that the guy would be making decisions that would determine the only view the public would see of the event was depressing. It’s not like they’d bring on a guy from Spike to balance it out, it would just be the footage, and the anchor saying what he thought about the games at the event. But still a morning show, so not to be taken seriously anyway.

[Goronmon]

That's the bit about 'fair and balanced' that people don't get, it doesn't mean 'presents the view that is fair' it means 'presents both views in a way clear enough for people to make up their own mind'.It also doesn't mean one side can misrepresent the issue at hand and present false information as fact. How can people make up their minds if there is no accountability for fabricating evidence to support your position?

Would you consider it "fair and balanced" if you had a story questioning whether the world was round where one person stated that the world was in fact flat and provided "evidence" that this was true?

Sure, that's exaggeration, but my point is that just the fact that two sides are presented doesn't automatically make the piece "fair and balanced."

[Ancalagon]

The Psychologist was the one on the anti-mass effect side, and she showed in speaking how ignorant she was of the game. The host said a dozen times that she hadn't played it and then she said there wasn't anything on the website that she could find that was bad. She did seem to side with the Psychologist, but the video game guy on the pro-mass-effect side got to say his piece and they probably got equal airtime.

That's the bit about 'fair and balanced' that people don't get, it doesn't mean 'presents the view that is fair' it means 'presents both views in a way clear enough for people to make up their own mind'. It's about giving you information and allowing you to decide who's full of crap, rather than having that decision made by a producer behind the scenes before the show airs.

I'll watch the clip again when I get home to be sure, but I think that is what most people are irritated with - this wasnt fair and balanced.

Look at the headline - SexBox 360. Doesnt that suggest that the rumours are true, and that Mass Effect is a porn game?

Then also look at how your average viewer would perceive this:

There is this nice psychologist lady talking about how gamers cant distinguish reality from virtual....virtuality, and she says that only teen guys play games and that this game is wrong and bad. She must be right hey? then this weird gamer rudely asks her if she played the game, and shes like of course not, why should she? You dont need to murder someone to know that its wrong do you? Come on. then he says the scene is like 2 minutes in a 30 hour game, but like, the presenter totally cut him off because he was just ranting.

Then the panel said we need to be careful and not buy this game, and you know they are right. I think that Nintendo Wii system would be better - no disgusting games like this. the panel agreed with the psychologist, and they are always right.

/end dramatic portrayal of reaction.

I'll bet you could find a number of people who, if shown the clip, would agree with my statement shown above, and that shows how unbalanced it was.

[Achilles]

Would you consider it "fair and balanced" if you had a story questioning whether the world was round where one person stated that the world was in fact flat and provided "evidence" that this was true?

Sure, that's exaggeration, but my point is that just the fact that two sides are presented doesn't automatically make the piece "fair and balanced."So you're saying that viewpoints, such as people who believe the world is flat, shouldn't be presented and disproven by someone who should clearly have a very good argument why the earth is round. It's a balanced presentation of two viewpoints, one of which could easily be crazy and based on total lies and propaganda. If the argument is weak or false they're shredded by the opposing viewpoint and made to look like fools, just like this anti-mass effect lady was when she admitted she hadn't played the game and stated other things as facts which were said to be complete fabrications by the Spike guy who had played the game.

I'm not really afraid of receiving false information that I get to make fun of. And a lot of topics are more subtle than flat earth vs round earth, and when you don't get to hear both views on something that actually has 2 views, that's a problem. It's basically saying that I'm too dumb to filter out people who are obviously ignorant, so I should be coddled and only handed information that the show's producers deem to be correct.

Again this was a morning show, they don't really have any standards for fact checking. The host should have done more research if it were an actual prime-time report, but more people probably saw this clip on you-tube than the live broadcast.

[jamaicanrage]

Faux News does it again, eh? Props to Geoff for trying though.

[Achilles]

... and she says that only teen guys play games and that this game is wrong and bad. She must be right hey? then this weird gamer rudely asks her if she played the game, and shes like of course not, why should she? You dont need to murder someone to know that its wrong do you?

Come on. then he says the scene is like 2 minutes in a 30 hour game, but like, the presenter totally cut him off because he was just ranting... the panel agreed with the psychologist, and they are always right.

/end dramatic portrayal of reaction.

I'll bet you could find a number of people who, if shown the clip, would agree with my statement shown above, and that shows how unbalanced it was.You probably could, and then you'd find other people who heard that nobody opposed to the game had actually played it, and the accurate portrayal the guy from Spike gave of exactly what was in the game. People get to make up their own minds, it's scary I know, especially if you assume people are idiots and incapable of discerning the facts from 2 opposing points of view.

Let me put this a different way. Some people will always be ignorant, don't worry about those people. It's not worth castrating a discussion for because if they don't like what's being said they won't bother to hear it anyway. This discussion in particular wasn't worth the video it was taken with, again, it's a morning show. But other, better presented discussions with 2 opposing points of veiw, one of which could be filled with crap and falsehoods are entertaining to hear if you like debates and to hear how different viewpoints think.

I've seen a lot of news in my day. A whole lot of news, and I'm not so concerned for the state of mind of ignorant people who are just going to either hear what they want, or change the channel. So 'fair and balanced' being 2 points of view works just fine for me, and it's a hell of a lot more interesting than watching one guy ramble on unopposed for 2 hours like I used to when I watched C-Span and C-Span 2.

[Spigot]

Achilles, the problem with your definition of 'fair and balanced' is that it doesn't take into concideration whether the information portrayed by both sides is correct. In this scenario, they could have had someone who thought that there was too much sex in Mass Effect who at least presented an informed viewpoint and didn't present completely biased, sensational and patently false information.

Balanced, maybe. Fair? No way.

There's nothing wrong with having two sides presented in a debate unless one of the sides is completely uninformed and presents false information as fact. Yes, Geoff got a chance to try to refute her claims but the problem was that everyone in the panel that followed the 'debate' was equally uninformed and dismissed what he said out of hand. If the host had listened to what Geoff had said and taken the psychology specialist (or whatever she is) to task for exaggerating her claims, that would be fair. The problem, especially in this situation, is that a lot of the people who would watch this show would probably side with the anti-ME lady and the panel because they are the ones given a chance to air their ill-informed views. Had the follow up panel had a couple gamers or at least someone remotely informed about the game and games in general, it would be approaching fair.

Heh. If they want to pick a game apart for sex AND violence (and on a 'family' console no less), I can't wait to see what they have to say about No More Heroes.

[Kefkataran]

It's a nice thought, but sadly we see a lot of people in the media, like on this panel, who must only be in their 30s, or at best early 40s, who seem as ignorant as any of the 50+ year old politicians these days. And then of course there are the 20 somethings who have been brainwashed by a diet of modern media and puritan parents, and the thought of even touching a game controller probably sends them into convulsions.

Anyway, I'm sure the tide is starting to turn, but just barely, and we'll be putting up with this kind of misinformation about our favourite hobby for a long time to come.

Most people in their 30s and 40s still didn't grow up playing games. I'd suspect it's either my generation (I'm 22) or even more likely the next generation below mine that will be the first where nearly everyone has been exposed to and at least plays games a little bit. We've definitely got a ways to go, for sure, I'm just not sure there's much we can do besides wait it out and, you know, not be psycho killer sex addicts like everyone expects from gamers.

[Spigot]

Yeah. I'm 31 and while there are a lot of people my age who game, there are also a lot who don't or only play the odd sports game. I think it's the people 5-10 years my junior who will be the ones who have grown up playing a wide variety of games who will make up the majority and hopefully change the boogieman from games to whatever else is scaring old people 15 years from now :)

[KingGorilla]

Another thing is adults who play video games but do not think that they do. How many people have you met who say that they never play videogames but they play WoW, or Madden, or spend 6 hours of their work day on Minesweaper, Bejeweled, or on Yahoo games?

[TheKeck]

I think it's the people 5-10 years my junior who will be the ones who have grown up playing a wide variety of games who will make up the majority and hopefully change the boogieman from games to whatever else is scaring old people 15 years from now :)
I'm totally afraid of tipping over in vans. I'm going to write my congressmen about mandating the lowering of the center of gravity of all vehicles.

[KingGorilla]

Originally Posted by Spigot
I think it's the people 5-10 years my junior who will be the ones who have grown up playing a wide variety of games who will make up the majority and hopefully change the boogieman from games to whatever else is scaring old people 15 years from now
And you would be wrong. At 24, almost 25(fuck, I am getting old), my parents grew up playing videogames at arcades or theaters, etc. The Baby Boomers and the kids of flower power grew up with joysticks, grindhouse horror, and heavy metal's roots. Politicians are those out of touch model government types who start a Republican club in their Junior High. They are the overachieving little twats who spend their entire lives preparing for politics. Or they are of a political family.

[Goronmon]

I'm not really afraid of receiving false information that I get to make fun of. And a lot of topics are more subtle than flat earth vs round earth, and when you don't get to hear both views on something that actually has 2 views, that's a problem. It's basically saying that I'm too dumb to filter out people who are obviously ignorant, so I should be coddled and only handed information that the show's producers deem to be correct.What are saying makes absolutely no sense. The whole point is that people who haven't played Mass Effect or are into gaming will have no personal experience to filter out the false information. What is the point of having an open discussion if everyone is supposed to know the "right" answer before hand?

[KingGorilla]

Iron Maiden, Elvis, the Beatles seemed to do OK with detractors who never listened to their music, calling them devils, asking for boycotts, etc. I am just not sure is you guys understand how few people really watch cable news.

[IrishWhiskey]

It's basically saying that I'm too dumb to filter out people who are obviously ignorant, so I should be coddled and only handed information that the show's producers deem to be correct.....WTF....

Yes, it really is insulting your intelligence when news channels provide facts they believe to be true. I'd much rather they intentionally provide wrong information to me.

[IrishWhiskey]

Iron Maiden, Elvis, the Beatles seemed to do OK with detractors who never listened to their music, calling them devils, asking for boycotts, etc. I am just not sure is you guys understand how few people really watch cable news.Well CNN reaches over 1.5 Billion people worldwide on their own. So.... not many?

[Achilles]

Achilles, the problem with your definition of 'fair and balanced' is that it doesn't take into concideration whether the information portrayed by both sides is correct. In this scenario, they could have had someone who thought that there was too much sex in Mass Effect who at least presented an informed viewpoint and didn't present completely biased, sensational and patently false information.

Balanced, maybe. Fair? No way. Really I think the best the opposition to ME can do is the argument you see here. What are they going to say? "Side boob and dialog implying that sex may have taken place should be banned in video games!" Given that you can see that stuff in nearly any show on prime-time it's not even an argument. People who think ME's a porn game are nuts, and they have an insane argument which is basically "I haven't played the game, but games are for kids and should be like Mario and Pong.".

It's like watching the American Communist party convention, which I've done. I guess I'm just not bothered about this stuff. People have all kinds of whacked out political and social opinions and I’ve spent nearly every day of my life watching them articulate them.

I'm not holding this up as a shining example of fair and balanced. This is really isn't even that balanced as you pointed out, because the panel is all one way, so it’s like 30/70% even though the only non-kneejerk person is the guy from Spike. Again, this is a morning show. I'm just saying the theory behind fair and balanced is that both sides are presented and the viewer makes up their mind, which works 95% of the time on the prime-time shows that actually have accountability.....WTF....

Yes, it really is insulting your intelligence when news channels provide facts they believe to be true. I'd much rather they intentionally provide wrong information to me.Yes it is actually, because they're assuming that they know better than I do what I should be told. The Today Show's coverage of video games is the exact same as this panel but they think they know better so they don't even bother putting the guy from Spike on there. Everyone on this forum knows more about video games than the reporters on some morning news show, so why is it that they get to determine what opinions I hear.

[cppcrusader]

Politicians are those out of touch model government types who start a Republican club in their Junior High. They are the overachieving little twats who spend their entire lives preparing for politics. Or they are of a political family.

Such as Alex P. Keaton.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/slymarbo/keaton.jpg

[IrishWhiskey]

Really I think the best the opposition to ME can do is the argument you see here. What are they going to say? "Side boob and dialog implying that sex may have taken place should be banned in video games!" Given that you can see that stuff in nearly any show on prime-time it's not even an argument. People who think ME's a porn game are nuts, and they have an insane argument which is basically "I haven't played the game, but games are for kids and should be like Mario and Pong.". Thats only because you know the game and reject the premise outright. For any non-gamer parent at home, what they heard was "This game has full frontal nudity and is all about killing and having sex with people. These gamers are targeted toward kids, and studies prove it makes them more violent and objectify women." All of which was stated as fact, none of which the show producers or Fox anchors corrected. People who think its a porn game aren't nuts, they just aren't familiar with the game and got bad information. Which is what segments like this do.
It's basically saying that I'm too dumb to filter out people who are obviously ignorant, so I should be coddled and only handed information that the show's producers deem to be correct.Again, no one is objecting to hearing both sides of an argument. What they are objecting to is a news network accepting and even repeating blatantly false information, intentionally doing a sensationalist report with little regard for accuracy. I don't think its insulting my intelligence when news networks try to sort fact from fiction. Its kinda their job.

[KingGorilla]

Well CNN reaches over 1.5 Billion people worldwide on their own. So.... not many?

I am not sure where you get that from. CNN does not do that kind of tracking. It is impossible to do that kind of tracking. You just said that CNN gets to more people than the internet.

[IrishWhiskey]

I am not sure where you get that from. CNN does not do that kind of tracking. It is impossible to do that kind of tracking. You just said that CNN gets to more people than the internet.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN along with dozens of other places. It is very possible to track how many people with cable exist in each of your worldwide media markets.

[KingGorilla]

Then your reading comprehension needs some work. Being available to 1.5 billion people, and being WATCHED by 1.5 billion people is a very different manner. Last I saw, CNN's highest Nielsen ratings was something like 1.5 million when they had all the exclusive Princess Diana footage.

[Spigot]

Thats only because you know the game and reject the premise outright. For any non-gamer parent at home, what they heard was "This game has full frontal nudity and is all about killing and having sex with people. These gamers are targeted toward kids, and studies prove it makes them more violent and objectify women." All of which was stated as fact, none of which the show producers or Fox anchors corrected. People who think its a porn game aren't nuts, they just aren't familiar with the game and got bad information. Which is what segments like this do.
Again, no one is objecting to hearing both sides of an argument. What they are objecting to is a news network accepting and even repeating blatantly false information, intentionally doing a sensationalist report with little regard for accuracy. I don't think its insulting my intelligence when news networks try to sort fact from fiction. Its kinda their job.Thank you, Irish. That's exactly my problem with the arguement that Achilles was positing.

For we enlightened few, the position that Mass Effect is a sex simulator with loads of killing is ridiculous. For the majority of the people watching this show, they don't know any better. The 'news' doesn't bug me or concern me except for the fact that it's being reported as fact with nobody from Fox saying, "These people are batshit insane!"

And whether it's the morning show people saying this or the 11 O'Clock news saying it, it is still incumbent on the news organization itself to make sure they're fact checking. Of course, in this day and age, it's not about facts, it's about opinions and who can yell the loudest. I'm just happy I don't watch these kind of 'news' channels.

[IrishWhiskey]

Then your reading comprehension needs some work. Being available to 1.5 billion people, and being WATCHED by 1.5 billion people is a very different manner. Last I saw, CNN's highest Nielsen ratings was something like 1.5 million when they had all the exclusive Princess Diana footage.No, I think yours does. I never said it was watched by that many, I said it reached that many. That is correct.

I don't know how many people watch on a given day, but I do know that over 108 million people in the US alone were watching CNN during the month of April when the Iraq War started. And when you reach 1.5 billion people (like they do) I'm guessing their worldwide numbers on any given day are a little higher than 1.5 million.

[Achilles]

All of which was stated as fact, none of which the show producers or Fox anchors corrected. People who think its a porn game aren't nuts, they just aren't familiar with the game and got bad information. Which is what segments like this do.All of which was stated with the explicit preface that nobody who was opposing the game and stating this stuff like it was fact had played the game. Everyone admitted to not having played the game. If you believe them when they state something as a fact you have issues. You're assuming everyone who's not a gamer who's watching this a) cares enough to remember what was said, and b) is either dumb or incapable of parsing a debate. I'd rather have this kind of debate, than have it decided behind the scenes and then have it presented as fact, which is your chosen news delivery method given the two options. ....WTF....

I'd much rather they intentionally provide wrong information to me.In fact you prefaced it with a WTF as in ‘how could anyone want to see a bunch of non-gamer news panelists display how ignorant they are?’

Also this was not a good segment, I just don't think it was as bad as all that, and it would have been worse if it were not in the tradition of 'fair and balanced' with a pundit representing the game. I'll put "this was a stupid morning show and shouldn't be taken seriously" in my sig if it'll help.

[KingGorilla]

No, I think yours does. I never said it was watched by that many, I said it reached that many. That is correct.

I don't know how many people watch on a given day, but I do know that over 108 million people in the US alone were watching CNN during the month of April when the Iraq War started. And when you reach 1.5 billion people (like they do) I'm guessing their worldwide numbers on any given day are a little higher than 1.5 million.

Should we just kiss and make up? I said that on average times not many people watch cable News. At those peak times of interest, a lot of people will because they are the only outlets suited for constant coverage of wars, terrorist attacks, celebrity deaths. But on the day to day, like that buit with Mass Effect, or their normal programming, not many people are tuning in.

[IrishWhiskey]

Should we just kiss and make up?Eh... send pics first.

[Norse]

EA to the rescue (http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies):

The resulting coverage was insulting to the men and women who spent years creating a game which is acclaimed by critics for its high creative standards. As video games continue to take audiences away from television, we expect to see more TV news stories warning parents about the corrupting influence of interactive entertainment. But this represents a new level of recklessness.

Do you watch the Fox Network? Do you watch Family Guy? Have you ever seen The OC? Do you think the sexual situations in Mass Effect are any more graphic than scenes routinely aired on those shows? Do you honestly believe that young people have more exposure to Mass Effect than to those prime time shows?

This isn't a legal threat; it's an appeal to your sense of fairness. We're asking FNC to correct the record on Mass Effect.

Sincerely,

Jeff Brown
Vice President of Communications
Electronic Arts, Inc.

[NationalKato]

Wow, good on EA.

*lightning strikes National Kato, leaving only a small, grayish-blue mound of glitter*

yes, i'm made of glitter.

[torrefaction]

Wow. What a professional response to this situation. That's impressive.

[Spigot]

That is an awesome response from EA. I was thinking about this today and how there are often cases like this where someone blathers on about games and you always see members of the community coming forward to defend the games but rarely the companies.

It's good to see the company actually come out to defend its product against this kind of tripe.

[Ancalagon]

I hate to say this. God it burns my soul.

But EA - you done good.

[JayK47]

All this is and ever will be is jealousy and a desperate attempt at ratings. When ME sells more games than people watch CNN, things have changed. TV is becoming more and more obsolete. I hardly watch TV anymore. I spend more time on the computer. My TV is used for gaming. My entertainment time is much better spent on this forum and getting space booty in ME.

The main TV audience is/will be the baby boomers. People far more likely to believe in and be enraged with this type of crap. The same age as the politicians. So I do worry about my future as a gamer. When games like The Witcher need to be censored so us pussies living in the US don't get mentally scarred by the female breast, something is goddamn wrong. The hypocrisy really pisses me off. Arby's commercials are more sexually suggestive than ME. Most TV and commercials are. While TV uses sex to get more people to watch, the TV execs use what little sex is in video games to make them seem evil. Sad.

[Achilles]

That is an awesome response from EA. I was thinking about this today and how there are often cases like this where someone blathers on about games and you always see members of the community coming forward to defend the games but rarely the companies.

It's good to see the company actually come out to defend its product against this kind of tripe.You're right, it's refreshing to see a company complain when their product is unrightly attacked rather than just letting it go. Almost like it's a multi-billion dollar industry trying to defend itself rather than just being a punching bag for politicians and news people which is what it's always been in the past.

[Spigot]

You're right, it's refreshing to see a company complain when their product is unrightly attacked rather than just letting it go. Almost like it's a multi-billion dollar industry trying to defend itself rather than just being a punching bag for politicians and news people which is what it's always been in the past.I'm trying to decide if you're being sincere or sarcastic here... I hates the interweb!

[Achilles]

I'm trying to decide if you're being sincere or sarcastic here... I hates the interweb!Sincere! The games industry and the companies involved have been punching bags forever. How are they supposed to evolve into something on-par with movies in terms of audience and content if they won't even stick up for themselves over some side-boob. It's good to see them finally at least trying to defend their products.

[Vyzov]

Huh. EA just gained some respect in my books. Miracles can happen.

[Church42]

Wow, EA you were quickly turning into the red-headed stepchild in my mind...you earned some points back old friend!

I just love how they're making a big deal out of this...yeah, a kid (whose unsupervised) can pick up his father's copy of Mass Effect and play it and see 5-10 seconds of female body or they can hop on the internet, type in "boobs" and get ohh so much more than Mass Effect.

[Tel Prydain]

Wow. Thumbs up to EA.
:Shocked:

[Kefkataran]

EA's been slowly but surely working their way up as a shockingly good publisher. This latest move just helps all the more. Really fantastic response.

[Harkonnen590]

The main TV audience is/will be the baby boomers. People far more likely to believe in and be enraged with this type of crap. The same age as the politicians. So I do worry about my future as a gamer. When games like The Witcher need to be censored so us pussies living in the US don't get mentally scarred by the female breast, something is goddamn wrong.

I wouldn't worry too much. They'll all be dead soon. Just hope they don't take the rest of us with them.

[Spigot]

Sincere! The games industry and the companies involved have been punching bags forever. How are they supposed to evolve into something on-par with movies in terms of audience and content if they won't even stick up for themselves over some side-boob. It's good to see them finally at least trying to defend their products.I thought so, but you can't tell some times, especially when it comes to EA :)

Dubious Quality (http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2008/01/when-stupid-attacks.html) has a great transcript/write-up on this whole sorry affair. Take a gander.

[Hyperglide]

Un-fuckin-believable. American News is such BS i'm glad I don't live there to watch that tripe. You GO GEOFF! I'm glad he stood up for the game and what it stands for they were TOTALLY, way off base, maybe they should to more in depth research and actually PLAY THE FUCKIN' game instead of watch trailers and fanmade videos on google videos or youtube. I'm definetly NOT gonna llet FOX NEWS in my house, they are pathetic. Ms. douchebag psychiastrists says the dads don't play video games, and look at the demographcis? Uhm.. ok I don't know if she pulled the figures out of her ass or they were from 1995, but she's totally inaccurate. It's not their dads? WTF i'm 28 years old and I LOVE video games and grew up on them, christ almighty, this is just too pathetic for words. I'm spent!

[Spigot]

I love the description on DQ's blog about the panel guest.

"Man digitally inserted from a 1950's newscast:"

Hee hee.

Speaking of which, what the hell is Princess Enchanted Brides?

[Kefkataran]

Nice blog catch, Spigot! Thanks for the linky.


Speaking of which, what the hell is Princess Enchanted Brides?

More importantly, who the fuck is this dude who can't finish levels in a game with that title? I rarely say this phrase, but man the fuck up, Fox News Guy.

[Wolvie]

Thank you EA that NEEDED to be said. Also if someone could go into fox news and tell them to do some god damn RESEARCH when doing a news piece it might help with that little thing called 'integrity'.

[Atepsflame]

Bravo to EA for that. Nice to see a publisher stand up for itself. It's time this industry started flexing its muscles.

[Kefkataran]

Thank you EA that NEEDED to be said. Also if someone could go into fox news and tell them to do some god damn RESEARCH when doing a news piece it might help with that little thing called 'integrity'.

I'm not really in the business of defending Fox, but in their (minor) defense, I wouldn't really call the piece that was aired "news." It was more of talk show/debate thing. But yes, obviously research still should have been done. Not that Fox News has had a bit of integrity in years anyway.

[UnderHero5]

EA's been slowly but surely working their way up as a shockingly good publisher. This latest move just helps all the more. Really fantastic response.

Well that's not hard when you buy every development studio under the sun ;)

[Kefkataran]

Well that's not hard when you buy every development studio under the sun ;)

I couldn't've imagined myself saying this a year ago, but here goes: Better EA than Activision.

[KingGorilla]

One should not speak ill of Blactivision.

[Kefkataran]

One should not speak ill of Blactivision.

I went there, and I shall again.

[UnderHero5]

I couldn't've imagined myself saying this a year ago, but here goes: Better EA than Activision.

That, I agree with. Activision has been horrible for the last year or two.

I actually have no big qualm with EA, these days. They aren't my favorite publisher, but they are far from my least favorite.

[Spigot]

Nice blog catch, Spigot! Thanks for the linky.
You really should be reading that blog on a regular basis. I started reading it after Agentgray pointed me at it and I'm concistantly astounded by how dead on the guy is... about everything.

Well, the odd post about his son is a little shmaltzy, but the game industry stuff is great and his friday links are all over the place.

[Deadend]

Oh god, I just figured out fox news.

Everything said is Op/Ed. EVERYTHING.

The news is the tiny bar at the bottom.

[Kefkataran]

Oh god, I just figured out fox news.

Everything said is Op/Ed. EVERYTHING.

The news is the tiny bar at the bottom.

You think you're disgusted at this revelation, just wait until you actually read that tiny bar and see what they pass off as the real news.

[Deadend]

You think you're disgusted at this revelation, just wait until you actually read that tiny bar and see what they pass off as the real news.

My TV is too crappy to read that bar. It's a bit like playing Dead Rising, but more annoying.

[Kefkataran]

My TV is too crappy to read that bar. It's a bit like playing Dead Rising, but more annoying.

You're a lucky, lucky man.

[Talanvor]

Thanks a lot, I'm pretty sure I lost many brain cells listening to that... idiocy.

OMG I hate having to parent my kid. Actually talking to them and building a relationship with your child is so difficult! Why can't we just go back to Pacman and Pinball?

How many of you want to put money down that they have maids (illegal or no) that raise their children far more than they do?

[Beelzebud]

If they get it this wrong about a video game, just consider what they do for politics.

[Spigot]

Ok. I was watching TechTV today and they had a little crawl along the bottom about EA's response to the story. It was funny because they warned people watching to remove any food or drink they had in their mouth before running the story and then finished the crawl by hoping that any viewers didn't choke while reading the story.

Hee hee.

[Lord Nerdious]

...TechTV ...


Dude... TechTV still exists?

[Spigot]

Dude... TechTV still exists?Well, to a certain degree up here in the wild and wooly north. It's called G4TechTV and unlike the travesty you have down there, we have a bunch of tech related shows up here plus stuff like X-Play and *shudder* AotS.

I refuse to call it just G4 because it's not the steaming turd that the American version of G4 is...

[Matches Malone]

Hmm, sonething about that segment really pissed me off. Maybe it's that the psycologist came off as a stuck up misinformed idiot. Gee, wonder who Fox favored. I hope they thought they were really clever showing alien booty when the guy commented about there being no frontal nudity. Another shining example of people who don't understand the industry trying to criticize it.

[karak]

My ex-professor has been writing a paper on tv/videogames effect on children and so he saw this. He has now completed Mass Effect(first videogame he has ever played), and his brother in law works at Fox in the copy-edit department somewhere. He emailed them basically stating "I don't play games but after seeing your show I decided to play Mass Effect to use as an example for my article concerning entertainment and it's effect on kids/people in general. No where in the game is anything such as you suggested. I find this highly suspect." Blah blah blah.
Best thing is, his brother at Fox called him and started asking questions all about it and is going to try to push the writers for some kind of response. Supposedly the brother in law said that a HUGE amount of people were trying to tell the writers about this and that it was incorrect and they could be shown to be incorrect and the writers ignored them.
I am waiting for him to call me this saturday to tell me what else was said. I am sure nothing will come out of it but its nice to know that other people INSIDE the show were trying to fix the situation.

[Spigot]

That's some very interesting news, karak. Keep us posted if you hear anything else.

[Chris_D]

Very interesting.

[KingGorilla]

Dude... TechTV still exists?

www.twit.tv and www.revision3.com as well as Cranky Geeks and DL.TV.

[Teh Super King]

Guys, I have to go kill some people now, because my young mind can't separate video games from real life... While I'm at it I"m going to go find a blue woman to have sex with because I saw some digital skin.

If I get caught killing people I know who to call... Jack Thompson he'll be able to get me off because I was corrupted by these evil video games.

[Mighty Jesus]

Unless you kill them WHILE having sex with them. Isn't that the most patriotic act on the Big List Of Patriotism?

Only if you sex them to death with Old Glory.

[karak]

That's some very interesting news, karak. Keep us posted if you hear anything else.

Well as I am sure you heard this morning. The most they are willing to do is argue and invite people on. They have stated that for the time being no retractions are being made and going back over it just gives a mature game more sales and advertising. When faced with the facts even from within their own organization (basically it appears someone showed them a video of what occurs versus a video of a police show-not sure which one- and they STILL refused to do anything)
Whatever.

[Harkonnen590]

I hope they thought they were really clever showing alien booty when the guy commented about there being no frontal nudity.

The joke is on them because they just showed the most sexually explicit part of ME on on their show, with no warning. I should write in and complain that my kid raped someone after seeing that evil side boob.

[Dr. Douche Nozzle]

I think the people at Fox New are living under rocks. but the one thing that piss' me off about my country is they would rather see someone torturing someone instead of some sex.

[FreezaSama]

I think the people at Fox New are living under rocks. but the one thing that piss' me off about my country is they would rather see someone torturing someone instead of some sex.

Sadly, it seems to extend beyond Fox News, and I really can't understand it.