Anonymous Declares War on Scientology

[Slack3r78]

Been following this one for a few days now. Apparently Anonymous (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Anonymous) has decided that its next arbitrary target is none other than the Church of Scientology. So far, things seem to be limited to DDOSes against the CoS' website and floods of prank calls, but I'm curious to see where this might end up given the combination of the CoS' litigiousness and Anonymous' hunger for lulz.

Anonymous has even issued a press release, which can be found here:
http://howtorockstar.blogspot.com/2008/01/press-release-anonymous-declares-war-on.html

[bKangy]

I hate the idiot kid *channers but I hate Scientology faaar more.

[Hellbug]

This is one war I can't take a part in. Stupidity VS. Stupidity? Count me out. I mean, jeebus, the pike wars actually had a side I could join without feeling guilty. Someone have the MJ popcorn .gif? We need that, now.

[J3DI]

That ae site feaks me out. Why'd you have to go and post it? Couldn't you just have linked some other internet description or even the fox news youtube about them....

I don't know what is going on and I doubt I'll ever even care. LULZ?

[Ancalagon]

Well personally I think anyone who declares war on scientology is good.

[Teh Super King]

Someone have the MJ popcorn .gif? We need that, now.

http://upit.section31.us/uploads/jackson4.gif

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/28/Anonymousdelivers.jpg

Edit: Watching the FoxNews 11 vid on Anonymous and I can't stop laughing...

"Truly epic lulz come from raids and invasions...branded with an I"

[Lord_Don]

Wow, where do I sign up to help?

[Heretic Machine]

This can only end in tears.

[Slack3r78]

Wow, where do I sign up to help?

ebaumsworld

[Ink Asylum]

This could be amusing, although Anonymous is too easily distracted. They can lash out quickly and with surprising fervor, but they don't have the patience to keep up the fight.

[Rock Bandit]

I know these Anonymous guys think they're hot shit but they might be biting off more than they can chew. Scientologists have strange powers...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/victorrobinson/tomcruise.gif

[IrishWhiskey]

Prank phone calls and defacing web-sites? Yawn.

Wake me up when its an actual war.

[Lord_Don]

Wake me up when its an actual war.

Where's Ebaums going to get laser-guided bombs?

[iHap]

Where's Ebaums going to get laser-guided bombs?

They steal them. It's all they know how to do.

[Deadend]

Anon hates Ebaum.

It's like the Iraq-v-Iran war, except no one dies, or cares.

[Vermillion]

Isn't blocking access to the Scientology website mean they are stopping the free speech they say the church is in fact blocking?

Sorry anon, you are no better than the people you fight on this one. Retards. And that hurts because I disapprove of the methods of Scientology.

[Slack3r78]

Isn't blocking access to the Scientology website mean they are stopping the free speech they say the church is in fact blocking?

Sorry anon, you are no better than the people you fight on this one. Retards. And that hurts because I disapprove of the methods of Scientology.

As somebody on reddit commented about a similar complaint, "Dude, you're talking about Anonymous."

I think expecting rationality is a bit of a stretch.

[Krispy]

Anonymous is fighting a guerrilla war. The ends justify the means in their eyes so there is nothing about their methods that you could point out to counteract their spite.

[Sammael]

Too bad we can't hope that they would end up killing eachother off and we'd all live in a better world.

I do appreciate the jokes anon usually do, but then they take themselves WAY too seriously.

[IrishWhiskey]

I do appreciate the jokes anon usually do, but then they take themselves WAY too seriously.Are you kidding? Anonymous is an advanced world-wide terror network that has planted car bombs and nearly blew up the Superbowl. Anyone who doesn't take them as a serious threat to this country is a damn fool.

WKFOx0UYrzs

[Ancalagon]

Fox 11 Investigates should be renamed Fox 11 Fabricates.

[Deadend]

Fox 11 Investigates should be renamed Fox 11 Fabricates.

I can imagine that the piece was written by an intern... for the luls. Just to see how much BS could b made up.

[Karamazov]

In other news, Warren Ellis approves (http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=5476#comments).

[Lord_Don]

Warren Ellis has been busy in the interwebs.

[joshkdmw]

This put a spring in my step!

That video is freaky as shit, though. I wonder if it's just one dedicated member, or if there really is a mass of people willing to attack.

Either way, this will be entertaining to watch.

[King Drewsky]

Damn. Anonymous is taking these guys down quick. They have posted up Scientologists secret documents up on Digg using Mediafire storage. Now all Mediafire links are failing to load as they are getting nailed by people downloading the Church's documents.

[Primus]

Habbo raids are awesome but this one seems stupid. I do not see this being all that funny.

[mr. murphy]

Habbo raids are awesome but this one seems stupid. I do not see this being all that funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

They deserve it. Anonymous is basically using their own tactics against them.

[Sl1pstream]

Ugh.

On one side, there's Anonymous, which pretty much consists of internet bad boys who think they're though because they call themselves hackers. On the other side there's Scientology, a group that's willing to do anything from brainwashing to stalking.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm with Anonymous on this one. That being said, they're in way over their head.

[mr. murphy]

Ugh.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm with Anonymous on this one. That being said, they're in way over their head.

You think? I'd put my money on Anon after reading about the way Scientologists work. They create extensive plans and conspiracies - but you can't really conspiricize against anonymous internerds who won't let you do anything computer related.

Some people seem to think Anon is a group of people who meet up and communicate. While their are those haXorz that call themselves Anonymous and meet on IRC, Anon also includes the rest of the internet, basically anybody who wants to jump on and cause Scientology a problem.

I think Anon's biggest threat in this case is simple loss of interest. If they push at it for as long as it takes, they could take down Scientology.

[Deepsleeper]

This is like watching a pair of five year olds throw bricks at each other.

[roboninja]

I had never heard of this group called "Anonymous". I liked it better that way.

[joshkdmw]

This is like watching a pair of five year olds throw bricks at each other.

Exactly It's very entertaining.

No matter who loses, we win!

[bKangy]

I normally really hate Anonymous for being a bit childish and smalltime, but if this happens, all the power to them:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/460/1201116421097ig4.jpg

[Lord_Don]

Seems like they're doing something worthwhile this time. When I heard they flooded their callcenters and rick-roll'd them I couldn't help but laugh and cheer.

[phantomhitman]

go anonomouse!!!

[digitalErich]

It's been almost two weeks since the declaration and still no CW style "I'm with Anonymous" banner...I'm disappointed.

[King Drewsky]

It's been almost two weeks since the declaration and still no CW style "I'm with Anonymous" banner...I'm disappointed.

Marvel pushed it back a few weeks because McNiven is still working on the pencils.

[Ink Asylum]

There's no way Anonymous can take down Scientology. At best, they will cause numerous headaches and public relations setbacks. Perhaps they will manage to obtain more documents and pull back the curtain on the Church a bit, but that's about it. Scientology may try to retaliate somehow, perhaps tracking down a couple individuals, but it's unlikely they'll be able to inflict much retribution. Whatever happens, it'll be amusing.

[captainstrombosis]

Very entertaining.

[J Arcane]

I never thought I'd actually say this about anything that came from 4chan, but Go Anonymous. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ)

Scientology scares the shit out of me. ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU)

[Disgustipated]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

They deserve it. Anonymous is basically using their own tactics against them.

I love it. Scientologists will cry foul, but it's all something they should be used to.

[Lord_Don]

Anonymous has posted the full 40 minutes of the Tom Cruise video. Last night they took down the majority of Scientology's international pages and scientology.org itself was up and down sporadically.

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[phantomhitman]

hell yez, go nonymooses!!

[YoungAlCapone]

Scientology has definitely made a formidable foe in Anonymoose.

[CaptStu]

From Anonymous:

JCbKv9yiLiQ

[Devolution]

Isn't blocking access to the Scientology website mean they are stopping the free speech they say the church is in fact blocking?

Sorry anon, you are no better than the people you fight on this one. Retards. And that hurts because I disapprove of the methods of Scientology.

It's only a violation of freedom of speech if you consider the words of Scientology to be something other than brainwashing and subconscious tactics. Dangerous cults don't deserve freedoms.

[Slack3r78]

ZfKQ75F0XsA

This made my day by 9:00am.

[TrackZero]

Ugh.

On one side, there's Anonymous, which pretty much consists of internet bad boys who think they're though because they call themselves hackers. On the other side there's Scientology, a group that's willing to do anything from brainwashing to stalking.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm with Anonymous on this one. That being said, they're in way over their head.

Agreed on all counts.

[JoyOfJoys]

They tag and track the people while and after they protest freely. This kind of intimidation and suppressive tactics is exactly why the CoS disgusts and scares me so much. If the CoS got into any state of legislative power, you know they would ban such activity without batting an eyelid. They would do so much worse to those who don't believe or those who don't fit in with their world view. It's an agenda driven scam-cult with only it's self interest under consideration.

[Lord_Don]

It looks like February 10th is going to be Picket Your Local Org day.

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[walkstheplanes]

So is there any new news on this?

[Pnorcio]

4b6rSkMcSNE

he's so seriously guys. seriously.

srsly though.

[Sl1pstream]

I didn't want to ask this question, but is he serious? Usually I'd say no, but considering the Tom Cruise Video...

[Disgustipated]

4b6rSkMcSNE

he's so seriously guys. seriously.

srsly though.

ROFL! That guy reminds me of Will Ferrell. I really hope that's satire, because if he's serious... SO SERIOUS!

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Hey, that's me!

Just kidding - I'm not that serious. :p

Scientologists freak me out. I walk by their "church" everyday on my way to work, and one more than one occasion I've been invited to a seminar or to take a free "stress test."

They actually have the right idea when it comes to prescription drugs, but that's where the sanity ends.

[Tel Prydain]

This made my day by 9:00am.

Read the rundown of the protest.
= WIN

[Nexus]

I normally really hate Anonymous for being a bit childish and smalltime, but if this happens, all the power to them:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/460/1201116421097ig4.jpg

Is that serious? Cos if it is I might just pop along to see if anyone turns up, that could be real freaky. Or it could be two skinny little guys wearing darth vader masks looking uncomfortable.

[Shadowstorm]

We are everyone and we are no-one, we are Anonymous, we are legion, we do not forgive, we do not forget, we are the face of chaos and the harbingers of judgment.

[Tel Prydain]

No one is saying that they are not a tad lame... but two thumbs up if they are going to take a swipe at Scientology.

[OUX]

4b6rSkMcSNE

he's so seriously guys. seriously.

srsly though.

Zuv--Y_o4Eg

[Kryopsis]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8400/laughingmanbw3.png

[Shadowstorm]

ZfKQ75F0XsA

This made my day by 9:00am.

That video wins this thread.

[harle]

Is that serious? Cos if it is I might just pop along to see if anyone turns up, that could be real freaky. Or it could be two skinny little guys wearing darth vader masks looking uncomfortable.Its definitely serious. There are a ton of IRC channels for each church of scientology location. Its only been a day since an IRC channel went up for the church by me, and 12 people have already confirmed they will be there February 10th.

For those interested, one of the main Anonymous sites still up is Project Chanology
(http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/).

[shadow_runner777]

I'm curious to see if they fully understand who there going against. Don't get me wrong I despise Scientology, but there lawyers and second only to those of the catholic church and I seen enough evidence to reasonably conclude that they will sue, and it won't be pretty. I applaud there effort though and I hope it does some damage to the leadership.

[Sandman]

Stupid is as stupid does....

[OUX]

I'm curious to see if they fully understand who there going against. Don't get me wrong I despise Scientology, but there lawyers and second only to those of the catholic church and I seen enough evidence to reasonably conclude that they will sue, and it won't be pretty. I applaud there effort though and I hope it does some damage to the leadership.

Uh...who are they going to sue again?

[Ink Asylum]

Uh...who are they going to sue again?

They'll take the RIAA's approach, and try to drag any individuals they can gather evidence against into court, to hopefully cause a chilling effect. Won't work, but for anyone that finds themselves having to spend money on a lawyer to go up against Scientology it'll suck.

[harle]

I'm curious to see if they fully understand who there going against. Don't get me wrong I despise Scientology, but there lawyers and second only to those of the catholic church and I seen enough evidence to reasonably conclude that they will sue, and it won't be pretty. I applaud there effort though and I hope it does some damage to the leadership.Their lawyers can do nothing in this situation. That is the genius of Anonymous. They are...well...all anonymous. Everyone that is involved in this situation knows the measures the church of scientology will take to quiet the opposition. Most of the people at the peaceful protests will be wearing masks to hide their identity.

The main goal I would like to see is that the church of scientology lose their tax exemption status. Its utterly absurd that they label themselves as a church, yet the majority of their organization is for-profit. Hell, they pay the people with the e-meters commission based on how many people they sign up.

[The Bashar]

Wow that Mr. Fetch guy Godwind-ed this thing to death. How is anonymous = Nazis? KKK? I watched about half of his movie before I gave up.

[Sinistar]

Let's not confuse one Anonymous with another Anonymous.

u_B9leibw04

[H2o Ninja]

Go, anon, go!

Oddly enough, Scientology is moving into a center somewhere here in the South Loop of Chicago...

[Slack3r78]

The main goal I would like to see is that the church of scientology lose their tax exemption status.
That happened back in the 80's AFAIK. I know it went to the SCOTUS back then, at any rate.

[harle]

That happened back in the 80's AFAIK. I know it went to the SCOTUS back then, at any rate.They are still tax exempt. It must have lost in court.

[MORGiON]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8400/laughingmanbw3.png

Funny, I thought of the same thing. Damn fine anime too.

[Sl1pstream]

They're labeled as a cult and (I think) a criminal organization here.

[DarkDaY]

They're labeled as a cult and (I think) a criminal organization here.
Cause they are, glad to hear somewhere in this world there is a lucid enough country to see what is what when it comes to them.

I have no idea what Canada thinks, but knowing us, we probably just think its ok as long as no one gets hurt or something like that.

wheres my pot

[Slack3r78]

They are still tax exempt. It must have lost in court.

According to wiki, they originally lost tax exempt status in 1967, but regained it through a settlement in the early 90's. Lame.

[harle]

According to wiki, they originally lost tax exempt status in 1967, but regained it through a settlement in the early 90's. Lame.The Internal Revenue Service revokes CSC's tax-exempt status, citing three reasons:

* Scientology practitioners are profiting from the "non-profit" Church;
* The Church's activities are commercial;
* The Church is serving the private interests of L. Ron Hubbard (a practice known as inurement).

Scientology denounces the revocation, declares its intention to ignore the decision and withholds payment of taxes for the next 26 years.


Then:

L. Ron Hubbard devises the Snow White Program for Scientology's intelligence agency, the Guardian's Office (GO), in an effort to root out and remove "false files" about the Church and Hubbard held by governments around the world. This becomes a sophisticated worldwide espionage operation targetting 17 governments and three international organisations.

The Church of Scientology places plants and bugs the IRS for 4 years, then "The FBI raids Scientology's headquarters in Washington, DC and Los Angeles. The GO is taken by surprise and tens of thousands of incriminating documents are seized, including complete records of the infiltration and burglary of the IRS and other government departments."

The IRS places a lien on the Scientology's Los Angeles headquarters, the Cedars of Lebanon complex. Scientology appeals against the IRS tax assessment for the years 1970-72. Lots of litigation follows.

Scientology hires private investigators to investigate the personal lives (and, as L. Ron Hubbard's theories on "suppressives" would have it, the "crimes") of senior IRS officials involved in the ongoing Scientology litigation.

Scientology leader David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun, another senior Scientology official, claim to have held an unscheduled meeting with IRS Commissioner, Fred T. Goldberg Jr. Miscavige offers to drop all the suits against the IRS if Scientology is given tax exemption. Goldberg agrees and creates a special five-member working group under Howard M. Schoenfeld to resolve the dispute, bypassing the agency's exempt organizations division, which normally handles those matters - an exceptionally unusual arrangement.

In Washington DC, the IRS formally announces exemptions for about 150 Scientology entities. Remarkably, this includes at least one body which is an explicitly for-profit commercial organisation: the IRS accepts that the publication of Hubbard books by Bridge Publications is a charitable activity. The IRS declares the agreement secret, despite its legal obligation under Internal Revenue Code section 6104 to disclose information submitted to the IRS by tax-exempt organizations.

Link (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/timeline.html)

Edit: There are a ton of people that should be attending the protest of the Church of Scientology in my area. I'm guessing 100+.

[Tel Prydain]

I crave more new on this.....
I was going to see if there was a Scientology branch in New Zealand I could visit on the 10th... but ironically they are still blocking the site with a DOS attack, so I'm not sure where they are located. :D

Penny-Arcade has some related links today.
And the site for updates for the raid is http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology

[Suave Peanut]

There is a "Church" in Nashville... I'm tempted to join the raid...

[Sl1pstream]

There seems to be a raid for Belgium and the Netherlands too. Page has problems loading though. I might join in.

Ugh, just an adress. Any idea if there's some sort of webpage where raids are discussed? I don't feel like taking a train all the way to Ukkel just to find out I'm the only one there.

[Tel Prydain]

There seems to be a raid for Belgium and the Netherlands too. Page has problems loading though. I might join in.

Ugh, just an adress. Any idea if there's some sort of webpage where raids are discussed? I don't feel like taking a train all the way to Ukkel just to find out I'm the only one there.

Try here: http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/

[Sl1pstream]

Okay, I'm going to Amsterdam, I think. It's a little further, but at least they've made plans there.

[snubber]

Hmm, think I'll have to hit the LA one with the camera to see all the hub-bub.

[Lord_Don]

Try here: http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/

It's so nice to see the raids are still happening and are going more legit. I plan on hitting the local Salt Lake org with a few other folks, maybe even videotaping it. Lets hope Anonymous (everyone, really) can keep the pressure up and either make Scientology reform or lose their tax exempt status.

[Tel Prydain]

Interesting stuff. Some stupid kids there, but some good folk doing good work too. And some very interesting tactics from the Scientology 'handlers'.

Orlando test protest 2 (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?t=620) (100 people)
Manchester Test protest Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lmm-9tChB0)
Orlando Test protest 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfKQ75F0XsA)
Toronto test protest (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTEZwAFNWqo)
New York test protest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cGtUd_zBEA)

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/788/My%20Documents/mini-IMG_1720.JPG
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/788/My%20Documents/mini-IMG_1712.JPG

[brokenFUN]

there not from 4chan. they all chill at 7chan.

[Sl1pstream]

Ugh, I'm torn between having fun while protesting and not going out of fear of being arrested (the warnings against bringing any form of id and paying everything in cash before and after the protest so you couldn't be traced kinda do that, fucking paranoia).
I'm not sure if I'm willing to drag a sign along with me either. I guess I could do flyers.

[Tel Prydain]

It’s creepy – All report the Scientology handlers taking photos of them, most report the Scientology handlers trying to get personal information and several report being followed afterwards.
What's more, a lot of this is on video - so you know they are not making this up.

[harle]

Ugh, I'm torn between having fun while protesting and not going out of fear of being arrested (the warnings against bringing any form of id and paying everything in cash before and after the protest so you couldn't be traced kinda do that, fucking paranoia).
I'm not sure if I'm willing to drag a sign along with me either. I guess I could do flyers.Eh, im not too worried about it. I ordered one of the official Guy Fawkes (http://www.amazon.com/V-Vendeta-Official-Costume-Mask/dp/B000Q76K6U/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1202088672&sr=8-2) masks to wear, like most everyone is doing to hide their identity. Everyone who I know that is going will take public transit to and from the Church, so that helps also. Most of us will be handing out flyers.

I don't see why you would be arrested, though. Just make sure to cover your face, and dont drive away in a car, but use public transit.

[harle]

It’s creepy – All report the Scientology handlers taking photos of them, most report the Scientology handlers trying to get personal information and several report being followed afterwards.
What's more, a lot of this is on video - so you know they are not making this up.Wear a mask, take public transit, and if someone is following you, take their picture or video tape them and go to the nearest police station.

Edit: It's a shame that we have to take these measures, but Scientology is fucking crazy, and they will go to extreme measures to take out people who oppose the church.

[Tel Prydain]

I notice that some Wellington blips have popped up on the map, so I might have to visit them

[harle]

Recent news about Scientology: French Scientologists Arrested in Italy (http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=116530).

Three French members of the Church of Scientology, suspected of holding a fourth person against their will, were arrested Monday in Nuoro, Sardinia, a local police spokesman told AFP...

Police were alerted by a phone call that reported cries for help coming from a house on Mount Ortobene, near Nuoro, said Mustaro. Officers found a 47-year-old woman of Tunisian origin sleeping semi-naked on a mattress infested with vermin. She was subsequently hospitalised. Three other people at the house, a 42-year-old woman and two 18-year-old men, one of Tunisian origin, were arrested and charged with kidnapping.

Also, to catch a glimpse of just how crazy Scientology is, here is the 2007 Scientology OT Summit Event (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/7b2ecf5ffdfc8f4b?hl=en#d51056faaf0ed3ee). Its completely insane.

[Sl1pstream]

Eh, im not too worried about it. I ordered one of the official Guy Fawkes (http://www.amazon.com/V-Vendeta-Official-Costume-Mask/dp/B000Q76K6U/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1202088672&sr=8-2) masks to wear, like most everyone is doing to hide their identity. Everyone who I know that is going will take public transit to and from the Church, so that helps also. Most of us will be handing out flyers.

I don't see why you would be arrested, though. Just make sure to cover your face, and dont drive away in a car, but use public transit.

Sold out on amazon.co.uk and it'll probably take longer than a week to arrive if I order it from amazon.com. I think I'm going to look for a surgical mask. I'll find something to cover my hair/eyes, I think.

[Slack3r78]

there not from 4chan. they all chill at 7chan.

No, they're from ebaumsworld.

[Tel Prydain]

I'm enjoying the drama. :)

[DarkDaY]

watching just a bit of the ot summit made my stomach sick.

I really don't know what to say. Going to go throw up now.

[Rogue_hunter]

This is tempting, but I don't know if I'd actually go. Still, I hate Scientology, so this is a great idea.

[Tel Prydain]

And the classic Time peice: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972865,00.html)

Not only that, the main deposition (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Scientology:+Steven+Fishman+Depositi on)Steven Fishman is all there on video. To hear it all is chilling... it starts out slow, but soon it will be making you feel ill. To hear him talking about the CoS telling him to go ‘end of cycle’ (suicide) and then hear him having a moral dilemma, wondering if he maybe should obey them.

[Ultima Thulian]

I can has epic lulz?

[Lance Uppercut]

It is protest day here in America, but the estimated numbers have come in from other parts of the world and the general consensus is that these IRL raids are not made of fail.

Anon estimates (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?t=1737) place the numbers around 2000 so far, with 200-300 in Sydney and 300-500 in London alone.

I'm surprised Anonymous was able to get off their computer chairs and come out in force like this.

[Tel Prydain]

The thing is, I doupt that a bulk of these people are 'Anonymous' per-say.
Scientology only has 400-500 here, but I know that there we small scale protests (20 or so people) in Auckland and Christchurch. I'm not a 'Anonymous' member, but if there was a Scientology building here in Wellington I'd have gone myself.
There are a lot of people who know the truth about Scientology, and who have always wanted to do something about it - all it needed was the spark. I imagine that they will be the ones to carry on once 'Anonymous' have gotten board and gone back to whatever it is they do.

[Suave Peanut]

Oh definitely, most of the protesters are non-Anons. To me, that's the significant part of this whole Project. The chans working together with ebaumers and goons and the like. I'm not a member of any of them and I support it fully.

You know... cats and dogs living together, etc.

[Lance Uppercut]

The thing is, I doupt that a bulk of these people are 'Anonymous' per-say.
Scientology only has 400-500 here, but I know that there we small scale protests (20 or so people) in Auckland and Christchurch. I'm not a 'Anonymous' member, but if there was a Scientology building here in Wellington I'd have gone myself.
There are a lot of people who know the truth about Scientology, and who have always wanted to do something about it - all it needed was the spark. I imagine that they will be the ones to carry on once 'Anonymous' have gotten board and gone back to whatever it is they do.

Anonymous only gets bored when victory is declared. I remember they hounded white supremacist Hal Turner for months on end until he was relegated to even further obscurity.

With the kind of turnout and media coverage this is getting, I expect they'll be milking out plenty of lulz for some time.

[Sl1pstream]

Just got back from Brussels a few hours ago. While there were only 30-40 of us, it was fun.

[Krispy]

Just got back from Brussels a few hours ago. While there were only 30-40 of us, it was fun.

Just that there is a turnout of that magnitude around the world is pretty impressive.

[Superman's Dead]

You know... cats and dogs living together, etc.

It'll be anarchy!

[Sl1pstream]

Just that there is a turnout of that magnitude around the world is pretty impressive.

IDONGETIT.

[Lance Uppercut]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2353/1202666100024om9.jpg

So far, 67 reported raids with around 6000 participants, not including St. Louis and Washington and some other parts.

It would be hilariously ironic if the final tally was over 9000.

[Tel Prydain]

Interesting (read the caption) http://flickr.com/photos/23632728@N03/2254491444/in/set-72157603882937341/

London: Holy crap - That's a lot of people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcRCjtoZNBs

Birmingham TV news coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4BQdr0kHK8

Scientology gets RickRoll'd (loud, turn your speakers down): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpjcZNM8_k

Bay news: http://www.baynews9.com/VideoPlayer/?Scientology_Protest_210

Auzzie News: http://youtube.com/watch?v=riEWuci2fWY

And someone's remix http://youtube.com/watch?v=mxjv3XkP8Wo :D

A constantly updated summery of the day: http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Raid_Archive/2008-02-10

[mightbe]

Very interesting set of results. Seems like the protesters had fun and nobody got hurt.

I think the most impressive part of the reports I've read is that local law enforcement seemed to be level headed and even friendly in response to the Anons.

[Johan]

What will they actually accomplish? Nothing.

[mightbe]

What will they actually accomplish? Nothing.

Much like Scientology's war on psychology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfu7Sr50N7U
hfu7Sr50N7U

[Johan]

What the motherfuck...what the HELL did I just listen to for two minutes before stopping?

These are truly some crazy mothers.

Much like Scientology's war on psychology.

I forgot to add; it sounds more like they're waging a war against communication and the English language, actually. Man...what a load of vacuous nonsense from that guy.

[mightbe]

The smartest minds in Scientology.

[Tel Prydain]

If they annoyed them even for one day, I’d call that a win.
And the leaflets they’ve handed out may do some good.

[Tel Prydain]

What the motherfuck...what the HELL did I just listen to for two minutes before stopping?

These are truly some crazy mothers.

Think that's crazy? Listen to the Steven Fishman deposition and you'll crap your pants.

[Lance Uppercut]

What will they actually accomplish? Nothing.

At the very least, this will shed a little more light on Scientology's actions. A little awareness goes a long way.

[mightbe]

Youtube links, tel!

[Tel Prydain]

FcRCjtoZNBs





Scientology gets RickRoll'd
(loud, turn your speakers down):
OHpjcZNM8_k





riEWuci2fWY

[harle]

The Scientology raid in Portland, OR was a success! We had well over 100 people at its peak. There were Scientologists in the building constantly filming us. There was also a blue truck parked outside that had someone in it video taping us. It was great to see the number of people passing by interested and asking questions. One anonymous person went in to the church to get a free stress test. He was quickly removed by the security guard.

Overall, I would call this a huge success. This is gaining so much media coverage.

[phantomhitman]

sweet, keep it up guys. i would protest here, but NC is in the south. and we dont let that shit happen in da south.



:)

[Dukefrukem]

sweet, keep it up guys. i would protest here, but NC is in the south. and we dont let that shit happen in da south.



:)

In the words of Brian Griffin, The country's changed, that is, except the South.

[Squidbot]

What will they actually accomplish? Nothing.

Yeah, that's the spirit! Apathy is the way forwards!

[netcraazzy]

This is actually getting more media attention than I thought. They were talking about it on the radio this morning while I was driving to work.

[phantomhitman]

In the words of Brian Griffin, The country's changed, that is, except the South.
so so so true...sigh

[Johan]

Yeah, that's the spirit! Apathy is the way forwards!

I had a witty reply, but I was too apathetic to bother. :D

[Squidbot]

I had a witty reply, but I was too apathetic to bother. :D

Touché, sir!
Xenu causes apathy, FACT!

[Lord_Don]

Touché, sir!
Xenu causes apathy, FACT!

Clear this man's Thetans!

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Damn, I wish I had gone down to check out the protest in MPLS on Sunday. I live just a few blocks from the CoS here. I even walk by it every day on my way to work - that would have been fun to watch for a bit. :)

[Rakael]

I love anonymous. The very idea makes me smile. The shit they pull and pictures they post make me laugh.

[Telefrog]

The Scientology raid in Portland, OR was a success! We had well over 100 people at its peak. There were Scientologists in the building constantly filming us. There was also a blue truck parked outside that had someone in it video taping us. It was great to see the number of people passing by interested and asking questions. One anonymous person went in to the church to get a free stress test. He was quickly removed by the security guard.

Overall, I would call this a huge success. This is gaining so much media coverage.

I saw a bit of news coverage about this and the San Diego "raid" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23637168@N05/sets/72157603887577097/) and I guess I don't get it. What does this accomplish, really?

I don't think a bunch of losers in V masks are going to bring about the downfall of Scientology anytime soon. I know, the argument is that the media coverage this generates puts a spotlight on the "evils" of Scientology, but that's just self-congratulatory fantasy.

Most of us already know Scientology is stupid. We don't need to be shown how stupid it is again. The only people paying any attention to this already believe Scientology is dumb (and think this is funny) or they are believers (and are outraged) and no amount of 'leet' raids will convince them otherwise.

[Wraith]

If nobody's linked to it yet:
http://deathboy.livejournal.com/1082404.html

Also:
http://www.bunny-comic.com/strips/110208.png (http://www.bunny-comic.com/index.php?id=1097)

[Rakael]

I saw a bit of news coverage about this and the San Diego "raid" (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23637168@N05/sets/72157603887577097/) and I guess I don't get it. What does this accomplish, really?

I don't think a bunch of losers in V masks are going to bring about the downfall of Scientology anytime soon. I know, the argument is that the media coverage this generates puts a spotlight on the "evils" of Scientology, but that's just self-congratulatory fantasy.

Most of us already know Scientology is stupid. We don't need to be shown how stupid it is again. The only people paying any attention to this already believe Scientology is dumb (and think this is funny) or they are believers (and are outraged) and no amount of 'leet' raids will convince them otherwise.

At least they are doing something. Of course it won't have much, if any effect on Scientology. It is mainly just to push their buttons. I think it is fucking awesome.

[Telefrog]

At least they are doing something. Of course it won't have much, if any effect on Scientology. It is mainly just to push their buttons. I think it is fucking awesome.

Well, in that case, I'm "doing something" as well. I'm trolling around on a forum about it. I have as much effect on Scientology with my effort as they do with theirs.

As a joke, or counter-culture mini-movement, this is cool. As as an actual bit of serious social enginering, it's not much at all.

[Rakael]

Well, in that case, I'm "doing something" as well. I'm trolling around on a forum about it. I have as much effect on Scientology with my effort as they do with theirs.

And you have just as much effect on a forum no scientology member will ever see, as opposed to a big ass group of people in front of their offices. K.

I think people may be surprised by what anon. can pull off. At the very least, they are keeping those kooks on their toes. I think the people videotaping them and taking pictures shows that they are spooked.

[Tel Prydain]

Most of us already know Scientology is stupid. We don't need to be shown how stupid it is again. The only people paying any attention to this already believe Scientology is dumb (and think this is funny) or they are believers (and are outraged) and no amount of 'leet' raids will convince them otherwise.

The argument is not that Scientology is stupid, but that Scientology is dangerous. An important destination.

[JoyOfJoys]

What does this accomplish, really?


I guess if one or two people turned away because what they have learned, it would of been a great thing for them. If seeing the people out there sewed the seeds of doubts into the minds of those already in there, it would be great for them too. Maybe the manpower invested does not seem worth that chance to you though. :P

[Tel Prydain]

Well, in that case, I'm "doing something" as well. I'm trolling around on a forum about it. I have as much effect on Scientology with my effort as they do with theirs.

Really? Have you passed out over 2000 leaflets? How many people, who knew nothing about Scientology, have you enlighted today?

[Tel Prydain]

If nobody's linked to it yet:
http://deathboy.livejournal.com/1082404.html


Great read. Thanks!

I'll admit, I'm totally won over...

[Telefrog]

Really? Have you passed out over 2000 leaflets? How many people, who knew nothing about Scientology, have you enlighted today?

How many people have they "enlightened" with their campaign? Do you have hard numbers? Are there testimonials of former CoS members that have tearfully and gratefully seen logic thanks to these brave men and women? Any people on the brink of joining who thankfully were rescued before they signed over their money?

[Tel Prydain]

How many people have they "enlightened" with their campaign? Do you have hard numbers? Are there testimonials of former CoS members that have tearfully and gratefully seen logic thanks to these brave men and women? Any people on the brink of joining who thankfully were rescued before they signed over their money?
Do you have any evidence that they didn't?

With over 6000-8000 people, and more leaflets then you could reasonably count, it’s a fair call to say that they have raised awareness.

[GrinR]

The argument is not that Scientology is stupid, but that Scientology is dangerous. An important destination.

Scientology isn't dangerous. Drunk driving is dangerous. I'm not afraid of Scientologists coming to my house to help me make my life better, I'm afraid of drunk drivers, Al Qaida, violent criminals, and cancer showing up to make my life gone.

Scientology doesn't even rate.

[harle]

Scientology isn't dangerous. Drunk driving is dangerous. I'm not afraid of Scientologists coming to my house to help me make my life better, I'm afraid of drunk drivers, Al Qaida, violent criminals, and cancer showing up to make my life gone.

Scientology doesn't even rate.Scientology IS dangerous to those who oppose it. Its also dangerous to those children whos parents deny them any medical care because it is strictly forbidden in Scientology. There are numerous other reasons why.

Telefrog, the reason we did this raid is to raise awareness on the tax exemption status of the church of scientology. Just about every state representative in the house is being hammered with letters detailing why the Scientology should not be tax exempt. Here is one letter that some people have been using:

[Representative] ___________,

I'm writing you today to ask that you revoke the Church of Scientology's tax exempt status.

In the 1990s, the Church of Scientology used blackmail to cow the IRS into recognizing it as a non-profit charitable organization. In truth, the Church of Scientology is a money-making machine -- and a particularly dangerous one at that, with a documented pattern of deception, harassment, spurious litigation and bringing irreparable mental and physical harm upon an unknown number of American men, women, and children.

As evidence of Scientology's threats to democracy, free speech, and the freedom of American citizens continue to come to light, I feel compelled to ask you, as my representative, to treat Scientology as it deserves to be treated: as an increasingly wealthy and dangerous organization that should, at the very least, be required to pay taxes.

Scientology, just like any cult, exists for the simple ends of making money and recruiting new members. It should not get a free pass from the government when it comes to paying taxes on its enormous earnings.

As your constituent, I will be eagerly monitoring the outcome of this letter-writing campaign.

Sincerely,
[full name]
[city, state, zip]

Sure, its not the best written letter, but if enough support is generated and the representatives take notice, then that is a good starting point. Now, with the raids, scientology is making headlines across the world. Most of the news stations have been pretty positive towards Anonymous. This gives us even more support.

There were a ton of people walking by in Portland that stopped and chatted with us. Of course they first asked about the masks. Once we told them why we were there they had pretty positive things to say. So, I know we will not bring down Scientology anytime soon, but if we can get the word out on the absolutely ridiculous reasons why they have tax exemption, that would be a victory in my book. If we actually get their tax exemption status taken away, that millions they would lose every year.

If you guys want, I could link to some of the major news stations that covered this. Im not the most informed person on this subject, but if you have any questions, i might have some answers. :)

[GrinR]

Scientology IS dangerous to those who oppose it. Its also dangerous to those children whose parents deny them any medical care because it is strictly forbidden in Scientology. There are numerous other reasons why.

Presumably Christian Scientists are also on your hitlist then. Look, you can play funny games with protesting or handing out flyers dressed as Blade or that dude from Strider, but the cold hard fact is that it's just fun and games. The Church of Scientology is a well-established organization that is damned easy to avoid - hell, I don't think I've ever met a Scientologist in my whole life.

[Slack3r78]

Presumably Christian Scientists are also on your hitlist then. Look, you can play funny games with protesting or handing out flyers dressed as Blade or that dude from Strider, but the cold hard fact is that it's just fun and games. The Church of Scientology is a well-established organization that is damned easy to avoid - hell, I don't think I've ever met a Scientologist in my whole life.

Hey, I agree there are bigger problems in the world to tackle, but Scientology isn't exactly a benign organization, either:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_snow_white

[GrinR]

Hey, I agree there are bigger problems in the world to tackle, but Scientology isn't exactly a benign organization, either:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_snow_white

"Eleven highly-placed Church executives, including Mary Sue Hubbard (wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard and second-in-command of the organization), pleaded guilty or were convicted in federal court of obstructing justice, burglary of government offices, and theft of documents and government property."

I guess this just doesn't scare me. They look out for their own. Surprise, surprise. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's not exactly protest worthy.

[Tel Prydain]

Scientology isn't dangerous. Drunk driving is dangerous. I'm not afraid of Scientologists coming to my house to help me make my life better, I'm afraid of drunk drivers, Al Qaida, violent criminals, and cancer showing up to make my life gone.

Scientology doesn't even rate.

I’ll admit I’m a little shocked that you, of all people, would say that.

As far as I’m aware, ‘Al Qaida’ has yet to manage infiltration of the US government, let alone manage to wiretap government phone and steal ‘inconvenient’ documents. I find it crazy that 11 Scientologists (one being the wife of the founder) were arrested for doing just that, but the CoS was permited to continue.

What other valid religion considers it’s holy books to be ‘Trade Secrets’? The Church of Scientology aggressively litigates against anyone who is critical of them, and shuts down discussion of their beliefs citing the ‘trade secrets’ whose copyrights they own.
The Church of Scientology demands that members pay to take courses, so that they may one day ‘cross the bridge’ of enlightenment. Individual courses range from $50 to $3000, and members have become hopelessly in dept.
How the heck did they get to be tax free, exactly?

The Church of Scientology’s harassment of its critics is legendary. From individual protesters, to BBC Documentary producer John Sweeney - The Church of Scientology’s ‘Fair Game’ policy instructs members to do anything in their power to discredit Scientology’s critics.

The Church of Scientology’s ‘disconnection policy’ breaks up families and social networks, forcing members to rely solely on the ‘Church’ for support. The CoS have held people against their will (and been convicted for it), and withheld vital medicine that have resulted in more then one death.
The leadership of the Church of Scientology asked former Scientology member Steven Fishman to ‘go end of cycle’ (kill himself) when he was arrested for participating in a securities class action fraud scheme with other Scientology staff members. His case is provable (the details are available in public court documents), but he is FAR from the only case where this has been claimed.

[harle]

Presumably Christian Scientists are also on your hitlist then. Look, you can play funny games with protesting or handing out flyers dressed as Blade or that dude from Strider, but the cold hard fact is that it's just fun and games. The Church of Scientology is a well-established organization that is damned easy to avoid - hell, I don't think I've ever met a Scientologist in my whole life.We wear masks because Scientology has a very well documented history of coming after those people who oppose them. Hell, they had three people among the crowd constantly videotaping, as well as 5 or 6 people inside the building taking our pictures. It may seem like fun and games, but this is a serious issue. If you look past the stupid masks, and listen to the issues we raise, it would be easier to see. Scientology is a dangerous cult, and it has ruined so many lives with the way it handles its members.

Or why not talk about how Scientologists infiltrated the FBI and IRS for 4 years (as well as 17 other governments), destroying data about the church, and compiling information that it later used against the IRS so it could gain back its tax exemption status. That seems like a pretty dangerous organization to me.

And just because you have not been personally affected by the church does not mean you should raise no concerns about them. Whats so bad with raising awareness about the bullshit tactics they use to lure people into their organization, or stories of families who have been completed broken apart.

Edit: Just to be clear, we are not protesting against the the religious beliefs of scientologists. People can believe whatever the hell they want. Its the tactics of the organization of Scientology to ruin the lives of their members and their families that we have concerns with (by breaking up families and systematically taking away most of the money of its members.

[J Arcane]

"Eleven highly-placed Church executives, including Mary Sue Hubbard (wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard and second-in-command of the organization), pleaded guilty or were convicted in federal court of obstructing justice, burglary of government offices, and theft of documents and government property."

I guess this just doesn't scare me. They look out for their own. Surprise, surprise. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's not exactly protest worthy.
I look at it as there being a large, wealthy, powerful criminal organization being allowed to run rampant with little to no real intervention on the part of the government.

If the level of governmental response to, say, the Russian Mafia, was as lax and non-existent, wouldn't you be kinda peeved?

[harle]

I look at it as there being a large, wealthy, powerful criminal organization being allowed to run rampant with little to no real intervention on the part of the government.Regarding how they got their tax exemption status back:

Scientology leader David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun, another senior Scientology official, claim to have held an unscheduled meeting with IRS Commissioner, Fred T. Goldberg Jr. Miscavige offers to drop all the suits against the IRS if Scientology is given tax exemption. Goldberg agrees and creates a special five-member working group under Howard M. Schoenfeld to resolve the dispute, bypassing the agency's exempt organizations division, which normally handles those matters - an exceptionally unusual arrangement.

Edit: Lets keep the story going:

Scientology leader David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun, another senior Scientology official, claim to have held an unscheduled meeting with IRS Commissioner, Fred T. Goldberg Jr. Miscavige offers to drop all the suits against the IRS if Scientology is given tax exemption. Goldberg agrees and creates a special five-member working group under Howard M. Schoenfeld to resolve the dispute, bypassing the agency's exempt organizations division, which normally handles those matters - an exceptionally unusual arrangement.

Ref: New York Times, 9 March 1997

* 19 Jan 1992

John E. Burke, the assistant commissioner for exempt organizations, agrees to Scientology's demand that its the bulk of its financial details should be kept secret.

Ref: New York Times, 9 March 1997

* 29 June 1992

The US Claims Court upholds the IRS' longstanding denial of a tax exemption for Scientology's Church of Spiritual Technology. The ruling strongly supports the agency's concerns over the commercial nature of Scientology and other matters. It states that the corporate structure of Scientology was "something of a deceptus visus. Real control is exercised less formally, but more tangibly, through an unincorporated association, the Sea Organization..."

Scientology claims that the ruling has ignored the facts and is filled with "gratuitous comments".

Ref: New York Times, 9 March 1997

* 13 Aug 1993

The IRS agrees to grant tax exemptions to every Scientology entity in the United States, plus foreign entities based in the UK and Cyprus. The Church files new applications for exemptions as part of the agreement.

* 10-14 Sept 1993

Two IRS tax analysts write internal memoranda saying that they have been instructed to ignore substantive issues in reviewing the new Scientology applications.

[GrinR]

I’ll admit I’m a little shocked that you, of all people, would say that.

As far as I’m aware, ‘Al Qaida’ has yet to manage infiltration of the US government, let alone manage to wiretap government phone and steal ‘inconvenient’ documents. I find it crazy that 11 Scientologists (one being the wife of the founder) were arrested for doing just that, but the CoS was permited to continue.

What other valid religion considers it’s holy books to be ‘Trade Secrets’? The Church of Scientology aggressively litigates against anyone who is critical of them, and shuts down discussion of their beliefs citing the ‘trade secrets’ whose copyrights they own.
The Church of Scientology demands that members pay to take courses, so that they may one day ‘cross the bridge’ of enlightenment. Individual courses range from $50 to $3000, and members have become hopelessly in dept.
How the heck did they get to be tax free, exactly?

The Church of Scientology’s harassment of its critics is legendary. From individual protesters, to BBC Documentary producer John Sweeney - The Church of Scientology’s ‘Fair Game’ policy instructs members to do anything in their power to discredit Scientology’s critics.

The Church of Scientology’s ‘disconnection policy’ breaks up families and social networks, forcing members to rely solely on the ‘Church’ for support. The CoS have held people against their will (and been convicted for it), and withheld vital medicine that have resulted in more then one death.
The leadership of the Church of Scientology asked former Scientology member Steven Fishman to ‘go end of cycle’ (kill himself) when he was arrested for participating in a securities class action fraud scheme with other Scientology staff members. His case is provable (the details are available in public court documents), but he is FAR from the only case where this has been claimed.


You don't need to sell me on CoS being a wildly successful cult. I'm just putting it into perspective. Catholicism has been around for a zillion years extorting tithes and doing ten times more harsh things than Scientology - and still does! - every day. Do they get tax breaks? Sure. Should they? No. What do you want from me? I'm spending all my time trying to convince people it's worth having a country where we're even able to choose these things.

You want to avoid Scientologists? Pretend you've never heard of them and bingo, you're there. You want to avoid Catholics? Easy peezy, just hurry by the church when you see them. You want to avoid Islamists, man, you better learn to run or fight for your life.

[GrinR]

We wear masks because Scientology has a very well documented history of coming after those people who oppose them. Hell, they had three people among the crowd constantly videotaping, as well as 5 or 6 people inside the building taking our pictures. It may seem like fun and games, but this is a serious issue. If you look past the stupid masks, and listen to the issues we raise, it would be easier to see. Scientology is a dangerous cult, and it has ruined so many lives with the way it handles its members.

Or why not talk about how Scientologists infiltrated the FBI and IRS for 4 years (as well as 17 other governments), destroying data about the church, and compiling information that it later used against the IRS so it could gain back its tax exemption status. That seems like a pretty dangerous organization to me.

And just because you have not been personally affected by the church does not mean you should raise no concerns about them. Whats so bad with raising awareness about the bullshit tactics they use to lure people into their organization, or stories of families who have been completed broken apart.

Edit: Just to be clear, we are not protesting against the the religious beliefs of scientologists. People can believe whatever the hell they want. Its the tactics of the organization of Scientology to ruin the lives of their members and their families that we have concerns with (by breaking up families and systematically taking away most of the money of its members.

I see the dangerous cult, and I see education about their behavior (and litigation where necessary!) as A-OK, right on. I just see protesting as more of an ego stroke for the protesters than a meaningful methodology of thwarting the CoS negative behavior.

Personally, I'd have more respect for mass-infiltration. Lets see 50-100 "scientologists" come out with videotape and recordings of these nefarious behaviors and really blow the lid off it. Protests CoS is essentially immune to, hell they own Hollywood. As a conservative I can tell you fighting Hollywood is a waste of time.

I'd also recommend filming them. Film them anonymously at all times. Document everything. Tyranny is absolutely fucking allergic to transparency and the accountability that usually follows.

[Drinking_Buddy]

I see the dangerous cult, and I see education about their behavior (and litigation where necessary!) as A-OK, right on. I just see protesting as more of an ego stroke for the protesters than a meaningful methodology of thwarting the CoS negative behavior.

I understand where you are coming from, but from what I have seen and read, this is not the case. They have been able to get the attention of "normal" everyday people and educate them. There have also been praised by former Scientologist and local communities who are not happy with the church. I remember in one protest in Australia, they where joined by one woman who was protesting because her ex-husband is trying to bring her 7 year old son into the church and disconnect her. She had a sign that said, "Scientology brainwashes children" and her shirt said. "My Son is 7, I am trying to save him."

I've decided to join in on one of the protest in March, if they really are acting egotistical, I'll let you know/

Personally, I'd have more respect for mass-infiltration. Lets see 50-100 "scientologists" come out with videotape and recordings of these nefarious behaviors and really blow the lid off it. Protests CoS is essentially immune to, hell they own Hollywood. As a conservative I can tell you fighting Hollywood is a waste of time.

I'd also recommend filming them. Film them anonymously at all times. Document everything. Tyranny is absolutely fucking allergic to transparency and the accountability that usually follows.

No, mass-infiltration would not work, because it would require ALOT of money (in order to get deep into the church you have to spend around a thousand dollars and countless hours of "auditing") Along with the church's "Sec Checks" (basically interrogation), every time you do something suspicious. And thats even if there allowed to carry that kind of equipment. There have been many reports of members being force to work grueling shifts with little down time.

And even if they did manage to sneak out some video, what they video taped was copyrighted and the church was unleash there stream of laywers to sue and seize the information.

Besides, a British TV show already did that, a couple of years ago and it didn't really change anything.

Honestly, protesting is the best weapon, because it shows the public just how crazy the church is. Go check out xenutv.com and look at some of the protest videos and see them harass and act crazy. The Church really its own worst enemy.

[Tel Prydain]

You don't need to sell me on CoS being a wildly successful cult. I'm just putting it into perspective. Catholicism has been around for a zillion years extorting tithes and doing ten times more harsh things than Scientology - and still does! - every day. Do they get tax breaks? Sure. Should they?
Has Catholicism been convicted of deliberately infiltrating government agencies with the intent of wiretapping and theft of documents? Does Catholicism consider it’s holy books to be ‘Trade Secrets’? Does Catholicism ask it’s members to dissociate from their family? Does Catholicism make people pay thousands of dollars per chapter of the Bible? Does Catholicism ask its members to commit suicide to save face in public? Catholicism might object to the odd cartoon, but they don't set people to stalk the people who made it.

I think Catholicism is a far cry from Scientology.
No. What do you want from me? I'm spending all my time trying to convince people it's worth having a country where we're even able to choose these things.

You want to avoid Scientologists? Pretend you've never heard of them and bingo, you're there. You want to avoid Catholics? Easy peezy, just hurry by the church when you see them. You want to avoid Islamists, man, you better learn to run or fight for your life.

Difference is, 'Extreme' Islamists are a everyday problem in Europe - but it's kinda easy to tell them, 'cause they are so damn loud about what they are trying to do. 'Extreme' Islamists are not a big issue for the USA (yet) in the same way.
Scientology is a threat to the US right now. They are functioning at a very high political level, with a lot of money to get what they want. Scientology’s dedicated effort to recruit the rich and famous have resulted in spokespeople who are capable of giving them a false legitimacy in the eyes of the easily manipulated, while their contacts, lawyers and money let them hold sway over people in power. They manipulate the legal system and use it like a weapon to bludgeon it’s perceived enemies.

I’m right there with you Islamist Extremists – they are obviously something to worry about, and in the future they could be a threat in your everyday life. But short of hoping that Europe grows some balls, there isn’t a lot you can do practically.
Meanwhile, the Xenu story has (in an odd way) helped Scientology – everyone thinks that they are a bunch of wackos, and completely overlooks that they have positioned themselves to be able to pull the strings of the entire American nation – there are multiple provable instances of them influencing laws, controlling (or censoring) the press, using ‘star power’ to win over youth and bleeding their members of every cent.

[Johan]

Things are already changing. Scientologists are leaving the "religion" in waves, Hollywood is crumbling, and governments around the world are acting en masse against the racketeering criminal enterprise that is Scientology.

Oh...woops. Sorry. Check all of that. :D

[harle]

there are multiple provable instances of them influencing laws, controlling (or censoring) the press, using ‘star power’ to win over youth and bleeding their members of every cent.So true. Here is an instance of them influencing the press:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfu7Sr50N7U

Seriously. If anyone wants to see how fucked up Scientology really is, just watch the other parts of the New Years Eve event.

[mightbe]

Heh. I already posted that in this thread.

[GrinR]

Has Catholicism been convicted of deliberately infiltrating government agencies with the intent of wiretapping and theft of documents? Does Catholicism consider it’s holy books to be ‘Trade Secrets’? Does Catholicism ask it’s members to dissociate from their family? Does Catholicism make people pay thousands of dollars per chapter of the Bible? Does Catholicism ask its members to commit suicide to save face in public? Catholicism might object to the odd cartoon, but they don't set people to stalk the people who made it.

I think Catholicism is a far cry from Scientology.

Difference is, 'Extreme' Islamists are a everyday problem in Europe - but it's kinda easy to tell them, 'cause they are so damn loud about what they are trying to do. 'Extreme' Islamists are not a big issue for the USA (yet) in the same way.
Scientology is a threat to the US right now. They are functioning at a very high political level, with a lot of money to get what they want. Scientology’s dedicated effort to recruit the rich and famous have resulted in spokespeople who are capable of giving them a false legitimacy in the eyes of the easily manipulated, while their contacts, lawyers and money let them hold sway over people in power. They manipulate the legal system and use it like a weapon to bludgeon it’s perceived enemies.

I’m right there with you Islamist Extremists – they are obviously something to worry about, and in the future they could be a threat in your everyday life. But short of hoping that Europe grows some balls, there isn’t a lot you can do practically.
Meanwhile, the Xenu story has (in an odd way) helped Scientology – everyone thinks that they are a bunch of wackos, and completely overlooks that they have positioned themselves to be able to pull the strings of the entire American nation – there are multiple provable instances of them influencing laws, controlling (or censoring) the press, using ‘star power’ to win over youth and bleeding their members of every cent.


I hate to break it to you, but you sound more like a crazy person to me than Tom Cruise. Call me when Scientologists blow something up.

[Tel Prydain]

Ironically I could point you at all the court papers, documentaries and news papers…. more then enought damning envidence. But go ahead and dismiss it.

[GrinR]

Huh. Checked out what Irish and the other left wingers think of you lately?

Ironically I could point you at all the court papers, documentaries and news papers…. more then enought damning envidence. But go ahead and dismiss it.

I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying that if nothing at all is done about Scientology, you'll end up with a very successful cult and a good number of people with screwed up homes. If nothing is done about Islamists, everyone but them will be dead or enslaved. I'm picking the latter as the issue to attend to.

I've only been trumped in this logic by climate change, btw.

[broodax]

Well, I don't particularly like Scientology, the fastest growing "religon" *cough* cult *cough* and I don't like hackers, I'm siding with the hackers here...Wow, Scientology must be bad if I'm siding with hackers.

[Deadend]

I once posted in /b/, does that make me Anonymous?

[Tel Prydain]

I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying that if nothing at all is done about Scientology, you'll end up with a very successful cult and a good number of people with screwed up homes. If nothing is done about Islamists, everyone but them will be dead or enslaved. I'm picking the latter as the issue to attend to.

I've only been trumped in this logic by climate change, btw.

*cough* I spoke in anger and am editing my previous post.
Sorry about that - it was unfair, and rude. :o

Still think you're wrong, but whatyagoingtodo?

[Lunar Blue]

I once posted in /b/, does that make me Anonymous?

There is a little anonymous living in every mirror, don't worry.

[Sl1pstream]

Well, I don't particularly like Scientology, the fastest growing "religon" *cough* cult *cough* and I don't like hackers, I'm siding with the hackers here...Wow, Scientology must be bad if I'm siding with hackers.

Anon aren't just hackers. Or /b/ for that matter.

[Wonda Mic]

That stuff they do to people is serious business, but going into habbo hotel and lining people up in a Nazi Swastika, is just harmless fun. Offensive, but... it is the interweb.

[Telefrog]

Do you have any evidence that they didn't?

With over 6000-8000 people, and more leaflets then you could reasonably count, it’s a fair call to say that they have raised awareness.

Yes, a high leaflet dispersal count is the best measure of success, obviously. :rolleyes:

My evidence that it's accomplishing nothing much at all? Well, Scientology doesn't seem to be buckling under the massive pressure. I certainly haven't observed any popular support for the movement. Life seems to be trucking along regardless of whether you're a CoS member or not.

[mr. murphy]

Yes, a high leaflet dispersal count is the best measure of success, obviously. :rolleyes:

My evidence that it's accomplishing nothing much at all? Well, Scientology doesn't seem to be buckling under the massive pressure. I certainly haven't observed any popular support for the movement. Life seems to be trucking along regardless of whether you're a CoS member or not.

Any movement takes time, my friend. This one seems to be gaining momentum, not losing it.

[Telefrog]

Any movement takes time, my friend. This one seems to be gaining momentum, not losing it.

Well, if Anonymous keeps it up, more power to them. From observing history, I'm going to predict that the "war on Scientology" will peak and be overtaken by ennui and whatever else is cool with the kids next.

[Primus]

One thing that really bugs me that these kids are doing this and smearing Anonymous's name into it. Anonymous does not support this, as most posts on the chans will prove. Why would Anonymous want to help people? Why would they want to spread awareness?

This is exactly the opposite of what Anonymous does.

Just because you put on a Guy Fawkes mask does not mean you are Anonymous. One of these kids even gave his name on national TV. That is not Anonymous. That is an identity trying to obtain something from an outside party.

Also note that just by doing this, the so called "Anonymous" has broke the basic rules of the chans. I would say that this act, by default, completely alienates said "Anonymous" from the chans.

This is not the actions of Anonymous. They are a bunch of faggots who have no clue what the fuck they are doing and unfortunately are bringing huge media attention to something that does not want to be discovered by just anyone.

It wants to lurk in the shadows, it's actions felt but never associated with it, and these idiots have ruined it.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

This is not the actions of Anonymous. They are a bunch of faggots who have no clue what the fuck they are doing and unfortunately are bringing huge media attention to something that does not want to be discovered by just anyone.

It wants to lurk in the shadows, it's actions felt but never associated with it, and these idiots have ruined it.

Thanks for that. :rolleyes:


A little overdramatic, no?

[Sl1pstream]

This is not the actions of Anonymous. They are a bunch of faggots who have no clue what the fuck they are doing and unfortunately are bringing huge media attention to something that does not want to be discovered by just anyone.

It wants to lurk in the shadows, it's actions felt but never associated with it, and these idiots have ruined it.

So unless it's a stupid e-joke, it goes against the principle of anonymous? That's awesome. I'm curious why "the real anonymous group" hasn't spoken out against this then.

"These idiots" are doing a good thing, I don't know if you realized that yet. Besides, it's not like there's a copyright on the word anonymous.

[IrishWhiskey]

I hate to break it to you, but you sound more like a crazy person to me than Tom Cruise. Call me when Scientologists blow something up.Catholicism has done a lot of terrible things, but I think in the modern context we do more good than harm, and that flaws are a result of corrupt or crazy individuals, not the church structure (although I'm mad about Vatican pedophile priest protection rings as well). Whereas with Scientology, the entire thing is predicated around a giant pyramid scheme, and literally espouses in its doctrine that people who criticizes it should be attacked and slandered. Every faith has good and bad elements, but with Scientology, I really only see bad.

I once posted in /b/, does that make me Anonymous?If it was regarding tentacle rape porn or whether people like Mudkip, then yes.

[Wokapto]

One thing that really bugs me that these kids are doing this and smearing Anonymous's name into it. Anonymous does not support this, as most posts on the chans will prove. Why would Anonymous want to help people? Why would they want to spread awareness?

This is exactly the opposite of what Anonymous does.

Just because you put on a Guy Fawkes mask does not mean you are Anonymous. One of these kids even gave his name on national TV. That is not Anonymous. That is an identity trying to obtain something from an outside party.

Also note that just by doing this, the so called "Anonymous" has broke the basic rules of the chans. I would say that this act, by default, completely alienates said "Anonymous" from the chans.

This is not the actions of Anonymous. They are a bunch of faggots who have no clue what the fuck they are doing and unfortunately are bringing huge media attention to something that does not want to be discovered by just anyone.

It wants to lurk in the shadows, it's actions felt but never associated with it, and these idiots have ruined it.

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[Slack3r78]

So unless it's a stupid e-joke, it goes against the principle of anonymous? That's awesome. I'm curious why "the real anonymous group" hasn't spoken out against this then.

"These idiots" are doing a good thing, I don't know if you realized that yet. Besides, it's not like there's a copyright on the word anonymous.
Because 'old' anonymous types are the ones that don't leave their parents' basements and get really, really pissy when other people do. They should stick to spamming macro memes, after all.

[J Arcane]

I find it interesting how someone could claim to know what the "true Anonymous" is, considering that everyone who posts there is, well, ANONYMOUS.

[Tel Prydain]

It wants to lurk in the shadows, it's actions felt but never associated with it, and these idiots have ruined it.

I lol'd
:D

[Tel Prydain]

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