VGChartz: Wii over 20 million

[TheFlyingOrc]

According to VGChartz (www.vgchartz.com), the Nintendo Wii has finally surpassed 20 million units sold worldwide.

If you'll recall, Microsoft reached 10 million in slightly MORE time.

Also, if VGChartz numbers are to be believed, the Wii may pass the Gamecube's lifetime sales numbers NEXT MONTH.

Insane, absolutely insane.

[mister_slim]

Nintendo's quarterly report should be out soon.

[Rafer]

360 at 16.51 million, but wasn't the 360 over 17 million a few weeks ago? They always change their numbers as new numbers get reported in the press.

[mr. murphy]

Is the Wii still difficult to find in the wild?

[Baron Samedi]

Is the Wii still difficult to find in the wild?

Yes. They're finally starting to get DSs back on shelves.

[netcraazzy]

Is the Wii still difficult to find in the wild?

They are still hard to find. My girlfriend wants one for her birthday in March and I'm already starting the hunt. Even her mom said she wouldn't mind having one...its the strangest thing I've ever seen.

[Deadend]

I don't belive VGChartz.

The Wii has 20 million sold, but nowhere near enough good games.

[mr. murphy]

I don't belive VGChartz.

The Wii has 20 million sold, but nowhere near enough good games.

This seems like a textbook example of a troll post.

"I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' but I won't provide a reason."

"And even tho I just said I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' I will use them as a reference to bring up an unrelated issue."

I have a Wii for a reason, I like the games on it. I could say I think the 360 doesn't have enough good games, that's why I don't own one. The only game I want to play on the 360 is Mass Effect, but I would never jump into a discussion and say that there aren't enough good games, because good game is a relative concept. And unless that's what the discussion is about, it's pretty much just a derailing flame.

[Baron Samedi]

So who wants to bet that Wii will be a hot item for the third holiday season running?

[TrackZero]

This seems like a textbook example of a troll post.

"I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' but I won't provide a reason."

"And even tho I just said I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' I will use them as a reference to bring up an unrelated issue."


Seems fair enough to me. When you've got a trollish comment in the original post:

If you'll recall, Microsoft reached 10 million in slightly MORE time.

Bringing up the far superior 360 game attach rate is a perfectly valid response.

[bapenguin]

So who wants to bet that Wii will be a hot item for the third holiday season running?

I'll take that bet. 12 months is a long way away.

[Doctor Setebos]

So who wants to bet that Wii will be a hot item for the third holiday season running?Depends on what Nintendo is planning on publishing this holiday.

Mario is out already
Zelda is out already
Metroid is out already
Smash Bros will be out by then
Mario Kart will be out by then

Starfox? Pikmin? Mario Party 17?

[TrackZero]

So who wants to bet that Wii will be a hot item for the third holiday season running?

I'd agree on that. They'll end up putting out their next "inane game with motion controls that's only fun to play in a group" title next Christmas.

(Mario Galaxy being the exception, of course.)

[Rune_74]

This seems like a textbook example of a troll post.

"I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' but I won't provide a reason."

"And even tho I just said I don't believe in 'thing_we're_discussing' I will use them as a reference to bring up an unrelated issue."

I have a Wii for a reason, I like the games on it. I could say I think the 360 doesn't have enough good games, that's why I don't own one. The only game I want to play on the 360 is Mass Effect, but I would never jump into a discussion and say that there aren't enough good games, because good game is a relative concept. And unless that's what the discussion is about, it's pretty much just a derailing flame.

So what do you say to a guy who owns a wii and says it has too few good games, and gets played less then his 360? I like some of the games on the wii but it doe honestly have a software shortage like it or not....you wouold think they would have got alot more out by now an not just shovelware.

[mr. murphy]

Seems fair enough to me. When you've got a trollish comment in the original post:



Brining up the far superior 360 game attach rate is a perfectly valid response.

I don't consider giving a time frame reference nearly as trollish as stepping into a thread and just saying "I don't believe in the thing you guys are all talking about". And as for who has enough good games, I still maintain it's an opinion. I don't define myself by what console I own, if there were games on it that I wanted to play, I'd own a 360 in a heartbeat, instead of just the other two. But I am a great example of why "Such and such system doesn't have enough good games" is entirely relative. The time frame reference to the 360 is a valid part of a conversation about units sold in such and such amount of time. Throwing in the games response was just... trollish.

IMO.

[Food Nipple]

Depends on what Nintendo is planning on publishing this holiday.

Mario is out already
Zelda is out already
Metroid is out already
Smash Bros will be out by then
Mario Kart will be out by then

Starfox? Pikmin? Mario Party 17?

Those aren't the games that made the Wii an enormous success; Wii Sports is, and the continued mega-success of the Wii is contingent on games like Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing.

[mr. murphy]

So what do you say to a guy who owns a wii and says it has too few good games, and gets played less then his 360? I like some of the games on the wii but it doe honestly have a software shortage like it or not....you wouold think they would have got alot more out by now an not just shovelware.

I wish the Wii had more games too. I can agree that it should have more. All I'm saying is the idea of a good game is far from universal. On my list, the Wii has more good games than the 360. But that's just me! I'm not saying the Wii is better or anyone with a 360 made a bad choice - most people with 360's want to play 360 games.

Thread successfully derailed by a trollish post. I shouldn't have gone for the bait...

[mr. murphy]

Those aren't the games that made the Wii an enormous success; Wii Sports is, and the continued mega-success of the Wii is contingent on games like Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing.

Where did you get this data? My Wii came with Wii Sports, so I don't understand how it could be driving console sales...

Are you saying that Wii Sports is the game getting played by stereotypically non-gamers the most? Because while it was Wii Sports that got my parents to buy a Wii, within a week my dad also owned Madden, both Resident Evils, Medal of Honor, Mario Party and Wario Ware, and they all get played while Sports is forgotten unless someone wants to box.

[Meusli]

The only game I want to play on the 360 is Mass Effect...


Thats because you are obviously a big pervert who gets off on alien sex. :eek: ;)

[Baron Samedi]

I'll take that bet. 12 months is a long way away.

I'm tempted to take you up on this. By far, my claim is absurd, but just for kicks, why not? What say you to an XBLA game? What do you think is a good definition for a Hot Item?

[mr. murphy]

Thats because you are obviously a big pervert who gets off on alien sex. :eek: ;)

I've been outed on EvAv!

[Deadend]

The Wii is going to keep selling, and people are going to keep watching American Idol. Yeah, I trolled a thread about VGchartz.

See, in the real world, people use NPD, as they collect stats that are consided accurate. VGChartz tends to be off base, didn't they show the PS3 outselling the 360? Which is wrong. As not even on a monthly level does the PS3 outsell it.

[mr. murphy]

Yeah, I trolled a thread about VGchartz.


I actually agree with everything you said, I just didn't agree with the way you said it. Bad troll! But I am not Anonymous, and I forgive. 'S all good.

[Deadend]

I actually agree with everything you said, I just didn't agree with the way you said it. Bad troll! But I am not Anonymous, and I forgive. 'S all good.

Play CoD4 later? I hug you with a knife.. of manlove.

[Vanthar]

The Wii is going to keep selling, and people are going to keep watching American Idol. Yeah, I trolled a thread about VGchartz.

See, in the real world, people use NPD, as they collect stats that are consided accurate. VGChartz tends to be off base, didn't they show the PS3 outselling the 360? Which is wrong. As not even on a monthly level does the PS3 outsell it.

Worldwide it is believed the PS3 is selling at or above 360 levels on a monthly basis.

[TrackZero]

I don't consider giving a time frame reference nearly as trollish as stepping into a thread and just saying "I don't believe in the thing you guys are all talking about".

Again, it's a non-issue. He doesn't have to debate that he doesn't trust the source, it's his prerogative to do so. If anything, the onus should be on the original poster to explain why we should trust the source.


And as for who has enough good games, I still maintain it's an opinion.

No, it's a matter of sales. More games sold, with less consoles in the field, means those games people are opting to lay cash-money down on. Obviously they contain more subjective value if people are willing to shell out more money from their pockets for more of them. It's not to simply say that more sales = better game without thought. But if you're going by the "it's all subjective" argument, then that's exactly what it means. Based on people's subjective opinions, a higher percentage of experiences they enjoy more are being sold on one platform over another. That's all there is to it. Your mileage may vary, but the majority agrees on where the "good" stuff is.

I don't define myself by what console I own, if there were games on it that I wanted to play, I'd own a 360 in a heartbeat, instead of just the other two. But I am a great example of why "Such and such system doesn't have enough good games" is entirely relative. The time frame reference to the 360 is a valid part of a conversation about units sold in such and such amount of time. Throwing in the games response was just... trollish.

IMO.

No, there wasn't a reason to point out how much more hardware they sold faster than the competition unless they have a vested interest in the success of one platform over the other. The poster really shouldn't have pointed out anything, or compared all of the other platforms (360 AND PS3) if it was merely an impartial statement. Even if they wanted to single one out, a more valid comparison would be to note how well the PS3's sales fared against it, since they were released at nearly the same time in the same territories. Instead, the poster opted to pick what they viewed as the biggest "threat" to their supported console, and took a shot at it. Any responses to an original troll comment like that are valid under that context.

[Kamalot]

Bickering asiede, the fact that Nintendo has turned around their home console systems from GameCube levels to Wii demand is incredible. Kudos to Nintendo, the company that 90% of the gaming press considered as dead as Sega.

[Deadend]

Worldwide it is believed the PS3 is selling at or above 360 levels on a monthly basis.

Yeah, except the 360 does sell more a month globally.

[mr. murphy]

Valid points all around, altho I could disagree slightly:

Again, it's a non-issue. He doesn't have to debate that he doesn't trust the source, it's his prerogative to do so. If anything, the onus should be on the original poster to explain why we should trust the source.

I would posit that the onus lies on the entrant. Innocent until proven guilty.

No, it's a matter of sales. More games sold, with less consoles in the field, means those games people are opting to lay cash-money down on. Obviously they contain more subjective value if people are willing to shell out more money from their pockets for more of them. It's not to simply say that more sales = better game without thought. But if you're going by the "it's all subjective" argument, then that's exactly what it means. Based on people's subjective opinions, a higher percentage of experiences they enjoy more are being sold on one platform over another. That's all there is to it. Your mileage may vary, but the majority agrees on where the "good" stuff is.

Are you saying there are more Wii's out there than 360's? I did not know that.

As for the majority agrees, you are, of course, correct. But he didn't say 360 had more games than Wii. He said Wii didn't have enough good games. Slightly different statement, and one that is decidedly trollish. You can't whip out numbers and show me where the mark 'enough good games' is.

No, there wasn't a reason to point out how much more hardware they sold faster than the competition unless they have a vested interest in the success of one platform over the other. The poster really shouldn't have pointed out anything, or compared all of the other platforms (360 AND PS3) if it was merely an impartial statement. Even if they wanted to single one out, a more valid comparison would be to note how well the PS3's sales fared against it, since they were released at nearly the same time in the same territories. Instead, the poster opted to pick what they viewed as the biggest "threat" to their supported console, and took a shot at it. Any responses to an original troll comment like that are valid under that context.

I do disagree with this one. The 360 is the biggest seller, as you said above. Using it as a comparison is a lot more valid than comparing the Wii and PS3, or even all three. You compare yourself with the winner, not everyone else. I didn't see it as a shot against the 360 at all.

[Kamalot]

To everyone talking about software sales for Wii, I came across this interesting tidbit from Wired's Game|Life column.

Matt Cassamassina over at IGN has access to the full set of NPD data, not just the top tens, and he said something very interesting on their last podcast: Wii software actually outsold Xbox 360 software this month. (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/npd-analysis-ga.html) I've contacted NPD for confirmation, but so far all they've told me is that on the list of Top 100 software titles for December, 20 Wii games charted, versus 18 Xbox 360 games.

While the titles sold may not be big-name blockbusters that show up in the top-10, a lot of smaller games could be purchased that outweigh a few heavy hitters on another console.

[thesilentdeath]

Yes. They're finally starting to get DSs back on shelves.

I don't know about you but I've never had a hard time in finding DSs in the wild. Ok, Gamestop usually doesn't have any, however a lot of other places do. As for the Wii, you've got to get lucky to get one, like my brother who got one for christmas because his wife just happened to be at TRU at the right time. Lucky bastard.

[PsychoticVile]

20 million is nice but it's not as good as you think as the attach rate for games on the Wii is like 2 per unit sold where the 360 is around 4 per unit.

[Vanthar]

Yeah, except the 360 does sell more a month globally.

Still not so sure about that right now.

[Rafer]

20 million is nice but it's not as good as you think as the attach rate for games on the Wii is like 2 per unit sold where the 360 is around 4 per unit.

I don't think those attach rates are accurate, but even if they were you should keep in mind the average Wii owner has had their console half as long as the average 360 owner. So even if both Wii and 360 owners average buying 4 games a year, the 360 is going to have a higher attach rate.

[Blade]

For all of the Wii naysayers: The game library is fine. Go to GameStop and take a look at the selection.

Yes, there's a lot of shit. But that could be said for the PS2 as well at this point in its lifespan.

[Deadend]

Still not so sure about that right now.

Acording to everyones fake chart site, the worldwide gap is getting larger every month between the two.

[Kelegacy]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.

[mister_slim]

20 million is nice but it's not as good as you think as the attach rate for games on the Wii is like 2 per unit sold where the 360 is around 4 per unit.

By which you mean 4 and 7 right?

[Kamalot]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.
I WOULD believe you, but the Wii still continues to outsell the competition. People genuinely WANT the damn thing.

If Sony didn't put out as many PS3s, would people want them all of a sudden?

Your logic does not hold up under scrutiny.

[Baron Samedi]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.

360 is a fad, rumor boy.

[mr. murphy]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.

That was a good book. However, I think that's tin-foil hat logic. People wanting a Wii doesn't make Nintendo money - people buying a Wii does. It worked in Jennifer Government because they raised the prices of the shoes based on demand. Wii is still the cheapest console.

[Yellowman]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.

Yeah but you know that Microsoft built the 360 hardware shoddy so that when they released SDKs later people would chuck their busted 360s and upgrade to Elites.

[DaXIthR]

Yeah but you know that Microsoft built the 360 hardware shoddy so that when they released SDKs later people would chuck their busted 360s and upgrade to Elites.

The 360 is two original Xboxes duct taped together.

[IndependentGMR]

My console is better than your console! There, I said it.

[Baron Samedi]

My console is better than your console! There, I said it.

Mine's bigger - with better graphics! See, look how it gets the ladies in HD :rolleyes:

[Deadend]

My console is better than your console! There, I said it.

But my girlfriend is hotter.

[Kamalot]

But my girlfriend is hotter.

That's cause she has a shoddy heat sink

[Deadend]

That's cause she has a shoddy heat sink

don't talk about your sister like that.

[IndependentGMR]

don't talk about your sister like that.

Oh, no you didn't!

400, woo hoo!

[Kamalot]

Oh, no you didn't!

400, woo hoo!

Congrats on the 400th post!

Deadend wouldn't have said his girlfriend is my sister... if he'd seen my sister! :eek:

[Baron Samedi]

The 360 is two original Xboxes duct taped together.

Sig'd! *** <3 U

[Lutheran]

I'll take that bet. 12 months is a long way away.

I have 0 doubt it will be just as hot next christmas as it is right now. Bap I will bet you a game of your choice come next December if you feel like betting :)

[Baron Samedi]

I have 0 doubt it will be just as hot next christmas as it is right now. Bap I will bet you a game of your choice come next December if you feel like betting :)

But I already bet him an XBLA game :(

[Terran]

So...do we rush our product to market and have it break? Or delay it, include bleeding-edge technology, and charge a higher price?

Or do we make a product that innovates inexpensively, makes a profit from launch, and sells like water in the desert?

Nintendo are geniuses.

[PopoWRX]

Though I'm more inclined to PC gaming, my Xbox 360 does see regular use by my siblings and I'm the one usually on the Wii, though I rented Umbrella Chronicles and went through that, fun rental, glad I didn't buy it.

On the attach rates, I have like 5 Wii games (Need to get SMG and No More Heroes) and like 8 or so Xbox 360 games. My siblings seem to prefer the Xbox360 because of the shooters/online play. I typically enjoy SP experiences on console so I'm more inclined to the Wii.

I think the Wii will continue its dominance in sales but I expect attach rates to be lower then the Xbox360/PS3 when its all over.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Seems fair enough to me. When you've got a trollish comment in the original post:



Bringing up the far superior 360 game attach rate is a perfectly valid response.

Hey! (can't believe I lost my own thread)

I have a 360 and I love it. I was just giving a comparison for how insanely well the Wii is doing.

[Verity]

Depends on what Nintendo is planning on publishing this holiday.

Mario is out already
Zelda is out already
Metroid is out already
Smash Bros will be out by then
Mario Kart will be out by then

Starfox? Pikmin? Mario Party 17?
Although, I'm willing say with confidence that Mario Kart will be delayed at least once. I see the current release dates of Brawl and Mario Kart being too close, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a holiday release for Mario Kart.

And as far as Zelda goes: Twilight Princess doesn't count. There will be another Zelda game on Wii; Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game, essentially, but it will be a bit longer before we even see any information on the next Zelda.

[31 Flavas]

Wii is a fad.

Anyone ever read Jennifer Government? Where the Nike execs make the Mercurys impossible to find on purpose for a very long period of time, and then release a few into the wild to keep stimulating that "must-have" vibe? Yeah.Honestly now.... You are being sarcastic, right? 1.45 million units for December is "just a few units"? And 19-20 million units worldwide is "impossible to find"?

By your logic then, 360 and PS3 are under even more draconian lock down.

[Johan]

It's only over 20 million if you count the ones that have sold to consumers. :D

That's not really fair to Sony and MS now, is it?

[Kamalot]

Honestly now.... You are being sarcastic, right? 1.45 million units for December is "just a few units"? And 19-20 million units worldwide is "impossible to find"?

By your logic then, 360 and PS3 are under even more draconian lock down.You HAVE met Kelegacy before, right?

[Kelegacy]

Honestly now.... You are being sarcastic, right? 1.45 million units for December is "just a few units"? And 19-20 million units worldwide is "impossible to find"?

By your logic then, 360 and PS3 are under even more draconian lock down.

Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious. However, I am still surprised at how well the Wii is doing. I think most of the success is undeserved, but that's just me. We haven't played ours for weeks, and my girlfriend wanted the silly thing. I think she forgot it exists beneath the television.

[Serapth]

Yeah, I wasn't being entirely serious. However, I am still surprised at how well the Wii is doing. I think most of the success is undeserved, but that's just me. We haven't played ours for weeks, and my girlfriend wanted the silly thing. I think she forgot it exists beneath the television.

I dont think I have ever heard of a console that sold so many, that so many people say they dont play. Really its amazing how many people talk about their Wii's collecting dust, and the shitastic software sales seems to reinforce this as a trend. The PSP used to be beating boy of unused systems, but its software finally started to come through.

[DaXIthR]

I dont think I have ever heard of a console that sold so many, that so many people say they dont play. Really its amazing how many people talk about their Wii's collecting dust, and the shitastic software sales seems to reinforce this as a trend. The PSP used to be beating boy of unused systems, but its software finally started to come through.

I bet the virtual boy had a better attach rate than the PSP, but there are no stats that prove it to be a system used to play retail UMD games.

Catch my drift?

By the way, didn't the Wii sell more software in NA than the 360 in all of December? Yeah, I thought it did.

[Deadend]

Where did you get that from DaXIthR? As I have not seen the total software sales thrown around.

[Rotting]

Bickering asiede, the fact that Nintendo has turned around their home console systems from GameCube levels to Wii demand is incredible.

Right you are Sir :)

[DaXIthR]

Where did you get that from DaXIthR? As I have not seen the total software sales thrown around.

GameLife (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/npd-analysis-ga.html)

More interestingly, reports indicate that Wii software actually outsold Xbox 360 software for December, casting a great deal of doubt on the commonly-held belief that software makers can't move units on Nintendo's console.

There's more stats if you're interested...

[Chameleo]

attach rate attach rate attach rate blablabla.

thats all 360 fans seem to wanna talk about. well maybe your attach rate is so high because the 360 has so few consoles out there...!!! less consoles = higher attach rate! but less games sold overall...! ever think of that?!

[Rune_74]

attach rate attach rate attach rate blablabla.

thats all 360 fans seem to wanna talk about. well maybe your attach rate is so high because the 360 has so few consoles out there...!!! less consoles = higher attach rate! but less games sold overall...! ever think of that?!

Can I please have what you are smoking?

[sparkfizt]

By the way, didn't the Wii sell more software in NA than the 360 in all of December? Yeah, I thought it did.

eh?

The December sales figures from NPD for software.

01. Call of Duty 4 (Xbox 360) - 1,470,000
02. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - 1,400,000
03. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) - 1,250,000
04. Wii Play with Remote (Wii) - 1,080,000
05. Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360) - 893,700
06. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - 742,700
07. Brain Age 2: More Training In Minutes A Day (DS) - 659,500
08. Madden NFL 08 (PS2) - 655,200
09. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Xbox 360) - 624,600
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii) - 613,000
xbox
3,731,000
wii
3 093 000

(yes this is top 10, all I could find)

[DaXIthR]

(yes this is top 10, all I could find)

GameLife (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/npd-analysis-ga.html)

Not talking about the Top 10. Talking about Totals. That article doesn't have the numbers, but there's a better analysis at Next-Gen I can't seem to find right now.

At any rate, you can work it out backwards from the Tie Ratio thread.

Nintendo sold 1.35M Wii with a Tie Ratio of 8.11
MS sold 1.25M 360s with a Tie Ratio of 7.76

Wii sold 10.95M pieces of software.
360 sold 9.7M pieces of software.

[sparkfizt]

GameLife (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/npd-analysis-ga.html)

Not talking about the Top 10. Talking about Totals. That article doesn't have the numbers, but there's a better analysis at Next-Gen I can't seem to find right now.

At any rate, you can work it out backwards from the Tie Ratio thread.

Nintendo sold 1.35M Wii with a Tie Ratio of 8.11
MS sold 1.25M 360s with a Tie Ratio of 7.76

Wii sold 10.95M pieces of software.
360 sold 9.7M pieces of software.

ah, see does anyone know if they claimed wii sports and wii play with that attach ratio? Personally I dont count those but I realize a lot of people do.

[Chameleo]

ah, see does anyone know if they claimed wii sports and wii play with that attach ratio? Personally I dont count those but I realize a lot of people do.

ah, ok so in the 360's attach rate we won't count forza 2 and marvel ultimate alliance.

[sparkfizt]

ah, ok so in the 360's attach rate we won't count forza 2 and marvel ultimate alliance.

Sounds fine to me.

The whole point of looking at attach rate as a metric is to tell how much software the device is getting people to buy, separate of the machine.

[Chameleo]

Sounds fine to me.

The whole point of looking at attach rate as a metric is to tell how much software the device is getting people to buy, separate of the machine.

hm, different response than i expected.


well get someone to tally up the numbers. no one seems to think they should leave Marvel: UA or Forza from the numbers because of how many copies they may, or may not, have sold w/o the 360 bundle.

[sparkfizt]

hm, different response than i expected.


well get someone to tally up the numbers. no one seems to think they should leave Marvel: UA or Forza from the numbers because of how many copies they may, or may not, have sold w/o the 360 bundle.

The copies sold separately should count since they were not part of the pack in. The marvel numbers are likely low, but forza may still be doing okay. Ultimately the data i'd like to see i'll never get my hands on :P