Nintendo Announces Release Dates for 2008

[bapenguin]

Nintendo has just sent out a press release highlighting release dates for 2008 for both the Wii and Nintendo DS. There are over 65 Wii games on the list and over 80 Nintendo DS games.

Here are a few notables on the Wii:

March 9: Super Smash Bros.® Brawl from Nintendo
March 10: Worms: A Space Oddity from THQ
March: Ninja Reflex from Electronic Arts
Spring: Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Spring: LEGO: Indiana Jones from LucasArts


The full list for both systems are posted after the jump (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1206384#post1206384).

[bapenguin]

STRONG LINEUP OF GAMES CONTINUES NINTENDO'S MOMENTUM IN 2008

Bold 2007 Set the Stage for Broad 2008 Software Lineups for Wii and Nintendo DS

REDMOND, Wash., Jan. 16, 2008 – With their focus on fun for everyone, Nintendo's Wii™ and Nintendo DS™ systems are leading a new movement in the world of video games. Games based on brain exercises. … New experiences that surprise even core gamers. … Grandparents buying video game systems – for themselves! Surely, these are unprecedented times.

"The video game industry has never had so many new players, and they've never had so much fun," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales & marketing. "Our momentum is not limited to one system or one game. We're going broad and bold in 2008, with something for every member of the family."

Nintendo DS and Wii finished as the No. 1 and No. 2 best-selling systems of the year, respectively. Nintendo continues its momentum into 2008 with a strong lineup of games. In the first half of 2008 alone, more than 65 new Wii games will add to the current library of more than 195 and 80 new Nintendo DS games will add to the current library of nearly 500. Nintendo DS opens the first half of the year with games that demonstrate the breadth of the Nintendo DS library. Advance Wars®: Days of Ruin is a treat aimed squarely at core gamers, while Crosswords DS™ is for all consumers, whether they currently play games or not.

Likewise, the first half of 2008 brings a diverse array of Wii games from Nintendo, including core games like Super Smash Bros.® Brawl; games with universal appeal for gamers old and new with Mario Kart® Wii, which uses the easy-to-pick-up Wii Wheel™; and Wii Fit™, which comes with the Wii Balance Board and has appeal for new consumers well beyond the traditional video game audience. On top of all that, new downloadable WiiWare™ games will make their debut. These unique games have much lower entry barriers for developers and let consumers enjoy an incredibly diverse selection of content.

Third-party publishers also continue their strong support for Wii and Nintendo DS. Some of the innovative Wii games for the first half of 2008 include Ninja Reflex from Electronic Arts, No More Heroes™ from Ubisoft, DeBlob from THQ, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts and Okami from Capcom, in addition to compelling Nintendo DS games like FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: Rings of Fate from Square Enix, Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword from Tecmo and Quick Yoga Training from Ubisoft.

The following is a partial list of Wii and Nintendo DS software for the first half of 2008. Note that details are subject to change.

Wii
Jan. 7: Kidz Sports Ice Hockey from Destineer
Jan. 21: Endless Ocean™ from Nintendo
Jan. 22: One Piece™: Unlimited Adventure™ from Namco Bandai Games America Inc.
Jan. 29: Bomberman Land from Hudson
January: No More Heroes™ from Ubisoft
January: CSI: Crime Scene Investigation™: Hard Evidence from Ubisoft
Feb. 8: Kawasaki Jet Ski from Destineer
Feb. 11: Go Diego Go!: Safari Rescue from 2K Play
Feb. 12: WWII Aces from Destineer
Feb. 12: Dream Pinball 3D from SouthPeak Games
Feb. 18: MX vs. ATV Untamed from THQ
Feb. 25: Agatha Christie And Then There Were None from DreamCatcher Games
Feb. 26: Baroque from Atlus USA
Feb. 26: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors from Square Enix
Feb. 27: Kidz Sports Soccer from Destineer
Feb. 27: London Taxi: Rush Hour from Destineer
February: Garfield® Gets Real from DSI Games
February: Yamaha Supercross from DSI Games
February: Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol Encore from Konami
February: Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30™ from Ubisoft
February: BALLOON POP from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
March 3: Destroy All Humans: Big Willy Unleashed from THQ
March 9: Super Smash Bros.® Brawl from Nintendo
March 10: Worms: A Space Oddity from THQ
March 25: Okami from Capcom
March 25: OPOONA from KOEI CORPORATION
March: MiniCopter: Adventure Flight from Aksys Games
March: Alone in the Dark from Atari
March: Ninja Reflex from Electronic Arts
March: Obscure: The Aftermath from Ignition Entertainment
March: Target: Terror from Konami
March: Nitro Bike™ from Ubisoft
March: Emergency Heroes™ from Ubisoft
March: HEAVENLY GUARDIAN from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
March: Rebel Raiders from XS Games
April 15: Castle of Shikigami III from Aksys Games
April: Pro Evolution Soccer from Konami
April: Wild Earth: African Safari from Majesco Entertainment
April: THE MONKEY KING-THE LEGEND BEGINS from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
April: Super Pick Ups from XS Games
May 6: Speed Racer from Warner Bros. Games
May 13: The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian from Disney Interactive Studios
May: BlastWorks: Build, Trade, Destroy from Majesco Entertainment
May: King of Fighters: The Orochi Saga from SNK Playmore
May: THE DOG Island™ from Ubisoft
June 8: Wonderworld Amusement Park from Majesco Entertainment
June: Catch of the Day from Electronic Arts
June: Ford Racing Off Road from Empire Interactive
June: Cooking Mama Cook Off 2 from Majesco Entertainment
June: Rygar: The Battle of Argus from Tecmo, Inc.
June: DeBlob from THQ
June: Wall-E from THQ
Spring: Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Spring: Major League Baseball® 2K8 from 2K Sports
Spring: Don King Presents: Prizefighter from 2K Sports
Spring: Top Spin 3 from 2K Sports
Spring: Kung Fu Panda from Activision
Spring: LEGO: Indiana Jones from LucasArts
Summer: Deca Sports from Hudson
Summer: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts
Summer: Active Life™: Outdoor Challenge™ from Namco Bandai Games America Inc.
Q2: Wii Fit from Nintendo

Nintendo DS
Jan. 21: Advance Wars: Days of Ruin from Nintendo/Intelligent Systems
Jan. 21: Mazes of Fate DS from Graffiti Entertainment, LLC
Jan. 22: Mega Brain Boost from Majesco Entertainment
Jan. 24: Aquarium by DS from Bold Games
Jan. 24: Fantasy Aquarium by DS from Bold Games
Jan. 29: Pet Pals: Animal Doctor from Majesco Entertainment
January: N+ from Atari
January: Barnyard Blast from DSI Games
January: Command & Destroy from DSI Games
January: Miami Nights: Singles in the City™ from Ubisoft
January: Brain Challenge™ from Ubisoft
Feb. 4: Paws & Claws: Pet Resort from THQ
Feb. 5: Homie Rollerz from Destineer
Feb. 5: Nanostray 2 from Majesco Entertainment
Feb. 10 (street date): Professor Layton and the Curious Village™ from Nintendo/LEVEL-5
Feb. 12: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney from Capcom
Feb. 12: New Zealand Story Revolution from Ignition Entertainment
Feb. 12: Dream Pinball 3D from SouthPeak Games
Feb. 19: Spitfire Heroes: Tales of the RAF from Destineer
Feb. 19: Zoo Tycoon II from THQ
Feb. 25: Bratz: Super Babyz from THQ
Feb. 26: Bubble Bobble Double Shot from Ignition Entertainment
February: My Horse and Me from Atari
February: M&M'S® Kart Racing from DSI Games
February: Garfield® Gets Real from DSI Games
February: Yamaha Supercross from DSI Games
February: Insecticide from Gamecock Media Group
February: Anno™ 1701: Dawn of Discovery from Ubisoft
February: Assassin's Creed Altair's Chronicles™ from Ubisoft
February: Petz® Wild Animals: Tigerz from Ubisoft
February: Puppy Palace™ from Ubisoft
February: Real Soccer® 2008 from Ubisoft
March 1: Project Exile from Graffiti Entertainment, LLC
March 3: Let's Ride: Friends Forever from THQ
March 4: Diary Girl from Konami
March 4: Go Pets from Konami
March 4: Disney Friends from Disney Interactive Studios
March 4: Eco-Creatures: Save the Forest from Majesco Entertainment
March 8: Plushees from Destineer
March 8: River King: Mystic Valley from Natsume Inc.
March 8: Harvest Moon DS Cute from Natsume Inc.
March 11: FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: Rings of Fate from Square Enix
March 11: Lost in Blue 3 from Konami
March 11: Pro Evolution Soccer from Konami
March 25: Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword from Tecmo, Inc.
March: Alone in the Dark from Atari
March: Drone Tactics from Atlus USA
March: Double Sequence from DSI Games
March: Ninja Reflex from Electronic Arts
March: Myst from Empire Interactive
March: Naruto™: Ninja Destiny from Tomy Corporation
March: Petz® Bunnyz™ from Ubisoft
March: Imagine™ Figure Skater from Ubisoft
March: Commando from XS Games
April 15: Teenage Zombies: Invasion of the Alien Brain Thingys from Ignition Entertainment
April: Super Dodgeball Brawlers from Aksys Games
April: Rondo of Swords from Atlus USA
April: Quick Yoga Training from Ubisoft
May 5: Crosswords DS from Nintendo
May 6: Speed Racer from Warner Bros. Games
May 8: Organize It from Summitsoft Corporation
May 13: The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian from Disney Interactive Studios
May: Winx Club: Mission Enchantix from Konami
May: Jake Hunter: Detective Chronicles from Aksys Games
May: Garfield® Fun Fest from DSI Games
May: 1 vs. 100 from DSI Games
June 8: Harvest Moon: Island of Happiness from Natsume Inc.
June: Shining Stars® from DSI Games
June: Catch of the Day from Electronic Arts
June: PipeMania from Empire Interactive
June: Wall-E from THQ
Spring: Sid Meier's Civilization® Revolution™ from 2K Games
Spring: Don King Presents: Prizefighter from 2K Sports
Spring: Top Spin 3 from 2K Sports
Spring: Kung Fu Panda from Activision
Spring: LEGO: Indiana Jones from LucasArts
Spring: The World Ends with You from Square Enix
Summer: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts
Summer: Tamagotchi Connection®: Corner Shop® 3 from Namco Bandai Games America Inc.
Q2: Bangai-O Spirits from D3 Publisher of America
Q2: PREY THE STARS from KOEI CORPORATION
Q2: Pokemon® Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time from Nintendo
Q2: Pokemon® Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness from Nintendo

[Switcher]

The fact you didn't list No More Heroes on your small "notables" list demotes this post to insta-fail.

[Digital Outlaw]

Thats alot of third party support for the wii. Unfortunatly, the majority will most likely be shit. At least theres SSBM and Mario Kart.....

[Gorvi]

Sweet, I hadn't realized that Anno 1701: Dawn of Discovery was getting a domestic release. Nice. :)

No FFTA2 makes me sad, though.

[Digital Outlaw]

The fact you didn't list No More Heroes on your small "notables" list demotes this post to insta-fail.

Like I said, most third party games are most likely to be shit including No More Heroes which is selling in the tens of nothing in Japan right now.

[51|RandoM]

I don't think he understands the meaning of strong. The chaff to wheat ratio on the Wii is starting to resemble that of the DS.

[bapenguin]

The fact you didn't list No More Heroes on your small "notables" list demotes this post to insta-fail.

I just did a quick scan of it. Didn't notice it.

[Switcher]

Like I said, most third party games are most likely to be shit including No More Heroes which is selling in the tens of nothing in Japan right now.

Having played through No More Heroes at least a dozen times last year, I can say that you are wrong sir.

And when does selling few copies in Japan judge how good a game is? Zack and Wiki sold even LESS than No More Heroes in Japan.

[Ph00p]

Wow! Its going to be a good 2 quarters for Nintendo's fans wallets!
Damn that is one helluva sad fucking list! Its like you need a good shovel to sift through the shit to get to the gold there, and there isn't much gold.

[Zaro]

There's some games, on both Wii and DS, i can be interrest to buy if they got some good review.

[Heretic Machine]

Wow! Its going to be a good 2 quarters for Nintendo's fans wallets!
Damn that is one helluva sad fucking list! Its like you need a good shovel to sift through the shit to get to the gold there, and there isn't much gold.

Yup, it's exactly like the second year of the PS2.

Anyhow, here are some things the OP missed that people might want to watch for:

No More Heroes (GTA-like)
Baroque (JRPG)
Dragon Quest Swords (Action, First-person)
Okami (Action-Adventure)
Castle Shikigami 3 (Vertical Shooter)
Obscure: The Aftermath (Survival Horror)
Rygar (Action-Adventure)
DeBlob (Unique)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (Action)

These won't all necessarily be good games, but they are games that might interest the audience of EvAv more than the rest of the list, so watch for review scores.

[Gorvi]

Yup, it's exactly like the second year of the PS2.
Except the first year of the PS2 was so damn strong software wise, it didn't matter as much.

[Kamalot]

Here's my list of titles that interest me. Maybe they'll turn out good, but I'll keep my eye on them. Italics are first-party titles.

Wii
Endless Ocean™
No More Heroes™
Baroque from Atlus USA
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30™ from Ubisoft
Super Smash Bros.® Brawl from Nintendo
Okami from Capcom
OPOONA (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3163027)from KOEI CORPORATION
Nitro Bike™ from Ubisoft
HEAVENLY GUARDIAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Guardian) from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
Castle of Shikigami III (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/17/castle-of-shikigami-iii-shoots-up-wii-next-spring/) from Aksys Games
Speed Racer from Warner Bros. Games
BlastWorks (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14486): Build, Trade, Destroy from Majesco Entertainment
Rygar: The Battle of Argus from Tecmo, Inc.
DeBlob from THQ
Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Top Spin 3 from 2K Sports
LEGO: Indiana Jones from LucasArts
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts
Wii Fit from Nintendo

Nintendo DS
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
Nanostray 2 from Majesco Entertainment
Professor Layton and the Curious Village™ from Nintendo/LEVEL-5
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney from Capcom
Insecticide from Gamecock Media Group
Anno™ 1701: Dawn of Discovery from Ubisoft
Assassin's Creed Altair's Chronicles™ from Ubisoft
Project Exile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ulq1Z-RSuc) from Graffiti Entertainment, LLC
FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: Rings of Fate from Square Enix
Lost in Blue 3 from Konami
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword from Tecmo, Inc.
Drone Tactics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HFvB4dk7B0)from Atlus USA
Commando (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/14117) from XS Games
Rondo of Swords from Atlus USA
Quick Yoga Training from Ubisoft
Speed Racer from Warner Bros. Games
Sid Meier's Civilization® Revolution™ from 2K Games
The World Ends with You from Square Enix
Bangai-O Spirits from D3 Publisher of America
PREY THE STARS from KOEI CORPORATION

Edit: Out of all that, only 6 first-party titles on my list.

[vherub]

I think wiifit is going to outsell all the other games, brawl included, by a wide margin.

Lot of potentially great games, probably okami has me the most excited.

[Highlar]

Are you really going to try and say that the Wii didn't have a good first year for games? I would really have to disagree with that. Yes, there was a lot of shovelware which came out for the Wii in the FIRST YEAR of its release...tons of party games too...BUT...that first year also saw quite a few games that shined nicely: Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime Corruption, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, NiGHTS, and plenty more. I don't think you can say that there was a bad year for the Wii's first year of games with some of the quality titles that have come out. And, following in the footsteps of the PS2, its shovelware in the second year, but again with SEVERAL quality titles. And how many games do most people REALLY buy in a year that they need a shit ton of games to come out every year that are all AAA titles?

[PathMaster]

Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Is that required to play, or just a possible addon to purchase?

[Heretic Machine]

Holy shit, Project Exile looks old school. I'm totally digging that.

Is that required to play, or just a possible addon to purchase?

It's a piece of plastic.

[Doctor Setebos]

Worms is off my must-buy list unless Team17 re-introduces online play. :mad:

[Philonious]

Holy shit, Project Exile looks old school. I'm totally digging that.

Ditto. That looks sweet.

I didn't see FFIV on the list? Do we know when that is due?

[Gorvi]

Ditto. That looks sweet.

I didn't see FFIV on the list? Do we know when that is due?
I think this year. So no Dragon Quest IV, no Final Fantasy IV, and no Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2. That sucks.

Damn, I'm a SE whore. :p

[Variable Gear]

Holy shit, Project Exile looks old school. I'm totally digging that.


Yeah, It looks amazing! It really reminds me of Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana...

...I love 16-bit RPGs...

[kaddar]

I know SSBB has been delayed twice, but I just hope they didn't rush out the release with unbalanced characters (By adding them last minute). I don't want to get it and find out sonic is the only viable character.


Ok, well maybe I sorta do, but that's besides the point

[agentgray]

Heh. Love how almost nothing has a date after next month.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Except the first year of the PS2 was so damn strong software wise, it didn't matter as much.

Didn't I already make you concede this by comparing the first year of the PS2 and the Wii?

[Gorvi]

Didn't I already make you concede this by comparing the first year of the PS2 and the Wii?
Nope, I still disagree. I'm not saying the Wii is terrible, it had a good first year. I just think the PS2 had probably the best first year any console has ever seen. I can dig out my list again if you'd like. ;)

[TheFlyingOrc]

Nope, I still disagree. I'm not saying the Wii is terrible, it had a good first year. I just think the PS2 had probably the best first year any console has ever seen. I can dig out my list again if you'd like. ;)

Ye gods, no.

But on topic: I think we could very easily see some real gems in that list. The main thing the Wii lacks is games with marketing behind them. Bioshock would have still been a good game, even if they hadn't been telling us about it for months beforehand. (I actually DID NOT know about it until it came out, as I had only recently gotten a 360)

[Kamalot]

Ye gods, no.

I have to agree. The first year of the PS2 was largely forgettable and only saved by the fact that it played most every PS1 game.

[Gorvi]

I have to agree. The first year of the PS2 was largely forgettable and only saved by the fact that it played most every PS1 game.
You do know what the PS2 was, right? You're not mistaking it for the Lynx or anything?

[Kamalot]

You do know what the PS2 was, right? You're not mistaking it for the Lynx or anything?

Yeah, I know what the PS2 is. I had one and sold it to replace it with a PS3.

The first year of PS2 was largely forgettable.

Edit: As far as I know, the Lynx won't play PS1 games.

[Gorvi]

Yeah, I know what the PS2 is. I had one and sold it to replace it with a PS3.

The first year of PS2 was largely forgettable.

Edit: As far as I know, the Lynx won't play PS1 games.
If this is what you call "largely forgettable":

Armored Core 2
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
Dark Cloud
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy X
Gradius III & IV
Gran Turismo 3 A Spec
Grand Theft Auto 3
Half Life
ICO
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Kessen
Klonoa 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Midnight Club
Onimusha
Red Faction
Ridge Racer 5
Rumble Racing
SSX
SSX Tricky
Shadow of Destiny
Shadow Hearts
Silent Hill 2
Sky Odyssey
Soul Reaver 2: Legacy of Kain
Super Bust-A-Move
Timesplitters
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Twisted Metal Black
Zone of the Enders

I'd really hate to know what you think of the 360, Wii, and PS3's first years. And yes, you know I consider the lead in to that 2nd Xmas as part of a console's first year.

[51|RandoM]

If this is what you call "largely forgettable":

Considering he forgot all of that, it is largely forgettable, at least from his point of view.

:)

[Doctor Setebos]

Actually, I think the Lynx DID play PS1 games.

It certainly didn't have any Lynx games to play.

*rimshot*

[Variable Gear]

If this is what you call "largely forgettable":

Armored Core 2
Dark Cloud
Devil May Cry
Gradius III & IV
Gran Turismo 3 A Spec
Grand Theft Auto 3
ICO
Kessen
Klonoa 2
Midnight Club
Onimusha
Red Faction
Ridge Racer 5
Rumble Racing
SSX
Silent Hill 2
Sky Odyssey
Super Bust-A-Move
Timesplitters
Twisted Metal Black
Zone of the Enders

I'd really hate to know what you think of the 360, Wii, and PS3's first years. And yes, you know I consider the lead in to that 2nd Xmas as part of a console's first year.

Those are the only games that you listed that were actually released in the PS2's first year.

[Kamalot]

If this is what you call "largely forgettable":

***INCORRECT LIST***

I'd really hate to know what you think of the 360, Wii, and PS3's first years. And yes, you know I consider the lead in to that 2nd Xmas as part of a console's first year.

***sigh***

Gorvi, we've been over this before. You are listing games in there that did not come out in the PS2's first year, at least in its first year in North America.

PS2 North American Release: October 26, 2000

Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance - December 3, 2001
Final Fantasy X - December 20, 2001
Half Life - November 15, 2001
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy - December 4, 2001
Metal Gear Solid 2 - November 14, 2001
SSX Tricky - November 5, 2001
Shadow Hearts - December 12, 2001
Soul Reaver 2: Legacy of Kain - October 31, 2001

Looks like the first year was largely forgettable after all, since you forgot that a number of your high-profile games did NOT come out in the PS2's first year. If you think of games like Sky Odyssey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Odyssey) and Super Bust-A-Move (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bust-A-Move) as unforgettable, be my guest.

[Evil Avnovice]

Mmmm....The Sealed Grimoire.
Mmmm....The Crystal Bearers.

[Gorvi]

***sigh***

Gorvi, we've been over this before. You are listing games in there that did not come out in the PS2's first year, at least in its first year in North America.

PS2 North American Release: October 26, 2000

Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance - December 3, 2001
Final Fantasy X - December 20, 2001
Half Life - November 15, 2001
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy - December 4, 2001
Metal Gear Solid 2 - November 14, 2001
SSX Tricky - November 5, 2001
Shadow Hearts - December 12, 2001
Soul Reaver 2: Legacy of Kain - October 31, 2001

Looks like the first year was largely forgettable after all, since you forgot that a number of your high-profile games did NOT come out in the PS2's first year. If you think of games like Sky Odyssey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Odyssey) and Super Bust-A-Move (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bust-A-Move) as unforgettable, be my guest.
So Kam, do you know how to read? I'm actually curious about that. I said:
And yes, you know I consider the lead in to that 2nd Xmas as part of a console's first year.
The PS2 came out October 26th, 2000. Through that holiday season the following year is what I was counting, and you know it.

Even without those, was Grand Theft Auto 3 forgettable? SSX maybe (considering how much you've praised Blur, I think not)? ICO? Gran Turismo 3? Devil May Cry? Silent Hill 2? Twisted Metal Black? Seriously, I don't think you'd find many on this board that would call those forgettable.

You do know it's ok to admit there's something good about a Sony product, right? Your skin won't burn, you won't melt into a puddle.

EDIT: As far as Sky Odyssey and Bust A Move, yeah, I did enjoy those. There aren't many games of Sky Odyssey's type around and I still pop it in every once in a while. Then again, I was a big Pilotwings fan. And Bust A Move got a ton of play with my wife and I. It was a ton of fun. Granted, we hadn't owned a version of the game previously

[Kamalot]

So Kam, do you know how to read? I'm actually curious about that. I said:

The PS2 came out October 26th, 2000. Through that holiday season the following year is what I was counting, and you know it.

Even without those, was Grand Theft Auto 3 forgettable? SSX maybe (considering how much you've praised Blur, I think not)? ICO? Gran Turismo 3? Devil May Cry? Silent Hill 2? Twisted Metal Black? Seriously, I don't think you'd find many on this board that would call those forgettable.

You do know it's ok to admit there's something good about a Sony product, right? Your skin won't burn, you won't melt into a puddle.

EDIT: As far as Sky Odyssey and Bust A Move, yeah, I did enjoy those. There aren't many games of Sky Odyssey's type around and I still pop it in every once in a while. Then again, I was a big Pilotwings fan. And Bust A Move got a ton of play with my wife and I. It was a ton of fun. Granted, we hadn't owned a version of the game previously

Largely forgettable isn't the same as completely forgettable.

I love how "first year' can mean 'first year + months'. You can still consider up to the 25th of December as part of the PS2's 'first year'... but you'd be wrong.

Any why do you have a bug up your butt about me admitting something good about Sony? I had a PS2 to play PS2 games.

[Gorvi]

Largely forgettable isn't the same as completely forgettable.

I love how "first year' can mean 'first year + months'. You can still consider up to the 25th of December as part of the PS2's 'first year'... but you'd be wrong.

Any why do you have a bug up your butt about me admitting something good about Sony? I had a PS2 to play PS2 games.
I doubt many would call them forgettable at all, largely or not. By those standards, the Wii had a completely forgettable year. But it didn't. As far as the first year, people generally don't go day and date with the calender, but normally include the rest of the year, since consoles so typically launch in the 4th quarter. You don't see that happen when they launch at other times.

As far as admitting something good about Sony, it's odd that it seems so hard for you to actually admit that something to do with a PlayStation product is good. You really don't see that from many people regarding any console. Calling those games forgettable while you praise what's out on the Wii (and in another thread, listed many very forgettable games for the 360 in it's first year) is pretty ridiculous. Sorry you can't seem to see that.

[Kamalot]

I doubt many would call them forgettable at all, largely or not. By those standards, the Wii had a completely forgettable year. But it didn't. As far as the first year, people generally don't go day and date with the calender, but normally include the rest of the year, since consoles so typically launch in the 4th quarter. You don't see that happen when they launch at other times.

As far as admitting something good about Sony, it's odd that it seems so hard for you to actually admit that something to do with a PlayStation product is good. You really don't see that from many people regarding any console. Calling those games forgettable while you praise what's out on the Wii (and in another thread, listed many very forgettable games for the 360 in it's first year) is pretty ridiculous. Sorry you can't seem to see that.

The first year of the DS was VERY forgettable, yet it finally came into its own. The same thing happened with the PS2. The fact that the PS2 went on to be the most popular home console EVER is a testament to the fact that you can have a less-than stellar first year of software and still come out on top.

I fail to see how that is Sony bashing in any way shape or form. Just because the PS2 had a largely forgettable first year says nothing about the system other than quality software takes time and install base.

[Gorvi]

The first year of the DS was VERY forgettable, yet it finally came into its own. The same thing happened with the PS2. The fact that the PS2 went on to be the most popular home console EVER is a testament to the fact that you can have a less-than stellar first year of software and still come out on top.

I fail to see how that is Sony bashing in any way shape or form. Just because the PS2 had a largely forgettable first year says nothing about the system other than quality software takes time and install base.
You don't seem to get it. It wasn't forgetable. Gran Turismo 3 went on to sell 15 million copies. Devil May Cry spawned a series of games that's about to see it's fourth iteration. ICO is still regarded as one of the most artistic games ever created. Dark Cloud was a pretty different game, and the first by a studio that became so successful that they were recently able to buy the naming rights to a soccer stadium just for the hell of it. SSX was a damn good game, and has spawned a good sequels. Timesplitters also spawned a series, and was the first game by the ex-Golden Eye devs. And, hell, Grand Theft Auto 3 was arguably the most influential game of the last generation of consoles, for better or worse.

How the heck is that forgettable?

[Sandman]

January: No More Heroes™ from Ubisoft
March 9: Super Smash Bros.® Brawl from Nintendo
March 25: Okami from Capcom
Spring: Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Summer: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts

This is where I ask myself....do I wish I had kept my Wii? Looking at that list of games I might purchase I see 3 that I would definitely buy. Nope, not regretting selling the system at the moment.

[Kamalot]

You don't seem to get it. It wasn't forgetable. Gran Turismo 3 went on to sell 15 million copies. Devil May Cry spawned a series of games that's about to see it's fourth iteration. ICO is still regarded as one of the most artistic games ever created. Dark Cloud was a pretty different game, and the first by a studio that became so successful that they were recently able to buy the naming rights to a soccer stadium just for the hell of it. SSX was a damn good game, and has spawned a good sequels. Timesplitters also spawned a series, and was the first game by the ex-Golden Eye devs. And, hell, Grand Theft Auto 3 was arguably the most influential game of the last generation of consoles, for better or worse.

How the heck is that forgettable?
You are talking about a handful of titles out of how many PS2 games that were released in the first year?

I'm sorry, but most people aren't going to remember much about Red Faction, cause even thought it spawned a sequel, it was still forgettable. Like most of the rest of the PS2's first year lineup.

[Gorvi]

You are talking about a handful of titles out of how many PS2 games that were released in the first year?

I'm sorry, but most people aren't going to remember much about Red Faction, cause even thought it spawned a sequel, it was still forgettable. Like most of the rest of the PS2's first year lineup.
Actually, I'd be willing to bet most would remember Red Faction, if for nothing other than the hype behind the Geo Mod system. That, and it was a pretty good game.

Nevermind though, you seem to prefer to be willfully ignorant. Enjoy.

[Rommel]

Mario Kart is one of the "Classic" series of games I have never grasped the understanding of in regards to its popularity or critical acclaim.

[Kelegacy]

I don't think he understands the meaning of strong. The chaff to wheat ratio on the Wii is starting to resemble that of the DS.

Seriously.

A couple things on there, but my Wii will definitely be the Gamecube of this gen once again. Sitting there unloved, barring the occasional Nintendo franchise release.

[MajSheppard]

Kart and SMB is too close together, count on that changing.

[Kelegacy]

Actually, I'd be willing to bet most would remember Red Faction, if for nothing other than the hype behind the Geo Mod system. That, and it was a pretty good game.

Nevermind though, you seem to prefer to be willfully ignorant. Enjoy.

I remember. I even remember how the game ends. I diffused the bomb with 1 second left to spare. That's some Hollywood-esque luck right there.

[Gorvi]

I remember. I even remember how the game ends. I diffused the bomb with 1 second left to spare. That's some Hollywood-esque luck right there.
No you don't! You damn dirty liar! It was totally forgettable! ;)

Nah, the first RF was really fun for it's time. Heck, I remember there were a lot of comparisons made between it and the first Half Life with the way the story was worked in with the gameplay. Now RF2? That was a huge disappointment.

[Kelegacy]

No you don't! You damn dirty liar! It was totally forgettable! ;)

Nah, the first RF was really fun for it's time. Heck, I remember there were a lot of comparisons made between it and the first Half Life with the way the story was worked in with the gameplay. Now RF2? That was a huge disappointment.
I remember RF2...but only remember playing it, nothing about the actual gameplay. I can't even remember if I beat it or not.

[Gorvi]

I remember RF2...but only remember playing it, nothing about the actual gameplay. I can't even remember if I beat it or not.
RF2 was forgettable. It looked better, but had a much worse story and the gameplay just wasn't all that great. It did have some pretty good multiplayer, though. Better than Timesplitters 2 anyway, which came out around the same time.

[Ultima Thulian]

I remember the Red Faction games. Though were pretty solid for console shooters at the time. Time has been very unkind to them though.

PS2 launch was forgettable, but it's first year, particularly the latter months, were not. You'd have to be a fuckwit troll to think otherwise. Few consoles can say they had that many influential and quality titles within it's first year.

However, if I had to choose a best launch, I'd say the GBA or Dreamcast. Great launch titles that hit several genres.

As for the list, I'm dissapointed in the Wii list. Given the financial success of the Wii, the third party support should be stronger. However, perhaps third-parties know the success and demographic of the Wii to well, and think it a fad, so the release crap release after crap release. I enjoy my Wii console, and it has some great features and offers some great innovative play at times, but goddamn, I never seen a system with so many shitty games in such a short time, and remain so goddamn successful. Hopefully, it will blossom like the DS did, but I doubt it. As Kelegacy said, we could be seeing another gamecube here.

The DS list is much more promising, and I'm excited by the surprises in store for the system, such as wii-to-ds integration. I liked it back with the GBA-GCN, but it was limited, but this time it shouldn't be that way. It could really rock.

That being said, of all the 2008 lineups, the PS3's is the nicest looking. I don't own a PS3, but I will soon. In all honesty, I'm surprised by the solid 2008 by the PS3, given how sprinkled the quality game tend to be on that system.

[Ultima Thulian]

RF2 was forgettable. It looked better, but had a much worse story and the gameplay just wasn't all that great. It did have some pretty good multiplayer, though. Better than Timesplitters 2 anyway, which came out around the same time.


I'd argue TSII had the better MP, but RF2 had the better single player.

[Gorvi]

I'd argue TSII had the better MP, but RF2 had the better single player.
Yeah, I know that was what most people thought. TS2 just really disappointed me after the first one. The one thing that really stands out to me in my memory is the menus being completely awful for setting up multiplayer options.