Total Videogames: Sony loses support of Nippon Ichi (Disgaea, La Pucelle, etc..)

[Red Cloak]

From Total Videogames:

Nippon Ichi Software America suggests support for Playstation will switch to Microsoft and Nintendo...

Fans of Nippon Ichi’s distinct strategy titles such as Disgaea, Phantom Brave and La Pucelle can look forward to future titles on the Xbox360 and Nintendo Revolution, potentially moving away from the high-end Playstation3 in an interview recently featured on Gamasutra.

Speaking to Jack Niida, Nippon Ichi Software America Marketing Coordinator, few specific details are revealed however he does suggest that the next-generation of formats could reverse the dwindling Japanese videogame market.
SOURCE (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Nippon_Ichi_Xbox360_+_Revolution_Support_8149_0_0. htm)

Another day, another Japanese developer jumps ship.....

[bobbler]

Sounds like another case of someone giving their spin on what someone said -- meaning, just like the Square thing, without the original quote it doesn't mean much and probably doesn't imply anything of the nature that TVG is implying. This little article didn't even bother giving the quote that made the person believe this was the case.

What is with people lately? They stretch what people say so far past their meaning...

[Red Cloak]

Sounds like another case of someone giving their spin on what someone said -- meaning, just like the Square thing, without the original quote it doesn't mean much and probably doesn't imply anything of the nature that TVG is implying. This little article didn't even bother giving the quote that made the person believe this was the case.

What is with people lately? They stretch what people say so far past their meaning...


The 'bad translation card' reminds me a lot of the 'walmart card' used when the Gamecube's sales were tanking in the US.

[bobbler]

I didn't use a bad translation card, I used a person most likely completely missing the point of a quote card (as has previously been the case many times).

Did you actually see the original quote in either of these cases? (the quote that caused the square thing can just as easily be construed to mean that Xbox360 won't get any Square games and only PS3/Rev will or that PS3 will still have the main franchises and other franchises will be made for Rev/Xbox2, etc, etc -- depending on how you twist it you can make it mean almost anything).

Like I said... what is with people lately?

Forgive me for being a bit hostile, but this shit is absurd if you bother to think about it for more than thirty seconds (as in reading the quotes and not taking them out of context).

This forum is growing dumber and dumber the closer to next gen launches we get.

[Adewade]

Uh oh, we've still got quite a while yet...

[Red Cloak]

Like I said, it's Walmart all over again.... :rolleyes:

[Twigz'N'Berries]

From Total Videogames:


SOURCE: http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Nippon_Ichi_Xbox360_+_Revolution_Support_8149_0_0. htm


Another day, another Japanese developer jumps ship.....

Interesting post...incorrect, but interesting post.

If anyone wants to hear the truth in what he said, chek out this link.
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050802/sheffield_01.shtml


Gamasutra: What do you think of the state of the Japanese industry right now?

Niida: I'd say It's been lagging a little. There aren't many exciting titles. But with the introduction of PS3, Xbox 360, Revolution, it's going to change.

Gamasutra: Will Nippon Ichi be making games for next gen?

Niida: We are seriously thinking of working to Xbox 360 and also Revolution.


So, they are thinking about it.
Well, I think about banging Elisha Cuthbert but that isn't necessarily going to happen....today. Mwa ha ha ha!!

[Twigz'N'Berries]

I didn't use a bad translation card, I used a person most likely completely missing the point of a quote card (as has previously been the case many times).

Did you actually see the original quote in either of these cases? (the quote that caused the square thing can just as easily be construed to mean that Xbox360 won't get any Square games and only PS3/Rev will or that PS3 will still have the main franchises and other franchises will be made for Rev/Xbox2, etc, etc -- depending on how you twist it you can make it mean almost anything).

Like I said... what is with people lately?

Forgive me for being a bit hostile, but this shit is absurd if you bother to think about it for more than thirty seconds (as in reading the quotes and not taking them out of context).

This forum is growing dumber and dumber the closer to next gen launches we get.


Wow, you seem a little miffed that you get bad info from a forum. Who'd have though it...

If you find something incorrect, ask for a source or look for info to negate what was said. I find that a more constructive, less anger inducing method of dealing with misinfo.

[Frogleg Special]

Xbox Spin Doctor is at it again, yeah!

[bobbler]

You bet I'm miffed. Mostly at the people who write the articles (like the article linked in this case) and choose to interpret the quotes they are based on however they feel (and oddly enough, all conspiracy theories aside, most of it is pro MS/anti Sony). Then I get stuck constantly defending a company who I have no loyalties to just in the name of trying to keep information correct -- most people, when asked to look at the source don't seem to understand their follies (the cause of the original problem).

[Dracula-X]

From Total Videogames:Another day, another Japanese developer jumps ship.....
Kamalot, is that you?

:D

[mkelehan]

Not surprised at all that NIS America would say this. I can't imagine they've had an easy time convincing Sony to let them release their stuff here.

[Kefkataran]

I can't imagine they've had an easy time convincing Sony to let them release their stuff here.

Maybe with Disgaea, but after that I think it's probably been pretty easy. Oh, and, if you look at the actual quote, they, you know, didn't say this.

[Furious Wang]

I can see them going multiplatform but that doesn't mean they won't be making games for PS3. I imagine you'll see every company out there making games for 360. No Sony Exclusive company wants to sit on their hands for a year or more waiting for the PS3 to come out.

Just wait for the 360 GTA 4 Fall 2006 announcement. Its coming.

[Savok]

A multi-platform Nippon Ichi would remove all but one reason to buy a PS3, and that last reason is more of a gamble then anything else.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Just wait for the 360 GTA 4 Fall 2006 announcement. Its coming.

Oh god Wang...

If you are going to say crap like that, then you better damn well be able to back it up. I'm with Bobbler in the sense that you should have to 'prove' random crap you spew out like this. I can't find anything that leads you to believe this and I double dog dare you to support such a statement with any facts.

As everyone knows you can't get much more intense than the double dog dare.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

You bet I'm miffed. Mostly at the people who write the articles (like the article linked in this case) and choose to interpret the quotes they are based on however they feel (and oddly enough, all conspiracy theories aside, most of it is pro MS/anti Sony). Then I get stuck constantly defending a company who I have no loyalties to just in the name of trying to keep information correct -- most people, when asked to look at the source don't seem to understand their follies (the cause of the original problem).

No, you are not stuck correcting issues. You choose to correct them. There is a big difference. You could just say 'whatever' and move on. No one said you have to defend Sony...or truth, justice and the videogame way.

But you fight the 'good fight' and correct all the bad postings. Good show sir, good show!

[riposte101]

Oh god Wang...

If you are going to say crap like that, then you better damn well be able to back it up. I'm with Bobbler in the sense that you should have to 'prove' random crap you spew out like this. I can't find anything that leads you to believe this and I double dog dare you to support such a statement with any facts.

As everyone knows you can't get much more intense than the double dog dare.

Chill man. He's just expressing his opinion.

[riposte101]

I don't doubt that more and more developers are going to go multiplatform next-gen. It just makes sense logically. Developers are about making money and going multiplatform presents the best way to do that.

[rein]

Wow, you seem a little miffed that you get bad info from a forum. Who'd have though it...

If you find something incorrect, ask for a source or look for info to negate what was said. I find that a more constructive, less anger inducing method of dealing with misinfo.


This isn't the forum. (or is it? :confused: ) This is the news page. I pop in and out throughout the day and a lot of times don't have time to fact check or read some of the linked articles. I too wish people would be a little more responsible if they are going to submit news items. It is a great site and especially great for a quick news update. I sure don't want it to go down hill because of misrepresentation of articles.

As far is the Nippon Ichi titles go, I hope they do make it to other consoles. I don't see it as a make or break it situation for Sony. They are great games but not the biggest in sales that I am aware of. I have never had a customer come in and say I want to get the PS2 because it has La Pucelle.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

This isn't the forum. (or is it? :confused: ) This is the news page.[/I]


forum
<messaging> (Plural "fora" or "forums") Any discussion group
accessible through a dial-in BBS (e.g. GEnie, CI$), a
mailing list, or a Usenet newsgroup (see network,
the). A forum functions much like a bulletin board; users
submit postings for all to read and discussion ensues.

It is a videogame/pc news forum. There would be no reason to allow anyone to post responses to other posts if it was just a newspage. I know what you are saying though. I personally wouldn't believe anything said in a forum unless the poster can back up their info. I'd hate to see the forum go down as well. But, that is the danger of listening to postings and accepting them as gospel. Gotta fact check.

[Reanimated]

I read the original article, and when asked if they were working on next gen systems, the interviewee only mentioned Xbox 360 and Revolution. I do find it odd that he left out the PS3, but I don't know if it means they've jumped ship. They're probably just going multiplatform.

Anyway I love SRPGs and would certainly welcome any early NI additions to the 360 library.

[Cyrano]

When I read the quote, I took it to mean that in addition to the PS3 (too obvious to even state), they are considering adding 360 and Revolution. Of course, that's just an impression.

[frederec]

I remember reading in an interview (in the Makai Kingdom strategy guide) that Nippon Ichi isn't in a big hurry to start working on next-gen systems. They are working on a new PS2 title and will choose a next gen system when there is more or less a proven winner, like PS2 this time. They're going to go with whatever has the greatest market penetration.

This article is really from NISA's point of view. So when they talk about branching out, they're talking about localising games for other consoles from other companies, in addition to whatever NI does. Like Atelier Iris or the PSP title they're working on now.

I really like this company, not just because their games rock, but they seem to be very modest in their ambitions, making sure to profit, while pleasing their fans. I appreciate any Japanese company that listens to American fans (New Game+ feature in Makai Kingdom was put there because USA fans like it).

[Kefkataran]

I'm starting to agree with Savok, for god's sake. :p

[Savok]

Is it just me or has a lot of iffy/questionable news gone through the editors here at EvAv more often then not recently? It's starting to hurt credibility, even among those who don't hate the place already.

[Karmakin]

Fairly obvious, if it was up to them, Nippon Ichi would be developing on the PS2 until the end of time, really. But of course, that's going to have to end, I think. (But not anytime soon.).

My guess? Expect to see them test the waters on the Revolution, depending on how early sales of Nintendo's system does. Because of the next-gen systems, only Nintendo is going to greet them with open arms, the other two, because of their 100% HDTV requirements, are totally unsutible for 2D style play.

[Triprotic]

well i'm getting a Xbox360 pretty much regardless. If more JRPGs are on it, the better. I'm a big fan of nippon ichi, and hope they do go multiplatform

[Babbster]

Because of the next-gen systems, only Nintendo is going to greet them with open arms, the other two, because of their 100% HDTV requirements, are totally unsutible for 2D style play.

I've got no horse in the race one way or the other. Like some of the smaller developers, I'll probably end up waiting a while before jumping on any of the next three home consoles. That being said, what I quoted above makes no sense at all. Being at a higher resolution doesn't ruin 2D play, nor does it add great difficulties to 2D (or fixed isometric, or whatever) development. In fact, these kinds of strategy titles will benefit GREATLY from HDTV in at least one very important respect: Clearer text, and potentially more text, can be displayed when the resolution goes up. I expect to start seeing games where text size will be variable so that folks with big-screen TVs can lower the text size and display more information, while those with smaller TVs can increase the text size for easier reading.

Of course, the idea that 2D games benefit less than 3D games from looking good (with which higher resolutions can help) is one of those ridiculous concepts that appeals to a very specific sort of retrogamer nerd - the kind of nerd who might claim that he needs nothing but an SNES and an unlimited supply of caffeine to complete his gaming life.

Short version: HDTV is a good thing, and not just for 3D FPS games.

[Spigot]

I can see them doing well on the Revolution because it has the whole retro-gaming angle as part of its design document.

The Xbox never really embraced the 'wacky Japanese game' genre. It had a couple (Otogi... JSRF... um... that's all I can think of) but nothing to the extent of the Cube or the PS2. The Xbox360 seems to be aimed at even more mainstream gamers than the original was, which makes 2D, wacky TBS and old-school RPG's seem an odd fit.

I'm sure that NIS will probably just be going multiplatform and continue to develop for the PS3 as well as the other two. Actually, come to think of it, having the Nippon Ichi style games on the Xbox360 might be a great move as those of us who do love those games and don't have any for their Xbox would be able to get them.

Did that make sense? I just woke up.

[balamoor]

meh....The console wars are so over.

[KamaItachi]

The Xbox never really embraced the 'wacky Japanese game' genre. It had a couple (Otogi... JSRF... um... that's all I can think of) but nothing to the extent of the Cube or the PS2.



Yeah, those games sure were wacky!


The Xbox360 seems to be aimed at even more mainstream gamers than the original was, which makes 2D, wacky TBS and old-school RPG's seem an odd fit.

The japanese have mainstream gamers too, who happen to like the Nippon Ichi games. They're not exactly niche. This is exactly the sort of thing Microsoft needs if it's to get its foot in the door on the other side of the pond.

Actually, come to think of it, having the Nippon Ichi style games on the Xbox360 might be a great move as those of us who do love those games and don't have any for their Xbox would be able to get them.

Did that make sense? I just woke up.

Yes.

[Kefkataran]

The japanese have mainstream gamers too, who happen to like the Nippon Ichi games. They're not exactly niche. This is exactly the sort of thing Microsoft needs if it's to get its foot in the door on the other side of the pond.

That's a good point. I was curious what the appeal of having Nippon Ichi games on the 360, which seems to cater more to the crowd that wants awesome graphics more than anything else, was. For some reason that hadn't occured to me. Very interesting.

[mister_slim]

Could we check the posts a little better? I'm not saying every newspost needs a lot of time consuming fact checking, but if the editor follows the link and it's a paragraph of speculation based on an out-of-context quote from another site then either link to the real source or don't front page it.

[Spigot]

Yeah, those games sure were wacky!

The japanese have mainstream gamers too, who happen to like the Nippon Ichi games. They're not exactly niche. This is exactly the sort of thing Microsoft needs if it's to get its foot in the door on the other side of the pond.


Well, those WERE the best examples of somewhat off-beat, very 'Japanese' games that I could think of for the Xbox. I mean, they're no Incredible Crisis, but what is? That kind of emphasizes my point of the current Xbox not really pushing the envelope with the odd, quirky games that can be found on the other systems.

I never really thought about the Xbox 360 and the Japanese consumers. If the Nippon Ichi games are that popular with the norms over there, that makes perfect sense. From a North American standpoint it just doesn't make as much sense.

[Achilles]

Gaining Nippon Ichi would be great for the 360, and one less reason to also own a PS3 if someone already had a 360. It could also be a good deal for the Revolution, but I’m not sure how many hard-core tac-RPGrs will be buying one of those, since there are going to be so very few other RPGs on it (Nintendo has mentioned having less 3rd party support than for the GC, and the GC had very few).

I’d also point to Wreckless, Otogi, Phantom Crash and oddly, DOA:XBV as examples of quirky Japanese games on the Xbox. And yeah, there really aren’t very many.

[Kelegacy]

You bet I'm miffed. Mostly at the people who write the articles (like the article linked in this case) and choose to interpret the quotes they are based on however they feel (and oddly enough, all conspiracy theories aside, most of it is pro MS/anti Sony). Then I get stuck constantly defending a company who I have no loyalties to just in the name of trying to keep information correct -- most people, when asked to look at the source don't seem to understand their follies (the cause of the original problem).

My fist is in the air behind you, brother. I have no real, cemented loyalties, but it does bother me when bullshit is spread on toast and fed to me, with me thinking it is jam. I always take that first bite and this metaphor sucks so i'm stopping now bye.

[DeviantBoi]

Nippon Ichi's biggest market is in Japan. What they sell here is a fraction of the sales of their games in Japan.

If the Xbox2 continues to sell like crap in Japan, just like the Xbox, there is no reason for them to develop for it.

[bean19]

Total Videogames is shit.

You don't surmise someone's opinion in an article unless you also give the direct quote. . . They must be taking lessons from Fox News instead of a journalism course.

[bean19]

This isn't the forum. (or is it? :confused: ) This is the news page. I pop in and out throughout the day and a lot of times don't have time to fact check or read some of the linked articles. I too wish people would be a little more responsible if they are going to submit news items. It is a great site and especially great for a quick news update. I sure don't want it to go down hill because of misrepresentation of articles.




Right. Well, if I understand correctly, the problem here is THE SOURCE. . not Evil Avatar. Total Videogames (the news source site) may need to be boycotted or at least watched much more closely by news submitters and editors. Every news industry ends up making mistakes and having to post corrections. It can't be helped, but it can be minimized.