Metroid Prime 3 details begin to surface [Archive]

Everlost_MI

08-03-2005, 03:54 PM

Cube.IGN (http://cube.ign.com/) has posted the details (http://cube.ign.com/articles/638/638879p1.html) regarding Metroid 3 that came out of an interview with the developer Retro Studio. The interview was conducted by Nintendo's offical Metroid series site, Luminoth Temple. (http://www.luminothtemple.com/login.jsp?redirect=http://www.luminothtemple.com/index.jsp)

Here's some of the juicy parts...
Retro acknowledged that Metroid Prime 3 would bring the trilogy to an end. "The plot of Prime 3 is about closure, told against the backdrop of an epic struggle," Retro revealed.

The game will be enhanced by way of Nintendo's new controller for Revolution. "We plan on taking advantage of a number of new features in the Revolution, including the controller," the developer said.

"The 'engine' [we developed] underwent drastic improvements between Metroid Prime 1 and 2, and will see even more between 2 and 3," the company stated. "Our engineers are a very talented and dedicated bunch, and they're constantly looking for ways to make our games run smoother with more detail."
The game is slated for release some time in 2006.

Very nice. Also a nice coincidence since I've just started playing Metroid 2:Echoes. Yeah, I know I am slacker when it comes to playing my Nintendo games.

Plac1d

08-03-2005, 04:06 PM

Well hey, I'm stuck on that pirate elite boss battle for the first Prime. :(

TrackZero

08-03-2005, 04:07 PM

"Very nice. Also a nice coincidence since I've just started playing Metroid 2:Echoes. Yeah, I know I am slacker when it comes to playing my Nintendo games."

Now I don't feel so bad that I'm only half-way through the game (and haven't touched it for the last 2 months).

TheEpicOfTyler

08-03-2005, 04:11 PM

CapnBob

08-03-2005, 04:12 PM

I have not been able to beat the game. I'm at the very end and I can't beat the damn boss.

thecrazyd

08-03-2005, 04:16 PM

Lon Lon Rabbit

08-03-2005, 04:19 PM

You really should try prime... There is a lock on button, meaning you don't have to worry about needing the precision of a mouse like you would in an FPS. It can't be stressed enough how unlike an FPS this series is, despite how much it may look like one.

sicker

08-03-2005, 04:32 PM

I refuse to play FPSs, or even FPAs on consoles. I love Nintendo, and I am sure it is an excellent game, but shitty controls always make me angry. If they were to release it on the PC, I would be all over that (I know they won't). Hopefully, the Revolutions controls will make FPSs playable.

I feel the same way, Halo on the MS Box felt like I was forced to sit in a wheel chair while competing in a triathlon. I was surprised to find that the Prime games have a control scheme that fits the game just fine. It's not a twitch game, that's for sure. I would recommend you rent it and give it shot.

Phades

08-03-2005, 04:52 PM

I refuse to play FPSs, or even FPAs on consoles. I love Nintendo, and I am sure it is an excellent game, but shitty controls always make me angry. If they were to release it on the PC, I would be all over that (I know they won't). Hopefully, the Revolutions controls will make FPSs playable.

Metroid Prime isn't a FPS. It's hard to describe exactly, but it's a very different game. It's more of a first person platformer/adventure game with heavy action elements and puzzles solving. The lack of precision in the controls is not an issue at all in this game like in FPS games. That said, those in the "I refuse to play FPSs on consoles" are robbing themselves of some awesome games.

thecrazyd

08-03-2005, 05:01 PM

Metroid Prime isn't a FPS. It's hard to describe exactly, but it's a very different game. It's more of a first person platformer/adventure game with heavy action elements and puzzles solving. The lack of precision in the controls is not an issue at all in this game like in FPS games. That said, those in the "I refuse to play FPSs on consoles" are robbing themselves of some awesome games.
Like what? Beyond Metroid, name a good FPS on a console. I have played Halo, don't like it, can't stand the controls. Played the shitty ones on the N64, ie Goldeneye and Perfect dark. Crap. Name one good FPS, Metroid aside, as I now realize that I have to try it out.

Adam Blue

08-03-2005, 05:15 PM

Well there's no hope for your limited diversity. Hell, I play some PC FPS's with a gamepad, and learned how to play all FPS's left handed. Metroid isn't a FPS. It's Myst with more control. But like I said, limited diversity.

Anyway, Metroid got mainstream and went downhill with the GBA titles. What the hell was with Zero Mission? I beat it in two hours first play through and it told me what to do and where to go. But while still a good series, nothing has yet touched Super Metroid. And it's sad, because what the hell else is Nintendo doing? Prime and Echos are good, but not as satisfying.

thecrazyd

08-03-2005, 05:23 PM

Why would you want to cripple your control by playing with a gamepad? Mice are so much faster and more precise.

Chagrinful

08-03-2005, 05:41 PM

Metroid Prime>Halo anything.

TKO

08-03-2005, 05:47 PM

Like what? Beyond Metroid, name a good FPS on a console. I have played Halo, don't like it, can't stand the controls.
I'm of somewhat the same opinion .. while I have seen many FPS's that look great on consoles, I truly despise the lack of mouse+kb option. I realise I'm missing out on some cool things, but I hardly have time for the few cool ones that come out on the PC anyway, so I can live with that. (I waited for GTA: San Andreas, and am happy I did. Before that I only really got stuck into Vice City, Wolfenstein, and various flavours of Unreal.)

Besides, racing games are my preferred genre .. and for those I'll rarely play without a proper wheel. It's just better with the right controls, IMHO. And 'right controls' doesn't have to mean an awkward PC-KB+mouse setup, something like a gameclaw and wireless mouse would work great on a console. I could use those easily on my couch/chair.

Played the shitty ones on the N64, ie Goldeneye and Perfect dark.
<Nitpick> Um, weren't they the best thing on the N64 ever? :) ..Them, WaveRace, and MarioKart were about all I played. GE and PD are actually really good through emulation on the PC with emulator-controls tweaked to use keyboard and mouse. (sniping is a breeze) ;)

Achilles

08-03-2005, 05:51 PM

Why would you want to cripple your control by playing with a gamepad? Mice are so much faster and more precise.Because you feel like a floating gun on a zero inertia pivot. You also have the keyboard to compliment it, so hit 5 to switch to grenades, and hold down a key to run. I'll take my less precise aiming, everything at the touch of a finger controls, and analog movement over a mouse and keyboard any day as long as it's well done.

I didn't like how Metroid Prime limited its controls though. It would have been alright if some of the enemies and both of the final bosses didn't exploit their flaws. Having just played through RE4, I think that game is a great example of how a really well designed game can work to eliminate the potential frustration caused by a limited control scheme.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the next version of Metroid since I do think the team was really creative and talented, especially with incorporating things from the original games in a clever and original way into their game.

Adam Blue

08-03-2005, 06:15 PM

Why would you want to cripple your control by playing with a gamepad? Mice are so much faster and more precise.

I'm not. I can play any FPS with a keyboard/mouse just as well with a gamepad. The controls I chose depend on the type of FPS I'm playing. I'm not crippling anything. That's just what YOU are used to.

Jams

08-03-2005, 06:35 PM

I cannot state this boldly enough.
METROID IS NOT A FPS.

Seriously, in my opinion it is the perfect transition for the series from the 2D plane, hell one of my friends who is like a die hard keyboard and mouse man thought it was awesome when he played it, and that was when he thought originally it sucked goats balls before-hand.

The only thing that actually bugs me about Echos is the interface, any 3D rotate style interface gets me angry, simple menu's for the win (e.g. Metroid Prime).

mister_slim

08-03-2005, 06:55 PM

MP3 sells me a Revolution. Hmm, that might be the only next-gen game I'm excited about at this point.

vanlandw

08-03-2005, 07:15 PM

MP3 sells me a Revolution. Hmm, that might be the only next-gen game I'm excited about at this point.

agreed fully...i am excited about a few other games but clearly MP3 is the only reason for me to get a "Revolution" or whatever they end up calling it

kathode

08-03-2005, 08:05 PM

Timesplitters is a freaking awesome FPS only on consoles. I also enjoyed the Rainbow Six game on Xbox.

Jiguryo

08-03-2005, 08:07 PM

The Metroid Prime story arc is a system-seller for me. I bought the Cube as soon as I saw the first one, I've preordered the 2nd one... I sense a pattern shaping up.

Oh yeah, Metroid Prime Hunters also strikes me as a very interesting buy, despite the different purpose of the game.

Nessus

08-03-2005, 08:21 PM

Metroid Prime 3 and Super Smash Bros. Online have sold me on Revolution.

Metroid's always been my favorite series, and I have all the games.

Heretic Machine

08-03-2005, 09:22 PM

I'm like the only Gamecube owner who doesn't like Metroid Prime.

Platforming + Fire Person Perspective = Shit. That's just my opinion... As for the console-FPS bashers... Get a life, and get over the whole "keyboards are teh pwnzer" bullshit.

Lon Lon Rabbit

08-03-2005, 09:38 PM

Platforming + Fire Person Perspective = Shit.

That's certainly the case with most FPS, for example the horrible horrible Turok jumping puzzle scenes that plagued the series, but I feel MP PERFECTLY remedied it, with the way you get the little vision dip downwards as you jump, and because the jumps are much more floaty. Combine that with the fact that before long you have a double jump and you should not ever have any frustration with jumping in the game, I never did in either of the two games.

Phades

08-03-2005, 10:01 PM

Like what? Beyond Metroid, name a good FPS on a console. I have played Halo, don't like it, can't stand the controls. Played the shitty ones on the N64, ie Goldeneye and Perfect dark. Crap. Name one good FPS, Metroid aside, as I now realize that I have to try it out.

Well I personally loved both Halo 1 and 2. Halo was actually the game that sold me on playing FPS games on the console. Before it, I also couldn't stand it. I bought red faction back in the day for the PS2 and only played it for about 10 minutes before deciding I couldn't take the controls. Since Halo, I think many have fixed the problems they had with not feeling right.

Another great FPS game (hybrid, but still big on the FPS stuff) is Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. The Timesplitters series is also awesome. The console Rainbow Six 3 games (Xbox RS3 and Black Arrow) are actually better than the PC version in my opinion. I also thought Killzone was pretty cool, and so was Chronicles of Riddick (of course Riddick is now on the PC). And although I've only played the demo, Darkwatch is pretty awesome. Unreal Championship 2 was also a lot of fun. There's probably others too but that's what I've got off the top of my head.

In some ways I've actually started to prefer the controls on the console. I've realized that if it's done right on the console as in those I listed, the "precise" targetting of the PC isn't all that important to me. I like the feeling of the control pad better for movement than wasd and I like pulling a trigger on an Xbox game to shoot better than clicking a mouse.

But, I can understand and respect why you may not be able to get used to it. Hell, way back in the days of DN3D it took me forever to get used to using a mouse instead of just the keyboard to look around. You like using the keyboard and are having trouble adjusting to a new style of control. Some of us just have trouble letting go of the past.

Just kidding with that last line by the way.

Achilles

08-03-2005, 10:18 PM

I'm like the only Gamecube owner who doesn't like Metroid Prime.I think I was too vague. I didn't like Metroid Prime. I beat the thing but I only really enjoyed a handfull of hours in the middle where there was a lot of new areas being explored. Before and after that it was a lot of back tracking and bug killing while fighting their controls. I think about half the people who bought MP agree with us since the sales for MP2 were less than half that of the first one (in the US).

Deadend

08-03-2005, 11:15 PM

Lots of hate for the console FPS scene I see...

I like some console FPS games... they ones that understand you are using an analog stick, they manage to feel natural, and like Achilles said "a gun on a zero inertia pivot" it is horrible, you have precise control over a floating gun, not a super soldier on the battlefield of tommrow, but simply a floating gun.

Then you go play Halo, where you cannot get the same snap speed going, and somehow the game controls make you feel like your in the body of the Master Chief, just by the way your gun acts, and how he moves.

Then there are the ports from PC to Console, those absolutely suck, as the gameplay isnt altered for the analog sticks and it still feels like a floating gun... but now you have trouble aiming (Jedi Knight 2, Wolfenstien, even Unreal Championship 2) they just lack.... a feel of being part of the game world.

Mister Pie

08-03-2005, 11:54 PM

I loved MP but I haven't bought Echoes yet. It seems like more of the same, and while I really enjoyed the first one, it seemed to end at just the right time. Any comments?

Nessus

08-04-2005, 01:29 AM

Echoes is significantly harder. The Lower Torvus Bog section alone makes the game worth while though.

There are a few boss battles that can be frustratingly difficult. But Quadraxis is one of the best boss battles I've seen in a game in a long time.

I think it introduces enough new elements to keep things fresh. The beam ammo doesn't really affect things as much as you'd expect..

As for getting lost in the game, it also features the same hint system that Metroid Prime did, so if you're stuck you can turn that on and it'll point you in the right direction. I chose not to use it cause I made the mistake of keeping it on when I played the original and I feel it took away from the experience.

Some people I know liked Echoes more, some prefer Metroid Prime. I think I prefer the first game more due to the map layout. The map in Echoes is a lot more complex since every section also has a mirror version. But I prefer the art direction for the most part in Echoes, the arm canon and ship designs in particular.

If you liked the original I'd recommend at least renting Echoes.

kwijibo

08-04-2005, 04:24 AM

I have not been able to beat the game. I'm at the very end and I can't beat the damn boss.

I'm in exactly the same situation.. i gave up a long time ago though :)

I did manage to pass the first Prime though, which I liked more as a game overall. Probably my fav game of all time infact (or damn close)

baz

08-04-2005, 04:54 AM

I just picked up Echos, loved the first one. Just waiting for my Cube to be shipped over from NZ so I can start playing. Might crack and get myself a limited edition RE4 cube though...

51|RandoM

08-04-2005, 07:18 AM

You can't aim as well with a gamepad as you can with a mouse. Anybody with equivalent skill will walk all over your with mouse and keyboard.

If I can only play a certain FPS on a console, then that is what I'll do. If it out on PC, or coming out on pc in the near future, that I'll take that route. Better controls(It is much easier to attach a gamepad to a pc than it is to attach a keyboard/mouse to a console), better chance of enhancements via mod/patch/tc, higher resolutions, larger maps, lower/less loadtimes, higher framerate, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The only place a console wins out is for splitscreen multi with friends in the room, since you can do that with one console, instead of oh, say, 4 computers on a lan.

I haven't even unwrapped my copy of MP2, not sure why I haven't gotten around to playing it. The first one was incredible using a projector for display.

DaedalusFolly

08-04-2005, 07:19 AM

I think we should all be able to agree however, the Metroid Prime series is to be respected as high quality games regardless of whether it was your cup of tea or not. I personally am looking forward to any and all games from Retro, as I have been impressed thus far.

Abednigo

08-04-2005, 07:39 AM

I am at the last boss in MP1 also, although I haven't actually gone down to fight it yet. I was building up my missle max before heading down there. Haven't played in months. But I did order MP2 from EBGames last month during that brief 14.99 sale they had (I'm guessing it was a mistake). So I really should finish the first one and get cracking on the second one. But Ridley took me FOREVER to beat. The last boss must be even worse.

Phades

08-04-2005, 08:27 AM

I'm in the same boat. I bought MP2 for $14.99 but haven't opened it yet. My brother wants to play one but knows he won't play both of them. So, my question is: For the person who hasn't played either and will only play one, which is better? Since I haven't played the 2nd one, I have no idea.

score

08-04-2005, 10:30 AM

If you're new to the series, I would definitely play the original first. While I enjoyed the second one (echoes) I think I enjoyed the original metroid prime more.

Phades

08-04-2005, 10:48 AM

If you're new to the series, I would definitely play the original first. While I enjoyed the second one (echoes) I think I enjoyed the original metroid prime more.

So did you enjoy the first more because it was a better game or just because it was fresh? That's the thing that I think is hardest, being objective about the experience if it was the first time you were exposed to it.

SaintArnold

08-04-2005, 01:07 PM

dr_wily

08-04-2005, 01:53 PM

I play both halo and metroid, enjoy both. completely different.
what the hell is with people thinking that just because a perspective is "first person" you must use a goddamn keyboard and mouse?

I do laugh and agree that i never finished MP either, I tend to lose interest after i unlock all the goodies. (after the black suit, all you search for are runes, missiles and energy tanks.. feh) But that stands for all games.

Nessus

08-04-2005, 02:01 PM

I'd say start with Metroid Prime. It does a better job of easing you into the game, and the difficutly is better for beginners.

Echoes' regular difficulty is at times harder than Metroid Prime's Hard mode.

Draknodred

08-05-2005, 12:47 PM

You can't aim as well with a gamepad as you can with a mouse. Anybody with equivalent skill will walk all over your with mouse and keyboard.

I disagree, it's all a matter of experience and skill... I know some people that can't aim for crap with a mouse but when they have a gamepad they can snipe you from miles away... It's just what people are used to, I will agree that mice are initially easier but I think it could go either way, it's also a matter of the settings for the console controls... If you've mastered Halo with the sensitivity at Max then you can aim fast and then you'll max up nice with the mouse controls, that's also an issue of experience...

Stop bashing the console FPS so much, if controllers aren't your bag then don't play em but for some people it's better.

and as for MP3 I played the first one and am halfway through the second one... but I haven't played for awhile I have no idea where to go, and if I wait for the tip to come up, I don't know how to get there, I'll sit it out sometime soon and get back on the horse, except when I stop playing I'll write down what I am doing or sometihng =)