View Full Version : Mozilla Foundation Goes Corporate
Alexious
08-03-2005, 11:27 AM
Link (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122078,00.asp)
Since a lot of us on this site use the Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/) browser, I thought you'd be interested in this bit of news. It doesn't sound like a drastic change, but it still brings profit into the Mozilla picture.
superherotaco
08-03-2005, 12:18 PM
I've never really understood what is wrong with IE. It's always worked great for me, very very rare errors, usally on poorly coded websites. Can anyone explain this to me?
Justin_McElroy
08-03-2005, 12:22 PM
Dear Superherotaco,
Tabs.
Love,
Justin
P.S. Please enjoy yourself while everyone comes up with other reasons.
Varsity
08-03-2005, 12:32 PM
Tabs, Adblock, CustomizeGoogle, Live Bookmarks and keywords are the biggest boons for me.
Oh, and Mozilla's own new post (http://www.mozilla.org/reorganization/) is a lot better than that one.
NACIONAL
08-03-2005, 12:33 PM
Well good for mozilla.... doing free software is not allways cheap.
I use both browsers.... I like a lot Firefox, but I've never had any problems with IE...(at least in my personal computer)
Herald42
08-03-2005, 12:40 PM
There are dozens of reasons I use Firefox.
Lack of spyware programmed for Firefox. Tabs. The extensions (Bugmenot, for example). A built-in RSS reader (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/live-bookmarks) [Mozilla.org] (I have it keyed for No Mutants Allowed, Slashdot, and Evil Avatar -- makes it easier than visiting all the sites all the time). I've also got Smart Keywords (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/smart-keywords) [Mozilla.org] set up, specifically for imdb, google, askjeeves, and a handful of other sites.
The customizeability is the most important thing for me, and Microsoft doesn't offer that. And, yeah -- the spyware thing is important, too.
Arcon
08-03-2005, 12:58 PM
how about the fact that you can actually support things? Internet technologies have moved on since the last time they did a feature update in Internet Explorer. For one thing, Internet Explorer doesnt support alpha transparency in .png files. Whilst pretty geeky a reason, it shows that if microsoft arent supporting it, then the website world has to hang around.
There's new advances with style sheets and design that Internet Explorer can't even see, let alone process.
then of course there's integrated downloads, automatic updating, tabbed browsing, ad-blocking, RSS feed handling, inbuilt searches and a freaking bazillion plugins which work properly.
Malovech
08-03-2005, 12:58 PM
From a web design standpoint, Firefox does a much better job of interpreting the XHTML and CSS specifications- which are the future of all web design (leaner, faster, more efficiently coded websites). IE has to be hacked around to make it standards compliant (and standards, when followed, make things faster, cheaper and more consistent).
Also Firefox is more secure (it's not integrated into your OS like IE is), rapidly supported by the crazies at Mozilla and when a security hole appears its sealed very quickly (unlike IE which can take over a year to get fixes in).
Heretic Machine
08-03-2005, 01:49 PM
Tabs.
As it turns out, there is an operating system that has tabs built in to somthing called a "toolbar." It's called Windows, yo! It even has it's own browser which doesn't look like shit :)
dr_wily
08-03-2005, 01:57 PM
slimbrowser is a nice tabbed IE browser.. alot of web based apps don't work well with mozilla due to activex and javascript differences.
snubber
08-03-2005, 01:59 PM
1) Adblock.
2) Adblock.
3) Adblock.
4) Tabs. MUCH better than just having multiple IE windows w/ Alt-Tab, trust me.
5) If you're a web dev, the tools Firefox has to help you are INDISPENSIBLE (Web Dev toolbar).
Oddmaker
08-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Firefox is slow for me so thats why i use ie.
Alexious
08-03-2005, 03:01 PM
slimbrowser is a nice tabbed IE browser.. alot of web based apps don't work well with mozilla due to activex and javascript differences.
I would like to point out that we are talking about Firefox and not Mozilla. Even though the Mozilla Foundation releases it, Firefox is 10 times the browser Mozilla was. Two very different things.
Personally, I can't think of the last time a website didn't work with Firefox. I even use Firefox with my internet banking and I really thought that would be a problem.
Phades
08-03-2005, 03:12 PM
For me it's all about the tabs. That and I've just grown to like the interface better... perhaps that because I CHOSE IT!
falak
08-03-2005, 03:37 PM
As it turns out, there is an operating system that has tabs built in to somthing called a "toolbar." It's called Windows, yo! It even has it's own browser which doesn't look like shit :)Give it up, Bill. :p
Rommel
08-03-2005, 06:22 PM
It has a better UI than IE and is more secure. You do not get pop ups or system hacks like you do with IE, which I now keep disabled. I prefered Opera's UI above all, actually, but Firefox works with more websites and decided that it was the best overall. Now if they could find a way to combine the best of all three... hm, you know I wonder why MS doesn't do that?
As it turns out, there is an operating system that has tabs built in to somthing called a "toolbar." It's called Windows, yo!
Nice attempt to troll .. actually it's a taskbar, but that's nitpicking. ;) Oh yeah, taskbar really works. </sarcasm> I have 20 tabs open in one Firefox window, I can just click on any one to get there. WinXP will group those, so I have to click the taskbar, and then the 'tab', and the down-to-up ordering is confusing (and lacks website icons.) ..turn grouping off and other programs are squeezed out on the taskbar, and closing them all browser 'tabs' is easier (with a nice confirmation window to make sure it ain't *too* easy.)
Tabbed-browsing simply rocks in ways that people who haven't tried it can never understand.
It even has it's own browser which doesn't look like shit :)
Never tried skinning the browser, eh? ;) ..Oh, that's right, with IE you *can't*. And honestly, IE doesn't look too wonderful these days. The skinning and plugin options for Firefox are amazing. Just check the website to see what there is.
My other reasons for Firefox (which also rocks in many ways over Mozilla too, IMHO), are the google-bar (or whatever other search-plugin you choose to plug-in there), the cool text-search options, RSS, AdBlock, *ADBLOCK*, and the lack of spyware. (I see *so* many customers at work whose PC has turned to s**t because of spyware that gets in thru IE.)
Oh, IE-settings-import, text-resizing, the ability to *not* have plugins for flash/shockwave adverts, and to stop anim-gifs animating. Those things rock.
slimbrowser is a nice tabbed IE browser.. alot of web based apps don't work well with mozilla due to activex and javascript differences.
True, there are tabbed options to go with an IE renderer .. still leaves you with the IE vulnerabilies tho. And I can't remember the last time I had to switch to IE for a website. There is *very* little out there that doesn't work with Firefox. (If it doesn't work with Firefox, what the hell kind of web-designer are they anyway?)
Firefox is slow for me so thats why i use ie.
Are you serious? Dude, if Firefox is slow on your machine I don't know how you are able to use it for playing any *games*.
gojira
08-03-2005, 07:17 PM
Mozilla/Firefox has had pop-up blocking for like 5 years now. IE just got it (I hear). Plus Mozilla is much easier to make it NOT run viruses automagically when they arrive at your inbox. That's a nice security feature.
(Yes, I'm aware of the difference between Mozilla and Firefox. I mostly use Mozilla on this machine because I like the full features. On others I have just installed Firefox because that's all they needed.)
xanthome
08-03-2005, 08:05 PM
I like Opera (especially on my HTPC), it's so funny how all these firefox guys are coming out saying how great all these features that Opera has had for a long time are. I will say that livebookmarks is a cool firefox feature that Opera doesn't have.
Adewade
08-04-2005, 01:18 AM
My Firefox is prone to shutting down on me and taking an age to get started in general... and RSS feeds/tabs don't really interest me at all. Adblock is the only reason I can think of to switch, proper, but that's not reason enough, for me.
IE does just run faster for me.
AbeLincoln
08-04-2005, 05:39 AM
I held out on getting Mozilla till about half a year ago, I love Firefox now. Middle mouse clicking a link to open it in a new tab rather than right clicking the link going down the menu and left clicking open in new window is a small thing but it is what I use the most. That and mouse gestures. And I do have the "open this page in IE" extension so all my bases are covered but I prefer to browse in Firefox. I am a converted skeptic.
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