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MrMeatshake
08-03-2005, 06:49 AM
Enter this in the 'it ain't broke so lets break it' category: leaks suggest that the PS3 will not be compatable with any of the front connectors from the PS1 or 2.
the PS3 will not use PS1 or PS2 cartridges, instead relying Memory Stick Duo sticks to save data ... [and] older PS2 gamepads and other peripherals such as dancemats, will also not work with the PS3.
However, there's some good news for the Sony next-gen faithful, too:
A TiVo style peripheral will enable TV programmes to be saved on to the optional mini hard-disk, whilst the PSP will act as a WiFi remote control for such functionality.
I suppose the front connectors were bound to change with a new wireless controller as standard, and because of the new memory card standards used in the PSP, though... And that's great news about the HDD, this is what I hoped the X360 would do with thier HDD.
Original story (http://www.ferrago.com/story/6300) on Ferrago (http://www.ferrago.com)
Goronmon
08-03-2005, 06:59 AM
I hate to do it, but I am going to go with a "meh" on this one.
At this point, all of this extra stuff is worthless to me. I am buying the PS3 for games, anything else that they add which ends up driving up the cost just decreases the chance that I'll be getting the console anytime near release.
netcraazzy
08-03-2005, 07:00 AM
Most of this news has already been covered but I believe the reason the 360 isn't getting full TiVo functions is because Microsoft does not want to canibalize their windows media center software. The 360 will act as an extender to windows computers, including windows media center PCs allowing you to stream the content across your network. I have a functional Myth TV box for TiVo type stuff but I'm considering switching to media center if the extender features in the 360 are robust engough.
Kefkataran
08-03-2005, 07:07 AM
Well, I'm buying PS3 for games as well, but I'd like to be able to play the old-generation games as well, unfortunately. Although I doubt it'll be very hard for some 3rd-party company like Mad Catz to come out with some special peripheral that allows the use of PS1/PS2 memory cards, so easy enough.
MrMeatshake
08-03-2005, 07:07 AM
Most of this news has already been covered but I believe the reason the 360 isn't getting full TiVo functions is because Microsoft does not want to canibalize their windows media center software. The 360 will act as an extender to windows computers, including windows media center PCs allowing you to stream the content across your network.
ah, thanks netcraazzy, that's cleared this up in my mind a bit. still slightly annoying of them...
EDIT: oops, this looks like it might be a repost (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4077)
EvilBob46
08-03-2005, 07:15 AM
Can you save PS1/PS2 data on a PS3 memory card? If not, how will you go about saving?
EDIT: btw, Xbox 360 and PS3: powerful enough to emulate PS1? PS2?
Commissar Rob
08-03-2005, 07:32 AM
What I don't get about all this added functionality is...didn't they already try this with the PSX (http://www.psx.sony.co.jp/)? Didn't it fail absymally? Why try again?
Kamalot
08-03-2005, 07:41 AM
How will you be able to play PS2 games that use the hard drive?
What I don't get about all this added functionality is...didn't they already try this with the PSX (http://www.psx.sony.co.jp/)? Didn't it fail absymally? Why try again?
I agree. The more Sony talks, the less appealing a PS3 sounds.
This article covers is printed in PSM. The original PSM article also says that games will play at faster frame rates when not in HD mode, which this article fails to mention.
It's something PC gamers have been able to do for years: Run their games at a lower resolution in order to speed them up. As it stands, Sony is leaving the door open for developers to offer players the ability to make their games run faster and smoother by using lower resolutions like 480p(progressive) or 480i(the standard egular TVs use). Sony obviously wouldn't want to abandon the majority of gamers who have non-HDTVs do by forcing all games to run at 720p. It's nice to hear that HD-less folks will get a little speed (can't read) from the lower resolutions, but if you're like us, it's all about resolution, baby.
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=4433
That's just sad.
I'd rather have a higher frame rate with more graphical effects at a lower resolution than an HD-Slideshow.
PantherModern
08-03-2005, 07:46 AM
I actually own the current Xbox Media Center extender, and I have to say that it is pretty darn sweet. I was looking for an easy solution to use my PC as a PVR and then get the shows to my older, non-HD TV. I didn't really feel like running video output cables to my TV from my computer on the other side of the room, and the Xbox just uses whatever connection it has to your home network to stream video and live TV. I just have expanded basic cable, so using the extender gives me program guides and all that swanky stuff. It was nice simply because it was already the device hooked to my TV.
If the 360 does that out of the box (and a bit more stably, cause it does crash sometimes and have to be reconnected), then it is certainly a cool feature.
Xerxes
08-03-2005, 07:47 AM
Isn't Xbox 360 supposed to come out with a media center/console version... I mean admitting to adding HD-DVD is the addmission that there will be another version of the xbox... O_o
This is like standing the school yard watching a fight but this is the part when two kids keep just standing there talking about what they gonna do... "OOOoooo I'm gonna hit you so hard..."
MrMeatshake
08-03-2005, 07:59 AM
This is like standing the school yard watching a fight but this is the part when two kids keep just standing there talking about what they gonna do... "OOOoooo I'm gonna hit you so hard..."
lol. very true, and welcome to the forums, Xerxes :D
Selar
08-03-2005, 08:28 AM
I suppose the front connectors were bound to change with a new wireless controller as standard
But that's the thing. They don't need any ports on the front for the basic controllers so why not leave the old ports there?
The PS3 will not work like aTiVo. This is pre-launch hype and bullshit.
Xerxes
08-03-2005, 08:36 AM
Groo most of it is... Sometimes it feels like they both are say stuff to see what the buzz is but not STATING what's what... In truth instead of being in forums talking about next gen we should ignore them both until something solid comes out... But that's not going to happen is it..
Dr.Finger
08-03-2005, 08:50 AM
A) Sony will make a killing selling "PS2 memory card to memory stick duo converters" and "PS2 controller to USB converters". Remember the big profits are in accessories.
B) The media center stuff will happen for one simple reason, easy money. Sony will be able to charge Tivo-like monthly rates for the service, and they may even link that service with the PS3 online service. Not to mention the favt that to make use of HD-DVR you'll probably need to buy the Sony high capacty HD or whatever they'll end up calling it.
Justin_McElroy
08-03-2005, 09:33 AM
Now I'll never play Starsky and Hutch AGAIN!
MrMeatshake
08-03-2005, 09:38 AM
In truth instead of being in forums talking about next gen we should ignore them both until something solid comes out.
hm, speculating about future hardware and software is kinda all most of us do on here. well, that and the flaming. and the trolling. and the fanboi-ism. and the pedantry (on my part, that is).
*grumble* what about my $100+ DDR pad? my Light gun, hell, i'm now even stuck using the damn boomerang, as well as not being able to carry over any of my save files?
The PS3 gets less and less impressive the more stuff they say. This sounds like a cost issue rather than anything else. "yeah, we can shove on 3 ethernet cords.... but fuck backwards compatibility thats worthwhile!"
Kefkataran
08-03-2005, 10:37 AM
They'll HAVE to present some way to carry over saved files. I mean seriously.
*grumble* what about my $100+ DDR pad? my Light gun, hell, i'm now even stuck using the damn boomerang, as well as not being able to carry over any of my save files?
The PS3 gets less and less impressive the more stuff they say. This sounds like a cost issue rather than anything else. "yeah, we can shove on 3 ethernet cords.... but fuck backwards compatibility thats worthwhile!"
Fuck backwards compaitability indeed. It's time for something new.
Xerxes
08-03-2005, 10:42 AM
Fuck backwards compaitability indeed. It's time for something new.
Whooooooaaa I need my PS1 Madden 97 saves...
Kefkataran
08-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Fuck backwards compaitability indeed. It's time for something new.
Fuck losing the ability to play the tons of great games that have come out over previous generations. I want great new stuff as much as the next guy, but there's very little reason to cut backwards compatibility from new generations of hardware at this point.
Last of the Red Hot Mamas
08-03-2005, 12:19 PM
What I don't get about all this added functionality is...didn't they already try this with the PSX (http://www.psx.sony.co.jp/)? Didn't it fail absymally? Why try again?
Because an add-on isn't even remotely the same thing as a $700 set-top box?
Meshyf
08-03-2005, 11:21 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like nobody is going to be getting this at launch?
I know I'll wait a year or so. Waiting gets you a price break, better games and all the extra stuff that it looks like you're going to need to do basic stuff.
Screw PS3.
At least Xbox 360 seems like it'll be ok at launch.
Kefkataran
08-04-2005, 06:57 AM
I'll get one at launch if the price of it and the hard drive is less than $400. Which seems unlikely, so oh well.
Of course the release of MGS4 near launch could push me over pretty easily, so we'll see how that turns out.
Fuck losing the ability to play the tons of great games that have come out over previous generations. I want great new stuff as much as the next guy, but there's very little reason to cut backwards compatibility from new generations of hardware at this point.
You can still play the old games. But if you've already played the shit out of the old games, what's the point of playing them anymore? Backwards compaitability isn't good for much more than a bit of nostalgia every now and then.
Kefkataran
08-05-2005, 06:36 AM
You can still play the old games. But if you've already played the shit out of the old games, what's the point of playing them anymore? Backwards compaitability isn't good for much more than a bit of nostalgia every now and then.
I utterly disagree if only for the fact that there are STILL tons of PS1 titles (both that I own and do not own) that I really want to play and complete. And many PS1 and PS2 titles that I know I'll want to replay at some point because I really loved them. Honestly, that's like saying watching old movies or reading old books is only ever good for nostalgia. And, in my opinion, keeping on par with other art mediums is exactly one of the reasons the videogame industry needs to embrace backwards compatibility as much as possible.
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