From the "I Need New Shorts" Department: NEW Gears of War footage

[Reanimated]

G4tv.com recenty conducted an interview with Cliffy B. of Epic games. During the interview a ton of new footage (http://files.filefront.com/GoW_Video/;3977763;;/fileinfo.html) was shown of Gears of War. Grab the file and be sure have extra shorts on-hand. Mine currently have a little tinkle in them (not of Wind Waker fame).

It would probably be prudent to mirror the file, if anyone wants to volunteer. I'll have my own up in a few minutes.

[Thenetcase]

Not impressed.

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[Reanimated]

Not impressed.

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You should wait to look in your shorts until AFTER the movie. Also, you should be looking down the back; not the front.

[Thenetcase]

You should wait to look in your shorts until AFTER the movie. Also, you should be looking down the back; not the front.

Nah.. it does look pretty good and all... but I don't think that this is going to be a shining example of how awesome the new technology is. Why? Because there are obvious polygon issues in some of the terrain objects and non-active objects in the game. A lot of it looks exactly like current PC tecnology with some cool lights and glows added (which really doesn't do anything for the actual gameplay). Sure, it looks nice but it doesn't make me want to crap my pants.

Maybe I'm caloused. Maybe I'm just too hardcore in my demands for the new technology. But as expensive as it's going to be and as hyped as it is, I want to see something that'll blow me away and make me say, "Wow! That's photographic gameplay!". But this doesn't do that yet. Project Gotham Racing 3 almost does... but it's not a shooter.

I DID like the emphasis on Coop mode. It's about frigging time too. There are so many games that would awesome with Coop mode, but developers are too lazy to actually implement that. Rainbow 6 was always great in cooperative!

Bottom line: To me, this doesn't look MUCH better than Half Life 2. Obviously there are some ways in which it obviously IS better, but not enough to make me get very excited -- Even though the game itself looks like fun.

Another reason not to believe that this is a shining example of future technologies is because it's a debut game. If you want to see what a console is really capable of doing, you need to wait at least 6 months or a year after release. That's when the really impressive games start coming out. :)

Just my two cents. Sorry to kind of be so... harsh... there.

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[milkaxor]

"Wow! That's photographic gameplay!".
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Photgraphic gameplay??? How can gameplay be photographic?? *head explodes*

[edit]
News flash - PC visuals have always been leaps and bounds ahead of consoles. Take a look at HL2 PC and then take a look at HL2 on the xbox, world of difference. Also, with new hardware always comes hype and unreachable expectations. The second and third gen games will look better than the first, stop basing so much of your "next-gen isn't worth it" sentiment on launch titles.

[Reanimated]

I think you're a bit too jaded there. You might want to look into a new hobby. I like golf, personally. The IRL graphics on the courses are amazing.

This looks just as good as that pre-rendered Killzone footage, except it's running in real time on real Xbox 360 hardware. If that's not exciting, I don't know what is. And yes, everyone knows that the first gen of games will pale in comparison to 2nd and 3rd gen titles, but that's no reason to not get excited over what we're seeing now. Also, I don't know that we're ever going to see some HUGE jump over HL2's visuals. I mean there are places in that game where I could take screenshots, show them to several people, and have most of them not be able to tell me if it's a real picture or not. I'm not sure how you create some vast improvement over that.

[Paranoia]

Killzone 2 was cgi. haw haw!

[Red Cloak]

Wow looks amazing. And it's an actual game to boot.

[BlindSwordsman]

Very nice - cant wait for this one!

[jeffool]

I DID like the emphasis on Coop mode. It's about frigging time too. There are so many games that would awesome with Coop mode, but developers are too lazy to actually implement that. Rainbow 6 was always great in cooperative!Eh, I don't criticize developers too much for not being gungho about coop. Halo really helped out the coop cause. Apparently many developers think that multiplayer can take the place of coop (after all, you are on teams with people,) but I think they're finally coming around. They realize people want to all be on the same team against the game, now. Kinda like D&D. (If you really want to get heady about it, go read this blog (http://particleblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/players-journey.html).) But yeah, it's nice to see.

[Liquidize105]

It looks good, but what the hell for?

It's like Chaos Theory: great looking, very little change.

[Dracula-X]

This has got my interest for sure (in the hopes that the gameplay will be there), but it is not change-shorts-worthy. Not even close.

[sTubbs]

For all those saying this is a launch title - it is not. This devs have consistently said that this game will not be ready until well into 2006 at the earliest. In my opinion, this is the best looking game that the next gen of consoles has to offer at this point. I see nothing that can compete with it on the 360, and my official stance on the PS3 is that nothing worthy of serious consideration has been shown. Not that any of this matters - I am simply looking forward to some kickass co-op, which [as it has been said too many times already] is a grossly overlooked game feature.

[snubber]

I'm downloading it now so haven't seen it, but I will agree with the "not impressed" thing for this reason: I'm still waiting for a 3d game that really revolutionary NOT just in graphics. We're inching along there perhaps, now that things like Physics are commonplace, but I'm talking engines where you can destroy entire buildings....collapse a bottom floor and the sniper on the second floor spills down as the house collapse; drive a tank through a wall...surprise! Or have it generate random levels on the fly, etc.

These new engines LOOK cool, but they seem to be the same towny bar chick you picked up last week dressed in new clothes. Same compiled lighting / static geometry thing, just now with higher polygon counts, HDRI, normal mapping, etc.

I want to drive a motherfurking tank through a wall people!

[Hellstorm]

Anyone remember the last GREAT single player game Epic made? How long ago was that??? GoW is going to be a great looking game, much like the first Unreal and just like the first Unreal, GoW is going to be "meh" single player wise.

[LilEvilFish]

looks like some cgi.. yawn

[mister_slim]

Hmm... no urine or feces in my shorts.

I suppose one of the advantages of being jaded would be less laundry.

[Klade]

I thought it looked pretty nifty. Hopefully it or something like it will come out for the PC but knowing microsoft they probably secured an exclusive on all the games they are hyping now.

[Skookum]

Meh. Looks pretty "same old" to me. Exactly what about this made you want to change your drawers? The vehicle in motion was particularily silly. That clip itself was pretty lame though. I'll await a better quality (high res, no Cliffy B., no bubbleheads) preview before final judgement.

Damn, if only that PS3 video had been for real.

[Morrolan]

I was a little non-plussed by the framerate in some places, but Epic has been making enormous strides, where that's concerned, so I have no doubt that they'll be able to make it even more solid before release. Besides that, looks amazing.

In particular, the bit where they're hopping out of the helicopter, with the sun beating down on them... wow. Now there is a shot to convince people of the power of HDRL.

I love to say 'gameplay gameplay gameplay' and all that, but I'll be damned if this next generation isn't getting me excited simply based on graphical quality. Once a few games come out, and I've played them, I'll probably settle back down and be able to evaluate upcoming games as they should be evaluated. For now, though, hell yeah.

[Reanimated]

In particular, the bit where they're hopping out of the helicopter, with the sun beating down on them... wow. Now there is a shot to convince people of the power of HDRL.



Heh, that was my favorite part as well. The dust kicking up, the lighting, the complex shadows coming from the trees, the facial animations, the highly detailed texture art... plus that helicopter just looks cool as hell. Very impressive.

[Shifteh]

"You get the benefits of first person AND third person."

Looks more like you get the detractions of both. I'm sick and tired of staring at the back of my characters head. The whole time that demo ran it looked... sideways, is the best way I can describe it. I really wish developers would stop using third person - it simply makes aiming more irritating.

[Reanimated]

Yeah, RE4 was terrible with this perspective. :rolleyes:

Every game ever made should be an FPS. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TrackZero]

Goddamn GoW looks great. And with co-op mode, this is exactly what I want for a launch title.

[sTubbs]

Goddamn GoW looks great. And with co-op mode, this is exactly what I want for a launch title.

Sigh. Like I said a few posts up, this is not a launch title. The devs have consistently stated that it will be finished around mid 2006.

[Dirty Harry]

Yeah, RE4 was terrible with this perspective. :rolleyes:

Every game ever made should be an FPS. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
hey fuckhead, there hasnt be a real resident evil that was a fps, so dont fucking knock it untill you have played some horror fps games. Clive barkers comes to mind as one of the freakiest games i have ever played. Personally i think fps games suck because they really dont make it fun, whats fun about moving a mouse and clicking a button? huh answer me that :P/.

[Furious Wang]

I just want one question answered:

When will Epic remake ZZT?

[Furious Wang]

hey fuckhead,

hey donkey piss drinking aborted fetus eating mother fistfucker.

[Chagrinful]

Whoever came up with the term "killerapp" should be murdered for it's overuse/abuse these days. Overall as everyone else has said *yawn* "Well I like to call it 2nd person *chuckles*" well blow me and call me the "2nd" person you stupid fuck it's like RE4 view thats STILL 3rd person. It really doesn't look too impressive for a next gen game. OOOH you get to DUCK AND COVER ALOT!!! OMG!! Why that doesn't at all sound like oh hmm say KILLZONE?? Now does it? nah not at all.

[Worldcrafter]

Originally Posted by Furious Wang
Originally Posted by DirtyHarry
hey fuckhead,


hey donkey piss drinking aborted fetus eating mother fistfucker.


Yup, that about sums up my reaction to that guy's post too!

[Reanimated]

hey fuckhead, there hasnt be a real resident evil that was a fps, so dont fucking knock it untill you have played some horror fps games. Clive barkers comes to mind as one of the freakiest games i have ever played. Personally i think fps games suck because they really dont make it fun, whats fun about moving a mouse and clicking a button? huh answer me that :P/.




Hey dipshit, I think you missed the fact that the rolling eyes indicate sarcasm on my part. My point was that RE4 was probably the best game last year and it uses the same perspective as GoW.

And actually, if you were a hardcore RE fan (like myself), you would have played RE survivor, which was, in fact, a FPS (an extremely shitty one).

[PIPBoy3000]

I read somewhere along the way that Gears of War was coming out for the PC 6 months after the XBox.

This quote (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/618/618712p1.html) is close, but I swear I found something more recent.

[Furious Wang]

Today I will be playing the part of Dirty Harry.
I will be responding to Reanimated's second post.



u fuckin fuck fuck if u wer a REAL fan of teh rezident evil series then yu wuld know taht suvivor wasnot a REALL resinedt evll gamme becuas it did have have a NUMBER n the nname!!! fuck you fuck fuck what teh fuck!

[Reanimated]

Today I will be playing the part of Dirty Harry.
I will be responding to Reanimated's second post.



u fuckin fuck fuck if u wer a REAL fan of teh rezident evil series then yu wuld know taht suvivor wasnot a REALL resinedt evll gamme becuas it did have have a NUMBER n the nname!!! fuck you fuck fuck what teh fuck!



Touche.




BTW, this is the stupidest crap ever:

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[DevDict]

Looks like a fun game to me. Sure it doesn't look innovative so far, but isn't gaming about fun? Half Life 2 wasn't innovative either yet it is considered GOTY.

Looks pretty close to Killzone 2's FMV yet I doubt ALL of the scenes shown were gameplay scenes.

[Zeal]

Not impressed.

Agreed, and I'm being unbiased here. Epic's lead designer claims the game has graphically reached the level of Killzone's pre-rendered footage. He is sadly mistaken.

The animation and FPS were also a bit jerky.

[bone_matrix]

I'll say that I'm impressed. Its going to be a ways off before its out, and it looks good. My only concern is that the controls will be a bit wanky.

And to anyone saying that the graphics aren't the best out right now compared to say half-life 2, etc, i just want to know how much you paid for you computer and state of the art grfx card. Because for about $400 bucks (360, game, etc.) I'm ok with it only looking this good, because its the best right now on any console.

[TrackZero]

Agreed, and I'm being unbiased here. Epic's lead designer claims the game has graphically reached the level of Killzone's pre-rendered footage. He is sadly mistaken.

The animation and FPS were also a bit jerky.

Uhh.....no he didn't. He said that's something they've now been inspired to shoot for down the road.

And the game is over a year away, a little bit of chop is always found in footage that early.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

DirtyHarry needs some prozac and a hooker...then maybe he'd calm down and chill out.

But seriously, the framerate was choppy in places and some of the animations made me cringe. Marcus Phoenix (the game's lead character) didn't even reach for the new gun and it popped into his hand...eww.

If you look at the ivy in the scene where he is firing down into the buildings entrance, they looked non realistic and out of place. He tossed a grenade or something in that same scene and no damage appeared to the building...they better get that straight.

By the way, I couldn't do one freaking pixel of what Epic has accomplished. I can criticize, but you have to give these developers tons of respect for what they have done in their craft. The game will not release until at least May-Jun (at the earliest) of next year. We also know that MS has a history of having their major releases delayed. So, enjoy games like Plain Shitty Killer...I'm sorry, Frame City Killer until that comes out (ok, there will be a hell of a lot better choices out there on launch day and most of you know it).


Oh, and TrackZero was right. Cliffy B said that is where they will eventually be.

[Shifteh]

Every game ever made should be an FPS. *sarcasm obvious*

I'm not sure if you're getting the irony of your post. You state that, as RE4 was third person and game of the year, more games should be like it. ... right after you say it's stupid to make games FPS' because I like them more.

See, I'm not saying "Make this game a First Person Shooter because I simply don't like third person view," I'm saying "How the hell does staring at the back of my character's head improve gameplay? It makes the game less emersive, it makes aiming more difficult, it makes movement harder to judge, and it slows down processing time because you have to render an entire character whose back you will be staring at for hours. Also, I fail to see how you are "blind firing" around a corner when, due to the view-style, you can clearly see what is around that corner.

This game may be good, I won't say that the viewmode crushes the whole game, but the fact is that if you're doing an action-shooter like this, it would benefit far more from a first person view, thus emersing you in combat, than a third one, taking you out of it.

I believe that Resident Evil works well with the Third-Person view usage because you can see the hordes of zombies, no-matter where you are running to.

That said, who knows how good an RE game could be if the FPS style was done well? They've screwed up one, sure but that doesn't doom the entire idea.

[Groo]

I wish that Gears of War video was slightly higher resolution. All I could see was comprssion artifacts.

[Thenetcase]

If anyone says that this game is photorealistic, I will personally come beat their head in with a cedar 2x4 board (a'la Walking Tall).

This is far from photorealistic. Get a clue people. It's a small improvement, but my PC is already capable of doing everything they demoed in that clip. Please... get with the times.

If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.

Also, the reason this classifies as a launch title is because it was announced with the XBox360 Launch announcement as well. It's being developed BEFORE the XBox360 comes out. It is going to be released with-in the first year of the Xbox360.
Titles that fit these classifications are generally considered launch titles. What I would NOT consider a launch title is a game that was announced AFTER the world has seen the XBox360 in motion in a retail store for sale. THOSE post-launch releases are the ones that actually take advantage of the machines hardware the best. Even Microsoft's launch titles didn't push the XBox even CLOSE to the edge. It wasn't until the more recent releases (Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, PGR2, etc.) that really pushed the envelope.

Just my two cents again. But there are tons of reasons why I'm almost NEVER impressed with launch titles. Oh, and this retarded thread with adolesent pricks cursing their brains out at each other is another reason why I'm not impressed with the brain power or reasoning ability of the average gamer.

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[Blue]

If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.

You want a console system to friggin kick your PC's butt? Good luck with that.

[Karmakaze]

Another reason not to believe that this is a shining example of future technologies is because it's a debut game. If you want to see what a console is really capable of doing, you need to wait at least 6 months or a year after release. That's when the really impressive games start coming out. :)


It not a debut game. It's a 'first-gen' game, but will not be a launch title. In fact, I think they are shooting for just under 6 months from debut.

Also, this is realtime footage on a system they've only had a matter of weeks (all previous work was on alpha G5-based dev kits). I'm sure now they've got the 3 cores and the full ATI gfx subsystem, they can up the polygon counts like mad for the next 6 months.

Regardless, I'm more excited about the gameplay and novelty of the game than it's gfx. Seems to share more with Brothers in Arms than HL2. I am a little concerned because Epic hasn't wowed me in the past with SP games, but they are at least trying something new.

[Nessus]

The only part that really impressed me is when the insect-like vehicles are dropped off and one of them explodes, but that has more to do with animation I suspect than graphics, and that looks to be part of a cinema (I could be wrong, hopefully it's a scripted event). Edit: Oh and the shadows on the soldiers when they exit the helicopter is nice.

I mean, yes, the graphics are pretty but they remind me a lot of RE4. They look improved, but they damn well better be with much improved technology.

I may be in the minority but simply improving the graphics doesn't do much for me anymore. I'd be happy with slightly better than The Chronicles Of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay or Half-Life 2 graphics. Especially if it means the games are potentially going to cost more and end up being shorter.

I'd like to see devs focus more on interactivity, streamlining gamplay. I really like the context sensitivity in RE4. I think that could be expanded upon.

I'd rather bigger, fully developed worlds than better looking worlds. What would impress me more is a game sorta like GTA or Spider-Man 2 except where the city is more than a collection of huge empty boxes, where you can concievably enter a majority of the buildings and have things to do once you're inside.

Yes there's the challenge of keeping it interesting, I mean who wants to explore the men's bathroom on the 27th floor of any given skyscraper, but I found that with GTA and Spider-Man 2 it really killed the experience once I realized that the city was largely non-interactive. I mean the first time you climb the tallest tower in Spider-Man 2 there is a moment of exhilliration, but that fades once you realise how restricted you really are.

[Groo]

I think it's really tough to comment on the graphics based upon this video. The video is so low resolution, and there are so many compression artifacts, that it's next to impossible to make out the little details.

[Zeal]

Originally Posted by Thenetcase
If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.

This makes no sense.

[Thenetcase]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenetcase
If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.


This makes no sense.

OK, let me clarify...

If I'm going to shell out that much money for a console, it better be able to produce better graphics than my PC and PREFERABLY produce better gameplay than my PC.

Unfortuantely I don't see this happening. By the time the Xbox360 comes out, I'll have a 4GHz computer with a GeForce 7800 Ultra x2 in it... Granted it'll cost a hell of a lot more money, but it'll also be more useful, more powerful and more expandable. :)

Oh well... I'll end up buying an Xbox360 ANYWAY I'm sure. "Cuz I can".

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[Groo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenetcase
If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.

Well, considering that all signs point to Xbox360 costing no more than $350, you better be getting something special if you plan on paying $500.

And considering that a videocard along for your PC will cost more than an Xbox 360, it's OK to cut the 360 some slack.

[sebastard]

The only part that really impressed me is when the insect-like vehicles are dropped off and one of them explodes, but that has more to do with animation I suspect than graphics, and that looks to be part of a cinema (I could be wrong, hopefully it's a scripted event).


Not sure if anyone else pointed this out, but that was the pre-rendered Killzone footage that they were talking about during the interview, that wasn't from Gears of War.

[fitbabits]

Them there's some purdy 'splosions! Oh, and Cliffy B shops in the Streets at Southpoint mall (like most everyone else in these here parts). I saw him in (gasp) GAP! :rolleyes:

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenetcase
If I'm going to fork over $400-500 for an Xbox360, it better frigging kick my PC's butt... SEVERELY.




OK, let me clarify...

If I'm going to shell out that much money for a console, it better be able to produce better graphics than my PC and PREFERABLY produce better gameplay than my PC.

Unfortuantely I don't see this happening. By the time the Xbox360 comes out, I'll have a 4GHz computer with a GeForce 7800 Ultra x2 in it... Granted it'll cost a hell of a lot more money, but it'll also be more useful, more powerful and more expandable. :)

Oh well... I'll end up buying an Xbox360 ANYWAY I'm sure. "Cuz I can".

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...well it must be nice to have that much disposable income. How much will that setup cost you? Now how much less will the 360 cost?

And that is one of the main reasons consoles sell. They are largely inexpensive when compared to their higher end brethren. People also don't want to have to configure their machines to play certain games. It is a pain to have to setup (in some cases) your configurations every time you load a new game. With consoles, you know that if a friend has the same system, you can pop over and bring the game for a bit of fun...not necessarily with a pc.
If you are buying a PC for pure gaming, it is really an expensive hobby. You also have to get a decent monitor to showcase the graphics. With a console and HDTV, you can play games...and you have a good tv.

(Yeah, you can watch tv on your monitor if you configure it right, but how many people know how or would bother doing it?)

PS
The video was ripped from the stinkhole that is G4. It looks a lot more impressive playing on a good tv...too bad G4 doesn't braodcast in High Def.