GTA SA Decision Fallout

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Saw this on Firingsquad, can you say snowball?


[...]Thompson was recently in the news for his astonishing condemnation of Rockstar, the ESRB and the ESA over the GTA: San Andreas 'Hot Coffee' scandal. In his latest statement, Thompson referred to The Sims 2 as the industry's "latest dirty little secret", claiming that the game "contains, according to videogame news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia and pubic hair."

Although there is no sex in the game, characters appear nude when carrying out activities such as taking a shower. Their breasts and genitals are blurred out to avoid offence - but Thompson claimed hackers could get around this by using a cheat code.

"The nudity placed there by the publisher/maker, Electronic Arts, is accessed by the use of a simple code that removes what is called 'the blur' which obscures genital areas," he said.

"In other words, the game was released to the public by the manufacturer knowing that the full frontal nudity was resident on the game and would be accessed by use of a simple code widely provided on the Internet."

Thompson went on to note that children can also be made to appear nude in the game - "Much to the delight, one can be sure, of paedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."[...]




Source: http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10330

[CapnAJ]

And yet killing in a game is somehow more acceptable for children... politicians are weird.

[MadHiro]

I assume this means that there will next be an outcry about the malicious and peverted doings of Mattel Corporation. For decades they have peddled dolls that can, with a little work on behalf of the end user, be made completely naked! Not only that, but they market doll versions of children. No doubt to the delight of paedophiles around the globe, who can rehearse, with dollies, for their abuse.

Give me a break. This guy is full of such crap. The nudity in the Sims is precisely as revealing as that found filling the shelves of every toystore Barbie aisle. And less likely to be used to simulate sex by anyone who is minor. In the Sims, you have to actually work at getting lucky. Ken and Barbie, they get it on whenever I want them to.

[zangster]

Can't anyone find enough dirt on this guy so he can be completely discredited once and for all and then we'll never hear from him again?

[Kelegacy]

Can't anyone find enough dirt on this guy so he can be completely discredited once and for all and then we'll never hear from him again?

Let's join forces and do just that. We can bring this ass down!

[Justin_McElroy]

"Much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm really personally offended by this inaccuracy.

You don't need to rehearse child abuse, it's just something that happens, naturally. Like music.

[MadHiro]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm really personally offended by this inaccuracy.

You don't need to rehearse child abuse, it's just something that happens, naturally. Like music.

NAMBLA called, mate. You're late with your membership fee.

[zangster]

I actually wrote to this guy on a lark and told him I'd like to sue a video game publisher. I never heard back from Jack. Here's what I wrote: (sorry about the length)

I apologize for not getting back in touch with you sooner but I've
been pretty busy this week. Allow me to elaborate on my "experience"
with video games.

Not too long ago I started volunteering to work with physically
disabled children. It's sort of a Big Brother program but for
children who have suffered physical injuries. In this particular case
I was going to be working with a young boy who, as the result of a
tree-climbing accident, is a paraplegic. He can still get around well
enough with the aid of his family and his helper monkey, Diddy. I'm
not sure if you're aware of what a helper monkey is, but it's a highly
trained monkey that's meant to aid in the daily tasks of someone
that's suffered paralysis.

One of the things this boy enjoys doing is playing video games and his
family asked if I would play with him. Often times his helper monkey
would sit and watch us play these video games. The boy, I'll call him
Mario, was a particularly big fan of what he calls "classic" Nintendo
game Donkey Kong. This is important to note because of the turn of
events.

I had been volunteering with Mario for several months when his parents
asked me to come over one evening to spend some time with him. They
were going out that evening and sometimes I would play baby-sitter for
them which was fine by me because I enjoyed speding time with him.
When I arrived at the home it was very quiet except for the sound of
Mario in the family room. I went in there to find him waiting for me.
He explained that he'd taught Diddy a new trick and wanted to try it
out with me. Mario then turned on his Nintendo and the game Donkey
Kong started up.

When the music started Diddy went crazy and started running around the
room screaching as though he were spooked. He grabbed one of Mario's
mother's prized (and expensive) porcelain dolls and climbed on top of
their entertainment center with it. When I tried to retrieve (I was
afraid Diddy would break it) he began throwing things at me. At first
it was a few picture frames on top of the entertainment center then he
started grabbing antique beer cans (his family is into collectibles)
and throwing them at me. I grabbed a hammer from a nearby craft bench
and tried to use it to deflect some of the things diddy was throwing
at me but it seems to have had the opposite effect because it upset
him further and he threw even more things down at me. Meanwhile,
through all this chaos Mario is sitting in his wheel chair laughing.
I'm not sure if what was occurring was his desired effect but he
appeared to be enjoying it.

I'm not sure what happened next but I think something Diddy threw
landed in the fire place ignited because I became aware of a great
heat behind me. I turned to find flames spreading along the carpet
and walls. I decided enough was enough and I dropped the hammer,
turned Mario's wheelchair around and headed directly for the front
door. He was screaming for Diddy but whatever effect the Nintendo
song had on Diddy seemed to affect his training and he wouldn't come.
I tried returning to the family room once Mario was safely outside but
the flames had spread quickly at this point and it was no longet safe
for me to enter the home. The fire department and paramedics were
called but unfortunately the house was destroyed by the fire and Diddy
wasn't seen again.

As you can imagine this entire experience has caused me a great deal
of stress. The family is now threatening litigation, I've lost my
volunteer position, and I'm having trouble sleeping at night. I can't
even be in the same room as a small animal (small dog, cat, rabbit,
etc.) with having a minor panic attack. Is there anything you can do
to help?

[Cupelix]

And to think, you guys were just kidding when you suggested in other threads that The Sims 2 should be next on the "hit list." Silly gamers - do not under estimate the power and idiocy of the uninformed!

[OUX]

Let's join forces and do just that. We can bring this ass down!

I completely agree. Huzzah!!!

[El Gato]

Let him rant. He just thinks he's on a roll.

He's only going to make himself look stupid with this one. He's been quoted as saying that paedophiles can train themselves in this 'virtual reality'.

Train themselves to do what? Rearrange furniture?

[morose]

Jack Thompson eats babies. Seriously. This one guy I met one time who had a sister whose dog groomer went to school with a cousin of Jack told me so. It's irrefutable... just like naked Sims. ;)

[Testcase]

Saw this on Firingsquad, can you say snowball?

Snowball? Usually gotta pay extra for that. But I can say 'mediawhore'.

[Goronmon]

A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.

[Justin_McElroy]

Well, I mean, I suppose you could express your displeasure with Mr. Thompson by calling his cell phone at 305-588-3005. But what would you two talk about?

[Varsity]

I wouldn't worry about the Sims btw, he was backed into a corner a couple of hours after starting the attack. All that's under the pixelisation is a featureless skin tone.

[Reanimated]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell

[netcraazzy]

I wouldn't worry about the Sims btw, he was backed into a corner a couple of hours after starting the attack. All that's under the pixelisation is a featureless skin tone.

I never tried it with The Sims2 which is the game I think he specifically singled out but I remember in The Sims this was the case. It was much more fun to trap your Sims in a little room and watch them have an emotional breakdown as they slowly starved to death. I know, I'm pretty sick in the head, but damn was it funny.

Makes you wonder why nobody is upset about that though. At least in my mind seeing naked mannequins n a game is a lot less offensive as being able to torture your simulated characters through starvation. And you didn't even need a mod to do it!

[Furious Wang]

Wow this thread is a classic. Funny stuff.

And of course, we should outlaw the display of women from television. For with a small application of one's imagination those women can be envisioned sans-clothing in the mind of the viewer. Scandalous!

[solinari6]

I wouldn't worry about the Sims btw, he was backed into a corner a couple of hours after starting the attack. All that's under the pixelisation is a featureless skin tone.
That's true, but the original sims had a hack you could download that would actually give your sims genitals. Then you just remove the blur, and oogle the nudies.

I'm sure the Sims 2 has something simliar, and this tool is assuming it must be the same as the hot coffee hack.

[MadHiro]

Wow this thread is a classic. Funny stuff.

And of course, we should outlaw the display of women from television. For with a small application of one's imagination those women can be envisioned sans-clothing in the mind of the viewer. Scandalous!

You have found the true problem, sir, but have missed it for it is right in front of your nose. Notice that in all of these cases, the problem could have been averted were it not for two devilish things. Curiosity and Imagination!

We must forthwith confiscate these traits from all Citizens and children immediately, to protect them from the lewd and lavacious ravages of their own mind. Remember, paedophiles can rehearse their horrible crimes inside their minds! This cannot be allowed!

[abso]

Truth be told, EA is the largest game publisher in the world. The Sims is one of their top franchises. There is NO conceivable way they will sit there and take this. I HOPE Thompson goes after them so that EA does something that helps the industry for once. They have the resources to go after this guy and others like him. However, knowing EA, they will do whatever protects their bottom line, although it would be nice to see them not be the dicks that they are for once.

[Racknahm]

Wow this thread is a classic. Funny stuff.

And of course, we should outlaw the display of women from television. For with a small application of one's imagination those women can be envisioned sans-clothing in the mind of the viewer. Scandalous!
Don't forget teachers. Underneath their clothes they are naked! Why must we expose our children to this filth!?

[superherotaco]

I don't know about his Sims game, but when I removed the blur out of curriousity, I didn't see nipples or gentiles or labias on my sims. I saw basically the same thing I'd see on Barbie and Ken dolls.

[MrMeatshake]

However, as usual, Thompson seems to be shooting from the hip - and blindfolded, at that. Even if the blur is removed, the characters in the game have no visible genitals
...
"The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."

hi-fucking-larious. so, someone tells him that under the blur there are none of the things he's claimed that there is, and he then says: 'ah, but if there's nothing there, why did they blur it? these flat pixels must be indecent, or they wouldn't be blurred!'

it's logic, jim, but not as we know it.

[OUX]

I guess i really want to know how much money is in this for him or is he really buying into his own bs. I know it is the posh thing to do for the polys right now (you know instead of telling parents to *gasp* be responsible for their children) to single out gaming but has he even won a case about this yet? He was a medical malpractice lawyer and all the sudden he is this huge expert on video game's effects on children? Who pays him?

[El Gato]

Don't forget teachers. Underneath their clothes they are naked! Why must we expose our children to this filth!?

To be fair, you can't easily remove a teacher's clothing.

God knows, I tried.

[MrMeatshake]

To be fair, you can't easily remove a teacher's clothing.

God knows, I tried.

lol.

/me rubs his thighs...

[Justin_McElroy]

Wow. With just one post this became the worst thread ever.

(says the guy who said child molestation is like music 20 posts ago)

[eatme]

This is old news-- he issued this statement before the GTA:SA decision. No snowball here.

[didragondi]

Exactly how much animated skin can you see? Is it really that much more intense than is in the R Rated movies that Wal-Mart still sells? And-aside from removing from a major retailor, dont they realize this is the sort of thing that actually increases interest in a game? It was probably starting to decline, but hell everyone will want it now. Its porn/its violence [ITwo great things that taste great together(cue resees ad music here)[/I] . Now everyone will want it.

[bapenguin]

is it prolonged genital exposure? If so, then it's AO!

[eatme]

As I recall from reading about this on all the other news sites last week, there are no genitals on these things. They're like barbie dolls or (normal) mannequins: just smooth plastic. Sorry, no cock n' balls.

[Steve_Erhardt]

And yet killing in a game is somehow more acceptable for children... politicians are weird.
Did you just start following the videogame controversy recently, Cap? Politicians have been beating the violent videogame drum for YEARS now. ;)

[Bumbuliuz]

Somebody take this guy away in a straight jacket. Anyone pretty plz!! No offence thank god I dont have to live in the same country as this nut job. There must be something in the water where this guy lives. Somebody show him Pong, he can surely find someting sick and twisted about that game :)

[Paltry]

suck my balls tommy boy

[Mondopest]

I hate this idiot. This whole "scandal" is lame as hell. Anything can be modified! I mean, the maker of the cucumber did not mean for it to be used as a sex toy but women modify them to be used as sex toys all the time! I have seen it with my own two eyes! You think the makers of the BMW intended their shifters to be used as sex toys? Probably not, but indeed they can be used as them, I have seen it! ...it was cool... =)

[Nuggsy]

Well, I mean, I suppose you could express your displeasure with Mr. Thompson by calling his cell phone at 305-588-3005. But what would you two talk about?


Or email him at jackpeace@comcast.net

While I'm nowhere near computer savvy enough to accomplish something like what I am about to mention, I refuse to believe that some of the people on this forum aren't intelligent enough to hack the hell out of his crappy site stopkill.com.

Aside from the childish revenge tactics, we need to establish a real forum for taking jackasses like him down. We need to tell everyone that we're sick of the jackassery of the Jack Thompson's of the world. We need to get illegal porn on his computer and take him to task for it. I am relying upon those of you with the intelligence to wage this guerilla war against this man while I am going out...to get some smokes; really good smokes!

[OUX]

*Ponders* If video games really were killing trainers like Jack says they are he would be one dead lawyer, game trained killers would rise up and smite him, and thanks to our extensive espionage training (MGS1-3/SC) no one would be caught and no evidence would surface... :D

[kizke]

As a perverted youth, I removed the blur on The Sims 1. I can assure everyone that there is no genital detail. It's like looking at a Barbie doll -- which, oddly enough, Electronic Arts already freaking said.

~_~

This guy has been pissing me off for too long. I'm tempted to make it my life's work to bring him down, Joseph McCarthy style.

[Rommel]

And this is why you do not pander to politicans and looneys. You sweep things away, you ignore them. When you give into their nonlegally-required demands you create a wedge issue and provoke them to continue. Best to ignore them like bears and ugly former first ladies.

[Spigot]

That's true, but the original sims had a hack you could download that would actually give your sims genitals. Then you just remove the blur, and oogle the nudies.

I'm sure the Sims 2 has something simliar, and this tool is assuming it must be the same as the hot coffee hack.

Sims 2 does have a hack you can run that removes the pixels, but there's nothing detailed there. Sure, the sims are higher res, but it's still Barbie-doll-esque as there's no detail.

Not that I've gone looking for a genital hack... ew... that sounds painful...

[Spigot]

Did you just start following the videogame controversy recently, Cap? Politicians have been beating the violent videogame drum for YEARS now. ;)

I think they started shortly after they realized they weren't getting anywhere on the D&D front. What we really need is to find something even more sinister and evil than videogames for the politicians to freak out about...

How about anime? Some yaoi tentacle sex should do the trick...

[Player 1]

Surely, Jack's Logic (tm) can be applied to any medium.

For example: Paper manufacturers are just as guilty as EA. They produce paper that, with the aid of an easily obtainable modification tool, such as a pencil, can be altered to depict scenes of a violent and sexual nature. Scenes such as Jack Thompson being raped by EA's lawyers whilst his foot is jammed into his mouth.


But seriously, the thing I find most disturbing is Jack's scare-mongering tactics by referring to Hitler and the Jihad in his lengthy letter to game companies last week and now mentioning paedophiles in his latest outburst. What's next? Lan parties are comparable to Auschwitz?

[Pornstar_NL]

Someone should make a Jack Thompson Ass rape mod...
Hasn't that idiot got anything more constructive to do with his time?

You guys have no idea how the rest of the world is laughing their asses of obver this... Your "country" has some weird moral values...

I know it's not you guys (as in the larger part of the community), because I read the same comments everywhere in all the forums...

But come on, aren't there BIGGER issues your government should be worried about... sheesh...

*edit* hope I didn't offend with the start of this post, couldn't help myself