Target Pulling Manhunt 2

[Dr.Finger]

I just spoke to a contact at my local Target store, who informed me of an interesting internal memo. Apparently all Target stores are to stop selling Manhunt 2, going so far as to tell managers to refuse shipments of the title for all systems, with Take 2 agreeing to take back all unopened copies of the game.

Why is this action being taken? The extreme violence in the game is the given reason, but my contact (an employee but not a manager) was told that it was due in greater part to the unfavorable coverage the game got in the national press the last several days. Target stores had been selling the game since it's launch, but it was only today that they were told to pull the product and refuse further shipments.

The listing for Manhunt 2 (http://www.target.com/Manhunt-2-for-PlayStation-Portable/dp/B000NIJ35C/sr=1-1/qid=1194056421/ref=sr_1_1/602-8710282-4500642?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k%3Amanhunt%202&page=1) on the Target website shows that the item is "not available in stores."

I've spoken to employees of several other large retailers (Best Buy, Gamestop and Circuit City) and none of them are, at this time, taking similar actions.

Digg this story (http://digg.com/gaming_news/Target_Pulls_Manhunt_2/blog).

[Sazime]

So, they're pulling all their violent movies too, right? Right?

[LilAbner]

So, they're pulling all their violent movies too, right? Right?

Nope. All the Saw movies will remain, as will the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Don't ya love hypocrisy?

[JayK47]

Well damn, they may as well have left in the full gore. Then I may have actually been willing to buy it. I have a bad feeling this trend will only get worse.

[Micasa]

Sorry, we can't sell you Manhunt 2. Would you like a copy of Hostel 2 instead?

[Johan]

http://f2.org/image/comic/calv-ohno.gif

[menage]

Well damn, they may as well have left in the full gore. Then I may have actually been willing to buy it. I have a bad feeling this trend will only get worse.

As much as I disagree with the reasoning against this kind of censorship (and bias against vg over movies), I can't help but think the worlds a better place without games like MH2.

I love Calvin and Hobbes btw. they should make a game like My Perfect Holiday with those 2.:p

[Heretic Machine]

So, they're pulling all their violent movies too, right? Right?

This isn't about protecting kids, or society, or whatever... this is about pandering to the gibbering hordes of idiots that populate this country.

[Johan]

the gibbering hordes of idiots

That does indeed describe the vast majority of humanity.

[joestein]

With all the trouble Rockstar and Take Two had with the hot coffee mod, how can they be so stupid as to leave the "AO" content on the disk??? If they are that stupid, they deserve to have their game banned!

Joe

[bKangy]

Thank god we live in a world where retailers respond to censorship forced by media hysteria in the face of hypocrisy.

[Sazime]

With all the trouble Rockstar and Take Two had with the hot coffee mod, how can they be so stupid as to leave the "AO" content on the disk??? If they are that stupid, they deserve to have their game banned!

Joe
I'm with the crowd that understands it's not accessible by normal means, so in reality, it's not really in the game. It's only part of the source material.

If you want to condemn a game for "possible" content, look no farther than Tomb Raider's nude patch.

[menage]

If you want to condemn a game for "possible" content, look no farther than Tomb Raider's nude patch.

Square tits FTW!

[oldjadedgamer]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071102.jpg

[Banacek]

Maybe someone in management played the first Manhunt and realized what a piece of shit it was.

[Farsight]

The first game was mediocre, but censorship is worse.

If enough of these stores keep doing asinine things, I guess I'll just end up a complete hermit and order everything through the internet.

At least that would give me more time to work on my manifesto.

[Sazime]

The first game was mediocre, but censorship is worse.

If enough of these stores keep doing asinine things, I guess I'll just end up a complete hermit and order everything through the internet.

At least that would give me more time to work on my manifesto.
"Are you there God? It's me, Ted Kaczynski."

[Typical_Michael]

Its cool, I dont go to Target anyway, except recently somebody told me that they had DC licensed t-shirts on the cheap, so I went and got a pretty cool Batman shirt, and some stylish pirate-esque shirts. Other than that though, Target is about as significant to me as Bath and Bodyworks or some girly shit like that.

[cloudspear]

Well damn, they may as well have left in the full gore. Then I may have actually been willing to buy it. I have a bad feeling this trend will only get worse.

with a modded psp u could uncensored it and if you have action replay for the ps2 u could uncensored it too with a code. i hope this game sell really well so games studio will see and make more ao games for adult.

[KingGorilla]

I wonder if Take 2 or Rockstar will threaten to not ship GTA IV. Sort of like how Disney proved that Target is full of shit.

[Ripptide]

Hey guys - while I know how cool it is to get all excited about "censorship" and "giving it to the man," I thought I'd pop in here to let you know that I just searched all of Target's internal communications and found absolutely no reference to this "memo."

In fact you can still purchase Manhunt 2 from Target.com, (http://www.target.com/Manhunt-2-for-PlayStation-Portable/dp/B000NIJ35C/sr=1-1/qid=1194056421/ref=sr_1_1/602-8710282-4500642?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k%3Amanhunt%202&page=1), so before I have to hear any more horseshit about how much Target sucks can we do a little fact checking and less rumor-mongering?

And while I won't discuss exactly what I do here, suffice it to say I'm in supply-chain management. So if there was a memo about a recall I'd get it first, so that I'd be prepared to ship it all back when it gets back from our stores.

[31 Flavas]

I wonder if Take 2 or Rockstar will threaten to not ship GTA IV. Sort of like how Disney proved that Target is full of shit.Ha, that'd be great. Take 2 should do that.

Mind you, not for any reason related to Manhunt 2 being a good game. But because if Target doesn't want to sell video games that are unpopular in the media... Then Target will surely not want to touch GTA IV with a 10 foot pole.

[Jesse_Divnich]

ohh geez, why does Target do this kind of stuff? I lose more and more respect for retailers that do this.

I can pick up a dozen DVD's that they sell that are much more violant than this!

[Rock Bandit]

so I went and got a pretty cool Batman shirt, and some stylish pirate-esque shirts.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/dynamic/images/news/image_1_15.jpg

[JazGalaxy]

ohh geez, why does Target do this kind of stuff? I lose more and more respect for retailers that do this.

I can pick up a dozen DVD's that they sell that are much more violant than this!

UM... what DVDs?

I'm really tired of gamers trying to defend stuff like Manhunt. It just makes us look like idiots. There is simply no movie sold at Target that comes close to the violence and graphic content of manhunt. A movie couldn't stand with that level of content.

People take this whole "games and movies are the same thing" idea way too far as well. I can kill more people in Grand Theft Auto driving from one end of the town to the other than in the entire Die Hard series.

This whole conception that "The most graphic scene in Saw is less graphic thatn the most graphic scene in Manhunt therefore Manhunt should never be rated more strongly than Saw" shows a complete misunderstanding of the way ratings are derived and applied in the entertainment industry.

[Typical_Michael]

http://americanhistory.si.edu/dynamic/images/news/image_1_15.jpg

Ha, jokes. Nice one.

[Johan]

Censorship? What a joke.

It's not censorship when I shovel the shit out of the barn and into the compost pile...

[Dirty Harry]

UM... what DVDs?

I'm really tired of movie goers trying to defend stuff like Saw and Hostile. It just makes us movie watchers look like idiots. There is simply no game sold at Target that comes close to the violence and graphic content of hostile or Saw or any other film that deals with graphic multilation. A game surely couldn't stand with that level of content.

People take this whole "movies and games are the same thing" idea way too far as well. I have watched more people kill helpless single white females in hostile or saw or Silence of the Lambs or american psycho or any other psycho killer movie out there than there are videos games dealing with violence in this particular manner out there.

This whole conception that "The most graphic scene in Manhunt is less graphic than the most graphic scene in Hostile therefore Manhunt should never be rated more strongly than Saw" shows a complete misunderstanding of the way ratings are derived and applied in the entertainment industry.
Fixed that for ya.....

[Furtive]

With all the trouble Rockstar and Take Two had with the hot coffee mod, how can they be so stupid as to leave the "AO" content on the disk??? If they are that stupid, they deserve to have their game banned!

Joe

Ah welcome to EvAv. Thanks for the uninformed post. The "AO" content left on the disk isn't like the hot coffee incident. The "reduced gore" M version is the same as the AO content except that its shown from different camera angles, filtered and during the critical part of the kill often shown in black and white. The hack simply removes the filters and color swaps. The underlying content is basically the same material.

UM... what DVDs?
There is simply no movie sold at Target that comes close to the violence and graphic content of manhunt. A movie couldn't stand with that level of content.
Saw? Hostel?

This whole conception that "The most graphic scene in Saw is less graphic than the most graphic scene in Manhunt therefore Manhunt should never be rated more strongly than Saw" shows a complete misunderstanding of the way ratings are derived and applied in the entertainment industry.
I don't believe anybody really understands how ratings are derived. The ESRB does not disclose the specifics of their findings do they? And Hollywood, while it has become more specific in recent years, is not really consistent with what precisely can and cannot make it into an R movie.

While I know movies and games are not the same medium and therefore will have different methods for being rated, I believe we all know games are becoming more cinematic. The line between the two mediums is thinning and as such, should be rated more similarly. The purpose of the ESRB rating is to give consumers and parents an idea of what content will be in the game. If games were rated like movies there would be a lot less confusion.

Oh and for the record I don't seem to have any interest in the game. If Target didn't want to carry the game because it got bad reviews and didn't expect it to sell well, then thats fine with me. I'll learn to do more of my shopping online or at Fry's if I'm in a brick and mortar mood. To pull the game now simply because the media is misinforming lazy parents is poor business if you ask me.

[firecut]

I will have to give a few parting words regarding Manhunt2. I love blood and gore in games as much as the next guy but I seriously feel that this game has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I was able to briefly play this on a friend's PSP the other day and I found it to be a complete bore and also rather sick...I will even go so far as to agree with the Jack Thompson side and label this violence porn...purely violence for the sake of violence. It wasn't remotely entertaining. What a turd of a game.

[Johan]

...purely violence for the sake of violence. It wasn't remotely entertaining. What a turd of a game.

I'll go as far as to say that, if you (whoever you are) are the type of person that actually pays to go to a movie and eat popcorn while people are tortured to death on screen, and you consider that entertainment...

or you wish to engage in similar egregiously torturous conduct in a video game...

you've got issues. Serious issues.

[Dirty Harry]

I'll go as far as to say that, if you (whoever you are) are the type of person that actually pays to go to a movie and eat popcorn while people are tortured to death on screen, and you consider that entertainment...

or you wish to engage in similar egregiously torturous conduct in a video game...

you've got issues. Serious issues.

Everybody has issues, some people are obsessed with shoving religion down other peoples throats, some people are obsessed with pouring acid down individuals throats.

[Wolvie]

Target= over react and wilt like a flower when controversy hits. Pussies.

[Micasa]

I will have to give a few parting words regarding Manhunt2. I love blood and gore in games as much as the next guy but I seriously feel that this game has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I was able to briefly play this on a friend's PSP the other day and I found it to be a complete bore and also rather sick...I will even go so far as to agree with the Jack Thompson side and label this violence porn...purely violence for the sake of violence. It wasn't remotely entertaining. What a turd of a game.

It's not violence for the sake of violence, it's violence for the sake of publicity - the same as the original game. Rockstar thrives on being "controversial" even when that controversy is so contrived as to be meaningless.

Getting that free publicity apparently means enough that the damage they do to the reputation of the industry as a whole isn't a factor.

I wonder if the thought of making a compelling game out of it ever crossed their minds as a way to get sales...

[Dirty Harry]

It's not violence for the sake of violence, it's violence for the sake of publicity - the same as the original game. Rockstar thrives on being "controversial" even when that controversy is so contrived as to be meaningless.

Getting that free publicity apparently means enough that the damage they do to the reputation of the industry as a whole isn't a factor.

I wonder if the thought of making a compelling game out of it ever crossed their minds as a way to get sales...

have you even played the first manhunt entirely through?

[Ripptide]

I'm glad the discussion has shifted, but it makes me angry that this is still fornt paged. It's a bullshit non-story, and the fact that Target.com is still selling the game makes it moot.

If it was going to be pulled from ANYWHERE target.com would be first, considering that the Target.com DC and Target HQ are both right outside Minneapolis.

I love this site, and it pains me when people front page rumors without even the slightest bit of fact-checking. Isn't this why we all shit on Cunt-taco?

[thFOOL]

I'm glad the discussion has shifted, but it makes me angry that this is still fornt paged. It's a bullshit non-story, and the fact that Target.com is still selling the game makes it moot.

If it was going to be pulled from ANYWHERE target.com would be first, considering that the Target.com DC and Target HQ are both right outside Minneapolis.

I love this site, and it pains me when people front page rumors without even the slightest bit of fact-checking. Isn't this why we all shit on Cunt-taco?

The webpage you linked to says the game is not sold in stores. What does that mean?

[51|RandoM]

So, they're pulling all their violent movies too, right? Right?

Of course not, the movie industry knows how to handle the retail channel.

[Micasa]

have you even played the first manhunt entirely through?

Yeah, and they had a threadbare plot to it about...from what I can remember...the evil machinations of media at the expense of humanity. The majority of the game was about killing people - period. There was really no redemption angle to it at all.

There were very few redeeming qualities to the game, though it was largely under the radar and didn't do the damage that it could have. Not so, this time around.

[Dirty Harry]

Yeah, and they had a threadbare plot to it about...from what I can remember...the evil machinations of media at the expense of humanity. The majority of the game was about killing people - period. There was really no redemption angle to it at all.

There were very few redeeming qualities to the game, though it was largely under the radar and didn't do the damage that it could have. Not so, this time around.

I thought from a game design perspective, the games audio and art was really well done. The voice acting was above average and it had many dark quirks and jokes. It had intense action, and that is what makes Manhunt a good game, i look past the violence and the gore and look at it as a horror game where you run from Jason like individuals. Hell the white supremists from the first game still give me the heebiejeebies.

Hell the mission where you go after the army commander in the house is totally sick, 2 minutes to rush out of a large building complex as hunters pop out of everywhere where you least suspect it. When they can take a single shot from a shotgun to kill you instantly, really increases the difficulty and challenge of the game.


All i gotta say is if you can get your head into the game, when you get chased by three racists hollaring at you, as your frantically run away just amps the game even further. The game gets my blood and heart flowing, infact i cannot handle long doses of the game or i get an intensely sick feeling in my stomach after awhile.

[Deadend]

Manhunt 1 had poor controls and a poor camera system and poor graphics. Manhunt 2 continues the trend but makes the story worse along the way... as you play as a crazy guy, not someone forced to do bad things.

That is something I didn't get about Manhunt... why DO you charge up to do a more brutal way of killing? It doesn't affect other NPCs, it just seems like a waste of time designed to appeal to the darker side of the mind.

[Micasa]

All i gotta say is if you can get your head into the game, when you get chased by three racists hollaring at you, as your frantically run away just amps the game even further. The game gets my blood and heart flowing, infact i cannot handle long doses of the game or i get an intensely sick feeling in my stomach after awhile.

Condemned: Criminal Origins. It has the same atmosphere, the same "OMG, WHAT WAS THAT" moments, only it does it without the gratuitous violence. There's violence, sure - but it's not over the top with it.

They could have made Manhunt a good game. They didn't, they made it a controversial game instead - and I think they did it deliberately. Maybe they didn't think it'd sell on atmosphere alone.

[Dirty Harry]

Manhunt 1 had poor controls and a poor camera system and poor graphics. Manhunt 2 continues the trend but makes the story worse along the way... as you play as a crazy guy, not someone forced to do bad things.

That is something I didn't get about Manhunt... why DO you charge up to do a more brutal way of killing? It doesn't affect other NPCs, it just seems like a waste of time designed to appeal to the darker side of the mind.

see i played manhunt on pc and it has pretty decent controlls and when the guns start to be busted out, its pretty easy to headshot everyone.

About codemned,i did enjoy it when i played it but i often found myself getting bored extremely quickly with the combat. I could fault the same with manhunt though.....

[joshkdmw]

I will have to give a few parting words regarding Manhunt2. I love blood and gore in games as much as the next guy but I seriously feel that this game has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I was able to briefly play this on a friend's PSP the other day and I found it to be a complete bore and also rather sick...

It's too bad to hear it's crap on the PSP, but I have to say, I'm actually really enjoying the Wii version. Good stuff.

[KingGorilla]

About codemned,i did enjoy it when i played it but i often found myself getting bored extremely quickly with the combat. I could fault the same with manhunt though.....

Condemned was another example, of many recently, where some of the window dressing distracted Monolith and players from what the game really was about. I firmly believe that Monolith wanted to make a dark, gritty, horror themed adventure game, set in first person, with some good combat. But they lost the battle to combat, and quick thrills. Since entering the 3D era adventure games have often struggled with how to deal with conflict resolution(combat) often with disastrous results(win button combat). I think Condemned 2 is showing more of what they wanted from the first, with more robust investigation tools, and mechanics while still giving the thrill kill seekers something.

[joestein]

Ah welcome to EvAv. Thanks for the uninformed post. The "AO" content left on the disk isn't like the hot coffee incident. The "reduced gore" M version is the same as the AO content except that its shown from different camera angles, filtered and during the critical part of the kill often shown in black and white. The hack simply removes the filters and color swaps. The underlying content is basically the same material.



Thanks for the warm welcome, but i have been reading the posts on this boards for years, just never decided to post.

As a gamer, I personally understand the idea that the mod is not made by Rockstar/Take Two, but before release the media was all over this game. Based upon the hot coffee mod they should have realized that this would happen and that they should have taken the appropriate precauctions. The general public/media has no interest in hearing about a mod, they are simply looking to point the finger. ROCKSTAR SHOULD KNOW THAT! Instead of filtering the actual act, they should have produced graphics that appeared filtered, instead of just overlaying the graphics with a filter.

From a business standpoint, this is absolutely inexcusable. In any situations you should think what questions or problems can come up before you act, especially before the launch of a major product. After the hot coffee mod to allow this to happen is either incompetant or stupid. They are getting what they deserve.

Joe

[Deathwave]

Even bad publicity is publicity...I don't think they really care if Target refuses to sell the game. Most places will sell it. Like others have said, they sell movies that are worse than anything in Manhunt 2...so they just look a little clueless.

[Dr.Finger]

I'm glad the discussion has shifted, but it makes me angry that this is still fornt paged. It's a bullshit non-story, and the fact that Target.com is still selling the game makes it moot.

If it was going to be pulled from ANYWHERE target.com would be first, considering that the Target.com DC and Target HQ are both right outside Minneapolis.

I love this site, and it pains me when people front page rumors without even the slightest bit of fact-checking. Isn't this why we all shit on Cunt-taco?I spoke to two Target employees at two different stores. The first contacted me and I contacted the second, but both said the same thing, right down to the 'refuse further shipments of the game' part. And sometime between when you posted that link (http://www.target.com/Manhunt-2-for-PlayStation-Portable/dp/B000NIJ35C/sr=1-1/qid=1194056421/ref=sr_1_1/602-8710282-4500642?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k%3Amanhunt%202&page=1) to Target, and this morning the line "This item is available online, but is not available in stores." was added to the page. I won't say who gave me the original tip, or the name of the Target employee that confirmed it, considering the change on Target's own website, I'd say my information was pretty accurate.

[xplics]

Oh GOD here we go again with this nonsense. The freakin game was edited like crazy what else do they want?

[pseudopseudo]

Manhunt is... *thinking* ...the ONLY game that I couldn't stomach playing through. Maybe it's my fear of being stalked by psycho-ward escapees and bloodthirsty gang members. Maybe it's the fact that the only time I like being rewarded for being more brutal is when it's non-realistic (read: "MK fatalities"). All I know is that I played it for about an hour and a half, got that sick to my stomach-feeling that 7.62mm was talking about, and couldn't start it back up.

So, needless to say, I won't be picking this one up. I still think people who DO want to should be able to, though.

[Dirty Harry]

Manhunt is... *thinking* ...the ONLY game that I couldn't stomach playing through. Maybe it's my fear of being stalked by psycho-ward escapees and bloodthirsty gang members. Maybe it's the fact that the only time I like being rewarded for being more brutal is when it's non-realistic (read: "MK fatalities"). All I know is that I played it for about an hour and a half, got that sick to my stomach-feeling that 7.62mm was talking about, and couldn't start it back up.

So, needless to say, I won't be picking this one up. I still think people who DO want to should be able to, though.

The thing is, silent hills and resident evils did this to me too, the whole sickness in the stomach.

[KingGorilla]

Much like Resident Evil, I found the scariest part of the original to be the controls. Shades of Metal gear, here lets give them arthritis if they want to duck and move slowly.

[pseudopseudo]

The thing is, silent hills and resident evils did this to me too, the whole sickness in the stomach.

See, that's the thing. Resident Evil was scary, but it didn't give me the same feeling at all - the zombies kind of pulled it out of the realm of reality for me. I mean shit, popping a zombie's head like a zit with the heel of my boot seemed downright comical at times. Things like that made it fun to play.

Manhunt didn't have that kind of disconnect for me. EVERYTHING was creepy. You were constantly being hunted. You were rewarded for being as brutal and gruesome as you could in killing other people. I don't think it ever lent itself to being funny at all. (Given, I might not have played enough of the game to see anything that might've been comical.) I didn't enjoy that feeling at all.

Again, that's just how I see it.

That being said, at least they never made Manhunt into an online multiplayer game. Actually practicing all these lethal maneuvers on people who are actually controlling the other players? I think that's the only way Rockstar could've garnered any more press from concerned people. *LOL*

[Dirty Harry]

See, that's the thing. Resident Evil was scary, but it didn't give me the same feeling at all - the zombies kind of pulled it out of the realm of reality for me. I mean shit, popping a zombie's head like a zit with the heel of my boot seemed downright comical at times. Things like that made it fun to play.

Manhunt didn't have that kind of disconnect for me. EVERYTHING was creepy. You were constantly being hunted. You were rewarded for being as brutal and gruesome as you could in killing other people. I don't think it ever lent itself to being funny at all. (Given, I might not have played enough of the game to see anything that might've been comical.) I didn't enjoy that feeling at all.

Again, that's just how I see it.

That being said, at least they never made Manhunt into an online multiplayer game. Actually practicing all these lethal maneuvers on people who are actually controlling the other players? I think that's the only way Rockstar could've garnered any more press from concerned people. *LOL*

I dont see the difference between killing someone in counter strike and someone killing you in manhunt but that is just my opinion, death is death. Either the game is gory visually, or my mind will fill in the blanks. Either way a violent game is a violent game in my eyes.

[pseudopseudo]

I dont see the difference between killing someone in counter strike and someone killing you in manhunt but that is just my opinion, death is death. Either the game is gory visually, or my mind will fill in the blanks. Either way a violent game is a violent game in my eyes.

I don't know. There's a difference (again, my opinion only) between sniping someone from afar or blowing them up with a grenade (or even melee'ing them with the butt of your rifle) and asphyxiating them with a plastic bag or shanking them with a piece of broken glass. You're right though, our opinions just differ. My mind is unlike yours, in where you say you "fill in the blanks" if the game doesn't do it for you. I do agree on one thing - violence is violence. I guess I'm just more tolerant of one kind over the other, which is a little strange.

[KingGorilla]

I think what he is trying to say Justin is that when he strangles someone with his Wiimote, he screams "LOL NOOB!" and then t-bags the corpse.

[Kefkataran]

Its cool, I dont go to Target anyway, except recently somebody told me that they had DC licensed t-shirts on the cheap, so I went and got a pretty cool Batman shirt, and some stylish pirate-esque shirts. Other than that though, Target is about as significant to me as Bath and Bodyworks or some girly shit like that.

I got the Aquaman shirt. Totally awesome.

On-topic: I'm actually a fan of Target in general, regardless of how stupid this move is. It sort of continues the retailer tradition of being unwilling to work with violence in games the same way they work with violence in other mediums. I've got an article sort of related to this coming up soon for 1UP, hopefully this week.

[KingGorilla]

I got the Aquaman shirt. Totally awesome.

Can totally awesome follow a sentence about Aquaman?

[captainstrombosis]

Can totally awesome follow a sentence about Aquaman?

Aquaman got stabbed through the heart by a stingray. Totally awesome.

[KingGorilla]

Aquaman got stabbed through the heart by a stingray. Totally awesome.

CRIKEY!
<obligatory words>

[Kefkataran]

Can totally awesome follow a sentence about Aquaman?

It just did, but you enjoy your boring conformity to regular superheroes with "real" and "useful" powers. Fuck that shit. Me and my man Arthur will be over here talking to dolphins, bitch.

[KingGorilla]

You do that, I am gonna hang out in New York with the rest of the Super Heroes. Batman keeps a spare room for me.

[Kefkataran]

You do that, I am gonna hang out in New York with the rest of the Super Heroes. Batman keeps a spare room for me.

1. Batman's in Gotham, not New York. Subtle but important difference.

2. Batman and Aquaman are homies. Er, when Bruce Wayne needs fish tank-related help at least.

[joshkdmw]

As a gamer, I personally understand the idea that the mod is not made by Rockstar/Take Two, but before release the media was all over this game. Based upon the hot coffee mod they should have realized that this would happen and that they should have taken the appropriate precauctions. The general public/media has no interest in hearing about a mod, they are simply looking to point the finger. ROCKSTAR SHOULD KNOW THAT! Instead of filtering the actual act, they should have produced graphics that appeared filtered, instead of just overlaying the graphics with a filter.


Fair enough. You seem to have all the technical knowhow - why don;y you explain to us, step-by-step the precautions they should have taken. Give us all the technical details and terms. I'm interested.

Take into account the fact that the game was near completion when they had to implement the new techniques. So the animations are there.

[KingGorilla]

1. Batman's in Gotham, not New York. Subtle but important difference.

2. Batman and Aquaman are homies. Er, when Bruce Wayne needs fish tank-related help at least.

Whether or not you are of the camp who takes Gotham as a literal interpretation of New York, which it is. New York is even called Gotham. You are still partying with fish boy. And last time I checked, Fish boy was not exactly covered by swooning ladies. Even Spidey's depressed emo ass had Mary Jane. Batman had a different Supermodel date every night. Aqua Man had flipper.

[Kefkataran]

Whether or not you are of the camp who takes Gotham as a literal interpretation of New York, which it is. New York is even called Gotham.

Obviously Gotham is inspired by New York City. But in the DC Universe Gotham and New York City exist separately from each other. Nightwing left Gotham for a while and was based out of NYC (still might be even).

You are still partying with fish boy. And last time I checked, Fish boy was not exactly covered by swooning ladies. Even Spidey's depressed emo ass had Mary Jane. Batman had a different Supermodel date every night. Aqua Man had flipper.

Actually, again, if you want to be historically accurate, Aquaman was one of the few superheroes to have a successful marriage to an underwater hottie. But seriously, why don't you go make out with Wolverine or something.

[KingGorilla]

why don't you go make out with Wolverine or something.

While he is dreamy, I am afraid our collective stubble would fuse and form some Siamese monstrosity with super stubble.

[Kefkataran]

While he is dreamy, I am afraid our collective stubble would fuse and form some Siamese monstrosity with super stubble.

The scary part is that is actually word for word what Jeph Loeb was planning to do for his next arc on Wolverine before Marvel threw him off the book in horror.

[digitalErich]

Gotham is in Jersey
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[atariv8]

The original Manhunt is MUCH worse than the watered down Manhunt 2. It's because of the Wii's controls that the general public is freaking out and that the Wii is considered a kids system. I really liked the first Manhunt and so far I'm really liking Manhunt 2. If someone is having problems separating low poly characters for real people they need to get their head checked. I'm with 7.62mm on this, the game is a master of atmosphere and tension and it's the same thrill as a good horror movie. I love how people want to justify shooting a computer character as opposed to killing one up close and personal, what's the freaking difference. How can you justify one fictional violence over another? I'd love to hear what the same people saying Manhunt isn't worth the fight say when one of their precious games are the next to be "targeted". Manhunt is probably just the beginning...

[Kefkataran]

WTF, on-topic post?!

[digitalErich]

Also, after the last Crisis, Aquaman has consistently been kick ass.

[atariv8]

Whoops, sorry, um, yeah that Aquaman could probably kick Wolverine's ass underwater. Let's just hope it's the good sanitary violence and not the bad violence people don't like.

[Kefkataran]

This is what happens when King Gorilla and I get into a thread. :/

[KingGorilla]

This is what happens when King Gorilla and I get into a thread. :/

It keeps our true sinful urges at bay.

[Dr.Finger]

Namor could kick Aquaman's ass with one ankle-wing tied behind his back.

[Kefkataran]

Namor could kick Aquaman's ass with one ankle-wing tied behind his back.

This is actually a fact, but I'm an equal-opportunity underwater hero lover -- both Namor and Aquaman are cool with me.

[bapenguin]

Comic Nerd Alert!!!! ;)

[Rogue_hunter]

Comic Nerd Alert!!!! ;)

that ship sailed long ago in this site.

and actually, Kefkataran has gotten me interested in comics. Johnny Gigawatt FTW!

[Kefkataran]

and actually, Kefkataran has gotten me interested in comics. Johnny Gigawatt FTW!

Woohoo! Glad it worked on someone. :)

[Dirty Harry]

Woohoo! Glad it worked on someone. :)

to be honest, sometimes you get me interested in THE comics, but i figure im very poor sometimes so i do not have the spare cash always but the biggest factor is i have no internet moneys to give vendors, so i am stuck unable to buy internet pornography, woe is me.

[TeeCakes]

Target: "We're so much better than Manhunt 2, and having a backbone about our own inventory."
Wal-Mart: "Pick up Manhunt 2 today right here, and remember to say 'hi' to good ol' Sammy for us when you make it to Hell! (And please, for the love of Sam, don't return the game a day after beating it, because our return policy has so many holes being that it's totally catered to the difficult old female shoppers that make up 98% of our business!!)"

<---former Target employee. Red n' Khaki 4liiiiiife.

[Venkman]

http://www.destructoid.com/the-torture-porn-showreel-see-the-manhunt-2-that-they-didn-t-want-you-to-see-52507.phtml

Wow, look at all that gratuitous artistic merit and over the top story develpment.

[atariv8]

Thank God there's people out there telling us what good violence is and what bad violence is AND what kind of violence should be used in what type of situations AND what type of violence is the funny kind and what type of violence is "too realistic".

IT'S A POLYGONED, TEXTURED CHARACTER. IT IS NOT REAL. DO NOT LET CHILDREN PLAY IT SINCE THEY HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN REALITY AND FANTASY AS DO SOME ADULTS.
I have to say there is more of story in the Manhunt games there are in most horror films. Is it artistic? Not to me. Is it mindless fun? Sure. I am a passive person by nature and have never been in any physical confrontation or had the desire to be and real life violence sickens me as does most confrontations. The Manhunt games make me laugh like I laugh at a particularly brutal kill in a movie because I know it's fake. My parents taught me the difference between fantasy and reality. Maybe more people should focus on that aspect than on any particular game.

[pseudopseudo]

Thank God there's people out there telling us what good violence is and what bad violence is AND what kind of violence should be used in what type of situations AND what type of violence is the funny kind and what type of violence is "too realistic".

IT'S A POLYGONED, TEXTURED CHARACTER. IT IS NOT REAL. DO NOT LET CHILDREN PLAY IT SINCE THEY HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN REALITY AND FANTASY AS DO SOME ADULTS.
I have to say there is more of story in the Manhunt games there are in most horror films. Is it artistic? Not to me. Is it mindless fun? Sure. I am a passive person by nature and have never been in any physical confrontation or had the desire to be and real life violence sickens me as does most confrontations. The Manhunt games make me laugh like I laugh at a particularly brutal kill in a movie because I know it's fake. My parents taught me the difference between fantasy and reality. Maybe more people should focus on that aspect than on any particular game.

Settle down, psychopath. :rolleyes:

[Johan]

The Manhunt games make me laugh like I laugh at a particularly brutal kill in a movie because I know it's fake.

I'm so glad I don't know you IRL.

If you enjoy the torture, mutilation and death of people (with popcorn, no less!), or enjoy actually committing such acts "virtually," you have a real problem.

[Kefkataran]

I'm so glad I don't know you IRL.

If you enjoy the torture, mutilation and death of people (with popcorn, no less!), or enjoy actually committing such acts "virtually," you have a real problem.

To be fair (and keeping in mind that I'm not at all a fan of the Manhunt games nor condone what the guy you were replying to said), you are still enjoying killing people virtually in almost any FPS out there, for example, or many other games. It's just usually not so brutally portrayed.

[brokenFUN]

WOW manhunt is a piece of crap. Thank got they took that game off the shelfs.

[atariv8]

I'm so glad I don't know you IRL.

If you enjoy the torture, mutilation and death of people (with popcorn, no less!), or enjoy actually committing such acts "virtually," you have a real problem.

They're not "real" people. Get a grip. I'm glad you found games that you don't kill anyone in. Must be nice.

[atariv8]

Settle down, psychopath. :rolleyes:

I guess it's a good thing I'm taking it out on virtual people. ;)

Sorry for the all caps but the hypocrisy on this subject is mind numbing. THe only person who should be talking against Manhunt is the same person who swears off all violent media.

I wonder if most of the people against Manhunt walk out crying for the victims in horror movies.

[Kefkataran]

I wonder if most of the people against Manhunt walk out crying for the victims in horror movies.

Nobody's crying about Manhunt 2 -- they're saying that the kind of people who would garner enjoyment from that are probably kind of messed up. I'm guessing those saying that would feel the same about people garnering enjoyment from hyper-violent torture porn movies like Saw.

[Johan]

I wonder if most of the people against Manhunt walk out crying for the victims in horror movies.

I don't watch horror movies. Violence is not a problem for me. Neither is nudity.

I draw the line at actively or passively participating in films/games that require me to be entertained by the extremes of torture, mutilation and the like...the Saw/Hostel/Manhunt tripe of the world.

You feel free to draw that line anywhere you like for yourself. I'm glad we live in a country where that is our right. I'll continue to feel free to think you have problems. That's my right. It's also both of our rights to enjoy not having to know each other IRL, thankfully.

[atariv8]

It's also both of our rights to enjoy not having to know each other IRL, thankfully.

I guess we also live in a world where people make judgment calls on personalities because what kind of entertainment they like or how they come across on forums.

The problem is I'm not the one going into a forum and saying that people are lower in moral standing for liking a particular genre of media. My point is killing in a video game is killing in a video game no matter how you slice it.

I happen to not like Hostel or Saw type movies AND I teach Sunday school, so go figure. People are a little more complex than you seem to think.

The horror movie comment was in response to people thinking since I chuckle at fake over the top violence I was some sort of crazy person. To a general horror movie goer cheering for Jason or Freddy is common. When you begin to understand you're seeing latex make up or polygons (and since I'm in the film/video business it may help) things on a screen don't seem as important as things in real life.

Johan, so I guess we agree that to each his own, so why do some people have to defend their interests more than others? But unlike you I will never make a judgment call on your personality or lifestyle over the internet. I'm willing to meet anyone in real life to make that call.

[Johan]

Quote war? Oh well...here we go!

I guess we also live in a world where people make judgment calls on personalities because what kind of entertainment they like or how they come across on forums.

Stick around on the boards here or any other forum; you'll see tons of that.

The problem is I'm not the one going into a forum and saying that people are lower in moral standing for liking a particular genre of media.

I don't recall mentioning morality at all, and ironically, in implying that I did, you are in fact attempting to make me appear "lower in moral standing" for my opinion.

The only time I mentioned morality is just now, in response to you bringing it up. I don't care what your "moral" compass is, or where you draw the lines for what you accept and approve of in life. Doesn't matter to me. I have my beliefs, you have yours. That's fine. It's a big world.

My point is killing in a video game is killing in a video game no matter how you slice it.

Well, that's pretty obvious. I happen to also believe that egregious forms of violence (the type involving horrific torture and the like) are the signs of a trouble mind (in microcosm) and a poisoned culture (in macrocosm).

I happen to not like Hostel or Saw type movies AND I teach Sunday school, so go figure. People are a little more complex than you seem to think.

Your religious practices are immaterial to me, and are no badge of honor anyways, considering the number of screwed up religious people there are! People are quite complex, this is true. News at 11, I guess? :confused:

Johan, so I guess we agree that to each his own, so why do some people have to defend their interests more than others?

Why not? It's a forum...we post!

But unlike you I will never make a judgment call on your personality or lifestyle over the internet. I'm willing to meet anyone in real life to make that call.

Seems you made a judgment call there ("unlike you, I will never..."), which is perfectly fine. I don't mind!

Enjoy whatever form of legal entertainment you choose. Knock yourself out! You're also free to think that my opinion sucks; a point on which you will have plenty of company. Whatever works.

[atariv8]

Stick around on the boards here or any other forum; you'll see tons of that.

I guess that makes it right.

I don't recall mentioning morality at all, and ironically, in implying that I did, you are in fact attempting to make me appear "lower in moral standing" for my opinion.

Well, that's pretty obvious. I happen to also believe that egregious forms of violence (the type involving horrific torture and the like) are the signs of a trouble mind (in microcosm) and a poisoned culture (in macrocosm).

If you enjoy the torture, mutilation and death of people (with popcorn, no less!), or enjoy actually committing such acts "virtually," you have a real problem.

I mistakingly took "troubled mind" and "having a real problem" and called it morality, my mistake.

Seems you made a judgment call there ("unlike you, I will never..."), which is perfectly fine. I don't mind!

These are your quotes below right?

I'm so glad I don't know you IRL.

That's my right. It's also both of our rights to enjoy not having to know each other IRL, thankfully.

Less of a judgment and more of a straight reading. I'm sure this isn't over but thanks for the quote spar anyway, I think its my first one...Johan, you popped my cherry!

Well off to finish Manhunt 2...let's hope my wife and kids are safe tonight due to the troubled nature of my mind! :eek:

[Johan]

I guess that makes it right.

Yes. Yes, it does! Haven't you learned by now that what is "right" is determined by the majority? ;)

Have a good night with the wife and kids!

[KingGorilla]

Nobody's crying about Manhunt 2 -- they're saying that the kind of people who would garner enjoyment from that are probably kind of messed up. I'm guessing those saying that would feel the same about people garnering enjoyment from hyper-violent torture porn movies like Saw.

If you like Saw you are just an idiot. If you like Manhunt, you are 5 times bigger an idiot. And after watching this dude try to play level 16 of Portal today, I think I know the caliber of idiot(that's not fair, he was a little drunk).

[Kefkataran]

If you like Saw you are just an idiot. If you like Manhunt, you are 5 times bigger an idiot.

I don't totally disagree with this notion, but I also think it's probably too little info to make an informed judgment call on someone. Like I've said, though, I'm not a fan of Manhunt nor the Saw/Hostel brand of film-making, so.

[atariv8]

If you like Saw you are just an idiot. If you like Manhunt, you are 5 times bigger an idiot. And after watching this dude try to play level 16 of Portal today, I think I know the caliber of idiot(that's not fair, he was a little drunk).

I guess you're right, if I swear off the Manhunt games and make more posts like yours my IQ will come shining through. :rolleyes:

[Harv]

Boy, I didn't want it, but now that I can't have it I really want it!!!

[Johan]

Perfect time to post this:

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