Crysis 64-bit = More bollocks?

[J Arcane]

Some of you may or may not remember the folks at Crytek telling Gamespot that "Yes, 64-bit in general runs better than 32-bit. In fact I would recommend gamers run 64-bit only under very high configurations." (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180628.html?page=0&prev_button=1) in regards to it's sysreqs earlier this month.

YouGamers did, however, and decided to put it to the test (http://www.yougamers.com/news/13720_crysis_32_vs_64_bit_-_the_real_story/), by running some performance benchmarks on two different 64-bit machines, and were rather stunned by the results.

[From the first test:] Take a look at the low resolution and settings figures though: on such a system, the tests were a cakewalk and this time the numbers were consistent and always had the 64 bit mode running slower than 32 bit.
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[From the second test:] But look at the comparable settings to first system: DX9 Low at 800 x 600. Here we see that the 64 bit mode is still slower, albeit by a tiny fraction, than the 32 mode.... nearly. The High GPU test persistently gave the same sized gap with each run though, so there we have it: 64 bit faster than 32 bit, but only as a minimum value - the average and peak were essentially the same.

A more full breakdown of the FPS results in their tests are at the website, but by and large the numbers are not exactly a ringing endorsement of their 64-bit code.

[Norse]

If the DX10 case was Microsofts fault, who should we blame now? AMD or Intel?

[J Arcane]

If the DX10 case was Microsofts fault, who should we blame now? AMD or Intel?
I think this just screams incompetent programming.

Then again, they did get a big endorsement from AMD for FarCry . . .

[zyzyx]

"64 bit faster than 32 bit, but only as a minimum value - the average and peak were essentially the same."
The minimum value is the one that I care about, so surely what they are saying is correct.

[Goronmon]

I think this just screams incompetent programming.After that Hellgate thread, hearing you make comments like this makes me chuckle.

[KingGorilla]

Considering that Cevat has access to the latest code of the game, I would trust him on this one.

[Itchyeyes]

I think this just screams incompetent programming.
I have to agree. It's almost impossible to get the 64bit version of the game to even run in DX10 mode. It seems pretty clear that they didn't put near as much effort or QA behind the 64 bit version.

[Schnoogs]

Did they say it runs faster or produces better quality?

Remember people...some of the first gen 3D accelerators actually got lower frame rates than CPU's but the quality was much better in terms of interpolation, etc.

[KingGorilla]

Did they say it runs faster or produces better quality?

These are hardware review sites, FraPS are the only thing that matter in gaming.

[Beelzebud]

The more I read about this engine, the more I think Crytek are just lying about their tech.

Not really Direct X 10, not really better support for 64bit.

Someone tell me why this unoptimized engine is getting so much hype.

[Ancalagon]

I have to agree. It's almost impossible to get the 64bit version of the game to even run in DX10 mode. It seems pretty clear that they didn't put near as much effort or QA behind the 64 bit version.

Having not seen the codebase, I dont know how they organized things etc.

but, I'd be surprised if this were the case, because compiling code in 64 bit mode is often as simple as toggling a compiler switch to tell it to use 64 bit extensions where necessary.

In fact, I would argue that whether you are running on a 64 bit machine should be transparent to the programmer at this stage (unless you want to do math that actually requires a 64 bit cpu).

[MrMeatshake]

most. boring. story. ever.

[92miata]

i am using 64 bit ultimate right now, but when i reformat soon, i will be going 32 bit.

too much hassle!

[Goronmon]

Someone tell me why this unoptimized engine is getting so much hype.It looked pretty in the videos?

[KingGorilla]

We have had designers and programmers on this very site mention how great Cryengine 2 is to work with. And with the attention that Crytek paid to scaleability, easily updating the engine retroactively, and to modernize it, there is a lot of smart work and thought in this engine.

Also, I find it cute when people try to sound smart and talk about things they do not understand. This is the first engine making a push for 64 bit out of the box. It really sucks that Crytek is one of the last places trying to push the envelope.

[Itchyeyes]

Having not seen the codebase, I dont know how they organized things etc.

but, I'd be surprised if this were the case, because compiling code in 64 bit mode is often as simple as toggling a compiler switch to tell it to use 64 bit extensions where necessary.

In fact, I would argue that whether you are running on a 64 bit machine should be transparent to the programmer at this stage (unless you want to do math that actually requires a 64 bit cpu).
You can argue that all you want. It still won't make the demo run in both DX10 and 64bit mode at the same time.

[drakkarim]

i think that quote was from when intel was giving them coding support...

this game runs perfectly fine on 32bit code, judging by my demo experience.

[Schnoogs]

These are hardware review sites, FraPS are the only thing that matter in gaming.

I don't care about the site...I'm wondering about CryTeks claim. Did they say it would improve speed or quality? If it was quality then this hardware site is wasting our time.

[Wyrm]

We have had designers and programmers on this very site mention how great Cryengine 2 is to work with. And with the attention that Crytek paid to scaleability, easily updating the engine retroactively, and to modernize it, there is a lot of smart work and thought in this engine.

Also, I find it cute when people try to sound smart and talk about things they do not understand. This is the first engine making a push for 64 bit out of the box. It really sucks that Crytek is one of the last places trying to push the envelope.

Now if they could learn how to make a game that was fun to play, we'd be in business, wouldn't we?

[Schnoogs]

The more I read about this engine, the more I think Crytek are just lying about their tech.

Not really Direct X 10, not really better support for 64bit.

Someone tell me why this unoptimized engine is getting so much hype.

The more I read your posts the more I think you're slow.

The engine does use DX10 which is evident by the SM4 shaders found in the cache directory.

[KingGorilla]

Lemme just go through the Rolodex to find my old pal Cevat's number. I don't know what he meant by better, but I do know that all hardware reviewers care about are frames per second. I also know that these reviewers do not have access to the latest version of the engine or the game. Furthermore I know that that particular site was not using the optimal rig to test out the claims.

[Schnoogs]

Lemme just go through the Rolodex to find my old pal Cevat's number.

I guess this would have been funny if in any way I was suggesting that you go find out.

I was hoping for the original quote...but hey if you want to call him go for it.

[51|RandoM]

Clearly they were talking about the Solaris version.

[Beelzebud]

The more I read your posts the more I think you're slow.

Nice. The more I read your posts the more I think you're an asshole.

[Disgustipated]

Nice. The more I read your posts the more I think you're an asshole.

How many posts did it take you to figure that out? Schnoogs has always been an asshole, although he does make some hilarious posts at times.

We have had designers and programmers on this very site mention how great Cryengine 2 is to work with. And with the attention that Crytek paid to scaleability, easily updating the engine retroactively, and to modernize it, there is a lot of smart work and thought in this engine.

Also, I find it cute when people try to sound smart and talk about things they do not understand. This is the first engine making a push for 64 bit out of the box. It really sucks that Crytek is one of the last places trying to push the envelope.

You have to realize this news story has been dragged out into the open by a Microsoft-hating, ignorant schizo. He can't even get XP to run without getting viruses, what makes you think he's going to do anything but call Microsoft evil?

This newspost is brought to you by someone with a serious anti-MS agenda and bias, and anything that makes Crysis (which in turn is one of the top DX10 titles, and DX10 = Microsoft) looks like shit also, in some way, makes Microsoft look evil and shitty.

After that Hellgate thread, hearing you make comments like this makes me chuckle.

Every game released in the last 3 years has inconsistent programming because it won't run smoothly on his GeForce FX5200.

[Slack3r78]

Clearly they were talking about the Solaris version.

Actually, architecturally, there should be a positive performance difference between x86 and x86_64. On SPARC it should only really increase the word length. :p

[Goronmon]

The more I read your posts the more I think you're an asshole.Haven't you noticed? Most posters on EvAv are assholes.

[Schnoogs]

Schnoogs has always been an asshole, .


If there was ever a case of "pot meet kettle" this is it. :rolleyes:

[Goronmon]

If there was ever a case of "pot meet kettle" this is it. :rolleyes:So...you admit to being an asshole then?

[Schnoogs]

Nice. The more I read your posts the more I think you're an asshole.

I'd rather be an asshole than an idiot. Still waiting for your explanation as to why Crysis has SM4 shaders yet doesn't use DX10.

I won't hold my breath.

[Schnoogs]

So...you admit to being an asshole then?

Never been shy about it either. I just laugh though when others who act similarly try and call me out. Denial and hypocrisy go hand in hand.

[Darkmatter]

Wow Schnoogs, you must be a real joy to spend time with. At first I was going to say that I feel sorry for your co-workers, but then I realized that the way you act I should be saying classmates, not co-workers...

[Schnoogs]

Wow Schnoogs, you must be a real joy to spend time with. At first I was going to say that I feel sorry for your co-workers, but then I realized that the way you act I should be saying classmates, not co-workers...

Actually I don't know many of my classmates in grad school. Computer Science isn't the most social of fields. :D

[Beelzebud]

I'd rather be an asshole than an idiot. Still waiting for your explanation as to why Crysis has SM4 shaders yet doesn't use DX10.

I won't hold my breath.

And what are those SM4 shaders, for this particular game, doing that can't be done in direct x 9?

[Schnoogs]

And what are those SM4 shaders, for this particular game, doing that can't be done in direct x 9?

So first you state that Crysis ISN'T using DX10. When I called you out on it you changed your stance to this?

Many DX10 effects can be done using SM3 shaders BUT they are slower and more complex to code.

The Geometry Shaders really can't be done with SM3 and if you look at the cache Crysis is using some amount of those.

New Shader Models isn't ALWAYS about offering new technology that was previously impossible. It often allows effects to be done far easier and faster.

[Darkmatter]

Computer Science isn't the most social of fields. :D


You're the king baby....

But I must say, I do like how you toss out "grad school" like a peacock showing off its plume. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

You're the king baby....

But I must say, I do like how you toss out "grad school" like a peacock showing off its plume. :rolleyes:

I guess you hate it when your burns backfire on you :p

[Goronmon]

You're the king baby....

But I must say, I do like how you toss out "grad school" like a peacock showing off its plume.No offense, but that was pretty gay.I couldn't help myself.

[Schnoogs]

No offense, but that was pretty gay.I couldn't help myself.

So he was both hitting on me and trying to argue with me? :p

[Darkmatter]

I guess you hate it when your burns backfire on you :p

I would have thought that you'd have a better understanding of the English language as a grad student. Specifically the definition of "backfire." I'm afraid I'm not following you regarding how you've achieved this backfiring. If you mean your smugness about being in a post grad program I think you're in for a rude awakening when you grow up a bit more and step out into the real world. You'll then see that you are in fact not the only person who has gone the route of a post grad education. Hell, you're trying to start a pointless immature pissing contest with one right now. :p

You really do need to grow up man. Either because you're still of the immature mentality that you can act this way because you're online, or because you act this way all the time and you'll find out that you can never hold down a job...

[Beelzebud]

So first you state that Crysis ISN'T using DX10. When I called you out on it you changed your stance to this?

Many DX10 effects can be done using SM3 shaders BUT they are slower and more complex to code.

The Geometry Shaders really can't be done with SM3 and if you look at the cache Crysis is using some amount of those.

New Shader Models isn't ALWAYS about offering new technology that was previously impossible. It often allows effects to be done far easier and faster.

See you could have just set me straight the first time without being a total dick about it.

[51|RandoM]

Actually, architecturally, there should be a positive performance difference between x86 and x86_64. On SPARC it should only really increase the word length. :p

You know how sad it is when the only person who gets one of my jokes is also the one who deflates it?

[Schnoogs]

Hell, you're trying to start a pointless immature pissing contest with one right now

Denial and hypocrisy, once again, for the win.

Tip for you. Don't act like an ass when you accuse others of doing the same. You thought you were being clever when you suggested I was still in high school but that royally backfired when I playfully went along with it by pointing out that indeed I was in school only in this case it's grad school.

Just so you look like less of a presumptuous, hypocritical ass in the future I graduated with a CS degree 7 years ago and I've been in the "real world" ever since working for a Fortune 100 technology company. Perhaps one has to be in their 40's now adays to enter the "Real World". One can only wonder how far off you are from that.

And just remember when you're typing your snarky response to this that you're 100% guilty of whatever you think I've done. I've said this before and I'll say it again...trolling is still trolling even if you're responding to what you perceive as someone elses trolling.

[Schnoogs]

See you could have just set me straight the first time without being a total dick about it.

Where's the fun in that. You were so confident in your accusations towards CryTek that it screamed arrogance. I simply responded with the appropriate tone.

[Slack3r78]

You know how sad it is when the only person who gets one of my jokes is also the one who deflates it?

Sorry, it's reflexive after too many discussions with idiots who didn't understand why PPC64 wasn't a big deal. :p

[Darkmatter]

I think the fact that you think its fun to be an asshole pretty much says it all. But in response to your specific post above, you babel on so far removed from the actual conversation I don't see any reason to confuse your poor mind any further.

[Slack3r78]

I think the fact that you think its fun to be an asshole pretty much says it all.
I thank whatever higher power may be out there every day that I'm blessed with being an asshole, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Schnoogs]

I think the fact that you think its fun to be an asshole pretty much says it all. But in response to your specific post above, you babel on so far removed from the actual conversation I don't see any reason to confuse your poor mind any further.

Actually I was still on topic with my other posts. I only deviated when I addressed your pathetic attempts at trolling. With that being said the confusion seems to clearly exist within the confines of your poor mind.

I don't think it's fun to be an asshole any more than you think it's fun to be an idiot. That's just the way we are and we TRY and make the best of it. :p

[Slack3r78]

I don't think it's fun to be an asshole any more than you think it's fun to be an idiot. That's just the way we are and we TRY and make the best of it. :p
Haha most excellent.

[Darkmatter]

See you could have just set me straight the first time without being a total dick about it.

Where's the fun in that.



I don't think it's fun to be an asshole...

And you say I'm the one who's confused?


Anyways, I'm going to leave you to your delusional little mind and go play some Halo 3. I fear that if we don't stop soon Slack3r78 might have an accident from all the joy he's getting out of this conversation.:D

[Slack3r78]

And you say I'm the one who's confused?


Anyways, I'm going to leave you to your delusional little mind and go play some Halo 3. I fear that if we don't stop soon Slack3r78 might have an accident from all the joy he's getting out of this conversation.:D
I MAKE GREAT LOVE EXPLOSION! asdfasdfasfdasfd

[Schnoogs]

And you say I'm the one who's confused?


Anyways, I'm going to leave you to your delusional little mind and go play some Halo 3. I fear that if we don't stop soon Slack3r78 might have an accident from all the joy he's getting out of this conversation.:D

If you're gonna quote people don't remove the "any more" part.

http://www.assassinworks.com/pwn.gif

[Slack3r78]

http://www.assassinworks.com/pwn.gif

THIS IS NOT LOVE EXPLOSIONasdfasdfa

[Schnoogs]

That was my interest in ever dealing with Darkmatter taking care of itself.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual so I SHOULDN'T ever be hearing from him again.

[CptTripps]

Haha most excellent.

Haha indeed, I lol'd very hard at that, does that make me an asshole?

[Limech]

I think this just screams incompetent programming.

Yeah, I must admit every time I look at the amazing visuals of Crysis and the destructible environments like the trees, that's exactly what comes to my mind: incompetent programming.

Idiot.

[Schnoogs]

Yeah, I must admit every time I look at the amazing visuals of Crysis and the destructible environments like the trees, that's exactly what comes to my mind: incompetent programming.

Idiot.

Quoted for truth

[Voodoo]

So anyone want to talk about Crysis's gameplay? I really dig it. I wonder if they will patch for 10.1? I'm currently looking to get the ATI 3870.

[Schnoogs]

So anyone want to talk about Crysis's gameplay? I really dig it. I wonder if they will patch for 10.1? I'm currently looking to get the ATI 3870.

I loved Far Crys sandbox levels and this feels like more of the same.

I've played the demo 5-6 times and I'm always trying new routes and killing them in different orders.

[Voodoo]

Same here. I played the last go through running everyone over with the trucks or stabing them in the head! Much fun!

[Goronmon]

And you say I'm the one who's confused?

Anyways, I'm going to leave you to your delusional little mind and go play some Halo 3. I fear that if we don't stop soon Slack3r78 might have an accident from all the joy he's getting out of this conversation.:DMan, you are pretty terrible at flaming people. Just thought I'd throw that out there.