40GB PS3 uses 65nm Cell

[Wraith]

...uses significantly less power, making it cooler and quieter.

So says Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/30/40gb-ps3-features-65nm-chips-lower-power-consumption/), linking to a German site (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2Fnew s%2Fconsumer_electronics%2Fkonsolen%2Fsony%2F2007% 2Foktober%2F40-gb-playstation_3_65-nm-cell_-rsx%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8). Power usage is reported to have dropped from about 200 watts to about 135 watts (!).

[Adam Blue]

Interesting. I guess the definitive unit would be a combination of the 20gig and 60 gig...I still think BC is flawed though...the graphics don't output as clear as they do on a PS2.

[KidCactus]

This has been rumored in Sweden too, after one of the largest online stores writing in the product description that it does not produce as much heat and therefor is even quieter than the earlier versions.

[Xerxes]

Still doesn't have BC... lol

[Kamalot]

Still doesn't have BC... lol

Agreed. The 40 GB unit still fails without backwards compatibility.

[BlackPete]

Interesting. I guess the definitive unit would be a combination of the 20gig and 60 gig...I still think BC is flawed though...the graphics don't output as clear as they do on a PS2.

Well, good thing they fixed that by removing it, right? ;)

[Xerxes]

Agreed. The 40 GB unit still fails without backwards compatibility.

See here is where my thinking is. If you dropped a function from it all together. Instead of fitting into a price line you got going on of machine that still HAVE BC, shouldn't this model be even cheaper since not only does it have a smaller HDD but it's missing any form of BC. At least the 80 Gig has software BC.

[PathMaster]

Microsoft did it first.Sorry, it had to be said.

[silv]

I would actually consider getting a 40gb at the $400 price point if it had BC.

[Dukefrukem]

Still doesn't have BC... lol

:rolleyes: at least it will actually play games

[roboninja]

Cooler and less power-hungry is always better, but does it really make a major difference in a purchasing decision? It is not like the PS3 was seeing 'sploding consoles left and right like the 360.

[Adam Blue]

Well, good thing they fixed that by removing it, right? ;)

Yeah, I decided to keep my PS2 after seeing what the BC looked like. Hey, what can I say...when it comes to gaming I'm a videophile.

[Gorvi]

Doesn't this also reduce costs for chip production?

[WAZts]

That's quite impressive, Sony. Good job. Haven't said that in awhile. Now work on the BC issue.

[silv]

Doesn't this also reduce costs for chip production?

Yea, they can fit more chips on the same wafer reducing costs.

[Zander]

Die size of the PS3 is irrelevant to me. I'm waiting until I can find a refurb 60GB on the super cheap one day to own one. One day.

[Siraris]

Cooler and less power-hungry is always better, but does it really make a major difference in a purchasing decision? It is not like the PS3 was seeing 'sploding consoles left and right like the 360.

Just wait til Sony flips the switch they have, and all the 20/60/80 gig consoles start blowing up.

[Grimmjow]

Doesn't this also reduce costs for chip production?

yeap, also reduction of heat. Not like over heating was really its main problem. *cough*

[bapenguin]

Just wait til Sony flips the switch they have, and all the 20/60/80 gig consoles start blowing up.

Hopefully that's the same switch that releases good games for the system. *ZING*

[AversionFX]

:rolleyes: at least it will actually play games

From a relatively lackluster library? :rolleyes:

[Xerxes]

:rolleyes: at least it will actually play games

What, what?

[Reirue]

You know... I see a lot of people getting pissed that sony yanked the BC from the new models, but I have to say, it really doesn't bug me much.
I mean, I still have a working PS2, and I imagine quite a few people interested in the PS3 do as well. It might have been nice to toss it and save some desk space, but for a cheaper price I'd have gladly given up BC before any other features. Still, I guess this may just be my biased opinion from not needing it, and if their previous attempts at BC HAD made the games look better I'd be singing a different song right now.

[Xerxes]

You know... I see a lot of people getting pissed that sony yanked the BC from the new models, but I have to say, it really doesn't bug me much.
I mean, I still have a working PS2, and I imagine quite a few people interested in the PS3 do as well. It might have been nice to toss it and save some desk space, but for a cheaper price I'd have gladly given up BC before any other features. Still, I guess this may just be my biased opinion from not needing it, and if their previous attempts at BC HAD made the games look better I'd be singing a different song right now.

But you didn't get a cheaper price.

[rein]

will the 80Gb get the same love? Also, doesn't the 80Gb still have BC? If so, problem solved for those that want BC.

[lockwoodx]

Knicks suck, Yankees suck, Jets suck. ...... Krypton sucks

[roboninja]

Doesn't this also reduce costs for chip production?
Well, yes, but how is this a benefit to the consumer? Sony may save a few bucks, but unless they drop the price, it is of no consequence to me. The cooler and less power-hungry part is a benefit, however.

[Kelegacy]

Nice. I wish my 360 would just hurry up and die so I can hopefully get one that isn't a piece of loud, hot shit.

I'm waiting on the PS3 to release with Dual Shock 3 controllers standard. There are a few games out right now that I'd love to play. The inclusion of Blu-Ray just sweetens the deal for me, since I'm in the market for a High Def player soon.

[Kamalot]

will the 80Gb get the same love? Also, doesn't the 80Gb still have BC? If so, problem solved for those that want BC.

If other markets are any indication, the 80 gig PS3s will be short lived. They will likely be phased out completely to make way for the 40 giggers.

[oldjadedgamer]

If other markets are any indication, the 80 gig PS3s will be short lived. They will likely be phased out completely to make way for the 40 giggers.

Or they could pull the same crap that they did with the 20 gig and only make a tiny amount of the 40's, basically forcing people to buy the 80 gig instead.

[Cyndair]

I dunno, despite all the hate, I think the 40gb sku is going to hit the sweet spot for a lot of people. At least it still maintains all of its "next gen" ps3 features. Unlike the 360 Core unit. I'd much rather give up backwards compatibility to save myself 100 dollars over a hard drive, backwards compatibility, and a wireless controller.

[digitalErich]

Doesn't this also reduce costs for chip production?
Eventually, but new die size equals new chip fabs, which are expensive. You won't see a costs savings right away.

It's like having a fully paid off-car and buying a hybrid. Sure, it saves you money on gas, but you have to absorb the ramp-up costs (cost of car/chip fab) first.

[Gorvi]

Well, yes, but how is this a benefit to the consumer? Sony may save a few bucks, but unless they drop the price, it is of no consequence to me. The cooler and less power-hungry part is a benefit, however.
The point, though, is that the quicker they lower their own costs, the quicker they can lower the price. They're in a position now where they need to lower the price as much as possible to get consoles sold.

[Atorak]

Rumor Mill: I heard the 65nm Cell processor has been internally dubbed the "Emotion Engine".

[Kamalot]

Or they could pull the same crap that they did with the 20 gig and only make a tiny amount of the 40's, basically forcing people to buy the 80 gig instead.

Not likely. Sony has eliminated every model but the 40 gig in some regions. It is highly unlikely that there are any more 80 gig units even being made.

[Gorvi]

Not likely. Sony has eliminated every model but the 40 gig in some regions. It is highly unlikely that there are any more 80 gig units even being made.
You really think so? They're doing that in PAL territories, but each region is doing things differently. Hell, Japan still sells the 20GB model. What one region does is not a clear indication of the path another will take.

[Phades]

From a relatively lackluster library? :rolleyes:

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten but it doesn't make much sense. Yes, it's true that there aren't that many exclusive "must have" games on the PS3 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few good games. There's actually quite a bit available to play on it now. It's odd how if a game isn't exclusive to a system it suddenly doesn't exist.

[Scull]

I would actually consider getting a 40gb at the $400 price point if it had BC.
One of the local stores here has the 60GB with a $100 mail in rebate and I have been debating picking one up. 60GB + full hardware BC @ $399 is a pretty good deal. It's just really hard to justify that expense this close to Christmas.

[roboninja]

The point, though, is that the quicker they lower their own costs, the quicker they can lower the price. They're in a position now where they need to lower the price as much as possible to get consoles sold.
Okay, I can see that rationale.

[Edmontongamer]

Whoa am I reading this right? Some people actually showing sony love on evav? Cool.

[Binkley]

I don't really care about BC since I have a PS2. I still haven't played an Xbox game on my 360 so that might as well not have BC either. I guess I'm the ideal market for the 40gb huh? (I'm guessing there aren't that many people like me, all my friends bought the 80gb.)

[Wraith]

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten but it doesn't make much sense. Yes, it's true that there aren't that many exclusive "must have" games on the PS3 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few good games. There's actually quite a bit available to play on it now. It's odd how if a game isn't exclusive to a system it suddenly doesn't exist.Multiplatform games are important, certainly, but it's usually exclusives that push a gamer to get one console over another, or to buy a second console.

[karak]

I think I will wait till after christmas. Too many "for sure bets" on games for the other systems. I am gonna wait till they mature a bit. Since the price won't raise...well I don't think it will.

[Kamalot]

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten but it doesn't make much sense. Yes, it's true that there aren't that many exclusive "must have" games on the PS3 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few good games. There's actually quite a bit available to play on it now. It's odd how if a game isn't exclusive to a system it suddenly doesn't exist.

Exclusives actually do matter, cause for the price of an Xbox 360, you get a larger library, with more exclusive titles. Cross-platform games generally DO appear invisible when considering the console since they are available on the 360 and the PS3.

You are right, the PS3 does have a library of enjoyable games. It is also true that the Xbox 360 has a larger library of games, and quite a number of experiences you can't find anywhere else.

[AversionFX]

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten but it doesn't make much sense. Yes, it's true that there aren't that many exclusive "must have" games on the PS3 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few good games. There's actually quite a bit available to play on it now. It's odd how if a game isn't exclusive to a system it suddenly doesn't exist.

As BA mentioned, exclusives matter. Sure, there's a lot to play. The problem? 80% of those games aren't very good.

[xplics]

I would actually consider getting a 40gb at the $400 price point if it had BC.

Yeah it seems quite a few people did as well. Hey who knows maybe few months down the line Sony will decide to add it back in threw emulation or something. Still so glad I got the 60 giger when I did :D.

[Kelegacy]

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten but it doesn't make much sense. Yes, it's true that there aren't that many exclusive "must have" games on the PS3 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few good games. There's actually quite a bit available to play on it now. It's odd how if a game isn't exclusive to a system it suddenly doesn't exist.

That's a really good point. I think the problem is, if you already own a 360 there aren't as many reasons to go out and grab a PS3 right now.

Me, I would love to play Resistance, Ratchet, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, Heavenly Sword and some of the PSN games. Drake will probably be a ton of fun, too. All those games together are enough for me to want a PS3 right now.

If you don't own either console, there are multiplatform reasons galore, and exclusives to both that I think are worth a purchase. In addition, feature for feature the PS3 is the better bargain. Not everyone wants Wi-Fi, a larger HDD, Blu-Ray, Bluetooth, free online gaming, etc, but for the people who like that stuff, the machine is only $50 more than the 360. Ironically, the 360 SKU that comes closest to the PS3 in terms of features is more expensive and still doesn't have any of those features except for a bigger HDD.

Oh, and the PS3 seems to actually be a reliable, quiet machine. The 360...well, we all know how durable the 360 is.

[Kelegacy]

As BA mentioned, exclusives matter. Sure, there's a lot to play. The problem? 80% of those games aren't very good.

Wow, 80%? Can you please break down the good vs. bad games, and describe to us how you came to that precentage?

[Skampy]

Its a good move by sony to reduce costs. This PS3 will sell well at this price, But not nearly as well as it will when it drops another $100.

[jbavon]

My opinion on why Sony dropped BC:

BC was nice when the PS3 launched and and buyer's at launch didnt have many PS3 games to play on it.

Now the PS3 has been out for a year, has a bigger library, and that makes BC redundant.

I would be perfectly happy to buy a PS3 without BC, and am considering it. (But i'll probably hold out for a little while more)

[Disgustipated]

Um, yeah. Still no BC = who cares? It's cooler and eats up less power, but if you wanna play your PS2 games you gotta buy the more expensive ones.

[Kamalot]

Me, I would love to play Resistance, Ratchet, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, Heavenly Sword and some of the PSN games. Drake will probably be a ton of fun, too. All those games together are enough for me to want a PS3 right now.

I'm hoping Drake rocks, but so far the other games you listed didn't impress me enough to be happy with my PS3 purchase. I've waited for a number of them to be only moderately impressed, or let down. Nowhere are the games that show off the PS3 being way more impressive than the Xbox 360. The decent ones, Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank, clock in as such short games (6 hours = $60?) that rentals seem like the best bet.

Last generation, lots of people made fun of the GameCube for having a small handful of excellent games, but at least they had a little more meat on them.

Also, I didn't know Fable was out for the PS3. :O Maybe I'm missing something good?

Like those downloadable PSN titles you mention... they may be great, but without a demo, damn if I'm gonna spend $10 on a crap-shoot.

[Durka-Dan]

Well, yes, but how is this a benefit to the consumer? Sony may save a few bucks, but unless they drop the price, it is of no consequence to me. The cooler and less power-hungry part is a benefit, however.

Less mula on chips means they could put the money they save to some good use... like releasing Home earlier... or buying exclusives... or buying a big "PS3 <3 U" boat.

[Yeti2005]

For a while, I've had enough Sony points on my credit card to get a PS3 for free but I've waited and so far that seems to have been the right move. The PS3 is getting cheaper and cooler (65nm) and by Spring next year I'll be able to get a PS3 with rumble (and not have to re-buy a controller) and Little Big Planet and MGS4 will be out.

[BabyJesus]

Does not matter anyway, if Sony does not pick up some serious numbers this holiday they will start losing some serious 3rd party support. Its funny to see MS do to them what they did to the Dreamcast.

[Wraith]

Also, I didn't know Fable was out for the PS3. :O Maybe I'm missing something good?;) I'm guessing he meant Folklore, rather than Fable.

[walkstheplanes]

Microsoft did it first.Sorry, it had to be said.

Bahahahaha!

[Johan]

This poor dead horse keeps on getting beaten...

Are you the horse? Cause you took a bit of a beating there! :D

Good news for Sony economically here. Could be good news for consumers in price, but who knows...Sony has already been bleeding losses on the PS3 and may not move the savings on to consumers at all.

[Phades]

Exclusives actually do matter, cause for the price of an Xbox 360, you get a larger library, with more exclusive titles. Cross-platform games generally DO appear invisible when considering the console since they are available on the 360 and the PS3.

You are right, the PS3 does have a library of enjoyable games. It is also true that the Xbox 360 has a larger library of games, and quite a number of experiences you can't find anywhere else.

Odd that multiple people who responded to my post are indicating I said exclusives don't matter. I never said that at all, I simply pointed out that they aren't the ONLY thing. I also never indicated that the PS3 was the better console to get in contrast to the 360. My point was simply that people knock the PS3 for having no games when that's simply not true. The matter of 360 having a larger library is irrelevant to my original point. It helps to leave your own biases behind when interpretting someone else's post. Does another system having a larger library of games suddenly make the existing library for a competing system cease to exist at all? If this is true, neither the Gamecube nor the Xbox had any games on them.

[Guy Mariano]

You are right, the PS3 does have a library of enjoyable games. It is also true that the Xbox 360 has a larger library of games, and quite a number of experiences you can't find anywhere else.

I wouldn't say a large number of good ones unless the PC doesn't count as a gaming platform.

[Kamalot]

Odd that multiple people who responded to my post are indicating I said exclusives don't matter. I never said that at all, I simply pointed out that they aren't the ONLY thing.Sorry if it sounded like I was insinuating that you stated that exclusives don't matter, as that wasn't the purpose. I was simply trying to point out WHY people keep saying that the PS3 does not have any games. People generally regard cross-platform titles as invisible, a given, a parity of sorts. When people typically complain about one system or another not having any titles, they usually mean 'exclusive' titles.

The PS3 DOES have a library of good games but that library isn't as broad, deep or varied as the one on Microsoft's console.

[Gorvi]

I'm hoping Drake rocks, but so far the other games you listed didn't impress me enough to be happy with my PS3 purchase. I've waited for a number of them to be only moderately impressed, or let down. Nowhere are the games that show off the PS3 being way more impressive than the Xbox 360. The decent ones, Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank, clock in as such short games (6 hours = $60?) that rentals seem like the best bet.
So Ratchet is a 6 hour "decent" game now? Man, you'd better tell that to all those reviewers that gave it a 90% average on GameRankings. You might want to actually do your research before knocking a game, it may help.

[Kamalot]

So Ratchet is a 6 hour "decent" game now? Man, you'd better tell that to all those reviewers that gave it a 90% average on GameRankings. You might want to actually do your research before knocking a game, it may help.

The game is decent. That's not an insult. Halo 3 and the Orange Box have a lot more content for my $60. Comparatively, Ratchet and Clank isn't worth it to me. I still firmly stand behind my original statement (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1065762#post1065762).

[Venkman]

I wouldn't say a large number of good ones unless the PC doesn't count as a gaming platform.

In my house PCs are used for work.

[Phades]

The game is decent. That's not an insult. Halo 3 and the Orange Box have a lot more content for my $60. Comparatively, Ratchet and Clank isn't worth it to me. I still firmly stand behind my original statement (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1065762#post1065762).

I personally also feel that Halo 3 qualifies as "decent," as I haven't been very impressed with it (and I actually loved the first two). Orange Box though, you've got me there. I just finished that up last week and it was fantastic. It doesn't count though as it's also coming to PS3 soon and therefore "invisible."

[Kamalot]

I personally also feel that Halo 3 qualifies as "decent," as I haven't been very impressed with it (and I actually loved the first two). Orange Box though, you've got me there. I just finished that up last week and it was fantastic. It doesn't count though as it's also coming to PS3 soon and therefore "invisible."

I'll agree with you that Halo 3 is a decent game, but it offers people who enjoy it a lot more value than Ratchet & Clank or Heavenly Sword do. It has ample forms of multiplayer that can be enjoyed on or offline. A decent game with Co-Op is much more enjoyable than a decent game solo.

As of right now, The Orange Box is not available on the PS3. For now, it is exclusive to the 360 as far as consoles are concerned. As I pointed out earlier today, there are 245 people you talk to every day playing the Orange Box (http://www.evilavatar.com/card/gameboard.php?gamep=The%20Orange%20Box) on the Xbox 360.

[Phanto]

I don't really care about BC since I have a PS2. I still haven't played an Xbox game on my 360 so that might as well not have BC either. I guess I'm the ideal market for the 40gb huh? (I'm guessing there aren't that many people like me, all my friends bought the 80gb.)

Or you can wait until Sony release a new model of 50GB with Backward Compatibility and a lower price..

[Gorvi]

As of right now, The Orange Box is not available on the PS3. For now, it is exclusive to the 360 as far as consoles are concerned. As I pointed out earlier today, there are 245 people you talk to every day playing the Orange Box (http://www.evilavatar.com/card/gameboard.php?gamep=The%20Orange%20Box) on the Xbox 360.
Yep, that I'd have to pay $50 to be able to play against. $50 that I'd rather put towards an actual game.

[Kamalot]

Yep, that I'd have to pay $50 to be able to play against. $50 that I'd rather put towards an actual game.

I hear ya. That $50 could be used for a number of things. Personally, I'm saving my $50 that free online multiplayer gives me on the PS3 to buy another PS3 controller...when they finally start selling rumble-enabled models.

Then I'll be able to play local multiplayer.

[Johan]

http://www.fencingphotos.com/FencingPicts/040821_timacheff_AthensOlympicFencing_4686.jpg

A hit! A very palpable hit!

A return hit!

[Kelegacy]

I'm hoping Drake rocks, but so far the other games you listed didn't impress me enough to be happy with my PS3 purchase. I've waited for a number of them to be only moderately impressed, or let down. Nowhere are the games that show off the PS3 being way more impressive than the Xbox 360. The decent ones, Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank, clock in as such short games (6 hours = $60?) that rentals seem like the best bet.

Last generation, lots of people made fun of the GameCube for having a small handful of excellent games, but at least they had a little more meat on them.

Also, I didn't know Fable was out for the PS3. :O Maybe I'm missing something good?

Like those downloadable PSN titles you mention... they may be great, but without a demo, damn if I'm gonna spend $10 on a crap-shoot.
I meant Folklore, sorry.

And as for short games, I haven't played many long games this gen. Dead Rising was a great title, but extremely short. Halo 3 was short. Condemned. Almost every game other than Eternal Sonata and Oblivion, in my library, are over before you know it--thus so many rentals for me, unless I was able to score the game for cheap. Short is fine if the game is great, but I agree that $60 is too much. $60 is too much for ANY game, though, regardless of length.

Ratchet is supposed to be a fairly good length for the genre, around 10-12 hours. Resistance is also supposed to be pretty long, which is unusual for that genre. I'm an Insomniac fan and they haven't made a game that I have disliked, and I've been playing their games since Disruptor.

It all depends on taste. I would have been miserable with my Wii purchase had I bought one up till now, and still would be. My 360 moldered for a good long time after Oblivion, and I despised it because of a lack of games I was interested in. In 2006, Oblivion, Dead Rising, and Gears of War were the only games I bought for the machine.

It's 2007 and now look at me. I'm loving my 360 more than any other machine. We used to bash the PSP for having no games, but now it's an amazing little machine (and has more games up my alley than the the DS). Things can change in just a short span. Next year I might actually like the Wii, once there are more original games on it.

[Kelegacy]

Odd that multiple people who responded to my post are indicating I said exclusives don't matter. I never said that at all, I simply pointed out that they aren't the ONLY thing. I also never indicated that the PS3 was the better console to get in contrast to the 360. My point was simply that people knock the PS3 for having no games when that's simply not true. The matter of 360 having a larger library is irrelevant to my original point. It helps to leave your own biases behind when interpretting someone else's post. Does another system having a larger library of games suddenly make the existing library for a competing system cease to exist at all? If this is true, neither the Gamecube nor the Xbox had any games on them.
I also think that it's important to point out that the PS3 is not yet a year old. Of course the 360 has more games on it. Suddenly we forget the Wii also has a very high port to original content ratio. But it's got a wand controller, so I guess it's automatically excluded.

EDIT: I've never understood how games that are for PC and 360 can be deemed exclusive to the 360. Because, well, technically they're not. PC gamers don't need to buy a 360 for these games because they can buy them for the PC...hence, not exclusive. Exclusives mean they can't be found anywhere else. These games draw consumers to the machine, to buy it. If other gamers are playing these games on other platforms...well, they're not going to buy your system since they can already get the games elsewhere.

[karak]

I surely do love our old round n round, at EA. On the other hand, I have no sold o PS3's in 2 weeks and 46 Xbox 360's. 0 to 46. That is not a good odd.

[mister_slim]

Anyone who can only squeeze six hours of fun out of Ratchet & Clank needs to up their antidepressants.

[oldjadedgamer]

I also think that it's important to point out that the PS3 is not yet a year old. Of course the 360 has more games on it. Suddenly we forget the Wii also has a very high port to original content ratio. But it's got a wand controller, so I guess it's automatically excluded.

EDIT: I've never understood how games that are for PC and 360 can be deemed exclusive to the 360. Because, well, technically they're not. PC gamers don't need to buy a 360 for these games because they can buy them for the PC...hence, not exclusive. Exclusives mean they can't be found anywhere else. These games draw consumers to the machine, to buy it. If other gamers are playing these games on other platforms...well, they're not going to buy your system since they can already get the games elsewhere.

By this logic you are saying that the Legend of Zelda is not an exclusive anymore since it appears on other systems then the one it was originally created for?

This means that the Ratchet and Clank, Jax and Dexter, and God of War series of games are not exclusive either since they appear on different systems.

[RestlessAvenger]

By this logic you are saying that the Legend of Zelda is not an exclusive anymore since it appears on other systems then the one it was originally created for?
This means that the Ratchet and Clank, Jax and Dexter, and God of War series of games are not exclusive either since they appear on different systems.

Now thats just getting a bit absurd. How do you make the jump from GAMES to FRANCHISES. Although yes, given your examples one could say that Ratchet and Clank, Jax and Dexter, and God of War are all Sony exclusives.

I think one of the problems with the PS3 multiplatform games is the delay in release times. I can only think of a handful of titles that released day and date for the PS3 and the 360. There seems to always be that lag between releases. It does give the 360 a brief "exclusivity" window and I that could possibly be hurting the sales as some gamers already played it on the 360 (see Oblivion, Stranglehold, Orange Box among others.)

[Kamalot]

I also think that it's important to point out that the PS3 is not yet a year old. Of course the 360 has more games on it. Suddenly we forget the Wii also has a very high port to original content ratio. But it's got a wand controller, so I guess it's automatically excluded.

Xbox 360 has more exclusives than PS3.

Some will say that the Xbox 360 had a head start, and it isn't fair to compare it to the PS3. But really, whose fault is it that the 360 got a head start?

Wii has more exclusives than PS3, and it didn't get a head start.

With less of an install base, and a more complex development structure, PS3 will likely never have the number of exclusive titles that the 360 or Wii will have.

[karak]

With less of an install base, and a more complex development structure, PS3 will likely never have the number of exclusive titles that the 360 or Wii will have.
Sadly it keeps losing them. And fucking Halflife delay is just dumb, Stranglehold another damn delay.

[Kamalot]

Sadly it keeps losing them. And fucking Halflife delay is just dumb, Stranglehold another damn delay.

Must be all them 'lazy developers' again. :rolleyes:

[oldjadedgamer]

Now thats just getting a bit absurd. How do you make the jump from GAMES to FRANCHISES. Although yes, given your examples one could say that Ratchet and Clank, Jax and Dexter, and God of War are all Sony exclusives.

According to Kelegacy, if they appear on another system they are NOT exclusive.

But yes, I agree with you. All those games are Sony exclusives just like every game for 360/PC is a Microsoft exclusive.

[xplics]

Anyone who can only squeeze six hours of fun out of Ratchet & Clank needs to up their antidepressants.

LOL,good point. Serious though loving the heck out of R&C PS3, better then I expected.

[karak]

LOL,good point. Serious though loving the heck out of R&C PS3, better then I expected.

Its a good game. But I have to agree with a couple of the other guys. 1 time through and done. Its NOT replayable. Its just not that kind of game at all. So 6 -8 hours is about all your gonna get out of it. Unless you purposfully play it gawdawful slow or something.

[Vanthar]

Its a good game. But I have to agree with a couple of the other guys. 1 time through and done. Its NOT replayable. Its just not that kind of game at all. So 6 -8 hours is about all your gonna get out of it. Unless you purposfully play it gawdawful slow or something.

I dunno, I'm spending a good amount of time maxing all my weapons out and trying to do everything in each world. I'll easily exceed '6-8' hours. I think your grossly underestimating your playtime. Even if I played through without trying to do everything, I'd be above that mark already.

[karak]

I dunno, I'm spending a good amount of time maxing all my weapons out and trying to do everything in each world. I'll easily exceed '6-8' hours. I think your grossly underestimating your playtime. Even if I played through without trying to do everything, I'd be above that mark already.
Uhm...well ok. I guess you could squeeze more time from anything forcibly if you wanted. We finished it in 7 and 1/2 hours so I added a half to round up. And not a single soul has touched it since. But each to their own. In fact I had to force a couple of them to let me keep playing to win it.

[TrackZero]

I had the joy of answering some guys next gen console conundrum today (now I know how retail employees feel). He was torn between getting a 360 or PS3. So I ask the obvious "well, which do you like more". He was totally undecided (what a tool), so I asked what games he'd like on the PS3, he had no answer. I asked about the 360, he named a few. Naturally I said "well, isn't that your answer right there?". Fucking people. Don't buy on brand, buy for the games you want. Sheesh.

[xplics]

I had the joy of answering some guys next gen console conundrum today (now I know how retail employees feel). He was torn between getting a 360 or PS3. So I ask the obvious "well, which do you like more". He was totally undecided (what a tool), so I asked what games he'd like on the PS3, he had no answer. I asked about the 360, he named a few. Naturally I said "well, isn't that your answer right there?". Fucking people. Don't buy on brand, buy for the games you want. Sheesh.

Or like most hardcore gamers out there buy em all ;)....always works for me.

[Gorvi]

Its a good game. But I have to agree with a couple of the other guys. 1 time through and done. Its NOT replayable. Its just not that kind of game at all. So 6 -8 hours is about all your gonna get out of it. Unless you purposfully play it gawdawful slow or something.
I'd say I got about 10-12 hours on my first playthrough, but I also got all of the gold bolts, all of the weapon parts, and had nearly every weapon completely upgraded. It is fun to go through the game the second time since you're given newer, more powerful versions of your weapons to upgrade, plus the arena challenges are new, some of which are actually pretty damn challenging (wrench only, for example).

I'd actually play it through again to completion because it was just fun, but I'm letting a friend borrow it now in exchange for Folklore, so I'll get back to it later.