SCEA CEO Jack Tretton wants you to buy both a PS3 and a PS2...to save money

[eth3rton]

"While we're not going to complain about the launch of the cheaper 40GB PS3, we are still kind of miffed that it isn't backwards-compatible with our huge library of PS2 games -- especially since newer PS3s retain compatibility through software emulation and not specialized hardware like earlier models. Not to worry though, because Sony Computer Entertainment America CEO Jack "Daniels" Tretton is here to dazzle you with mathematics: according to Jackie, the consumer actually benefits from Sony's move to cut emulation, because now you have the opportunity to buy both a $399 PS3 and a $129 PS2, for a grand total of $528, which is -- wait for it -- less than the original 60GB PS3's price of $600! Of course, what Mr. T here is forgetting is that most people would prefer a single, $399 PS3 with backwards compatibility (and rumble, for good measure), but really, once you get spinning that fast it's awfully hard to stop."

Source once again Engadget : (http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/18/scea-ceo-jack-tretton-wants-you-to-buy-both-a-ps3-and-a-ps2-to/)

Wow. Don't know what to say here... Just wow.. :confused:

[BlackPete]

Sony should keep Wacky Jack around; he's a treasure trove full of quotable quotes! ;)

[Wyrm]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha.

Only Sony.

[Skampy]

lol, sony how you seem to keep the jokes a rollin

[WastelandDan]

and normally you have to pay people to write comedy this good!

[IrishWhiskey]

They also said today that part of the rationale for cutting PS2 backward compatibility, is that it will force PS3 owners to buy more PS3 games.

Sometimes its like they just blatantly don't care that they are dissing their consumers, figuring that the brand name alone will get millions of gamers to buy the system no matter what.

[Siraris]

What a complete fucking moron.

[Gerbs]

I bet when he dreamt this up he grinned ear to ear and high fived everyone in the board room.

[Johan]

They also said today that part of the rationale for cutting PS2 backward compatibility, is that it will force PS3 owners to buy more PS3 games.

OMG...that really is horrible. Oh man. :(

I can't wait for the next generation already. I'm hoping Sony will have its shit together, MS will build a box that doesn't implode, and Nintendo will actually attract, and sell, third-party software.

I can hope...

[silv]

It's getting pretty clear that Sony has terrible leadership.

[Pluvious]

...what leadership?

[firecut]

If I don't already own a PS2 I don't care about backwards compatibility because I don't already own any PS2 games. Just concentrate on making the PS3 cheaper and bringing out better games....forget about the past.

That said, add more features to your "multimedia center" already SONY. Divx/Xvid codec support and Skype as minimum. Wake up.

[Slowpc]

Or I could go and get a 60 gig ps3 at a bunch of stores today for 500 dollars... and wait... doesn't that machine have BC ???

Mmmmmmmm.....

(good old sony)

[ElPresidente]

It isn't just the past though firecut. The PS2 is still getting awesome new games.

Persona 3 anyone?

[oldjadedgamer]

Wait, so are they adding upscaling to 1080p now in PS2 units? Cause as of now, PS2 games running off of a PS2 unit look like complete garbage displaying on a nice TV.

[Major Dan]

Sony...up to their old tricks again.

The 60Gb one at $500 is the one to get, if your going to get one

[Zurik]

I wasn't sure if buying the 20gb version back a while ago was a good move, now I'm really glad I did. What the hell would I play if it wasn't for backwards compatible games!!?!

[cp#]

C-E-OH-NO HE DIDN'T!!!

Kinda of a dumb thing to say. But I won't be buying either machine.

[Guy Mariano]

The PS2 will be $99 for this holiday so even better.....

[tombofsoldier]

They gotta be losing a lot of money for executive drug benefits at Sony, I'm sure the shareholders are pissed.

[Kelegacy]

Tretton is just another overpaid mouthpiece spinster. Seriously. He's not very good at selling his product, and never has been IMO. The mainstream is a pack of wild screaming idiots, but you don't have to be so obvious about it.

[Sasori the Medic]

It isn't just the past though firecut. The PS2 is still getting awesome new games.

Persona 3 anyone?

Playing that right now actually! :D

[Spigot]

What the?

Ok. I'm not 100% up on all of the comings and goings of the PS3. I know that they were getting rid of the hardware BC on the newer models but is the 40 GB PS3 completely non-BC with PS2 games? Or is it just that it's using a software emulator that isn't 100% BC?

I'm so confused. And happy that I have a PS2 already :)

[mkelehan]

What the?

Ok. I'm not 100% up on all of the comings and goings of the PS3. I know that they were getting rid of the hardware BC on the newer models but is the 40 GB PS3 completely non-BC with PS2 games? Or is it just that it's using a software emulator that isn't 100% BC?

I'm so confused. And happy that I have a PS2 already :)

The new PS3 will not boot PS2 games, period. You might as well stick a Dreamcast game in there.

[Furious Wang]

Jack Tretton before work:

http://www.fresh99.com/images/funnyweedpics/bag-of-weed.jpg

[Rafer]

It isn't just the past though firecut. The PS2 is still getting awesome new games.

Persona 3 anyone?

Over the next year the PS2 will see several new games from Atlus, likely stuff like Persona 3: Fes, Ar Tonelico 2, Growlanser VI and from other companies we'll see, um... well I hope you like Atlus because it seems like they have the PS2 all to themselves at this point.

[PXG 360]

With spin like that, he should run for office and have Phil Harrison as his running mate...

Holy shit! My fucking brain hurts from reading that.

[Wolvie]

*crusty the clown groan* If Sony was a football team they'd have fumbled themselves into an 0-16 record.

[Durka-Dan]

Actually, the only spin I see is what the media is putting on his comments.

The ORIGINAL response to the interviewer's question was:
I guess the way I tend to look at it, N'Gai, is if I'm a consumer, and I paid $599 for the Playstation 3 when it launched, I got backwards compatibility and I got Playstation 3 technology. Today, for $399, I'm able to get all the same technology in the Playstation 3, and for $129, if I don't own a PlayStation 2, I can buy that as well at any retailer in North America. So for a total investment of $529, I've got two machines that do everything the same machine did a year ago at $599. So it's hard for me to see that as a negative for the consumer.

Once again, the issue everyone tends to fucking over look is that IF YOU HAVE A PS2 LIBRARY, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A PS2 OR BOUGHT A PS3 ALREADY. Nobody is fucking anybody. Chances are that if you don't own a PS2 by now you probably won't be playing any PS2 titles anytime soon.

NOT TO MENTION THE 80 GIG IS $500.

Edit: By the way, let's try to avoid sources that cite sources that cite sources in the future. It's like an internet version of telephone. True source: Here (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/10/18/sony-announces-new-40-gig-ps3-for-399-insists-ps3-remains-relevant.aspx)

[Gilius Thunderhead]

With spin like that, he should run for office and have Phil Harrison as his running mate...

Holy shit! My fucking brain hurts from reading that.

With spin like that, J. Tretton should be a figure skater. Or a vert skater.

[Tyler Durden84]

Has everyone in the gaming community gone bat shit fucking crazy?

[jpublic]

Christ, it's like I'm psychic. I called this like 2 weeks ago.

[KidNicarus]

So because I think that not including at least software emulation in the 40 gig model of the PS3 makes me "mainstream" and a "wild screaming idiot"? Look why come out in defense of Sony on this? It isn't helping. If anything Sony employees will see the completely rational internet backlash as a result of this horrible decision.

Software emulation is totally something that can be added after the fact. I actually want a reason to buy one of these things and I would like to have backward compatibility so I can disconnect my PS2 and have one less piece of hardware in my house.

I ask again, why the spin? Heh, that ryhmes.

[y3kushan]

Chances are that if you don't own a PS2 by now you probably won't be playing any PS2 titles anytime soon.



I never owned a Gamecube and now that I have a Wii I'm catching up on a bunch of (cheap) classics. Some people never had a PS2 and will want to do the same thing.

[Haemorrhage]

Jack didn't actually say that....someone PLEASE tell me this is a joke.

I don't even know what to type....I am lost for words right now...

There is corporate spin, and THEN there is crazy corporate spin.

[Micasa]

They also said today that part of the rationale for cutting PS2 backward compatibility, is that it will force PS3 owners to buy more PS3 games.

Sometimes its like they just blatantly don't care that they are dissing their consumers, figuring that the brand name alone will get millions of gamers to buy the system no matter what.

Yeah, I thought that quote was ridiculous. Cutting BC didn't represent much of a saving, but they did it to force PS3 game sales. They must be worried about their software sales.

[violentp]

Sony is like my drunken uncle who decides it's a good idea to wear the lampshade.

[Razorlution]

I find it funny, that I also read a quote from Sony saying that the point of the 40 gb is for all the people who already own a PS2.....yet its still cheaper for me to buy a PS3 40gb and PS2 then buy a PS3 80gb.......christ what is wrong with Sony.....

[KingGorilla]

Why do these articles fail to mention the incredibly small proportion, of even hardcore gamers, who will use [give a damn] about backwards compatibility?

[Zeal]

Emulation doesn't start until we say it does.

[Norse]

Why do these articles fail to mention the incredibly small proportion, of even hardcore gamers, who will use [give a damn] about backwards compatibility?

You never feel the urge to play games from 3-4 years ago?

[Xerxes]

Fuck that... Give the credit for this article to N'Gai and Newsweek. I love that guy and this thing he has going called, gaming journalism. Engadet didn't do anything.

Sony's marketing team gets there ideas from the heads of the company.

[KingGorilla]

You never feel the urge to play games from 3-4 years ago?

Generally, no. And when I do it often crushed my nostalgia. Maybe some people can fool themselves into thinking that the classics are just as good now, or even just the ones that they liked stand the test of time. But the truth is that yesterday's games suck compared to what we have now or in the future, and a paltry handful will stand the test of time like Pac-Man for example.

[alexander|thegreatest]

I don't really see what the big deal is about keeping the ol' PS2 around for your vintage games.

Especially when the newer models are about as big as a slice of bread.

[KingGorilla]

I don't really see what the big deal is about keeping the ol' PS2 around for your vintage games.

Especially when the newer models are about as big as a slice of bread.

This is the Internet we can make a Tempest in a Teapot look like fucking Katrina.

[Xerxes]

I don't really see what the big deal is about keeping the ol' PS2 around for your vintage games.

Especially when the newer models are about as big as a slice of bread.

Well... I think the problem is buying a new ps2 to play those old vintage games. Good deal of them aren't even that vintage as PS2 is still going pretty well. And like you said, instead of two pretty huge boxes PS3 and Xbox 360, now you have to throw a slim ps2 into the mix. Kinda sux. Or people can quit there bitching and never play Okami or Shadow of the Colossus. Live only for new games, cause all things a year old is shit. :rolleyes:

[lockwoodx]

Sometimes its like they just blatantly don't care that they are dissing their consumers, figuring that the brand name alone will get millions of gamers to buy the system no matter what.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7661/sonybullshitanim4jj1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Crowe]

Despite saying I never thought I would buy a PS3 it has come to my attention over the last couple of months that I have indeed missed out on quite a few PS2 gems, and had Sony kept backward compatibility, a year down the track and at the right price I would most definitely have consided picking one up.

With BC now all but gone, and the BC compatible units still much to pricy, I think I might just settle for a cheap ass PS2, that way I get to play all the games I missed, and I will still able to play fantastic new games on my Xbox 360.

Then in a couple of years when I want to play any games on the PS3 i can just do what I'm planing to do with the PS2...buy it dirt cheap. I there will come a time when I own a PS3, it just wont be for quite a few years.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

In all honesty, its not a bad solution. It is cost effective with the fact of a cheaper PS2 coming (or the possibility of just picking up a used one cheap). But it isn't very convenienbt to take up the extra space for controllers etc.
Is it ideal, absolutely not. However, it is a viable solution if u decide u need to play ps2 games down the road and dont want to pay for the cost of one of the capable PS3s.

I wonder if this is a ploy by Sony to get consumers to buy the higher priced machines now?

[Virtuoso]

Generally, no. And when I do it often crushed my nostalgia. Maybe some people can fool themselves into thinking that the classics are just as good now, or even just the ones that they liked stand the test of time. But the truth is that yesterday's games suck compared to what we have now or in the future, and a paltry handful will stand the test of time like Pac-Man for example.

Congratulations, you win the absolutely full of shit award for the day!

I would rather play the original katamari damacy than the new one.
I would rather play FF7 than FF12.
I would rather play the first 3 metal gear games than not at all.

Either you delude yourself into thinking it doesn't matter, or you have no appreciation for gaming at all, just searching for the newest shiny thing.

Either way you are a tool.

[GunJ]

I don't really see what the big deal is about keeping the ol' PS2 around for your vintage games.

Especially when the newer models are about as big as a slice of bread.

The big deal would be the lack of upscaling, making the PS2 titles look like shit on modern HDTV's.

/end "captain obvious mode"

Wanna keep PS2 around for your vintage games - make sure you keep that CRT tv-set around also. Not so cool? - yup, not so cool.

Personally I wouldn't give a crap about BC on newer models. They cut the price, have a chance to push it to more consumers.
And that's great - let them buy it, and enjoy it. (even though a LOT of ppl will be buying it cause it's a Playstation... and look ! "It's just a bit more expensive than the crappy Xbox!" "Ya, man - I hate Microsoft, Sony is teh c00lest!"

Then I wait 2 years for developers to start doing their shit and actually bring out some (quality) gaming for PS3.

Then I buy it for 199$ with access to premium gaming, finished HOME etc.

Then I win. ;)

What's not to like ? :)

Also :

This is the Internet we can make a Tempest in a Teapot look like fucking Katrina.

You, sir - just might have a point here ;)

[Ancalagon]

Jack Tretton is such a troll.....

[DubiousQuality]

This is the Internet we can make a Tempest in a Teapot look like fucking Katrina.

You drew the short straw for the SDF this week didn't you?

[GunJ]

You drew the short straw for the SDF this week didn't you?

Regardless if he did - that statement drips with truth. Not in connection to Sony itself, but to internet things in general.

[Gorvi]

Yeah, that's just kinda dumb. I still don't think the "no BC" is half as big a deal as it's being made out to be (bad decision, but not earth shattering), but saying to just go buy a PS2 sounds stupid.

[Rotting]

You never feel the urge to play games from 3-4 years ago?

With the amount of games that are coming out right now I can't even keep up with current games.

[Zander]

Now instead of waiting for the PS3 price drop, I'll wait until I can get a 60 or 20 gig model on refurb for cheap.

[CoachCrazyMcScot]

I wonder if ole Jack is in line for the Notre Dame Football Head Coaching job...his resume' has to be SOOOO impressive to Sony that he surely must qualify for anything available out there.

Seriously, what is this guy ON?

Microsoft must be doing handsprings over this guy...."Please keep him, we can't ask for a better competitor"

[drakkarim]

don't know how sony manages to come up with this shit every time.

either way, i bought my 60gb for the free movies and backwards compatability, if anyone has issues with the 40gb version losing compatability to save cost, well, maybe they should've bought the 60gb version?

yeah, it'd be nice to have your cake and eat it too, but....

i'm still pissed at microsoft for not including hdmi from the start. that combined with not including hddvd playback doesn't put them in a "MS knows how to do it better" light for me.

[Skyelan]

I would rather play the original katamari damacy than the new one.
I would rather play FF7 than FF12.
I would rather play the first 3 metal gear games than not at all.

Either you delude yourself into thinking it doesn't matter, or you have no appreciation for gaming at all, just searching for the newest shiny thing.

It's funny, because I love sticking in older games, but I'm the polar opposite than you.

I think We <3 completely eradicates any reason to own the original.
I disliked FF7 and adore FF12.
I think Metal Gear Solid 3 is so much better than the rest of the series, that Subsistance is the only one on my shelf.

I would've personally used more unique stand-alone titles like Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, Eternal Darkness, and the like. :p

[CaptStu]

OR, you can get a new 360 and a new PS2 for as much, maybe cheaper, than you can get a new PS3, and you'd get way more games. :)

[Telefrog]

Jack is the man! Sony should just let him go on a speaking tour and talk about everything from religion to politics. That would be awesome.

[silv]

Here is another great quote today from Bloomberg:

Tretton said the older console's popularity is one of Sony's strengths.

``The PlayStation 3 is gravy,'' he said.

[roboninja]

I don't really see what the big deal is about keeping the ol' PS2 around for your vintage games.

Especially when the newer models are about as big as a slice of bread.
It's not the point that it is a big deal. As was mentioned, people with a PS2 library probably already had a PS2. The problem is they are removing a feature that costs them essentially nothing to add, in hopes you will either buy the more expensive model or a PS2. They are not removing the EE here to save money, that was last price drop. This removal saves them nothing, and costs the consumer something. Easy to see which way the balance lies there. I tend to always side with the consumer.
Plus, he overall in-your-face arrogance of Sony has not abated, and really makes me laugh at their misfortunes. I used to love my PS1 nad PS2, too.

[violentp]

Funny, as much bullshit is actually within the PR fundamental at Sony, it really means very little to me in regards to the Playstation. I mean, no amount of bad publicity or bad speeches will deter me from purchasing a game I deem interesting. The same weekly berating, that's what's kinda getting old. Sony is retarded in their PR, we have all known this, but yet every week, another ten pages of the same horse beatings. In the end, who fucking cares what these guys say anymore?

[D.D.D.]

So if I can get the 20GB PS3/Hot Shots Golf 5 pack for $400 new, should I?
I mean there's nothing I'm dying to get now but MGS4 is coming soon-ish maybe. And I have a brand new slim PS2, but I really don't want to have a gimped PS3 by the time some great games come rolling around...

[violentp]

So if I can get the 20GB PS3/Hot Shots Golf 5 pack for $400 new, should I?
I mean there's nothing I'm dying to get now but MGS4 is coming soon-ish maybe. And I have a brand new slim PS2, but I really don't want to have a gimped PS3 by the time some great games come rolling around...

I bought a PS3 solely because of backwards compat. If I hadn't heard it was being removed, I'd probably still not have one. It all depends on whether that's important to you.

Hot Shots does look sweet though.

[Gorvi]

So if I can get the 20GB PS3/Hot Shots Golf 5 pack for $400 new, should I?
I mean there's nothing I'm dying to get now but MGS4 is coming soon-ish maybe. And I have a brand new slim PS2, but I really don't want to have a gimped PS3 by the time some great games come rolling around...
Well, if you're getting that, you're getting a Japanese model, meaning if you want to use the BC, you'll only be able to play Japanese games (PS3 games are all region free, so you'd be good there). I'd pass unless you really want a Japanese system.

[D.D.D.]

I bought a PS3 solely because of backwards compat. If I hadn't heard it was being removed, I'd probably still not have one. It all depends on whether that's important to you.

Hot Shots does look sweet though.

Yeah B/C is important to me but I heard that the PS3 also upscales PS2 games. So that was also of interest... Whenever I get an HDTV.:confused:

[Beelzebud]

Sony has certainly delivered entertainment on this round of consoles.

I just don't think it's the sort of entertainment their shareholders were hoping for.

[Fartacus]

Why do these articles fail to mention the incredibly small proportion, of even hardcore gamers, who will use [give a damn] about backwards compatibility?

Where's the data to back that up? Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE that I know who owns a PS3, Wii, or Xbox 360 uses the backwards compatability. And a few of those people are not hardcore gamers. I'm quite aware that my circle of friends with gaming consoles is not a statistically significant sampling, but until I see hard data that says otherwise it's all I can go from.

[atariv8]

I'm sorry there's nothing like playing Republic Commando(or insert any xbox game here) upscaled beautifully to 1080p. It would of been nice to have the option, when the PS3 comes down in price, to do the same with Shadow of Colossus(or insert any PS2 game here). Having an old working PS2 around will not cut it on my HDTV.

[LandStander79]

Am I the only person out there waiting with my fingers crossed that the PS3 will become a "mass market success"? I'm holding off on getting one until there are games I want to play (or if Blu-Ray ends up as the standard hi-def disc format), but I have so many fond memories of the games I played on my PSX and PS2. I would love to see the PS3 reach that same level of greatness as its predecessors did...

[Xerxes]

Ps2 doesn't work on HD?

[violentp]

Am I the only person out there waiting with my fingers crossed that the PS3 will become a "mass market success"? I'm holding off on getting one until there are games I want to play (or if Blu-Ray ends up as the standard hi-def disc format), but I have so many fond memories of the games I played on my PSX and PS2. I would love to see the PS3 reach that same level of greatness as its predecessors did...

I want the PS3 to become successful, not necessarily dominate the market. I want them to be successful enough to offer legitimate competition to Microsoft and Nintendo and drive a higher quality games market.

[LandStander79]

I want them to be successful enough to offer legitimate competition to Microsoft and Nintendo and drive a higher quality games market.

Great point, and if this were the case then gamers = the winners!

[violentp]

Great point, and if this were the case then gamers = the winners!

Indeed. It's also the very reason I'm saddened by the current state of the average gamer. They are being coaxed into choosing a side and in turn despising the other. This continues, the outcome may not be so grand for those who simply play games.

[yourdarkesthour]

And if I didn't think that Sony was ridiculous before....

[TheFlyingOrc]

Why do these articles fail to mention the incredibly small proportion, of even hardcore gamers, who will use [give a damn] about backwards compatibility?
I would have agreed with you, but the numbers from Europe suggest otherwise. 90% of PS3s sold during the week they launched the cheaper model were ones with backwards compatibility.

[Sir Kodiak]

Once again, the issue everyone tends to fucking over look is that IF YOU HAVE A PS2 LIBRARY, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A PS2 OR BOUGHT A PS3 ALREADY. Nobody is fucking anybody. Chances are that if you don't own a PS2 by now you probably won't be playing any PS2 titles anytime soon.

Consoles sometimes break, as mine did. And I was interested in playing PS2 games that hit genres not greatly represented on the 360. I own a PS3 just to play these games, and the fact that they're upscaled helps. In fact, no PS3 game discs have passed through my PS3's slot, just PS2 games and movies (I'll note that PSN does have some good stuff). I'll probably rent Heavenly Sword... once I'm done playing God of War 2 on my PS3.

Why do these articles fail to mention the incredibly small proportion, of even hardcore gamers, who will use [give a damn] about backwards compatibility?

Because good journalism would require them to only mention that if they had a reliable source for it. Do you have one? Because I've never seen an objective study of that. In fact, as others have mentioned, PS3 sales numbers in territories where BC versions are being removed actually indicate the opposite.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Because good journalism would require them to only mention that if they had a reliable source for it. Do you have one? Because I've never seen an objective study of that. In fact, as others have mentioned, PS3 sales numbers in territories were BC versions are being removed actually indicate the opposite.
Right - I actually agree that BC is not a big deal - to myself personally. However, the sales numbers seem to indicate that it IS a big deal to the general populace, assuming America/Japan behave like Europe.

[Johan]

It fits:

http://stopwaste.org/images/bunny.jpg

[CooterTKE]

so the 80 will have BC and the 40 will not? I have to say I love to go back to my PS1 games everyonce and a while so I am glad i have the 60 gig.

Forgive my ignorance but the 80 gig BC is software based right? Couldn't they just in the future offer the software as a download to the 40gig?

[Virtuoso]

Forgive my ignorance but the 80 gig BC is software based right? Couldn't they just in the future offer the software as a download to the 40gig?

Its partial software, partial hardware.

[Talanvor]

Okay, if they want to sell software, they need to do better. So they have 3 titles that look interesting that aren't on the 360. Heavenly Sword (Good reviews, but oh so very short), Warhawk (online ONLY, so if that ain't your bag it's not for you) and Folklore, though people seem to be crapping on Folklore for some reason. I guess Resistance too, but let's face it; everyone who has a PS3 probably already got Resistance since the other choices were Genji and Untold Legends, blergh.

I'm not even going to get into Lair.

[Kamalot]

You know, most PS3 purchasers already have a DVD player. Why not disable the DVD playback in the PS3 to convince customers to buy more Bluray movies? If you want to watch DVDs, just keep a separate DVD player hooked up to your TV.

Buying a $400 PS3 and a $50 DVD player is cheaper than buying a $600 PS3 with DVD playback capabilities.

[Gorvi]

You know, most PS3 purchasers already have a DVD player. Why not disable the DVD playback in the PS3 to convince customers to buy more Bluray movies? If you want to watch DVDs, just keep a separate DVD player hooked up to your TV.

Buying a $400 PS3 and a $50 DVD player is cheaper than buying a $600 PS3 with DVD playback capabilities.
We get it, it's ridiculouos. You're beating a dead horse by this point. You may want to remember that there is no longer a $600 PS3, though.

[Zanzibar]

I wonder if this is some gigantic ploy to spur PS3 sales before Christmas. You know, the old 'Fuck it, I can't figure out these new SKUs anymore, I'd better just go fucking get the 60gb while I still can.'

[Phanto]

They really are that desperate.. they should just focus on the PS2 and forget about the PS3 then.

[TheFlyingOrc]

We get it, it's ridiculouos. You're beating a dead horse by this point. You may want to remember that there is no longer a $600 PS3, though.
Oh, so his statement no longer stands, as you can get a PS3 for less than the price of a cheap PS3 and a PS2? ;)

[Kamalot]

We get it, it's ridiculouos. You're beating a dead horse by this point. You may want to remember that there is no longer a $600 PS3, though.

Oh, right, right. Some would even call it ridiculous too.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa55/goodavatar/DeadHorse.gif

The only thing that is dead, is the PS3. There's no way it is coming back for 1st place this generation. It has already been relegated to GameCube (or some would say Sega Saturn) status of red-headed stepchild this generation. On my flight yesterday, there was an article in the free magazine in the seat pocket. It talked about how Home was an attempt to save Sony from it's flop of a console. Millions of passengers read this kind of stuff every day.

Honestly, what mystical act can undo all of the negative mainstream press that keeps reinforcing the notion in Joe-consumer's mind that the PS3 is a flop? Seriously, what can Sony do at this point to gain customer trust?

You got a plan to save the PS3? I'd love to hear it, cause this bone-headed filth that Jack is spewing isn't doing the trick.

[oldjadedgamer]

We get it, it's ridiculouos. You're beating a dead horse by this point. You may want to remember that there is no longer a $600 PS3, though.

... yet. Until they announce a new sku and with their current and past track record, there is a VERY good chance of them doing it.

[violentp]

Oh, right, right. Some would even call it ridiculous too.

The only thing that is dead, is the PS3. There's no way it is coming back for 1st place this generation. It has already been relegated to GameCube (or some would say Sega Saturn) status of red-headed stepchild this generation. On my flight yesterday, there was an article in the free magazine in the seat pocket. It talked about how Home was an attempt to save Sony from it's flop of a console. Millions of passengers read this kind of stuff every day.

Honestly, what mystical act can undo all of the negative mainstream press that keeps reinforcing the notion in Joe-consumer's mind that the PS3 is a flop? Seriously, what can Sony do at this point to gain customer trust?

You got a plan to save the PS3? I'd love to hear it, cause this bone-headed filth that Jack is spewing isn't doing the trick.

I don't know about anyone else but as long as good games come out for the PS3, I don't give a frogs ass about bad PR, empty promises, hypocrisies, multiple SKU's, etc. Give me something to play on it and go eat your babies. I don't care.

[Johan]

Give me something to play on it and go eat your babies. I don't care.

I have more babies than the PS3 has AAA games to play. I guess I can eat my babies and skip the PS3!?! ;)

And I'm making more than they are, as well. With just two on my development team! :D

I think I'm having more fun, too.

Damn...where's my wife right now? Why am I at work?

[Gorvi]

I don't know about anyone else but as long as good games come out for the PS3, I don't give a frogs ass about bad PR, empty promises, hypocrisies, multiple SKU's, etc. Give me something to play on it and go eat your babies. I don't care.
Come on, you should no better, this isn't about the games. It's about bashing corporations. :rolleyes:

[Johan]

Come on, you should no better, this isn't about the games. It's about bashing corporations. :rolleyes:

Can't we just bash them all? There's plenty of red meat available for all, I say!

[TheFlyingOrc]

Come on, you should no better, this isn't about the games. It's about bashing corporations. :rolleyes:
No your gay.

Also, you haven't addressed my criticism. :)

[Gorvi]

No your gay.

Also, you haven't addressed my criticism. :)
No, U R MR GAY. ;)

Anyway, I figured that was a rhetorical question, as the answer was pretty obvious.

[atariv8]

Ps2 doesn't work on HD?

It does, but it looks like shit, even in "progressive" mode. The 360 scales things real good and I was hoping that the PS3 would try to do the same with my old PS2 games someday.

[oldjadedgamer]

I don't know about anyone else but as long as good games come out for the PS3, I don't give a frogs ass about bad PR, empty promises, hypocrisies, multiple SKU's, etc. Give me something to play on it and go eat your babies. I don't care.

Some people buy the system with the promise of the "potential" as Sony has put it. So when that promise of potential turns into an empty promise then everyone has a right to complain.

[Shin-Mech-Brian]

"Just buy a PS2 with your PS3."

what an an arrogant asshole.

[violentp]

Some people buy the system with the promise of the "potential" as Sony has put it. So when that promise of potential turns into an empty promise then everyone has a right to complain.

The person who buys something because of promises of greatness deserves worse than monetary loss.

[Darkmatter]

While I'm sure many large companies think like this, I'm betting most understand that they want to do their very best to avoid revealing it to their customers. ;)

I don't understand why they're discontinuing the software BC. They've already invested the money to make it work with X number of games. What do they gain by not including it with their PS3s? Unless I'm missing something theres no added cost at this point.

[TheFlyingOrc]

While I'm sure many large companies think like this, I'm betting most understand that they want to do their very best to avoid revealing it to their customers. ;)

I don't understand why they're discontinuing the software BC. They've already invested the money to make it work with X number of games. What do they gain by not including it with their PS3s? Unless I'm missing something theres no added cost at this point.
There's a single chip inside of the PS3s that use software. ALMOST everything is gone, but not everything.

[Kamalot]

There's a single chip inside of the PS3s that use software. ALMOST everything is gone, but not everything.

I see what Darkmatter is saying. Sony went through a lot of trouble and effort to get pseudo-software emulation working for the Emotion-less PS3 models. Then they turn around and throw that time/effort away by pulling out ALL backwards compatibility, and they aren't saving much money by doing so.

The more one thinks about the loss of backwards compatibility, the more completely baffling it becomes.

[Trazzlo the Magnificant]

I see what Darkmatter is saying. Sony went through a lot of trouble and effort to get pseudo-software emulation working for the Emotion-less PS3 models. Then they turn around and throw that time/effort away by pulling out ALL backwards compatibility, and they aren't saving much money by doing so.

The more one thinks about the loss of backwards compatibility, the more completely baffling it becomes.
Yeah, it's too weird for words.

Not only is the 360 as compatible with the PS2 library as the new PS3 SKU is, but two of the three 360 models are less expensive as well.

The Wii is as compatible with the PS2 library as the new PS3 SKU is, but every Wii model is less expensive than every PS3.

You can buy a Wii+PS2 or a 360Arcade+PS2 for less money than the new PS3 $400 model (or pretty close to the same price).

You can buy a Wii+360Arcade for less money than a PS2+PS3. Now, total up all of the new games coming out that would work on Wii+360, compared to new games being produced for PS2+PS3. Plus, you can add a $99 PS2 down the road (if you don't already have one) to your Wii+360 console collection, to get a massive set of games (both new and old, expensive and bargain bin).

I see the least bang for the buck on the PS2+PS3 purchase structure, and certainly not $530 worth.

[laggerific]

Actually, the only spin I see is what the media is putting on his comments.

The ORIGINAL response to the interviewer's question was:


Once again, the issue everyone tends to fucking over look is that IF YOU HAVE A PS2 LIBRARY, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A PS2 OR BOUGHT A PS3 ALREADY. Nobody is fucking anybody. Chances are that if you don't own a PS2 by now you probably won't be playing any PS2 titles anytime soon.

NOT TO MENTION THE 80 GIG IS $500.

Edit: By the way, let's try to avoid sources that cite sources that cite sources in the future. It's like an internet version of telephone. True source: Here (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/10/18/sony-announces-new-40-gig-ps3-for-399-insists-ps3-remains-relevant.aspx)

Either way it costs customers money...either needing to add a component or svideo switcher, or upgrading the receiver to one with more inputs...I consider input real estate very valuable in this day and age of all these awesome addons.

[vivafletcher]

I laugh at Sony as much as the next person, but I don't see the big deal. What he should have pointed out is that most PS3 buyers already have a fully-functioning PS2 and don't have to spend a penny. Is plugging it in once in a blue moon when you want to play an older game really such a big deal? I've played PS1 games on my PS2...but not so often that setting it up would be a hassle.

There are plenty of reasons to shake your head at Sony; this is a relatively minor one. Their back-and-forth about rumble is more substantial imo. Not even just for the actual utility of it...but the way they've handled it.

[Hydroeric]

I recently purchased a replacement Slim PS2 to replace the one that suddenly crapped out. It had lasted since they first came out what 6 years ago? (whatever).

Pretty sure my 129+tax was the best Sony investment I could make and will make for some time.

I am only going to play into the 50% of JD's recommendation.

[Leper DCE]

PS3 is a waste of time, in all its various forms.

[Stormwatcher]

Lol Lol Sony.

[Major Dan]

Yeah, it's too weird for words.

Not only is the 360 as compatible with the PS2 library as the new PS3 SKU is, but two of the three 360 models are less expensive as well.

The Wii is as compatible with the PS2 library as the new PS3 SKU is, but every Wii model is less expensive than every PS3.

You can buy a Wii+PS2 or a 360Arcade+PS2 for less money than the new PS3 $400 model (or pretty close to the same price).

You can buy a Wii+360Arcade for less money than a PS2+PS3. Now, total up all of the new games coming out that would work on Wii+360, compared to new games being produced for PS2+PS3. Plus, you can add a $99 PS2 down the road (if you don't already have one) to your Wii+360 console collection, to get a massive set of games (both new and old, expensive and bargain bin).

I see the least bang for the buck on the PS2+PS3 purchase structure, and certainly not $530 worth.

Bravo sir, BRAVO, that was a magnificant recap!

[Xerxes]

He did wrap that up rather well.