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Kamalot
10-13-2007, 09:50 AM
Are you an early adopter of the Xbox 360, yet want to hook it up to your screen's HDMI port? Fret no longer. As previously reported (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31921&highlight=HDMI) an HDMI solution will soon be available for your original Xbox 360 allowing you to output an HDMI signal. XCMLive (http://www.xcmlive.com/cgi-bin/xcmlive/engine.pl?function=home), makers of a variety of console modifications, have new videos (1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvv873bRe0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emaxconsole%2Enet%2F%3Fmode %3Dnews%26newsid%3D21771)|2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CiSYdpNjmI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emaxconsole%2Enet%2F%3Fmode %3Dnews%26newsid%3D21771)) showing off their upcoming product that allows older Xbox 360 units to output an HDMI signal.
This product will be available from retailers as of next week.
Cool and all, but personally I don't see a difference between HDMI and VGA. It certainly does not make my games any more fun.
Source: MaxConsole (http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=21771)
Philonious
10-13-2007, 09:58 AM
Can this even be HDCP compliant? Otherwise there isn't much point is there? Sure you can hook up via HDMI, but without any of the benefits (upscaling or 1080p HD movies).
Adam Blue
10-13-2007, 10:14 AM
Cool and all, but personally I don't see a difference between HDMI and VGA. It certainly does not make my games any more fun.[/url]
I certainly do. I even think component looks better than VGA. The HDMI is honestly so amazing...I wasn't originally going to go that route until I saw it for myself...and CRT's do it so much justice. I'm still not totally convinced with non-tube HDTV's. I now have my PS3, DVR, and 360 through HDMI.
Buster Brownstar
10-13-2007, 10:24 AM
There's something to be said for the convenience of having audio and video going out in one cable.
You're saying a fixed-pixel display shows *less* of an improvement than a CRT? Odd...
Rafer
10-13-2007, 10:29 AM
Cool and all, but personally I don't see a difference between HDMI and VGA. It certainly does not make my games any more fun.
HDMI is basically just DVI + audio in one cable, so the main advantage from a consumer perspective is just less cables.
Here's a good slashdot thread on the subject... What's the Matter with HDMI? (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/18/2147207) It goes into the nightmare of DRM with HDMI and also some advantages with timing and syncing the video and audio when you have a single cable.
EternalGamer
10-13-2007, 10:33 AM
You're saying a fixed-pixel display shows *less* of an improvement than a CRT? Odd...
That seemed to be the general consensus over at the avsforums when I was researching TVs. It was, subsequently, one of the reasons I went with a Sony XBR960 CRT TV over a LCD or Plasma. Also didn't hurt that along with the better black levels, I also got a CRT for around half the price of the LCDs with comparative features.
Still haven't hooked up any of my gaming systems through the HDMI to check it out myself, though. Component looks plenty good enough.
Sazime
10-13-2007, 10:43 AM
HDCP compliance is all I would be looking for in this cable, if I had an HD-DVD player for my 360. But, I do not. So, it's not too important, yet.
Adam Blue
10-13-2007, 10:57 AM
You're saying a fixed-pixel display shows *less* of an improvement than a CRT? Odd...
Yeah. They still have better picture quality. It's the size between the two that are the issue. It's hard to get a CRT above 40", and when you do, it's 300lbs. Also, the 30"+ CRT's are still heavy as fuck, so people prefer an LCD/Plasma/DLP for the convenience.
I did the same as Dan. I researched and looked for myself before buying an HDTV. The CRT's were where it's at for my videophile needs.
Yeah. They still have better picture quality. It's the size between the two that are the issue. It's hard to get a CRT above 40", and when you do, it's 300lbs. Also, the 30"+ CRT's are still heavy as fuck, so people prefer an LCD/Plasma/DLP for the convenience.
I did the same as Dan. I researched and looked for myself before buying an HDTV. The CRT's were where it's at for my videophile needs.
He's right.
The closest thing you'll get to CRT level picture quality is a Sony set using their new SXRD technology, which I have.
Slack3r78
10-13-2007, 11:51 AM
So are we taking bets that this is nothing more than an analog-digital signal converter?
laggerific
10-13-2007, 11:57 AM
That seemed to be the general consensus over at the avsforums when I was researching TVs. It was, subsequently, one of the reasons I went with a Sony XBR960 CRT TV over a LCD or Plasma. Also didn't hurt that along with the better black levels, I also got a CRT for around half the price of the LCDs with comparative features.
Still haven't hooked up any of my gaming systems through the HDMI to check it out myself, though. Component looks plenty good enough.
It's true that none of the techs have really come close to offering a better picture than CRT, although CRT has some huge disadvantages, their weight being the biggest one. I have a 36" CRT HDTV that is literally 300-400 pounds and hard to move. I have a 60" DLP that is under 100 pounds. Virtual Console games look so much sharper natively on the CRT than the DLP...but when I can put classic games through a pixel doubling filter, the DLP manages to come very close to perfection. In a few years, I suspect non-CRT images will finally be able to take down CRT on even the low end models, but we'll see...
Schnoogs
10-13-2007, 12:17 PM
It certainly does not make my games any more fun.
Talk about a groan inducing comment...this is becoming the knee jerk response to anything technical these days....Halo only 640p? It doesnt make the game less fun! :rolleyes:
I have an HDMI switcher...I don't have one for component...this would allow me to use my switcher instead of having to unplug one set of comonent cables for another.
More and more receivers are going to have HDMI switchers but hardly any have VGA switchers.
HDMI > VGA for a LOT of reasons.
Tyrant
10-13-2007, 12:24 PM
So are we taking bets that this is nothing more than an analog-digital signal converter?
It's practically a given, considering non-HDMI equipped models can't output anything but an analog signal and well, the accessory is freakin' huge. I'm curious as to the price though, since I haven't seen any analog to digital convertors that cost less than $200. If the device is relatively cheap, it might be worth modifying it to accept component inputs for use with other devices.
Schnoogs
10-13-2007, 12:27 PM
So are we taking bets that this is nothing more than an analog-digital signal converter?
What else could it be seeing as the original 360's only output analog.
Slack3r78
10-13-2007, 12:53 PM
What else could it be seeing as the original 360's only output analog.
Shhhhh. I was hoping for some sucker bets. ;)
Bralgar
10-13-2007, 01:23 PM
There's something to be said for the convenience of having audio and video going out in one cable.
Coax?
:p
Yeah. They still have better picture quality. It's the size between the two that are the issue. It's hard to get a CRT above 40", and when you do, it's 300lbs. Also, the 30"+ CRT's are still heavy as fuck, so people prefer an LCD/Plasma/DLP for the convenience.
I did the same as Dan. I researched and looked for myself before buying an HDTV. The CRT's were where it's at for my videophile needs.
No, my point wasn't overall picture quality but that a fixed-pixel display would benefit more from an HDMI connection than a CRT solely because the pixels can then be mapped 1:1 on a display that really requires 1:1 mapping to look its best (whereas you can't get this on a component connection.) Since you won't get 1:1 mapping on a CRT (due to the nature of how a CRT generates its image) the difference between component and HDMI on a fixed pixel display would be greater than that between component and HDMI on a CRT (I also think VGA looks better on a CRT than component, fwiw.)
As far as PQ between the two go, I think I'd take perfect convergence over deeper blacks (minus a few hundered pounds--I don't miss my old 32" Sony CRT at all in this regard), but that's neither here nor there with my original post.
Uniqueusername
10-13-2007, 03:51 PM
Hmm. If I recall correctly, the 360 upscales DVDs when using a VGA connection. If this device emulates a VGA cable (from the 360's perspective), then you may well get upscaled/HD movies over HDMI.
Or you could just use the VGA port, like any sane person would. It's not as if having sound/video on one cable is an advantage when it means you have to use the crappy TV speakers instead of a seperate, good quality, 5.1 sound system. :p
NationalKato
10-13-2007, 03:55 PM
I plugged in the HDMI cable that came with my 360 Elite, after selling my original 360 to my brother, and all the highlights streaked horizontally on my HD television. It was a strange effect that remedied when I switched back to the standard cables. I haven't noticed a difference in picture quality, so I'm staying away from HDMI.
Isamura
10-13-2007, 04:21 PM
That device takes up much more space than the existing VGA cables. My new Toshiba has 3 HDMI slots and only 2 sets of VGA inputs, so I can see how this product might sell with more and more newer TV's favoring HDMI. If it were a true digital to digital signal and allowed for 1080p, I might consider paying no more than $50. But it's not, so I won't.
rcypher101
10-13-2007, 04:24 PM
I'd rather have a proper DVI solution.
Adam Blue
10-13-2007, 05:01 PM
Hmm. If I recall correctly, the 360 upscales DVDs when using a VGA connection. If this device emulates a VGA cable (from the 360's perspective), then you may well get upscaled/HD movies over HDMI.
Or you could just use the VGA port, like any sane person would. It's not as if having sound/video on one cable is an advantage when it means you have to use the crappy TV speakers instead of a seperate, good quality, 5.1 sound system. :p
Most people that use HDMI don't use it for the audio. The benefit we're getting is one cable outputting an awesome digital picture.
I'm also using optical, only because there aren't any reasonably priced receivers with more than two HDMI ports yet. I'm having to use an HDMI switcher.
Also, like I said, VGA doesn't look as good as HDMI.
EDIT: And may I add, the DVD upscaling is trash. I get a much better picture upscaling through my PS3.
Benaiah
10-13-2007, 06:55 PM
Its also happy days for those who bought a large LCD monitor which only has DVI inputs. Would be nice to get the xbox running on the dell 30".
Tempest261
10-13-2007, 07:08 PM
There's something to be said for the convenience of having audio and video going out in one cable.
Except it doesn't make sense at all. Who the hell bought a high-def and is playing audio out of the attached speaker(s)?
Give me a break. If you're worried about HDMI and you haven't spent the couple hundred on a good HTIB, you're crazy.
Thin_J
10-13-2007, 07:11 PM
That you just said "couple hundred" and "good HTIB" in reference to one another makes you the crazy one :P
Tempest261
10-13-2007, 07:16 PM
Ok, just watched the video, and this is a crock. Everyone has to remember that the reason why Microsoft had to add on a completely new port is that the old one does not have any digital pins. Therefore, this is doing an analog to digital conversion- big difference from the true 360 HDMI port.
What you're getting here is the following:
360 -> Digital -> Analog (through the standard port, as it has no digital pins) -> Digital (converted to HDMI by this device) -> TV
It is impossible for the image quality to be any better, aside from the possibility that you're doing an extremely long analog cable run.
Truthfully, there's only a chance of your quality being WORSE. Every time there is a ADC or DAC conversion, you lose something. Not only that, but these conversions also introduce latency. No idea how much latency this device creates, but there's got to be some.
My advice (as an electrical engineer): stay away.
Tempest261
10-13-2007, 07:19 PM
That you just said "couple hundred" and "good HTIB" in reference to one another makes you the crazy one :P
Man have you been in circuit city lately? I got an AMAZING 7.1 Onkyo setup for $400-something 3 months ago. Wood enclosures on the speakers, insane sub, etc. etc. For a couple hundred you could get something decent that's 5.1- no doubt about it. Bottom line: do it right, or don't do it at all. HDTV with 2 channel audio is a joke. At least buy a logitech 5.1 setup.
HDMI is simply vastly superior to all other video and audio hookups. Can you tell the difference? Yes, even an idiot could. Is this difference major? Yes. Is HDMI the best hookup? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes.
Anyone arguing otherwise simply has experienced using it yet.
92miata
10-13-2007, 09:53 PM
HDMI is simply vastly superior to all other video and audio hookups. Can you tell the difference? Yes, even an idiot could. Is this difference major? Yes. Is HDMI the best hookup? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes.
Anyone arguing otherwise simply has experienced using it yet.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH. i replaced my premium with an elite because i demand nothing but hdmi from now on. as a matter of fact, why do tv's have so many un-hd sources and only a few hd sources.....:)
TrackZero
10-13-2007, 11:15 PM
Ok, since there was only one news story today, and it's dead quiet...NOW can we talk about Gabe Newell bashing the PS3? ;)
TrackZero
10-13-2007, 11:17 PM
HDMI is simply vastly superior to all other video and audio hookups. Can you tell the difference? Yes, even an idiot could. Is this difference major? Yes. Is HDMI the best hookup? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes.
Anyone arguing otherwise simply has experienced using it yet.
Tell that to Robert @ DL.TV. His repeated testing found that only on a 60" or higher from 10ft away can you notice the difference between component and HDMI. Since I'm only running 42" from 7ft, I think I'm fine like I am (and every pixel is filled on the screen when I get close, so I don't see what else would be done, except minor colour correction, which I always fuck over myself by jacking my screen brightness so my blacks are nearly grey anyways). But to each their own.
TrackZero
10-13-2007, 11:18 PM
Man have you been in circuit city lately? I got an AMAZING 7.1 Onkyo setup for $400-something 3 months ago. Wood enclosures on the speakers, insane sub, etc. etc. For a couple hundred you could get something decent that's 5.1- no doubt about it. Bottom line: do it right, or don't do it at all. HDTV with 2 channel audio is a joke. At least buy a logitech 5.1 setup.
Ugh, home theatre peeps must hate me then. I just run on the TVs "stereo" speakers, I've got zero audio setup and it's fine by me (all my friends have 5.1, and it's nice, but since I find I'm half-deaf anyways, the only thing I miss is the sub).
Edit: Well fuck me sideways with a chainsaw. That was my 10,000th post. Goddamn, I've spent too much time posting.....
Adam Blue
10-13-2007, 11:36 PM
Tell that to Robert @ DL.TV. His repeated testing found that only on a 60" or higher from 10ft away can you notice the difference between component and HDMI. Since I'm only running 42" from 7ft, I think I'm fine like I am (and every pixel is filled on the screen when I get close, so I don't see what else would be done, except minor colour correction, which I always fuck over myself by jacking my screen brightness so my blacks are nearly grey anyways). But to each their own.
Unless it's just another benefit of a CRT, I see a huge difference with my 32". So huge I bought a switcher for my other HDMI devices so I can experience it with each one.
TrackZero
10-13-2007, 11:40 PM
Unless it's just another benefit of a CRT, I see a huge difference with my 32". So huge I bought a switcher for my other HDMI devices so I can experience it with each one.
My 42" is a Sony 3LCD rear projection, just to give you context.
Tell that to Robert @ DL.TV. His repeated testing found that only on a 60" or higher from 10ft away can you notice the difference between component and HDMI. Since I'm only running 42" from 7ft, I think I'm fine like I am (and every pixel is filled on the screen when I get close, so I don't see what else would be done, except minor colour correction, which I always fuck over myself by jacking my screen brightness so my blacks are nearly grey anyways). But to each their own.
Tell Robert to shut up, get a life, and stop being such a nob.
Honestly though, the depth of color and razor sharp image is noticeable right away. Component always carries a bit of grain and fuzz distortion, no matter how good the signal is, simply because it's an analog hookup.
All of this is completely eliminated with HDMI. Simply put, a pure digital hookup is where everything's going, and HDMI even allows you to see details not readily apparent with component. I have no need to bullshit anyone here.
Now if I could only get Charter Communications to hurry up and give me an HD box with HDMI. God, I have never hated a cable company more than those mother fuckers.
GamespaceNL
10-14-2007, 12:03 AM
My Sony HDTV has only 1 component input (and 2 HDMI) and my Wii and current Xbox 360 have real big fights which one can use it, so hooray for HDMI it will save a lot of time (and irritation). No more getting behind the tv and switching cable. Hope this will come to the EU soon.
Slack3r78
10-14-2007, 12:18 AM
Tell Robert to shut up, get a life, and stop being such a nob.
Honestly though, the depth of color and razor sharp image is noticeable right away. Component always carries a bit of grain and fuzz distortion, no matter how good the signal is, simply because it's an analog hookup.
All of this is completely eliminated with HDMI. Simply put, a pure digital hookup is where everything's going, and HDMI even allows you to see details not readily apparent with component. I have no need to bullshit anyone here.
it is decided
Heretic Machine
10-14-2007, 03:59 AM
That seemed to be the general consensus over at the avsforums when I was researching TVs. It was, subsequently, one of the reasons I went with a Sony XBR960 CRT TV over a LCD or Plasma. Also didn't hurt that along with the better black levels, I also got a CRT for around half the price of the LCDs with comparative features.
Still haven't hooked up any of my gaming systems through the HDMI to check it out myself, though. Component looks plenty good enough.
Preach it, brotha'. I too am a member of the exclusive, "CRT HDTV owner" club. Mine is probably a bit older than yours though, it is from the Panasonic Tau series, and has since been discontinued.
Tempest261
10-14-2007, 04:23 AM
Tell Robert to shut up, get a life, and stop being such a nob.
Honestly though, the depth of color and razor sharp image is noticeable right away. Component always carries a bit of grain and fuzz distortion, no matter how good the signal is, simply because it's an analog hookup.
All of this is completely eliminated with HDMI. Simply put, a pure digital hookup is where everything's going, and HDMI even allows you to see details not readily apparent with component. I have no need to bullshit anyone here.
Now if I could only get Charter Communications to hurry up and give me an HD box with HDMI. God, I have never hated a cable company more than those mother fuckers.
I don't think you guys get it. With this device you are NOT running HDMI from the 360. It is still component, converted to digital. You will NOT see any increase in visual quality from this. Only expect to have an image quality on par with your component signal. The only case where I can see that this would be of benefit is if you are out of component ports, but you'd be better off taking the money from this device and throwing it towards a HTIB or just a receiver anyway.
And as for the whole component and HDMI debate- it depends on a couple of factors:
1. The distance. Analog signals degrade in quality over distance. You can expect anything less than 10' to have negligible attenuation.
2. The TV itself. Each TV actually handles the formats differently and can favor HDMI or analog. This is why a lot of TV owners swear that component is superior: because it is superior for their TV.
3. The SOURCE (our old-school 360s). This is where this device is worthless. Your source is STILL ANALOG. Get that through your head. Microsoft did not include any digital pins on that I/O port. Believe me, people have tried. This is a terrible analogy, but this is the same thing as if you had an apple, but would rather have an orange, so someone took an orange peel and wrapped it around an apple and called it an orange. In other words, you're getting an digital signal that used to actually be an analog signal. Our brothers with Elites or the new 360s have a straight digital connection all the way up to the TV set. They have true HDMI. It is impossible for us to achieve this- don't waste your dollars on this product.
I don't think you guys get it. With this device you are NOT running HDMI from the 360. It is still component, converted to digital. You will NOT see any increase in visual quality from this. Only expect to have an image quality on par with your component signal. The only case where I can see that this would be of benefit is if you are out of component ports, but you'd be better off taking the money from this device and throwing it towards a HTIB or just a receiver anyway.
And as for the whole component and HDMI debate- it depends on a couple of factors:
1. The distance. Analog signals degrade in quality over distance. You can expect anything less than 10' to have negligible attenuation.
2. The TV itself. Each TV actually handles the formats differently and can favor HDMI or analog. This is why a lot of TV owners swear that component is superior: because it is superior for their TV.
3. The SOURCE (our old-school 360s). This is where this device is worthless. Your source is STILL ANALOG. Get that through your head. Microsoft did not include any digital pins on that I/O port. Believe me, people have tried. This is a terrible analogy, but this is the same thing as if you had an apple, but would rather have an orange, so someone took an orange peel and wrapped it around an apple and called it an orange. In other words, you're getting an digital signal that used to actually be an analog signal. Our brothers with Elites or the new 360s have a straight digital connection all the way up to the TV set. They have true HDMI. It is impossible for us to achieve this- don't waste your dollars on this product.
I don't think you get it. I wasn't discussing the device at hand, I was discussing HDMI vs component in general. As for the little gadget that converts an analog signal to digital? Idiotic. I wouldn't never touch something so stupid. It's not even true HDMI.
Learn to read people's fucking posts.
Kelegacy
10-14-2007, 05:13 AM
I recently upgraded to VGA from component and a few days later returned my VGA cable to buy The Orange Box. I noticed not one difference on my LCD. Component looks great, VGA, too.
I'd like to try out HDMI, and I'm an old 360 owner. I'd pick up this cable if it was a decent price.
Cool and all, but personally I don't see a difference between HDMI and VGA. It certainly does not make my games any more fun.
I'm sorry, but better graphics and clarity DO make my games more fun by enhancing my enjoyment.
Tempest261
10-14-2007, 06:47 AM
I don't think you get it. I wasn't discussing the device at hand, I was discussing HDMI vs component in general. As for the little gadget that converts an analog signal to digital? Idiotic. I wouldn't never touch something so stupid. It's not even true HDMI.
Learn to read people's fucking posts.
Read 1. and 2. in my post. Those were directed at you. The rest of it was for everyone else.
And FYI, Robert Heron knows his shit. When you get your Electrical Engineering / DSP degree, come back and talk to us about HDTV signals.
Sazime
10-14-2007, 07:09 AM
Read 1. and 2. in my post. Those were directed at you. The rest of it was for everyone else.
And FYI, Robert Heron knows his shit. When you get your Electrical Engineering / DSP degree, come back and talk to us about HDTV signals.
Robert Heron = giant pain in the ass.
Okay, so I don't know from personal experience, but I'll say it anyway. Hell, Rose, Norton and Heron can all suck it.
See what I did there?
TrackZero
10-14-2007, 07:15 AM
Tell Robert to shut up, get a life, and stop being such a nob.
Honestly though, the depth of color and razor sharp image is noticeable right away. Component always carries a bit of grain and fuzz distortion, no matter how good the signal is, simply because it's an analog hookup.
All of this is completely eliminated with HDMI. Simply put, a pure digital hookup is where everything's going, and HDMI even allows you to see details not readily apparent with component. I have no need to bullshit anyone here.
Now if I could only get Charter Communications to hurry up and give me an HD box with HDMI. God, I have never hated a cable company more than those mother fuckers.
I'll take your word for it man. But I'm in no rush right now, my 360 looks "good enough" for me at this point. ;)
Schnoogs
10-14-2007, 08:08 AM
Its hilarious when the people in this thread who think they "know" something about HDMI state that they aren't going to switch because their 360 already looks good enough.
I guess if you guys really "knew" something you'd know that output quality isn't the only factor.
As I stated before more and more equipment is being geared towards HDMI and more importantly HDMI switching. Getting an HDMI cable would make my setup even better. Its not an issue of quality its an issue of usability and convenience. Using component isn't the ideal solution for me...if the price is right this HDMI cable might fix that problem.
Ben Heck says the non-HDMI port 360 can't do HDMI. The non-HDMI port 360 can't do true digital. This is not true HDMI.
This has already been said, but worth mentioning again that this product is crap
Sazime
10-14-2007, 09:03 AM
Ben Heck says the non-HDMI port 360 can't do HDMI. The non-HDMI port 360 can't do true digital. This is not true HDMI.
This has already been said, but worth mentioning again that this product is crap
HDMI switch, single cable for audio and video. Who cares whether or not it's digital? At this point, I can't say I do. I have way too much crap behind my TV to care.
oldjadedgamer
10-14-2007, 11:05 AM
I recently upgraded to VGA from component and a few days later returned my VGA cable to buy The Orange Box. I noticed not one difference on my LCD. Component looks great, VGA, too.
I noticed a huge difference between VGA and Component on my 360 and that is DVD's upscaled to 1080p. Component stops at 480p.
Slack3r78
10-14-2007, 11:09 AM
Its hilarious when the people in this thread who think they "know" something about HDMI state that they aren't going to switch because their 360 already looks good enough.
I guess if you guys really "knew" something you'd know that output quality isn't the only factor.
As I stated before more and more equipment is being geared towards HDMI and more importantly HDMI switching. Getting an HDMI cable would make my setup even better. Its not an issue of quality its an issue of usability and convenience. Using component isn't the ideal solution for me...if the price is right this HDMI cable might fix that problem.
Aren't you the one with the 30" Dell display that only has digital inputs?
tenchiker
10-14-2007, 11:26 AM
The problem is so many of you are looking at this from a videophile/audiophile perspective. You're probably 1% of the market. The rest of them don't give a shit and they won't give a shit about this cable either. They're busy using their RF adapters.
Kelegacy
10-14-2007, 12:03 PM
I noticed a huge difference between VGA and Component on my 360 and that is DVD's upscaled to 1080p. Component stops at 480p.
I was hoping for the same thing with my television, but nope. My television already allows 1080p through component, and the VGA cable didn't upscale DVDs better than I already get. I was looking for an excuse to keep the VGA, did tons of "eyeball" testing, but if the VGA was better I couldn't sense it. The component overscan isn't a problem for me because I can run my television in Just Scan which eliminates that problem. And my television's scaler must be pretty darn good, or better than the 360's, because DVDs looked the exact same.
With this "HDMI" cable, I fear I'll get the same sort of comparison. If it's affordable, I might bite anyway if I saw it at Circuit City (so I could return it later should it offer no better picture).
The jump from VGA to component is easily noticeable, but the jump from component to HDMI is fairly more subtle. What you'll probably notice at first is that the darks appear to be a little darker and the slight grain carried over component is now gone. The image will also appear slightly sharper in general.
And FYI, Robert Heron knows his shit. When you get your Electrical Engineering / DSP degree, come back and talk to us about HDTV signals.
lmao or I could just hop over to the AVS forums like everyone else and ignore your comments.
http://www.avsforum.com/
There ya go, guys.
Tempest261
10-14-2007, 04:08 PM
lmao or I could just hop over to the AVS forums like everyone else and ignore your comments.
http://www.avsforum.com/
There ya go, guys.
I rest my case. Don't get me started on the accuracy (or lack there of) of avsforum. Too many people in there who bought a Vizio last weekend and have somehow have become A/V experts overnight.
I rest my case. Don't get me started on the accuracy (or lack there of) of avsforum. Too many people in there who bought a Vizio last weekend and have somehow have become A/V experts overnight.
Hell yeah, bro. I would much rather take the infallible advice of "Tempest261", on a forum unrelated to electronics, rather than AVS. You know, a forum established by and for audio/videophiles, running strong since 1995, and has been user reviewed as the most reliable, go-to site for all audio/video inquiries.
I won't buy another video cable until you approve.
Tempest261
10-14-2007, 05:35 PM
Hell yeah, bro. I would much rather take the infallible advice of "Tempest261", on a forum unrelated to electronics, rather than AVS. You know, a forum established by and for audio/videophiles, running strong since 1995, and has been user reviewed as the most reliable, go-to site for all audio/video inquiries.
I won't buy another video cable until you approve.
Well I DO have a degree in this stuff. And while I won't claim to be the ultimate authority, I do see A TON of BS in the AVS forums. Sure, there are some decent knowledgeable folks on there, but you have to wade through the BS, which kind of makes it useless. But hey man, it's your money.
Dukefrukem
10-15-2007, 04:24 AM
less cables = less hassle... font forget HDMI is audio and video rolled into 1
Kelegacy
10-15-2007, 04:31 AM
less cables = less hassle... font forget HDMI is audio and video rolled into 1
Yes, but is it worth the cost of another cable to get the same picture as your component cables? This sounds comparable to tossing money out the window.
Dukefrukem
10-15-2007, 04:33 AM
Yes, but is it worth the cost of another cable to get the same picture as your component cables? This sounds comparable to tossing money out the window.
If you got a nice flat clean setup like me. yes. if you got spaghetti coming out of the back and front of your tv, no.
AspectVoid
10-15-2007, 05:35 AM
This solution is good for someone like me. The Component ports on my TV are shot. They randomly drop the signal for 10, 15 minutes at a time. My HDMI port works just fine though. As long as this cable is a lot cheaper then a new x360 or a new TV, it would work out just fine for me.
I hear this thing was supposed to be near the price of the XPS360. Hope it's cheaper than that.
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