HD DVD goes 1TB?

[Vandenh]

Looks like the HD DVD group is already looking for a next-gen format. The aim is 1TB disks. El Reg (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/19/toshiba_optware_investment/) has more info.
It's that compatibility which attracted Toshiba's interest, according to the company's HD DVD Promotion Division chief, Hiroharu Satoh, in a statement.

"HVD has a glittering promise to be a future optical recording media which promises our customers smooth migration from HD DVD," he added.

[TrackZero]

Yay, more info for the new standards whores to bitch over!

[Vandenh]

Maybe consumers should just skip HDDVD/BluRay and wait for better bigger things to come in a few years.

[Paranoia]

Yeah, the whole HDDVD/Bluray is a mess. I can wait for HVD.

[Reanimated]

I told you guys that Blu Ray and HDDVD were Laser Disc holdover formats. HVD is the REAL future home entertainment media.

[Morratut]

HVD!!! HVD!!! HVD!!!

1TB should be enough....shouldn't it?

[Heretic Machine]

Maybe consumers should just skip HDDVD/BluRay and wait for better bigger things to come in a few years.

Most consumers won't ever even SEE a Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

EDIT: I should probably of said Blu-ray or HD-DVD movie. Of course there will be games on Blu-ray, and I'm sure both will have burners... Just don't look for set-top video players for these formats taking off.

[Goronmon]

I told you guys that Blu Ray and HDDVD were Laser Disc holdover formats. HVD is the REAL future home entertainment media.
I don't know if I would go sar as to say that yet, but just the fact that there is mainstream (kinda) knowledge as to the format to replace to formats that aren't even available yet does seem to show that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD won't be around for too long.

[Goronmon]

HVD!!! HVD!!! HVD!!!

1TB should be enough....shouldn't it?
You would think, but someone will find a reason to start looking for a new format within a couple of years ;)

[Kefkataran]

I just remember my dad saying "512 megs should be enough... shouldn't it?" back when we first got a computer.

[Justin_McElroy]

1TB?! Won't it be hysterical when each disc is still about 4'' across, but weighs 720 pounds? It'll be like dark matter.

[superherotaco]

I thought they were just going to go with crystals. Save data as harmonic energy... or something. Most Sci-Fi shows have them. Though I’m sure that there will just be arguments on whether Quartz or Diamond will be the new standard. One will have the cost factor, but the other simply won't store as much data.

[Roc Ingersol]

Wake me when a next gen format is rewritable out of the gate.

[TrackZero]

I just remember my dad saying "512 megs should be enough... shouldn't it?" back when we first got a computer.

I remember having a 540MB drive and not being able to fill the thing up. Hell, I remember having a 10MB drive ("holy shit, you mean the disk is IN the computer?") and only being able to install enough things to fill up 2MB of it.

Things only really escalated when Windows95 came out, the PC games and MP3s started filling up any free space.

Now we won't be happy until every single piece of media we ever plan to read/listen to/watch/play can be stored on a single drive, which fits in our pocket. I say that'll happen between 2030-2040, but who knows.....

[Oblivion]

more pr0n...

[Kefkataran]

Now we won't be happy until every single piece of media we ever plan to read/listen to/watch/play can be stored on a single drive, which fits in our pocket. I say that'll happen between 2030-2040, but who knows.....

I'm holding you to that prediction, mister.

[IndependentGMR]

Yeah, baby!

[Goronmon]

Now we won't be happy until every single piece of media we ever plan to read/listen to/watch/play can be stored on a single drive, which fits in our pocket. I say that'll happen between 2030-2040, but who knows.....
2030-2040?

Thats being a bit unoptimistic. I give it 3-5 years at most.

I mean look at this. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820180729)

A portable USB device that holds 4 Gigs worth of data you can buy today.

iPods can be used for file storage, and you can get up to 60GB with ones of those right now.

Edit: I mean it wasn't long ago that a 128MB mp3 player was considered huge.

[Kefkataran]

Yeah, but TrackZero's saying EVERY piece of media we EVER plan to read/watch/play/whatever. We'd need much higher than even a single TB to hold that, I think, especially since games are only growing in size and will continue to.

[TrackZero]

2030-2040?

Thats being a bit unoptimistic. I give it 3-5 years at most.

I mean look at this. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820180729)

A portable USB device that holds 4 Gigs worth of data you can buy today.

iPods can be used for file storage, and you can get up to 60GB with ones of those right now.

Edit: I mean it wasn't long ago that a 128MB mp3 player was considered huge.

I've already done the math, to store every single movie, piece of music, book, etc that I currently even own (which isn't even everything I'd want) goes easily into the 50-100 terrabyte range.

Hell, just 200 movies (at 4.7GB per disc) is 9.4 terrabytes man. Do the math. As well, I'd want more than just 200 movies. That's also not counting every TV series I'd want as well, comics, novels, music, etc. Or the additional 25-35 years worth of media that's going to come out between now and the time I do think we'll reach that size/capacity ratio.

Don't forget all those movies are only DVD, not at HDTV resolutions yet. I also said a drive that is portable. So no, I'm guessing my estimates aren't being too harsh. But this will vary from person to person, for me (and many "power" users), I won't be happy until I have this capacity though.

[MosBen]

Yeah, but between movies and music I can fill up 60gigs without breaking a sweat. In order for a drive to contain "every single piece of media [I] ever plan to read/listen to/watch/play" it would have to be many many terabytes. I don't even want to hazzard a guess, but it'd be a lot more than we're going to see in five years.

[Morrolan]

Right now the biggest hurdle for that would be inputs/outputs, not storage capacity. To be truly universal, the thing would have no case. The outside would just be a big mass of wire ports. heh.

[Roc Ingersol]

>> The outside would just be a big mass of wire ports. heh.
Wireless.

Just a wireless widget about the size of an IPOD mini that feeds data to your peripheral devices: phone, pda, movie widget, camera, audio player, console, desktop, etc. Then you can upgrade functionality without worrying about card compatibility or moving content or any of that crap and all the peripheral devices wouldn't have to be shaped based on what fits the storage. Hell, a cell phone wouldn't have to be any bigger than a bluetooth headset.

[Kefkataran]

But this will vary from person to person, for me (and many "power" users), I won't be happy until I have this capacity though.

Holy crap, though, you must lead a sad existence. :P Not calling you pathetic, I just mean you can never be happy at all until this happens? That's makes me feel bad for you.

[mister_slim]

300 gigs is enough right now, but I think I'll need another FW drive soon. I prefer HDs to removable media though. Data accessibility is more important.

[Zeal]

A terabyte per disc is practically infinite space.

[Reanimated]

A terabyte per disc is practically infinite space.





Not for UNCOMPRESSED HD video, which, I would argue, is the TRUE leap in home video over DVD.

[codswallop]

A terabyte per disc is practically infinite space.

Interesting that they chose the name HVD, since China already has a format with that name. It's a proprietry MPEG-2 format which goes up to 1080i.

Check out the glossary at:
http://www.video-demystified.com/mm/glossary.htm

Also, 1TB is hardly 'infinite'. The upcoming (well, maybe in 10-20 years) UHDV format would fit a mighty six minutes of video onto a 1TB disc:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8067

[Twigz'N'Berries]

This is old news.

I've posted the more updated info at least a few weeks ago.

Plus, it is 3.9tbs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

[Zeal]

Also, 1TB is hardly 'infinite'. The upcoming (well, maybe in 10-20 years) UHDV format would fit a mighty six minutes of video onto a 1TB disc:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8067

Can we please step back into reality. This is not Minority Report.

Technology like this is vaporware and won't be made public for a very, very long time. Hardly worth discussion.

[bobbler]

HVD seems quite a bit early to me.

Does anyone need a 300gb disc? Honestly? 1-2 of you that could manage to fill up the disc on here doesn't quite constitute a need for it -- if people thought BR/HD-DVD are coming too soon then HVD needs to be put on the backburner for another 4-5 years.

Trying to fill a 300gb HVD with a normal HDD that most consumers have (around 30MB/s Lets say) would take quite a while (3 hours or so?). Technology usually takes baby steps for a reason (especially in computers and electronics), an HVD will be severly limited by the rest of the comp and the vast majority of people don't need 300GB, let alone 4TB of storage on a disc (yet).

I'd also put money on the fact that Toshiba and Sony (Sony dumped a bunch of money into some other holographic disc company a while back-- InPhase) don't want to just get up and ditch HD-DVD/BR right now. I could see this situation happening though: Whoever "loses" the HD-DVD/BR war will proceed to push heavily on Holographic disc of their choice (would be kind of sneaky, no?).

I have my doubts as to whether they will show up any time soon with any real uses. I won't be buying it just to back up stuff -- I don't have enough stuff to fill an HD-DVD/BR of stuff I want to keep, let alone a holographic disc. While I think it would be nice to have, I just don't see the need for it; it's excessive for current needs of consumers. I'm happy with burning stuff to CDs still and most consumers seem content with DVD burners and will probably be swimming in the space HD-DVD/BR provides. Since there is no content (yet) to push HVD (and other holographic discs) and the space it provides won't give me much benefit over HD-DVD/BR I cannot see a reason to buy it for quite a few years. It wouldn't surprise me to see HVD or something similar becomming the standard in 5 years or so.