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bapenguin
09-12-2007, 05:33 AM
Forget testicle ripping. Forget gruesome deaths. Welcome to the new Manhunt 2 where everything is blurry, and you can only use sewer caps to decapitate foes!The biggest and most disappointing change relates to the major death strikes. When Danny sneaks up on an enemy, gamers can hold the A button down, at which point they will be given the option to pick from three different murder animations (on Wii, they get to act them out with Nintendo's motion-sensitive controllers). In the AO-rated build of Manhunt 2, we could clearly see these over-the-top and horrific animations. In the M-rated version, Rockstar has added both an extreme blur effect and in most cases darkened the graphics so that it is nearly impossible to make any sense of what is going on. Players will be able to see character movement, blood splatters, and sometimes they may catch a glimpse of an identifiable action (for example, Danny jamming nails into the legs of a chair-bound opponent), but mostly it's guesswork - a garbled, motiony mess that's far less satisfying. This truth is doubly unfortunate because both everything else is unchanged and because these death strikes are what gamers will want to work toward; they're the pay off for a job well done, but now the pay off is not nearly as rewarding.

A shame they had to edit it so. It would be nice if they kept the PC version AO, and had the console version toned down.

Thanks to Evil Avnovice in our forums (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35866) for pointing this out.

Johan
09-12-2007, 05:36 AM
Forget testicle ripping.

Never forget. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/11/oklahoma.texas.fight.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)

tooshortyaddayadda.

Lekon
09-12-2007, 05:37 AM
Well, I'd heard (but can't confirm!) that the Netherlands version will be pretty easy to import, and that they'd be selling the AO version through the website. All brick and mortar stores would get the M version. If so, it wouldn't be too bad.

thetinynet
09-12-2007, 05:51 AM
i'm calling bullshit. there is no way Nintendo will allow an AO title on their systems. ever.

The Continental
09-12-2007, 05:52 AM
Is there really any reason to play this game without the ultra violence. Hell, even with it I was tired of the first one well before the halfway mark.

Yellowman
09-12-2007, 05:52 AM
i'm calling bullshit. there is no way Nintendo will allow an AO title on their systems. ever.

There is no AO rating in Netherlands I believe... Or at least they have a different system or something. Thats why it can be sold there.
Also, it's not just Nintendo, neither Sony nor Microsoft will ever allow AO rated games on their systems. Ever.

Squidbot
09-12-2007, 05:56 AM
Turn and face the strange....

Seriously, I'll go get my care face. Manhunt wasn't worthy of a sequel in my opinion, and just sold on the "shock" value. Now it doesn't even have that?

Nighthold
09-12-2007, 06:02 AM
Blurring the big payoff? Darkening it to the point that you cant tell whats happening?

What a fucking cock tease.

This was barely tolerable in The Punisher. In a game like Manhunt, where the gore and violence is one of the chief reasons for playing, this is going to be a real pain.

Unless there is a way to import the AO version, or they release an uncensored edition on PC, I don't see myself owning this.

It really sounds like this was overkill and it just offends the hell out of me. Whats the point of having these mega-kills if you cant even see them?

Nura
09-12-2007, 06:03 AM
But what about in EU? we have a different rating system, so Manhunt 2 will get the PEGI 18+, but both Microsoft and Nintendo does allows that rating. So will us europeans get the uncensored version?

opusdeath
09-12-2007, 06:06 AM
I long for the day when gaming is treat like any other entertainment medium with proper classifications so adults can enjoy adult themes.

Knite
09-12-2007, 06:07 AM
Honestly, I never played the first one, and don't currently have intentions on buying the second...

That being said.. they were already basically done with the AO version, yes?

Why not do what movies do? Sell both an "R" (MA) Rated, and a Unrated (AO) version? Let the stores pick what they are going to sell, and let the consumer choose as well?

Wyrm
09-12-2007, 06:24 AM
I played the first Manhunt through. For what reason, I could not honestly say. I was bored during one summer and a friend of mine had a copy, so I loaded it up and played through it in a weekend. I'm still not sure why I kept coming back to it each day. The gameplay was good, but the game is just so messed up in every possible way it can be.

In regard to the news post, I'd say that the sole appeal of Manhunt was in the variety of ways one could dispatch one's enemies. Fewer games provided such utterly repugnant and brutal death animations than Manhunt, and for that, it was an interesting game. By taking out that essential element of the gameplay, the game won't be a 'whole' experience.

Do I think they should sell this game in Toys R' Us or Walmart? No, but game stores ought to be able to stock adult rated games.

atariv8
09-12-2007, 06:33 AM
I can't believe they went the Punisher route. This is kind of disappointing since, like the original article states, it was the payoff scenes that made you want to try the different levels of kill.

I know this has been debated on about 30 other threads but I really think someone had to play the original through to the end in order to judge whether it was just a shock value game. I don't know what people were expecting, it was not an action game and it wasn't an adventure game. It was a stealth/survival/tension game, if there is such a genre, that did it's job well, which was to keep me on the edge of my seat with my butt clenched tightly. And there was nothing more satisfying than catching a guy that's been stalking/harassing you for a good bit of time and giving him what for. And it was a fake digital, polygon, texture mapped, non-human character that I was killing, not a real human being, I know some people have problems distinguishing the two.

menage
09-12-2007, 06:58 AM
Also, it's not just Nintendo, neither Sony nor Microsoft will ever allow AO rated games on their systems. Ever.

Which is sad. What other media doesn't? If games are ever to grow up seriously someone needs to cross the line.

Azriel77
09-12-2007, 07:07 AM
Thats lame, they might as well not release it. Who is going to play the game if you cannot even see the death kills? Wasn't that the whole point? I would probably get it if they released an unedited version but there is no way in hell I am getting the Disney version.

Yellowman
09-12-2007, 07:09 AM
Well that is why PC gaming could have been great, much less 'control' but it suffered from so many drawbacks (massive hardware variety, not really a living room experience and major hardcoritis).

Telefrog
09-12-2007, 07:33 AM
Which is sad. What other media doesn't? If games are ever to grow up seriously someone needs to cross the line.

Why? A mature game can appeal to adults based on it's story, character development, or even the subject matter. Do you really need ultra gruesome kills to qualify as a "grown up" medium? Is this how gaming will become legitimized in mainstream media's view?

I don't consider porn/hentai games as an example of grown up gaming. In fact, they seem even more juvenile to me. They're certainly not for kids, but they don't appeal to most mature adults either.

GameFlood Nathan
09-12-2007, 07:50 AM
I wasn't impressed by the first one. I rented it and only beat it out of pure spite for having spent any money at all on it. Murder Gear Solid it was most certainly not.

Gedd
09-12-2007, 08:46 AM
I wasn't impressed with the first one either. I made it about 3/4 of the way through the game and then got really fucking tired of dodging bullets from overly sensitive AI. I was hoping the second one would be better.

No AO version for PC? Why are they even making a port then? Obviously devs don't give a fuck about PC gamers anymore, so why bother?

Way to cave in Rockstar. I'm surprised they haven't changed the locale in GTAIV from Liberty City to Sesame Street yet.

Beelzebud
09-12-2007, 09:21 AM
Nothing like corporate censorship.

But hey it's not the government doing it, so forget it, right?

randir14
09-12-2007, 10:05 AM
If a PC version comes out I hope someone makes a patch to remove the censorship like they did for The Punisher.

Dirty Harry
09-12-2007, 10:09 AM
TRust me like all rockstar products, they will eventually end up on the pc.

Hecubus
09-12-2007, 10:14 AM
The only reason I was remotely interested in this title was because of its sensationalistic and exploitative nature. Now that that aspect has been neutered, the original draw is no longer there. In essence, I get to save $50.

Citizen Philip
09-12-2007, 11:39 AM
Your ch-ch-ch-changes wouldn't happen to be from a particular oddity whom sings for the arachnids from the 4th planet, no?

Sl1pstream
09-12-2007, 12:26 PM
Well, I'd heard (but can't confirm!) that the Netherlands version will be pretty easy to import, and that they'd be selling the AO version through the website. All brick and mortar stores would get the M version. If so, it wouldn't be too bad.
Both Wii and PS2 are region locked, so unless you've got a PAL PS2 or a modded Wii, forget it. Unless you really want to play this on PSP.

ruceree88
09-12-2007, 01:24 PM
This is so hypocritical. Most of us have seen worse things in movies, I find this insulting as a game playing adult. I thought the first MH was ok. If this is the way they handle it, they can count me out.

BlackPete
09-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Meh... the whole idea of mega kills just turns me off -- is it really necessary to have shit like that in a game in the first place?

atariv8
09-12-2007, 04:22 PM
-- is it really necessary to have shit like that in a game in the first place?

Yes...yes it is.

Evil Avnovice
09-12-2007, 06:01 PM
Off topic: Mmmm, props. :)

On topic: So they removed one fatality completely and a few of the other, more grisly deaths are blurred out slightly?

Big Whoop. I'll still get the game [Wii version] for the same two reasons as before: (curiosity + Wii-mote integration).

Mr.Condescension
09-13-2007, 01:47 AM
I'm actually a pretty avid fan of the first one. Brian Cox's role as a cursing, vicious snuff film director was amazingly done, imho. It made the game for me. I have been wary of this game since it doesn't have him in it, or any character remotely like his character directing the action. I'd been interested in giving it a chance, but I'm really concerned about the kill animations now. I guess I'll have to wait for some videos and reviews. The grittiness and voyeurism of the whole affair was sort of the point of the game.

Dirty Harry
09-13-2007, 09:55 AM
I'm actually a pretty avid fan of the first one. Brian Cox's role as a cursing, vicious snuff film director was amazingly done, imho. It made the game for me. I have been wary of this game since it doesn't have him in it, or any character remotely like his character directing the action. I'd been interested in giving it a chance, but I'm really concerned about the kill animations now. I guess I'll have to wait for some videos and reviews. The grittiness and voyeurism of the whole affair was sort of the point of the game.

I know im going to miss the porn director too, but RS is pretty good at making interesting stories so i figure this games story is really gonna be fucked up.

Gedd
09-13-2007, 03:08 PM
-- is it really necessary to have shit like that in a game in the first place?

I bet a lot of people said the same thing about Mortal Kombat when it first appeared in arcades. :)

Sl1pstream
09-14-2007, 03:51 AM
I bet a lot of people said the same thing about Mortal Kombat when it first appeared in arcades. :)

You're kidding, right? They're not exactly the same thing.