Hilary Clinton Gets Some Rockstar "Hot Coffee"

[Tricky Thumb]

Gamespot is reporting (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/13/news_6129021.html) that Hilary Clinton is taking the Rockstar "Hot Coffee" case to the FTC (That's Federal Trade Commission) to look into the mod.

Clinton is expected to call on the FTC to determine who is responsible for the Hot Coffee mod, a modification that unlocks sexually explicit minigames in Rockstar's recently published PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
Seems to me like somebody is being a bit of a glory hound.

Editor: Let me summarize the stance of the European rating boards.
we can only note the hypocrisy of classifying graphic violence as mature, but classifying graphic sex (and crude graphic sex at that) as too taboo for mainstream audiences. Perhaps they are worried that the future will be filled with confused childless couples, frustratedly gyrating at one another while fully clothed. It’s a wonder conservative Americans know how to do it at all.

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i'm seriously going to consider making an abortion mod for a game just to see what hilary thinks of it. i'm sure she'll disapprove moraly, but respect my choice as a man to have the abortion mod.

[darkwarrior]

Seriously, do people not know about sex?

Have a lot of people who've played GTA not had it nor ever heard of it? Graphic? Last I checked, the models in GTA weren't all that realistic.

Talk about over-dramatic.

*watches as SA sales climb*

[Goronmon]

You'd think that politicians have more important issues than whether "hackers" unlocked a bunch of graphic scenes for some low-poly models in a video game...

Guess not.

[LilEvilFish]

It's not the hacking bit they're bothered about though. It's the alleged breach of contract by rockstar not revealing ALL content contained within SA. Yes supposedly the mod added in the models and such which we all know is bollocks since the mod is only 1.24meg in size and according to the author is simply a unlocking code but ANYWAY.

It's still one of those daft breach of trust/contract things that they talked about in LA Law, hacking aside. It's like MS coding in the ability to read everyones email through Outlook and not telling anyone.

[VoodooKarma]

Oh PLEEEEEEEASE! Someone please take this attention seeking whore out with a sniper rifle, just like in GTA.

[Goronmon]

It's still one of those daft breach of trust/contract things that they talked about in LA Law, hacking aside. It's like MS coding in the ability to read everyones email through Outlook and not telling anyone.
Well, not really, unless you consider low-quality CG porn to be malicious in intent ;)

[Goronmon]

Oh PLEEEEEEEASE! Someone please take this attention seeking whore out with a sniper rifle, just like in GTA.
AMG! Gamer resorting to violence stemming from condition of the games he/she plays! :eek:

[doubtingthomas]

Saying a politician is a Glory Hound, or less tactfully, an attention seeking whore, is kind of redundant.

[AspectVoid]

This is a political move, nothing more. Hillary sees this as a way to get votes from the "Stay at home Moms" demographic. The thing I don't think she sees, though, is that if she does run again, doing stuff like this will loose her votes from the 18-25 crowd, and if we're ever not too lazy to vote, she'd be screwed.

[Ph00p]

At first I thought this was going to be about someone modding her face into the hot coffee game, but who'd want to plug that old hag now.

[speeder]

Hillary Clinton, the wife of the dude that got a BJ from the intern in the oval office. Maybe she needs a "Hot Coffee" mod. :D

[King Drewsky]

Woo-hooo!!! After craftily making a bunch of right moves (double entendre intended) to help her become a more viable presidential candidate, Hillary has finally slipped up and picked the wrong battle. This is not the "hot topic" that can win her the presidency. Politicians who battle indecency in video games have not typically won the gain in favor they were looking for. And to say that the hot coffee mod is indecent is ridiculous compared to the rest of the game. To me, the whole game is indecent (and I love it).

[ÜberJumper]

Who's setting a worse example here? A game that has the potential for sexual content to be shown in context, or the wife of the former president of the US who had an affair and didn't hold him to his marriage vows.

All that assumes that the content in GTA is in context, and that their marriage vows didn't allow for him to be fucking around.

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ohh.... we need t-shirts that say "FREE HOT COFFEE" in GTA:SA font

[net7runner]

Who's setting a worse example here? A game that has the potential for sexual content to be shown in context, or the wife of the former president of the US who had an affair and didn't hold him to his marriage vows.

I have never before heard such a high-minded, spiteful, and petty comment. Welcome to EA: please leave your bigotry at the door.

This does look like it's just another political ploy. However, I'm always confused why Hilary Clinton evokes such rancor from the random populace. We've had news posts about similar political actions (I seem to recall something in Illinois), and while most of the comments seemed to revolve around calling the politicians in question stupid and ill-informed (probably with reason), no one asked that they get shot or raped. I just don't get it...

[Klade]

This is a political move, nothing more. Hillary sees this as a way to get votes from the "Stay at home Moms" demographic. The thing I don't think she sees, though, is that if she does run again, doing stuff like this will loose her votes from the 18-25 crowd, and if we're ever not too lazy to vote, she'd be screwed.

Heh no danger there. That demographic doesn't vote. The only time in history it voted was during Vietnam when they were all getting sent off to war. I don't think video games fall on the same level.

Sorry I hate to burst the bubble, but even though we as gamers find this distasteful its really of no consequence. Breaking Headlines! Hillary Clinton plans to make a phone call!! .... SHOCKING..

Everything in context.

[Paltry]

Seems to me like somebody is being a bit of a glory hound.

Seems to me like shes being a plain old hound
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Kelegacy]

I'll vote for her for president if it's against the "forgetable mayor from New York until 9-11 fell into his lap" but Democratic politicians have got to stop being such pussies over this stuff. Let the ESRB, Rockstar, and maybe some lawyers figure this one out. It is ridiculous how much attention the game has received.

I hope the next GTA is labeled AO so they can put in anal sex, transexual 69ers and plenty of skeet. I bet we'll STILL see a politican backlash.

[Sion]

Hillary Clinton, the wife of the dude that got a BJ from the intern in the oval office. Maybe she needs a "Hot Coffee" mod. :D


LOL omg bill BJ Lol!!

[Orphiuchus]

Guys, my disdain for Hillary Clinton is second only to Ed Kennedy, and I really do hope that if she ever runs for the presidency she gets spanked, but this is not going to hurt her in any way. I am willing to bet 80% of the people reading this didn't vote, and of those that did vote I bet 60-80% voted democrat. Honestly, how many of you would have voted for G. W. Bush over Hillary Clinton?

[SaintArnold]

Honestly, how many of you would have voted for G. W. Bush over Hillary Clinton?

*cue GammaLeak rant*

[IagoTheHunted]

I can't start ranting about this one or I'm going to lose it. All I can say is that we're in a fucking WAR in REAL LIFE and politicians are worried that HACKERS have access to (not even real) PORN! ... if it were possible I'd just spontaniously die right now from this crap.

[mpsmith]

This isnt a war, its a low-intensity conflict. Jeeze.

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I hope the next GTA is labeled AO so they can put in anal sex, transexual 69ers and plenty of skeet. I bet we'll STILL see a politican backlash.
i know you mean this in jest, but the reason why rockstar limits themselves to an M rating is because many retailers don't carry AO games. EB, Gamestop, WAL-Mart... that's most of the market right there.

i wonder, though, if GTA:SA was changed to AO i could see EB and GS changing their policy about AO games, considering the oodles of chash they've made off the last 3 GTA titles.

[Taco]

I can't start ranting about this one or I'm going to lose it. All I can say is that we're in a fucking WAR in REAL LIFE and politicians are worried that HACKERS have access to (not even real) PORN! ... if it were possible I'd just spontaniously die right now from this crap.

Politicians make a big deal out of it because that's what the jackas.... err american masses are worried about.

[DaedalusFolly]

Honestly, how many of you would have voted for G. W. Bush over Hillary Clinton?

Seeing as how I havent voted for G.W. yet, I'd say my chances of voting for her would have been pretty good.

[IagoTheHunted]

Politicians make a big deal out of it because that's what the jackas.... err american masses are worried about.

No doubt there are lots of people out there who care more about porn than I do (uh, pretty much anyone who cares at all). But if the media was showing more dead americans and less trivial bull then maybe the "American Masses" would snap out of it. I garentee nobody whos worried about this mod has any clue what a pain in the ass it is to use mods, and how much internet porn you would likely have to wade through to just find it in the first place.

[see colon]

i'm not sure i would vote for hilary in normal circumstances. i think i would have given her a shot if it meant one-terming GWB, but that's a special case that won't be an issue when she finaly runs. my main reservation with hilary, besides that fact that i live in new york and find it offensive that she basicly invaded my state to become a senator (but that's pretty common in politics), is that she and tipper gore are like constructacons. they are pretty scary by themselves, but combined they turn into something much worse. they are part of the reason i like republicans. at least republicans try to hide the fact that they are stealing my liberties, democrats are constantly rallying to censor my music, censor my TV, censor my movies, and censor my videogames.

[absolut taco]

After all the attention Hot Coffee has recieved, I have 4 words for you.
Liberal media my ass!
This is the kind of "moral" non-news only Bill O'Reilly and his gang of nazis should bark about.

[mpsmith]

Bah, the "liberal media" is a myth. It doesnt really have political leanings- its just sensationalist... Although I must say the media tends to be more ruthless toward democrats (for example, heads would have rolled in the Clinton administration for things that the Bush administration shrugs off daily).

[Blue]

I work at Starbucks and serve Hot Coffee every day. I wonder what's going to happen to me.

I've never been able to actually put my finger on it, but Hilary Clinton just creeps me out. I get weird vibes off of her. The fact that politicians attack this sort of thing isn't surprising really, but it's just very sad for me. I mean, there are - clearly - much more important issues happening within the world at large and, apparently, it seems that some feel the potential road to the oval office sits in the fake porn department. I know Rockstar too is in the wrong for not fully reporting everything, but come on people. This is just ridiculous. Learn to pick what battles are and are not important.

[Paltry]

mpsmith you are so full of shit its coming out of your tear ducts

[Kelegacy]

a vote for hillary is a vote for... i dunno, being a pussy or somin

Go smoke another joint, hippie.

Kidding, but I am a registered Democrat now, which has got me really thinking about things. Worrying, more like. Most things the Republicans do really sicken me (besides capital punishment...FRY the suckers!) but the Democrats do some equally sickening things sometimes. I am all about people being treated as equals, gay, black, mutant, etc. which is one good thing about being a Liberal...but the other thing is that Liberals are marching towards a 1984ish world just as fast as the Republicans and their Patriot Act.

America IS beautiful, the way my Aunt Gert is beautiful. She's related to me, so i have to love her. If she wasnt, i'd kick her down the stairs.

[Orphiuchus]

The liberal media took one hell of a hit when fox news hit, and since then its been a lot less predominant. If I get sick of seeing liberal bias on cnn I can just switch over to fox news and get the other angle.

And yes, mpsmith is full of shit. You think the media would let bush could get away with murdering a business partner?

[Paltry]

its been like 10 years maybe that there has been any real voice for the right on television

Television has been a propoganda mill for the left since the 60s and now that we got folks like bill o reilly, who is a big dickwad admitedly, all the libs got their panties in a wad

to all you whiny leftists out there imagine if fox was the only place you could get your news for the past 30 years

then youd know how those republicans feel

[Paltry]

your mean kelegacy.... would you really kick an old lady down the stairs

[VoodooKarma]

Not to sound too crude, but both Republicans and Democrats lick ass. Both parties are full of crooked creeps who do not act on anything unless a poll tells them they should. About the best you can do is pick between the lesser of the two evils come election time.

[Paltry]

why are most people on the internet democrats btw

ive always wondered that

for every republican on a message board there are 30 democrats

not so much here but youuuuuz know what im talking about


and kelegacy..... i think i will as soon as i get outta work

[kokyunage]

I am a registered democrat, didn't vote for Bush either time and in generaly vote democrat only. However, I find that Foxnews isn't bad if you actually watch their news programs. They are usually on during the afternoon/weekends. Ignore the prime time news *cough* opinion *cough* shows like Oreilly and pretty much anything right after him.

[Blue]

I'm technically a Republican (views are just closer to my own, don't agree with em all), but I'd easily vote for the better person running. My mom is the kind of Republican who votes for them no matter what (even short of said Republican admittiing to being a baby eater, I'd imagine) and that mentality I just don't understand. I'll be the first to admit though, in this past election, I think we were screwed either way. Lesser of two evils and whatnot.

As a side note: I think Hilary would eliminate taxes and just collect souls.

[EternalGamer]

This is a political move, nothing more. Hillary sees this as a way to get votes from the "Stay at home Moms" demographic. The thing I don't think she sees, though, is that if she does run again, doing stuff like this will loose her votes from the 18-25 crowd, and if we're ever not too lazy to vote, she'd be screwed.

I think the animiousity towards her really comes from the fact that she is an ambitious political woman, I think it's a visceral reaction that comes from a subconscious place, and it started when she was the first lady. She didn't always play the typical first lady role of hosting teaparties and only setting up fundraising jobs for non-contraversial charities like literacy. She took quite a few political issues head on, and people hated her for it. A private citizen like Bill Bradley can fight for legistlation on a political issue and nobody has a problem, but the president's wife? A lot of people honestly think that position is that of a trophy piece and that she doens't have the same rights are other private citizens to speak for causes. People think it's her job just to shut up and look the part.

That said, while I empathize with her a bit for the visciousness of the attacks against her, I think her attempts to capitalize on hot topics have been a bit too obvious as of late. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your perspective), this probably won't hurt her much in the eyes of the public, but it does hurt her in the eyes of those of us who would still prefer our politicians at least try to maintain political integrity. While I am annoyed by the few opportunistic democrats and republicans that take up this issue to gain quick approval ratings, I am not really threatened by it since I'm pretty confident it will all come to naught.

The real story here is why the news media goes virtually braindead when it comes to dealing with the game industry and its demographics. Hopefully this will all change in 10 or 15 years when those who grew up with games start to fill those media positions, but damn if it is not really annoying to sit and watch until that point.

Dan

[mpsmith]

Wait. Im full of shit how? Look at all the BS this administration has done and had nothing come of it. Right now: Carl Rove leaked a CIA agents identity. When asked about this issue before, Bush said that if anyone in his administration was involved, theyd be gone. Now he seems to be backing away from that since the word is out that it's Rove. The media (and Democratic party) is so weak Id be amazed if anyone held their feet to the fire.

[edit] Oh, and if you think Clinton had close associates killed, had 16yr old girls on cocaine, etc. you really should sit down and think about why you believe the things you do.

[serion]

I can't start ranting about this one or I'm going to lose it. All I can say is that we're in a fucking WAR in REAL LIFE and politicians are worried that HACKERS have access to (not even real) PORN! ... if it were possible I'd just spontaniously die right now from this crap.

Yeah, what the fuck? I know the real issue is about full disclosure to the ESRB, but the media and most politicians are making it into an issue of decency and OMG Pr0n!!1!

Only kids over 17 are supposed to have this game in the first place. In my state, thats the age of consent. I can screw but I can't play a game that has a potential to show some poorly rendered and clothed sex?

Maybe they should be less interested in "porn" that you have to pay 50$ for and then download a mod to see than the stuff thats free on about 3/4ths of the internet?

Or maybe they should be slightly fucking concerned about the gajillion dollar national deficit, the two wars we're in, the supreme court nominee, and all the other issues that might have an impact on more than the mostly 18-25 gamer demographic that DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING VOTE!

[Phades]

Unfortunately neither party is worth a damn. They both will screw us all left and right just to pad their pocketbooks and their own agenda. All of them are a bunch of liars and just about everything they do is politically motivated. And best of all, people are morons and just let it all slide. Oh sure, we whine and cry, but we still don't do anything.

Oh well, back to playing Pirates!

[Paltry]

so.... whos up for a revolution

it cant be all that hard

im down

[RicoSuave77]

I wish those evil Religous Right Fundamentalists would stop trying to legislate morality!

Oh, wait...

[RicoSuave77]

Wait. Im full of shit how? Look at all the BS this administration has done and had nothing come of it. Right now: Carl Rove leaked a CIA agents identity.
No, the agent in question leaked her own identity long before - others have mentioned that she and her husband practically bragged about at cocktail parties and such.

[ÜberJumper]

I have never before heard such a high-minded, spiteful, and petty comment. Welcome to EA: please leave your bigotry at the door.

This does look like it's just another political ploy. However, I'm always confused why Hilary Clinton evokes such rancor from the random populace. We've had news posts about similar political actions (I seem to recall something in Illinois), and while most of the comments seemed to revolve around calling the politicians in question stupid and ill-informed (probably with reason), no one asked that they get shot or raped. I just don't get it...

Netrunner:

Some points.

1. I think honouring vows of marriage (any contract or agreement for that matter) are pretty important. I think when you let people break their vows (or again, any contract or agreement) you're doing the community a disservice.

2. In my opinion, people in positions of power and influence, specifically those in the public eye, lead by example. Hillary Clinton is in a position of power and influence.

3. I'm Canadian, so what your politicians do really don't bother me, unless it comes to interrupting my gaming diet. That means I'm neither democrat or republican.

4. We do get a LOT of US news up here in Canada, and it's annoyingly amusing when stupid stuff like this crops up. As such, there is a certain amount of influence that your politicians have on Canadian culture.

I just caught a bit of that bowling for columbine bit last night (mmmmm High Definition Movie Channel... *gurgle*)... specifically the thing with Marilyn Manson talking about how politicians, specifically the president of the united states, has more of an influence on people than a musician does (one might argue this point in the light of Live8 and other such things). I may not agree with all the facts that that little segment brought out, but the core message was the important bit. Leaders lead by example.

Hillary Clinton stood by her husband's side after he cheated on her. While some say this shows compassion on her part, others say it shows that it's a marriage of convience, others might say that they had an "open" relationship, even others would say that it's none of the public's business. Either way, that "first family" had more influence on people's behaviour BECAUSE they were in the public eye. Her seeming public inaction in dealing with her husband was effectively the same as her rubber stamping his cheating ways. Now maybe I missed her making a comment on the whole Presidential affair thing, so if I did, please point it out.

With her involvement in this issue, maybe she's trying to make amends and is overreacting. Maybe she's trying to create a better environment for families or something. Maybe she's just an attention seeking politician.

In the end, to me, this is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Deadend]

Oh quit spining Rico.

Rove came out and said it, therefore he broke a LAW, a RULE, therefore he commited a CRIME. Do you understand? Or are you just trying to say laws do not apply for the republican party?

Fuck it, I hate both parties, they are so full of shit, the Dems are like the Reps mini-me's and both spew so much bullshit.

I want to run my own political party that will be for the commen-man and not full of shit like the other 2, and not all hugs and kisses like the other 3rd parties.

[Paltry]

deadend

he didnt come out and say it
he didnt break a law
thats why nothing is gonna come out of this
read up on what your talking about before you go hollerin online

good luck finding "commen men" to join your party

[Player 1]

The thing that get's me about the whole 'black coffee' affair is the attitude towards sex and the attitude towards violence.

The stance could be interpreted as "It's ok to participate in gang turf wars, car theft, burglary, murder and reckless driving just so long as you don't go to your girlfriend's place and get a blowjob afterwards"

Excuse me?

I think I'm not being overly radical when I say that oral sex and penetrative sex are considered 'normal' and not wildly kinky or anything. I'd say a healthy portion of the worlds population indulge in both.

Let's face it, Hilary and Bill have a lovely daughter called Chelsea. One would assume that their offspring was as a result of intercourse. What hugely immoral videogame pressured Hilary into having her husband have sex with her?

Or, possibly, did Bill and Hill actually consent to have sex without the influence of a videogame guiding them?

Whoa. Stop me someone!

Is it actually possible that B&H knew about sex REGARDLESS of videogames?

Oh my God!

And, for GTA, the situation's quite moralistic. Here's a guy and a girl indulging in consentual sex during a monogomous relationship. What's so wrong about that?

[EL CABONG]

Oh PLEEEEEEEASE! Someone please take this attention seeking whore out with a sniper rifle, just like in GTA.
right on. any sex in gta isn't as bad as the joke her husband turned this country into with his constant sex scandels not to metion her scandels travelgate ,whitewater,touring ( and later campaining)new york (my state) on the taxs payers dime in air force one.

[PotatoNinja]

I hate to come in and poop all over this beautiful political flame war we're having, but shouldn't we wait to see what Clinton actually does about Hot Coffee before we start freaking out and screaming?

Seriously, some people need a little perspective here (and some people here need a lot of medication ). If we're going to hit politicians for being sensationalists who blow things out of proportions, shouldn't we, dunno, try not to do the same goddamn exact thing we're accusing them of?

[Mister Pie]

Firstly, everyone shut up about politics. This is not a topic people can agree to online.

Secondly, ignoring my own rule, my own viewpoint (I'm more of a moderate than anything) is that Rove should probably resign. Yeah yeah, supposedly the evidence (SO FAR) is that he did not explicitly mention the CIA agent by name. Nonetheless, by revealing Rove as a source, one of the reporters was able to get out of prison. If Rove was a minor source, I doubt the court would let him go.

[wiredInsanity]

Funny, I thought the game cost money to purchase. It's not a damn pbs special over public air waves. We already have the ESRB, we don't need any more government intervention.

[Goronmon]

Seriously, some people need a little perspective here (and some people here need a lot of medication ). If we're going to hit politicians for being sensationalists who blow things out of proportions, shouldn't we, dunno, try not to do the same goddamn exact thing we're accusing them of?
I don't think its sensationalist when you say that a politician shouldn't be wasting their time on something as stupid a 5-polygon-boob in a game where you kill people for the fun of it.

[Achilles]

I'll vote for her for president if it's against the "forgetable mayor from New York until 9-11 fell into his lap"Giuliani? Forgettable? As someone who lived in NY for most of his term in office he’s far from forgettable. He cleaned up that city in a major way, he was a well known figure before 9/11.

About this Hillary Clinton thing, I’m really surprised that Dems are always coming out a against video games. Aren’t they all about the youth vote? I assume that it’s because it’s the only ‘sex and violence in entertainment’ issue that they can take a negative stand on since they get so much of their support from those in the movie industry, but still. Also what ever happened to the horror that was 25 to Life? Did the politicians discover it wasn't marketable enough or something? You’d figure if something was ruining our America’s youth they’d keep on it for more than a week.Rove came out and said it, therefore he broke a LAW, a RULE, therefore he commited a CRIME. Do you understand? Or are you just trying to say laws do not apply for the republican party?Rove hasn’t been accused of any crime yet. They’re still researching it. From what I understand revealing her identity is only a crime if she’s under cover at the time, and there’s a question as to whether she was or not. So really it’s not a cut and dry issue, if it was they would have already brought charges against him.

[Jetherik]

If you are worried about your teenage kid downloading the mod and playing GTA Sex - then why in the hell did you buy the game for them in the first place?

[petedog]

Rove hasn’t been accused of any crime yet. They’re still researching it. From what I understand revealing her identity is only a crime if she’s under cover at the time, and there’s a question as to whether she was or not. So really it’s not a cut and dry issue, if it was they would have already brought charges against him.

Actually, I would assume that if her identity was not still considered a secret I would think that the special prosecutor would have determined that by now (it has been a couple years) and the grand jury would have been dismissed.

And as far as the rest of it goes, information alleging Rove's involvement has only become available in the last couple weeks. If you have any idea how slowly federal courts work, 2 weeks is about the equivalent to 5 minutes in court time. (For example, I am working on a Federal habeas corpus petition where the evidentiary hearing took over 10 years)

And jesus, this thing got really off topic...

[Paltry]

I knew dat bitch was in the cia yo

im da fuckin leek niggah

iz told everbody

[Voodoo]

http://www.chocolatecityweb.com/arguing.jpg

[Paltry]

da L E E K

like da onion yo

[Voodoo]

Da leek like da onion. Thar be many layers yo.

Can I get a movie ticket?

[dr_qwandry]

Quite frankly I think the internet should be outlawed because people can see porn WITHOUT using a mod. It is obviouisly shameful

:P

[Banacek]

Giuliani? Forgettable? As someone who lived in NY for most of his term in office he’s far from forgettable. He cleaned up that city in a major way, he was a well known figure before 9/11.

Thank you. I was going to address that but you beat me to it.

As for the rest of this thread...

/Flame on!

[Voodoo]

http://www.jerseygop.com/GOP-Bos/Rudy-Giuliani-5.jpg

[Himsa II]

Quite frankly I think the internet should be outlawed because people can see porn WITHOUT using a mod. It is obviouisly shameful

:P
Too true. Use Google, type in "porn" in the pictures section, then your off. (lol) I think we paid for the game. and please, no more poltical garbage. I like to read all the commments b4 I respond, but the last 5 pages have equaled 3 Harry Potter novels back to back in terms of reading. the point of this thread is to say that the politicians have been blowing this ordeal way outta hand, say Hillary is a bitch, and say sex is taught in the 5 grade, so its okay to learn about it, but to actually see it, is a goddamn sin. No one(politician wise) has mentioned that the models are fully clothed and nothing obscene can be seen. Only the noises and actions are obscene, but all anyone needs to do is watch "When Harry Met Sally" and the noises and actions are there.




:mad: You fuckers mad me write my own Harry Potter here. You guys are bastards. :mad: At least it aint about politics. :D

[mister_slim]

Giuliani? Forgettable? As someone who lived in NY for most of his term in office he’s far from forgettable. He cleaned up that city in a major way, he was a well known figure before 9/11.
Personally, I'm not impressed by someone using a racist cabaret law to deprive people of their rights.

[kingnothing]

Okay, so whether or not this is a political move or not... who gives a damn. I'm just wanting to know if there are any screen shots or videos of this hot coffee action. I'm just dying to see what it's like, but i'm too poor to go out and buy the game for PC, or buy an Action Replay MAX for my PS2. So, anyone have any links to videos or photos? :D

[TrackZero]

ohh.... we need t-shirts that say "FREE HOT COFFEE" in GTA:SA font

Dude, submit (http://www.comboclothing.com/) that shit!

[TrackZero]

Giuliani? Forgettable? As someone who lived in NY for most of his term in office he’s far from forgettable. He cleaned up that city in a major way, he was a well known figure before 9/11.


Agreed. I'm from fucking Canada and I heard about Giuliani all the time, long before 9/11 happened.

[Kelegacy]

Agreed. I'm from fucking Canada and I heard about Giuliani all the time, long before 9/11 happened.

I think everyone had heard of the Mayor of the biggest city in the world at some point, long before 9/11. But I can guarantee that if he runs for president, 9/11 will be resurrected and paraded around like a corpse that just wont stop being exhumed, though it craves for eternal rest. We shouldn't forget the events of that day, but politicians shouldn't mount the tragic memories of the recent past and hump them until coins come out. That's what sickens me. Bush did it in this last election as well. Anyone involved with that fateful day will ride that pony long after it has blown itself.

[Achilles]

I think everyone had heard of the Mayor of the biggest city in the world at some point, long before 9/11.Than why’d you refer to him as “Forgetable mayor from New York until 9/11 fell into his lap”? Had everyone heard of the mayor that came before him, or the current mayor? It’s the same city, but Giuliani really stood out because he was very effective and had a strong personality.But I can guarantee that if he runs for president, 9/11 will be resurrected and paraded around like a corpse that just wont stop being exhumed, though it craves for eternal rest.Well it was easily the biggest event of his career. It tells a lot about how he’d deal with emergency situations and all of that. Why would you think it’s slimy for him to bring it up? He was running the city when it was attacked and in the aftermath, he's more justified in talking about it than any other politician. I’m sure he’ll mention 9/11 a bunch, but he’ll also use how he managed to lower crime in NYC and the other initiatives he took.Agreed. I'm from fucking Canada and I heard about Giuliani all the time, long before 9/11 happened.Support from our friends to the north! :)

[Heretic Machine]

Reason to abandon America #456.

[KarmaGhost]

Anyone wanna mention that the PS2 and (apparently) the Xbox version of GTA: SA have also been hacked to "unlock" the content under discussion? This would mean that someone else, other than the "Hot Coffee" modder(s), are fucked.

[Cuba]

Rove hasn’t been accused of any crime yet. They’re still researching it. From what I understand revealing her identity is only a crime if she’s under cover at the time, and there’s a question as to whether she was or not. So really it’s not a cut and dry issue, if it was they would have already brought charges against him.So if I circulate the photo and name of an agent that has just gone on two weeks holiday, that is perfectly legal? Will the agency just forget about the millions of dollars of training that I just wasted turning their field agent into a desk jockey?

[Achilles]

So if I circulate the photo and name of an agent that has just gone on two weeks holiday, that is perfectly legal?I don’t think anybody is suggesting he circulated a photo, for a name, obviously she'd have a different one when under cover. However I don’t know the law at all. I think that if it was something like him mentioning she was being re-assigned to an embassy somewhere, that wouldn’t be illegal, he’d pretty much have had to know she was under cover and she would have had to have been under cover.

Do we have any lawyers here who have studied this? As if it wasn’t completely off topic or something. I'm not concerned about this, if he broke the law he'll be brought up on charges at some point. He's certainly not going around making a habit out of it so I don't see a pressing need to take action against him before the investigation is finished.

[see colon]

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my frined has a t-shirt press, i might whip some up for fun. i should put a no hillery symbol on the back as well. a plan is forming.

[Kelegacy]

Than why’d you refer to him as “Forgetable mayor from New York until 9/11 fell into his lap”? Had everyone heard of the mayor that came before him, or the current mayor? It’s the same city, but Giuliani really stood out because he was very effective and had a strong personality.Well it was easily the biggest event of his career. It tells a lot about how he’d deal with emergency situations and all of that. Why would you think it’s slimy for him to bring it up? He was running the city when it was attacked and in the aftermath, he's more justified in talking about it than any other politician. I’m sure he’ll mention 9/11 a bunch, but he’ll also use how he managed to lower crime in NYC and the other initiatives he took.Support from our friends to the north! :)

I doubt he'll just use 9/11 in just a positive way. He's a politician. He'll milk that baby (like Bush has/is) until the teats dry up and the nipples fall off. It'll be his springboard. He could talk about it in his campaign, but I'm sure he'll be vastly overusing it to his advantage, fingerbanging the memory for his own lofty goals. That's just my prediction. Maybe he'll be a better man than that. But I doubt it.

[mister_slim]

I doubt he'll just use 9/11 in just a positive way. He's a politician. He'll milk that baby (like Bush has/is) until the teats dry up and the nipples fall off. It'll be his springboard. He could talk about it in his campaign, but I'm sure he'll be vastly overusing it to his advantage, fingerbanging the memory for his own lofty goals. That's just my prediction. Maybe he'll be a better man than that. But I doubt it.
He knows no emotion, only opportunity?

[EL CABONG]

Funny, I thought the game cost money to purchase. It's not a damn pbs special over public air waves. We already have the ESRB, we don't need any more government intervention.
dam strait!