There's a new Football Game in Town, and it's all Black

[bapenguin]

Forget Madden 08. Forget All Pro Football 2k8. Forget NCAA 08. There's a new football game in town, and it's aimed squarely at the black population. Welcome to the Black College Football XPerience (http://www.nerjyzed.com/) powered by the Unreal Engine 3.
BCFx is a sports game that captures the unique culture of the black college football experience, fusing advanced videogame design with music, and entertainment. Nerjyzed has secured an exclusive 5-year licensing agreement with three HBCU (http://www.ed.gov/about/inits/list/whhbcu/edlite-list.html) conferences including the SWAC, SIAC, and CIAA, several schools within the MEAC as well as independent HBCUs. The game features more than 40 teams, bands and mascots; interactive halftime shows; realistic stadiums; play-by-play commentary; and ten authentic Classics. For more information about BCFx, the latest game trailers, fight song ring-tones, behind-the-scenes video footage and the BCFx Road Show schedule, go to www.nerjyzed.com.

So basically the game is Drumline (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303933/) meets NCAA? I could get behind that. It sure adds character to the game.

Full press release after the break.

[bapenguin]

NERJYZED ENTERTAINMENT ANNOUNCES BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL VIDEOGAME: BCFX

Nerjyzed Launched a Multi-Market Road Show Labor Day Weekend
To Give Fans a Hands-on Experience with the Game

BATON ROUGE, LA – September 5, 2007 – Nerjyzed Entertainment, Inc., a privately held, African American owned digital entertainment company, announced today the launch of its new sports videogame, Black College Football Experience. An authentic, action-packed football game created using the Unreal 3.0 engine, BCFx is a cultural experience that puts players and fans into the heart of black college football. The game will be supported by a 12-week promotional road tour to HBCU campuses, Classics and homecoming games. BCFx will be available for the PC this November.

"Nerjyzed Entertainment was founded by a veteran team whose mission is to create positive interactive products for the urban market," said Jacqueline Beauchamp, chief executive officer of Nerjyzed Entertainment, Inc. "As HBCU alumni and black college football enthusiasts, we're proud that BCFx honors our rich tradition and provides an incredibly fun football game for the whole family to play."

BCFx is a sports game that captures the unique culture of the black college football experience, fusing advanced videogame design with music, and entertainment. Nerjyzed has secured an exclusive 5-year licensing agreement with three HBCU conferences including the SWAC, SIAC, and CIAA, several schools within the MEAC as well as independent HBCUs. The game features more than 40 teams, bands and mascots; interactive halftime shows; realistic stadiums; play-by-play commentary; and ten authentic Classics. For more information about BCFx, the latest game trailers, fight song ring-tones, behind-the-scenes video footage and the BCFx Road Show schedule, go to www.nerjyzed.com.

[Gorvi]

So it's a racially specific game? Fuck that.

[The Continental]

A PC only football game geared exclusively towards the black college football crowd?

This will sell 10 copies.

Ten.

[UglyPimp]

It's okay, I bet they'd let white people make a white-only football game without any fuss.

Wouldn't they? Guys?

[bapenguin]

A PC only football game geared exclusively towards the black college football crowd?

This will sell 10 copies.

Ten.

Yeah, if this was on consoles I think it could be pretty big. But on PCs? Not so much. Especially since it's powered by UE3.

[51|RandoM]

Hmm, wonder what would happen if we created a college football game sensationalizing the White College Football Experience(whites still spell experienced with an e, fyi).

[Mdot23]

preorder at C-Town confirmed.

i kid.

[GodFather]

thats total bullshit. Every black activist would be yelling from the rooftops if they released an "All White" football game.

Stuff like this really bothers me because black people are so sensitive to every little thing said and yet they can say and do anything they want and its ok.

I hope this game tanks, we dont need this bullshit.

[Typical_Michael]

This wont end well...

[Soul182]

I will post somehting when I am done laughing. What a joke.

[Inspector Fowler]

So it's a racially specific game? Fuck that.

I second that. If I made a football game celebrating the "white person's experience" in football, I'd have some 'splaining to do.

Oh well. Race will always be a touchy issue, but I think that the more people make it a big deal, the more touchy it gets.

[Goronmon]

Meh, everyone knows that black people make the best athletes anyways.
I am so not serious, btw.

[mXpS]

reverse racism at its finest..

[51|RandoM]

Every black activist would be yelling from the rooftops if they released an "All White" football game.

Stuff like this really bothers me because black people are so sensitive to every little thing said and yet they can say and do anything they want and its ok.

White people are racist, everybody else is just celebrating their ethnicity.

[The Continental]

This thread is getting kinda ugly, kinda fast.

[Sandman]

I find this game offensive, Matt Lienart and thousands of white college football players find this game offensive.....what is Jack Thompson's number? We'll tell him this is made by Rockstar.

[bjornbarspingvinen]

reverse racism at its finest..

Don´t really care, but it would be an outrage if there was an All white football game. People would sue like crazy. Ah, it´s so funny.

[Deadend]

I watched the trailer, there was no fucking gameplay shown, and for a game coming out in about 3 months, that is a bit odd. Just some guy saying "THIS IS HOW WE DO IT!". What kind of shit is that?

The game is going to sell 10 copies, and be utter shit.

[Mantooth]

Halftime is usually by far the best part of these games. I would bet that even a black college football fan would pick up NCAA before this unless they attended one of the schools represented in the game. The scope is too narrow.

[court12b]

This almost ranks up there with "pre-teen raider" on the "are you fucking kidding me?"-o-meter

[DingBat]

It's okay, I bet they'd let white people make a white-only football game without any fuss.

Wouldn't they? Guys?

Lol, you beat me to it.

It's almost worth funding such a game just to hear the outrage.

[Psykoboy2]

I'll stick with blaxploitation films.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/godsstepson/blackdevildollposter.jpg

[rjcc]

LOL. If you don't know anything HBCUs and their history....feel free to comment in this thread about reverse racism!

[BrainDrain]

You KNOW it's gonna be good when they use X instead of Ex in their name! Sign me up!

[OUX]

Will there be a dog fighting mini game?



Too soon?

[Hawggy]

Forget the quality of the game, the premise behind it is really unclassy.

As a black guy, it doesn't make me wanna play it anymore; in fact less, considering it's somewhat stereotyping my ethnicity by inferring I'd like their product because I'm a black gamer, which has really NOTHIN to do with my gaming habits. Race has never been a factor in entertainment, but more so culture it self. I guess my point is, people of all walks of life play games - who needs a race specific one? I wonder if they'll sell fried chicken and watermelon with it. Bad idea from any standpoint IMO.

[the soUL TRAder]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.

[rjcc]

don't try to explain HBCU's to these idiots.

Try and empathize with their plight, reverse racism is so hard for them to deal with in their daily lives.

[Kelegacy]

Hmm, wonder what would happen if we created a college football game sensationalizing the White College Football Experience(whites still spell experienced with an e, fyi).

LOL.

But I spell my name with a hizzay and a "to the". I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I'm a bit offended whites are dragged through the dirt if we did this shit but other groups are just fine and dandy. BET? What if there was a WET. We'd see Al Sharpton busting a nut on national television all over again.

[Gorvi]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.
You're forgetting the fact that the need for "Black Colleges" hasn't been there for quite a while now. Any institution that separates itself by specifying a race it associates itself with is inherently wrong. Period. End of discussion. It's perpetuating the separation between races, and not doing a damn bit of good.

[mXpS]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.
so how many colleges can black people still not attend?

i thought so. stop playing that card, its bogus in the context of this thread.

[Hawggy]

We'd see Al Sharpton busting a nut on national television all over again.

Yeah. He sux. Mr. Victim. That's who he is.

Man - black colleges, yada yada yada. The term itself embodies old traditions and settings much of the population has not let go is all. Really, all this stuff is just a fermintation of old ways many folks just haven't let go.

[Telefrog]

I am not even touching this one. You guys have at it. I'll just watch...

[rjcc]

You're forgetting the fact that the need for "Black Colleges" hasn't been there for quite a while now. Any institution that separates itself by specifying a race it associates itself with is inherently wrong. Period. End of discussion. It's perpetuating the separation between races, and not doing a damn bit of good.

really? That's an interesting theory. Have we reset the history of every university that at any time did not accept black students so that legacies are not taken into account?

hmm, seems like history doesn't just turn around all that fast, except for when you want ti to. You're right, we should shut down these educational institutions because they are clearly the problem.

[Ghostbear]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.
is this still the case? if it isnt then your point is stupid, this is about a game coming out in three months not 1955. I agree though the game isn't racist per se, but the fact remains that (and this point has been made) if a white person made a similar game there would be a media feeding frenzy and this cannot be disputed. A black person or an asian person would be allowed to buy the game of course, but would that make it any less offensive? perhaps its not "racist" but it is tacky.

[OUX]

really? That's an interesting theory. Have we reset the history of every university that at any time did not accept black students so that legacies are not taken into account?

hmm, seems like history doesn't just turn around all that fast, except for when you want ti to. You're right, we should shut down these educational institutions because they are clearly the problem.

That is silly and you are silly for saying it.

[prym_0ne]

Wow. Drum Line and NCAA ? For a public figure, you aren't being a little...oh, I don't know? Out of line?

[rjcc]

LOL.

But I spell my name with a hizzay and a "to the". I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I'm a bit offended whites are dragged through the dirt if we did this shit but other groups are just fine and dandy. BET? What if there was a WET. We'd see Al Sharpton busting a nut on national television all over again.

what's in a name? It must be incredibly difficult, with your viewing options so limited to...nearly ever other station that is owned/operated/targeted towards primarily white audiences. The white man's got it so rough these days.

[Hawggy]

is this still the case? if it isnt then your point is stupid, this is about a game coming out in three months not 1955. I agree though the game isn't racist per se, but the fact remains that (and this point has been made) if a white person made a similar game there would be a media feeding frenzy and this cannot be disputed. A black person or an asian person would be allowed to buy the game of course, but would that make it any less offensive? perhaps its not "racist" but it is tacky.

10-4. Agreed. It's distasteful. Reverse the situation, and the Justice brothers, Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson, come a runnin'.

[Xerxes]

I'll stick with blaxploitation films.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/godsstepson/blackdevildollposter.jpg

MUST WATCH NOW!!!!

Wait, can you play as the black teams in NCAA? I never gave any of those games a try so I don't know for sure. Also I think this probably to flair the halftime spots up. PC is the wrong wrong platform.

[rjcc]

That is silly and you are silly for saying it.

saying that a HBCU is invalid because of its name is silly. what I said was accurate. If current white students continue to benefit from past discrimination, how can you even begin to say "HBCUs are perpetuating the problem"?

oh yeah, I forgot, it's that reverse discrimination again. How ever do you get by?

[ZephidsEmbrace]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Congratulations, you're a racist prick.

I'm so very done with this thread before more people chime in to look stupid and I actually get onto an ignore list :(

[Hawggy]

PC is the wrong wrong platform.

Hell - any kinda sports game the console is king.

[Orphiuchus]

This my friends, is where racism comes from.

[the soUL TRAder]

You're forgetting the fact that the need for "Black Colleges" hasn't been there for quite a while now. Any institution that separates itself by specifying a race it associates itself with is inherently wrong. Period. End of discussion. It's perpetuating the separation between races, and not doing a damn bit of good.

so how many colleges can black people still not attend?

i thought so. stop playing that card, it bogus in the context of this thread.



Yeah....uh......NO.

Unfortunately, the phrase "Black Colleges" was coined at the time Blacks counldn't attend other colleges and it remains.

Guess what people?
African-Amer. aren't gonna forget they were once second class citizens in this country, and idiotic reactions to things like this aren't going to encourage them to forgive it.

There is nothing racist about this game, it's just gonna be lame. (Most likely)

[Hawggy]

Congratulations, you're a racist prick.

HUH? How'd ya yield that conclusion?

[OUX]

saying that a HBCU is invalid because of its name is silly. what I said was accurate. If current white students continue to benefit from past discrimination, how can you even begin to say "HBCUs are perpetuating the problem"?

oh yeah, I forgot, it's that reverse discrimination again. How ever do you get by?
The 'at any time' was the silly part (thus the yellow). My ancestors were likely crushed beneath a Roman heel, so should I call up Italy and ask for an apology?

[Hawggy]

African-Amer. aren't gonna forget they were once second class citizens in this country

Well, they need to. Fuck the before shit - let's get with the now.

[RUSKULL]

Actually it's alright. See, they failed to mention that you play as Chris Redfield and all the football players are zombies. So it's not an ALL black game. :P

[Hawggy]

Man, why'd you hafta remind me ppl are bitchin' about that? LOL

[Phades]

How in the hell am I benefitting from past discrimination? I'm white, both my grandparents were immigrants and my family had nothing to do with the oppression of blacks. So, tell me exactly why I should feel like I have benefited from past discrimination? I'm tired of everyone playing the victim rather than working hard and making it happen for themselves.

I live in an area that is very racially diverse and have grown up around people of all ethnicities. I never noticed that they had it any harder than I did nor did I hear any of my friends complain to that effect. In fact, I did notice that when it came time for college they had many more opportunities for scholarships based on ethnicity than I did. A friend of mine got a great scholarship from the tribes. I looked for the "White American College Fund" and couldn't find it.....

[Gorvi]

Yeah....uh......NO.

Unfortunately, the phrase "Black Colleges" was coined at the time Blacks counldn't attend other colleges and it remains.

Guess what people?
African-Amer. aren't gonna forget they were once second class citizens in this country, and idiotic reactions to things like this aren't going to encourage them to forgive it.

There is nothing racist about this game, it's just gonna be lame. (Most likely)
So you experienced this yourself first hand? Because if not, you don't have a leg to stand on. Perpetuating the victim complex is part of the problem. Seeing things as for blacks or for whites isn't going to get us anywhere. It's for the people, period.

[ZephidsEmbrace]

The 'at any time' was the silly part (thus the yellow). My ancestors were likely crushed beneath a Roman heel, so should I call up Italy and ask for an apology?

No no no, you misunderstand. You act like they owe you something and you are therefore allowed to hate them based on their heritage because they once did something that they regret (or in some cases, maybe not) now. Then you can claim that it's not actually based on their heritage, that it's in fact because they did something that you, yourself, never actually experienced.

Yes, that's right. You simply become racist and then when you victimize the others, you tell them that you're in fact the victim here.

Really, I'm done now.

[Mdot23]

How in the hell am I benefitting from past discrimination? I'm white, both my grandparents were immigrants and my family had nothing to do with the oppression of blacks. So, tell me exactly why I should feel like I have benefited from past discrimination? I'm tired of everyone playing the victim rather than working hard and making it happen for themselves. I live in an area that is very racially diverse and have grown up around people of all ethnicities. I never noticed that they had it any harder than I did nor did I hear any of my friends complain to that effect. In fact, I did notice that when it came time for college they had many more opportunities for scholarships based on ethnicity than I did. A friend of mine got a great scholarship from the tribes. I looked for the "White American College Fund" and couldn't find it.....

close thread. well put.

[rjcc]

The 'at any time' was the silly part (thus the yellow). My ancestors were likely crushed beneath a Roman heel, so should I call up Italy and ask for an apology?

Does the roman empire still exist and operate? If it did, then I would certainly recommend you look into it.

However since those specific universities and institutions are still operating, I think your comparison is irrelevant, not that it would matter to you. Black people should just be happy they can get in now, who cares what happened in the past? Everyone wants to forget the past...except when it potentially benefits them.

If those universities want to wipe the books of their history, I invite them to do so, but don't be selective about it.

[Hawggy]

I'm tired of everyone playing the victim rather than working hard and making it happen for themselves.

Hear Hear!!!

[roboninja]

Pathetic excuse for a game. The "black college experience"? I think we need to get our shit straight, and everyone be part of the same experience if people truly want to see racism end. I have said it before, and I will say it again: mandatory interracial breeding for 100 years. Fuck "but my heritage!". You are American/Canadian/British/whatever now, that is what should matter. Where you come from is nothing more than a piece of trivia.

[Loki_09]

Eeeesh... I'm just going to bite my tongue. This thread is ridiculous.

[the soUL TRAder]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Congratulations, you're a racist prick.

I'm so very done with this thread before more people chime in to look stupid and I actually get onto an ignore list :(


Don't worry clown, they're won't be too many AfricanAmerican's heading to Utah, you and your 5 wives will be OK.

And, if I'm such a racist, how do you think I survived 35 years as a whiteboy in the city of Detroit. O yeah cuz I'm not.

But you just don't know anything about that.
Please, stay up in the mountains, marry your daughter and leave us alone.

[rjcc]

How in the hell am I benefitting from past discrimination? I'm white, both my grandparents were immigrants and my family had nothing to do with the oppression of blacks. So, tell me exactly why I should feel like I have benefited from past discrimination? I'm tired of everyone playing the victim rather than working hard and making it happen for themselves.

I live in an area that is very racially diverse and have grown up around people of all ethnicities. I never noticed that they had it any harder than I did nor did I hear any of my friends complain to that effect. In fact, I did notice that when it came time for college they had many more opportunities for scholarships based on ethnicity than I did. A friend of mine got a great scholarship from the tribes. I looked for the "White American College Fund" and couldn't find it.....


I'm sorry Phades, I'll go ahead and take your name off the list of people who have benefited from past discrimination right away.

I'm sure that sordid past of Native Americans and their treatment by the US government is a fair tradeoff for a scholarship for your friend.

[Kweli]

Wonder how many shades of black the character creation has...

Lame game concept

[ZephidsEmbrace]

Don't worry clown, they're won't be too many AfricanAmerican's heading to Utah, you and your 5 wives will be OK.

And, if I'm such a racist, how do you think I survived 35 years as a whiteboy in the city of Detroit. O yeah cuz I'm not.

But you just don't know anything about that.
Please, stay up in the mountains, marry your daughter and leave us alone.

Fair enough. I did, in fact, attack you personally. But I'll still never be as racist as you are. And just so you know, widespread polygamy is a myth while racism is sitting in front of me, telling me to marry my daughter.

You're pathetic.

[LilAbner]

This game is racist on so many levels.

[Loki_09]

Don't worry clown, they're won't be too many AfricanAmerican's heading to Utah, you and your 5 wives will be OK.

And, if I'm such a racist, how do you think I survived 35 years as a whiteboy in the city of Detroit. O yeah cuz I'm not.

But you just don't know anything about that.
Please, stay up in the mountains, marry your daughter and leave us alone.

With 4 sentances, you just solidified his point. Nice! :rolleyes:

[Lima Beans]

Hmm I had never heard of Black College Football before.

[OUX]

Does the roman empire still exist and operate? If it did, then I would certainly recommend you look into it.

However since those specific universities and institutions are still operating, I think your comparison is irrelevant, not that it would matter to you. Black people should just be happy they can get in now, who cares what happened in the past? Everyone wants to forget the past...except when it potentially benefits them.

If those universities want to wipe the books of their history, I invite them to do so, but don't be selective about it.

My comparison is extremely relevant being that it was all inclusive in the spectrum of time and that being the main problem I had with your post makes it applicable. Also the 'look into it' part of this response, probably the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum (EDIT: I should note that I have read many of Megalith's posts). It was 1800 years ago for christ sake.

[the soUL TRAder]

Well, they need to. Fuck the before shit - let's get with the now.

I would love to see that myself, but it we are so quick to equate a videogame with racism because it is about the "Black College Experience", do you think they will forgive us when they know what true racism is?

[rjcc]

My comparison is extremely relevant being that it was all inclusive in the spectrum of time and that being the main problem I had with your post makes it applicable. Also the 'look into it' part of this response, probably the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum. It was 1800 years ago for christ sake.

Hmmm, you forgot the "does the roman empire still exist" part. It's kind of the key element.

Since most of the universities in question are less than a century old and (key words again) still operating with full knowledge of their racist past, exactly how is that relevant to your potential gripes with a dead society from long ago?

oh wait, it isn't.

edit - you know what, screw it, you're totally right. all 1,800 year old universities are offically off the hook. aw hell, who am I kidding, all 1,000 year old universities, who am I to hold a grudge?

[RUSKULL]

Fair enough. I did, in fact, attack you personally. But I'll still never be as racist as you are. And just so you know, widespread polygamy is a myth while racism is sitting in front of me, telling me to marry my daughter.

You're pathetic.

/waits for rebuttal...
//grabs popcorn

[Lima Beans]

Love another thread of people claiming they don't benefit from majority (white in the US) privilege. Like im back in highschool again!

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/images/concise.jpg

[Phades]

I'm sorry Phades, I'll go ahead and take your name off the list of people who have benefited from past discrimination right away.

I'm sure that sordid past of Native Americans and their treatment by the US government is a fair tradeoff for a scholarship for your friend.

Fair point because, after all, this did happen specifically to him and his family... oh wait, they lived on the same street as me... odd. And it wasn't the government that gave him the scholarship but the tribes.

Once again, you can't respond as to why someone should benefit who has felt no direct impact to themselves of past transgressions. We can all either live in the past, feeling sorry for our ancestors and keep playing the victim (thought none of it actually happened to US) or we can realize the opportunities that we have today and take advantage of them to make ourselves better. You're obviously a fan of the former.

[the soUL TRAder]

Fair enough. I did, in fact, attack you personally. But I'll still never be as racist as you are. And just so you know, widespread polygamy is a myth while racism is sitting in front of me, telling me to marry my daughter.

You're pathetic.

With 4 sentances, you just solidified his point. Nice!



See this is the problem, you two have an opinion about something that you know NOTHING about.

My statements were not racist, IDIOTS, they we're discriminatory against a religion. If you don't know the difference, you should probably sit this one out.

[Schnoogs]

Well, now I'm not sure which is more funny, the game or the reactions.

I definately know which is more stupid.......and it ain't the game.


So, if whites and others can buy it, how is it racist?
Not to mention, whites attend these schools, mostly to play sports and you will probably see some in the game, so the school themselves aren't rascist.

O....yeah......and why are there these so-called "Black Colleges"?

Right, because they weren't allowed to go to "white" colleges because of true racism.

Gain a little perspective, please.


The fact that it doesn't make sense to you speaks volumes. Ask youself this...how would you feel if EA marketed a game about the "White Football Experience"? I'm sure you and many other black americans would be lining up to buy it.

Give me a break dude and think about the true meaning of equality.

[Grimmjow]

This is going to be interesting

[sprankton]

I demand the next Def Jam fighting game be just white rappers with their music in the background.

It would be awesome.

[Phades]

Well it's been fun fellas. I got to get back to work and earn some $$ to take care of my family. Don't worry though, I'll make sure to recognize that it was my racial background that got me my job and not my own hard work.

[Schnoogs]

Don't worry clown, they're won't be too many AfricanAmerican's heading to Utah, you and your 5 wives will be OK..

You've shown your true colors with this bigoted comment. Racism and bigotry isn't any less of an indication of ignorance and stupidity when it comes from a minority my friend.

[Hawggy]

I would love to see that myself, but it we are so quick to equate a videogame with racism because it is about the "Black College Experience", do you think they will forgive us when they know what true racism is?

OK, check it: First off, I'm black - so there is no 'they'.

The reason why this equates to racism to some people (not me) is because it is a ripple effect from true racism. That's all it is really. It's a reaction from a time period that many of us may not totally understand unless we were born in 1920 or something.

Look: True racism occurred, and the backlash consisted of a demand for respect and equality from the truly victimized. The victimized felt the need to regain dignity, and this game is a ripple of what true racism created: The reaction of the victimizd to regain a sense of worth.

That's why there's a Black Entertainment TV, a NAACP, and so on. It's unneccesary now, and this game represents a continuance of this backlash. It's getting out of hand. The civil rights movement is over. We blacks have equal rights. Racism will never die - but stupid laws do.

[ZephidsEmbrace]

See this is the problem, you two have an opinion about something that you know NOTHING about.

My statements were not racist, IDIOTS, they we're discriminatory against a religion. If you don't know the difference, you should probably sit this one out.

I'm not talking about your making fun of a religion I'm not a part of. In fact, I could care less.

I'm talking about you making the most racist comments and posts in the entire thread and then claiming not to be racist. It makes you pathetic because you really think that you aren't racist at all, you're just "stickin' it to the white man." It's also pathetic that you won't even admit to that, because you think whites deserve any racist comments you can deliver anyway. But that's not racism, let's not worry about it.

This has nothing to do with who is in the minority. This has to do with who is racist. You know what? You'd be considered a die-hard racist here in good ole' Salt Lake City. I'm just happy I don't live where you do; racism would appear to be the norm according to you.

[jacktion]

Internet nerd boards are primarily white and jerky. So there is no wonder that this game is being lambasted.

I for one think it sounds awesome. That conference is a very interesting one.
And anything that competes with EA's monopoly on football is welcome.

First day sale!

[OUX]

Hmmm, you forgot the "does the roman empire still exist" part. It's kind of the key element.

Since most of the universities in question are less than a century old and (key words again) still operating with full knowledge of their racist past, exactly how is that relevant to your potential gripes with a dead society from long ago?

oh wait, it isn't.

Ok seriously the passive aggressive end to all your posts needs to go but that shit is annoying. I know you are not agreeing with me by responding to the post, you know that you are not agreeing with me by responding to the post, everyone, knows that you are not agreeing with me by responding to the post.

I was including the roman empire bit in my response as if they were still around I still wouldn't "look into it." As I mentioned it was a long ass time ago.

And also stop making the HBCU schools out to be victims as they were established after the Brown v. Board of Education and were a step in the right direction from the ridiculous persecution of the african american in the USA's past. A small step granted, but a step none the less.

[Lima Beans]

Well it's been fun fellas. I got to get back to work and earn some $$ to take care of my family. Don't worry though, I'll make sure to recognize that it was my racial background that got me my job and not my own hard work.


While you speak in jest, there is absolutely nothing wrong with recognizing what benefits you may have gained from your majority privilege. Is that the only factor, or even one of the top 10 factors? obviously not. But going the other extreme and blinding yourself to it completely is just as ignorant.

[Phades]

OK, check it: First off, I'm black - so there is no 'they'.

The reason why this equates to racism to some people (not me) is because it is a ripple effect from true racism. That's all it is really. It's a reaction from a time period that many of us may not totally understand unless we were born in 1920 or something.

Look: True racism occurred, and the backlash consisted of a demand for respect and equality from the truly victimized. The victimized felt the need to regain dignity, and this game is a ripple of what true racism created: The reaction of the victimizd to regain a sense of worth.

That's why there's a Black Entertainment TV, a NAACP, and so on. It's unneccesary now, and this game represents a continuance of this backlash. It's getting out of hand. The civil rights movement is over. We blacks have equal rights. Racism will never die - but stupid laws do.

Nice post and I think you hit the nail on the head. Ok, now I'm going to work for real :)

[EmoryM]

Do past injustices entitle African-Americans to a double standard? There is no answer to this question that won't have someone branding you a racist. :confused:

[Hawggy]

Do past injustices entitle African-Americans to a double standard?

FUCK NO!! Why should they?

[Schnoogs]

Do past injustices entitle African-Americans to a double standard? There is no answer to this question that won't have someone branding you a racist. :confused:


Good question...the same can be asked of Jews and the Irish yet I don't see them milking history nearly as much. Plus the 1000 other groups that have had it rough at some point in time.

[Kelegacy]

what's in a name? It must be incredibly difficult, with your viewing options so limited to...nearly ever other station that is owned/operated/targeted towards primarily white audiences. The white man's got it so rough these days.

I'm saying a blatantly White Network. We'd never get away with it. They'd label it hate and KKK stuff.

I'm not racist in the least, but this stuff bugs me sometimes. Especially in today's world.

[walkstheplanes]

ITT: Everyone's a Little Bit Racist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q80m6zjCyIE)

[rjcc]

Fair point because, after all, this did happen specifically to him and his family... oh wait, they lived on the same street as me... odd. And it wasn't the government that gave him the scholarship but the tribes.

Once again, you can't respond as to why someone should benefit who has felt no direct impact to themselves of past transgressions. We can all either live in the past, feeling sorry for our ancestors and keep playing the victim (thought none of it actually happened to US) or we can realize the opportunities that we have today and take advantage of them to make ourselves better. You're obviously a fan of the former.

Perhaps you're not familiar with the laws of the country we live in, but in the United States, you are entitled to the legacy of your ancestors. If you'd like to change that, why not start with any number of wealthy families who will pass on much more than a "scholarship from the tribes". I'm sure your "friend" appreciates your assertion that he lives in the past. Since everything that was in the past...is in the past.

As long as the same government is in place then it is responsible for its history. Unless of course you're saying you're not happy with our government and advocate revolution. You don't hate freedom do you?

[Loki_09]

See this is the problem, you two have an opinion about something that you know NOTHING about.

My statements were not racist, IDIOTS, they we're discriminatory against a religion. If you don't know the difference, you should probably sit this one out.

How exactly is it that you have any clue what I know and what I don't? And while you're statements were not racist, they were discriminatory against a group of people. That is bigotry, which falls along the same line as racism. Please don't try and defend your slurs and insults by categorizing it as something other than hate.

[the soUL TRAder]

The fact that it doesn't make sense to you speaks volumes. Ask youself this...how would you feel if EA marketed a game about the "White Football Experience"? I'm sure you and many other black americans would be lining up to buy it.

Give me a break dude and think about the true meaning of equality.


Hey sweetness, I'm not Black.

As a matter of fact, I'm such the blond haired, blue-eyed devil that Hitler himself would toss my salad just because I told him to.

And it makes perfect sence to me, the rest of you are the confused ones.

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Halftime is usually by far the best part of these games. I would bet that even a black college football fan would pick up NCAA before this unless they attended one of the schools represented in the game. The scope is too narrow.

how much you wanna bet the halftime show in this has blonde thin big breasted white women?

On a completely unrelated note, why the FUCK do we need ANOTHER football game?

[Lima Beans]

I'm saying a blatantly White Network. We'd never get away with it. They'd label it hate and KKK stuff.

But, there are plenty of blatantly White networks and people are fine with that. You just dont need to label "the norm".

[The Continental]

Hmm I had never heard of Black College Football before.

Honestly I think that this is the problem with this entire thread. Living in Central Florida I've gotten to see first hand the culture that surrounds black college football, namely the annual Florida Classic, the football game between Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman College (both black schools). To say that this is anything less than a huge event would be doing it a terrible disservice, as it draws thousands upon thousands of students and alumni to the game and all but consumes the area for the weekend it takes place, much like a bowl game.

Black college football is very much an event the likes of which you will absolutely not find outside of the south, and it is spectacle that puts your average traditional college football game to shame. Be it the unique brand of party atmosphere, the almost family-like rivalry, or even the fact that just as many people come to see the bands compete at half-time as they do to see the football teams play, it really is something that needs to be experienced before it can be commented on.

Does that make it a good idea for a game? Honestly, I think it would be, were it not limited solely to the PC... But for everyone who continues to toe the "this game is racist" line, I ask only that seek some form of information on what it is you're arguing before adding your opinion. This game has nothing to do with the skin color of the players on the field, it is solely about the culture surrounding the sporting events at the schools participating, and it would serve you all well to look into that.

[Tabasco]

Perpetuating the trend of reverse racism is something that will bite minorities in the ass down the line. I run into more and more white kids who have had to put up with it their whole lives, and naturally they are becoming more and more racist the older they get. I just don't see it ending very well in the long run.

[rjcc]

I'm saying a blatantly White Network. We'd never get away with it. They'd label it hate and KKK stuff.

I'm not racist in the least, but this stuff bugs me sometimes. Especially in today's world.

Wow. it "bugs" you? That there isn't a "white" network? Exactly how would it differ from the other networks? I'm often bugged by the fact there isn't a blatantly "English speaking" network. Those damn latinos and asians have their channels in their language, I turn to CNN and have to hear someone talk about taking a siesta. It bugs me sometimes.

You're not at all concerned with fairness, you just want to feel endlessly catered to -- even though you are already. You can feel that way, but don't blame black people for it.

[Hawggy]

...the same can be asked of Jews and the Irish yet I don't see them milking history nearly as much.

Poor blacks milk it because the gov't keeps providing the nipple! Section 8 housing, Welfare, Affirmitive Action. Take all that fookin shyte away m8. It sukks. Get yer ass up and work! As long as you can make babies and get a check on the first of every month, the lazy and worthless folks of any ethnicity will continue to suckle.

These gov'ment programs exist to perpetuate this milking to drive votes. Votes run the show.

[OUX]

As long as the same government is in place then it is responsible for its history. Unless of course you're saying you're not happy with our government and advocate revolution. You don't hate freedom do you?
You jackass. My family, myself, my future kids have not done anything wrong. Who do you think fit the bill for this 'responsibility' the government has for all time.

[OUX]

Hey sweetness, I'm not Black.

As a matter of fact, I'm such the blond haired, blue-eyed devil that Hitler himself would toss my salad just because I told him to.

And it makes perfect sense to me, the rest of you are the confused ones.

There we go.

[the soUL TRAder]

How exactly is it that you have any clue what I know and what I don't? And while you're statements were not racist, they were discriminatory against a group of people. That is bigotry, which falls along the same line as racism. Please don't try and defend your slurs and insults by categorizing it as something other than hate.


How exactly?

You called my statements racist when they weren't.
That was a good indication to me you didn't know what you're talking about.

And, while I personally will never slur or insult someone for the situation they were born into, thus had no control over; on the other hand, I'll belittle someone's chioce to belive in a silly religion anytime I want.
If their faith isn't strong enough so as to ignore me, it's their problem, not mine.

[Loki_09]

I have this mental image of Bap watching this thread progress and twidling his thumbs, saying crazy shit like "Dance, my puppets" and laughing eeeeeeeeeeevilly. mwuahahahahahahha.

Probably not.... but it would be funny.

[ZeroOmegaZX]

You jackass. My family, myself, my future kids have not done anything wrong. Who do you think fit the bill for this 'responsibility' the government has for all time.

I agree, why should generations that grew up AFTER the civil rights movement have to pay for the previous generations mistakes. I've never done anything to any other minority or majority yet I'm crucified because I'm white. Please..... Explain that to me....

[RUSKULL]

What about the Nerd Football Xperience? At least I'd be able to identify with that :(

Nerds just don't get enough respect when it comes to sports.

[The Continental]

This wont end well...
Hate to say he told you so!

</Hives>

[the soUL TRAder]

I agree, why should generations that grew up AFTER the civil rights movement have to pay for the previous generations mistakes. I've never done anything to any other minority or majority yet I'm crucified because I'm white. Please..... Explain that to me....


In butt-fucked NY white people are actually strung on crosses?

THIS I gotta see.

[Lima Beans]

I agree, why should generations that grew up AFTER the civil rights movement have to pay for the previous generations mistakes. I've never done anything to any other minority or majority yet I'm crucified because I'm white. Please..... Explain that to me....

You aren't crucified, quite the contrary...

[OUX]

I have this mental image of Bap watching this thread progress and twidling his thumbs, saying crazy shit like "Dance, my puppets" and laughing eeeeeeeeeeevilly. mwuahahahahahahha.

Probably not.... but it would be funny.

I could totally see this. He had to see this coming.

[UnderHero5]

I'll just keep out of this one... *scuttles off*

[ZeroOmegaZX]

You aren't crucified, quite the contrary...

oh? tell that to the minority players on the basketball and football teams at siena college that loved to utter racial slurs to people they didnt even know

[OUX]

Hate to say he told you so!

</Hives>

Might want to get those checked out. :p

[the soUL TRAder]

There we go.

Thanks man!


I might have a few more spelling errors in previous posts, could you hunt those down and correct them, too?

Thanks.:D

[RUSKULL]

butt-fucked NY

People, please! such hate!

[OUX]

I just did that one because I can't resist irony on any level.

[bapenguin]

Wow. Drum Line and NCAA ? For a public figure, you aren't being a little...oh, I don't know? Out of line?

Excuse me? Seriously, how is it? That's what seems to be conveyed from the preview video. A College Football Video Game (NCAA) with a strong focus on music and black community (Drum Line). Am I really that out of line on that?

[Lima Beans]

oh? tell that to the basketball and football teams at siena college that loved to utter racial slurs to people they didnt even know


Sounds like you were traumatized.

[OUX]

Sounds like you were traumatized.

Naw they just tell you that you want to have sex with your mom on your dad's corpse.

EDIT: Damn you change it back! This one liner is useless without it!

[wezlypipz]

Whatever, the waste of money and effort that went into this game will be aknowledged when it flops. This will be a first and last, lesson learned.

[Mot Wakorb]

Excuse me? Seriously, how is it? That's what seems to be conveyed from the preview video. A College Football Video Game (NCAA) with a strong focus on music and community (Drum Line). Am I really that out of line on that?

I think the problem is... well, you just hit the nail on the head and apparently some people are rather thin-skinned.

[Hawggy]

I agree, why should generations that grew up AFTER the civil rights movement have to pay for the previous generations mistakes. I've never done anything to any other minority or majority yet I'm crucified because I'm white. Please..... Explain that to me....

I know - it sucks dude, and I agree with you, but you asked, so I'll give ya my opinion:

You are a victim of racism when you feel crucified - here's how: Because of the simple fact that you're white, you represent every person that has mistreated your judging person that shares your same skin pigment. In short - every idiot who reacts to racism by responding with racism makes you feel crucified. The ol' "I gotcha BACK!!", or "You started IT!!", whereas in fact you have nothing to do with the situation. It's a simple transfer of hate. Some people call it "reverse racism". I just call it racism. People hate you cause your white. That's just as insane as people hating you cause your black.

[Tabasco]

Wow. it "bugs" you? That there isn't a "white" network? Exactly how would it differ from the other networks? I'm often bugged by the fact there isn't a blatantly "English speaking" network. Those damn latinos and asians have their channels in their language, I turn to CNN and have to hear someone talk about taking a siesta. It bugs me sometimes.

You're not at all concerned with fairness, you just want to feel endlessly catered to -- even though you are already. You can feel that way, but don't blame black people for it.

It's people like you that make me wonder why I bother sticking up for minorities in the first place. You are the true racist here.

[grandepolloloco]

Dear god this game isn't even out yet and its causing more controversy than the entire GTA series lol

[sprankton]

Excuse me? Seriously, how is it? That's what seems to be conveyed from the preview video. A College Football Video Game (NCAA) with a strong focus on music and community (Drum Line). Am I really that out of line on that?

No, did no one else see the image with the football player and Nick Cannon in his Drum Line outfit?

[Kelegacy]

Wow. it "bugs" you? That there isn't a "white" network? Exactly how would it differ from the other networks? I'm often bugged by the fact there isn't a blatantly "English speaking" network. Those damn latinos and asians have their channels in their language, I turn to CNN and have to hear someone talk about taking a siesta. It bugs me sometimes.

You're not at all concerned with fairness, you just want to feel endlessly catered to -- even though you are already. You can feel that way, but don't blame black people for it.

Okay man.

What I'm talking about is equality. Blacks can call whites any racial slur they want, point and laugh at our dance moves, music, speech, but the second a white man says "nappy hair" or the N word, they get tarred and feathered and even careers can be destroyed.

Yeah, that's fair.

Again, I'm not racist at all and have black friends, but that's just foolish. A WFL game would be looked at as racist, hateful, and would be on every news network and blacklisted from retail shelves. And we all know it.

[gzsfrk]

<looks at calendar> Nope... it's not April 1st. Go figure.

Hypocritical idiocy.

[Loki_09]

How exactly?

You called my statements racist when they weren't.
That was a good indication to me you didn't know what you're talking about.



Even though I never actually called you a racist, my apologies, I should have clarified my original post: You're a bigot. Feel better?

[Zanch]

....And if white people made a football game with only whites, it'd be racist. Great job everyone.

[MJBuddy]

Man, I love news from over a year ago (On EvAv of all places, the creation of this game developing studio was reported, and we had the same conversation because this particular game was the only one listed in development on their website. We all declared the company a failure then too).

[Telefrog]

A few pages in, and I'm really glad about my decision to keep out of this one. All of you, please,do go on. This is very entertaining.

[Hagetaka]

It's people like you that make me wonder why I bother sticking up for minorities in the first place. You are the true racist here.

Amen. You're perpetuating the fire by insisting a schism RJCC; Can't you see that?

[OUX]

This is very entertaining.

No it is a damn shame.

[walkstheplanes]

Imagine a world where everyone in power in the US is black -- they have the majority of the highest paying jobs, less or no stigma attached to the color of their skin, and enslaved white folks in the colonial era. The whites, after struggling hard through decades of persecution and indignity manage to raise their status to be considered equals in terms of citizenship, yet still are stigmatized to some extent despite attempts at political correctness. Where the majority of media (games, TV, movies, news, etc) is based in a black world, yet whites still hold on strong to their heritage and their culture. Some whites have managed to move on despite all this, while others are still angry at the injustices done to them and the injustices (percieved or otherwise, of course) that continue.

Suddenly, someone makes a videogame about white football, a symbol of the proud heritage and struggles white people have had to go through. Chaos ensues on the intertubes, as people begin arguing as to why a white oriented game is A OK, while a black only game would be considered bigotry.

All the while us Asians males are still considered neutered by the general populace. :D

Long story short, just put yourself in their shoes if you're having trouble understanding this.

Anyways, I implore everyone participating in this thread to take it easy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q80m6zjCyIE)

A white oriented game would be considered racist. A black oriented game (like this) is also racist. It's just that in the context of our society and history, the racism in each holds very different meanings. Also, I'm very racist -- it goes with being a minority.

[Schnoogs]

Imagine a world where everyone in power in the US is black -- they have the majority of the highest paying jobs, less or no stigma attached to the color of their skin, and enslaved white folks in the colonial era. The whites, after struggling hard through decades of persecution and indignity manage to raise their status to be considered equals in terms of citizenship, yet still are stigmatized to some extent despite attempts at political correctness. Where the majority of media (games, TV, movies, news, etc) is based in a black world, yet whites still hold on strong to their heritage and their culture. Some whites have managed to move on despite all this, while others are still angry at the injustices done to them and the injustices (percieved or otherwise, of course) that continue.

Suddenly, someone makes a videogame about white football, a symbol of the proud heritage and struggles white people have had to go through. Chaos ensues on the intertubes, as people begin arguing as to why a white oriented game is A OK, while a black only game would be considered bigotry.

All the while us Asians males are still considered neutered by the general populace. :D

Long story short, just put yourself in their shoes if you're having trouble understanding this.

Anyways, I implore everyone participating in this thread to take it easy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q80m6zjCyIE)

A white oriented game would be considered racist. A black oriented game (like this) is also racist. It's just that in the context of our society and history, the racism in each holds very different meanings. Also, I'm very racist -- it goes with being a minority.

It's called a double standard and your post did little to justify it.

[rjcc]

Okay man.

What I'm talking about is equality. Blacks can call whites any racial slur they want, point and laugh at our dance moves, music, speech, but the second a white man says "nappy hair" or the N word, they get tarred and feathered and even careers can be destroyed.

Yeah, that's fair.

Again, I'm not racist at all and have black friends, but that's just foolish. A WFL game would be looked at as racist, hateful, and would be on every news network and blacklisted from retail shelves. And we all know it.

Yeah, its horrible what happened to your friend on the radio. I'm sure he's somewhere crying into his multi-million dollar settlement. and man, poor kramer got screwed. black guys call each other the n word, then threaten to shove pitchforks up each others asses and hang themselves "like they did in the old days". He just got confused.

of course you're not racist, you "have black friends". All you want is equality. That's why you've spent your life striving to have racist injustices overturned, and the most prickly one you've found so far...is a crappy cable TV network. good work kelegacy, the international equality fighters commend you.

[rjcc]

It's people like you that make me wonder why I bother sticking up for minorities in the first place. You are the true racist here.

You're right, thinking that most TV networks cater to a white audience is evidence that I'm a racist. I should go get some equality training.

[the soUL TRAder]

Even though I never actually called you a racist, my apologies, I should have clarified my original post: You're a bigot. Feel better?

Well, you actually did call me one.

When the clown from Utah called me racist, you said my bigotry proved him right.

So I feel better that now you seem to understand the difference, which was my point in making the bigoted statements to begin with.

[rjcc]

Amen. You're perpetuating the fire by insisting a schism RJCC; Can't you see that?


Dude, I'm personally responsible for keeping racism going. It's well known that racism by white people ended in roughly 1988. If it weren't for me and Jesse Jackson this whole "race" thing would be a distant memory.

[Schnoogs]

Yeah, its horrible what happened to your friend on the radio. I'm sure he's somewhere crying into his multi-million dollar settlement. and man, poor kramer got screwed. black guys call each other the n word, then threaten to shove pitchforks up each others asses and hang themselves "like they did in the old days". He just got confused.

of course you're not racist, you "have black friends". All you want is equality. That's why you've spent your life striving to have racist injustices overturned, and the most prickly one you've found so far...is a crappy cable TV network. good work kelegacy, the international equality fighters commend you.

You're justifying this game because of the actions of Kramer and Imus? So in other words you're projecting and stereotyping the negative behavior of a small few onto a much larger group and are therefore condoning discriminatory behavior along racial lines?

Last time I checked that's called racism. :rolleyes:

[OUX]

God dammit what did I say about this passive aggressive nonsense?

[walkstheplanes]

It's called a double standard and your post did little to justify it.

A white oriented game would be considered racist. A black oriented game (like this) is also racist. It's just that in the context of our society and history, the racism in each holds very different meanings. Also, I'm very racist -- it goes with being a minority.

It's all about context. Again, the racism inherent in both concepts are different from one another.

[Knite]

I've been trying to stay out of this... but... I'm a sucker... like a moth to a flame when it comes to racial shit.


First off.. to start with the game. I have 0... that's right 0 problem with this game being made. Honestly, if they can capture the excitement and regalia of a HBCU game, that's a GOOD thing. It's something interesting, with a history behind it, and puts a stick towards EA. All good things.

My problem is the way they are marketing the game. Xperience BLACK college football. Many (all?) HBCU schools take kids that are hispanic, white, asian, etc. Many of those teams, and the team's bands are not 100% "Black". Take pride in the HBCU schools fighting against racism of the day. Take pride in the fact that these schools offer an education to many people of all races that may not otherwise have been able to obtain education. But to market the game as a black game made by a black company for the black man... just rubs me the wrong way, just as it would as if it was blatantly all about whitey.


That all being said... the blatant smacking of racism in this thread is amazing, yet, not so. It shows quite clearly there is still a large racial devide in this country, that I don't see going away soon. While at one time racism was created because of rich white men owning poor black men, now racism perpetuates itself in many forms...

White americans who did not live through affirmative action, do not understand the pain, and grow up seeing opportunities given to minorities that they themselves cannot get.

Black americans growing up with parents that DID grow up during affirmative action, remembering the horrors, and teaching that pain and hoplessness feeling to thier children.

Constant mentioning of race any time something happens where one person is white, and another person is black.

Racism is so obviously still alive, but everyone keeps pointing fingers at each other, instead of looking at themselves and fixing what they can (oh... the media is horrible at this). I just can't wait until the aliens come down. Then we'll move from racism to xenophobia =)

[Xerxes]

I bet if the game was renamed, "The Classic" and put on consoles, it might be able to work. Let you choreograph you're battle of the band halftime show too.

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Well, you actually did call me one.

When the clown from Utah called me racist, you said my bigotry proved him right.

So I feel better that now you seem to understand the difference, which was my point in making the bigoted statements to begin with.

Almost every post and reply you have made has been aggressive toward someone, more aggressive than necessary, pointing out certain things that point to you holding some kinda *grudge* against anything said against minorities

[rjcc]

You're justifying this game because of the actions of Kramer and Imus? So in other words you're projecting and stereotyping the negative behavior of a small few onto a much larger group and are therefore condoning discriminatory behavior along racial lines?

Last time I checked that's called racism. :rolleyes:

where did I justify the game?

Where did I connect the actions of kramer and imus to the larger white populace?

Since kelegacy was the one who brought them up I mentioned them, and since you don't want to deal with the issue at hand you've created a strawman.

thanks, but no thanks.

[Schnoogs]

You're right, thinking that most TV networks cater to a white audience is evidence that I'm a racist. I should go get some equality training.

News flash for you...white people make up 70% of the US population and probably represent 80% of money spent from advertising. You see racism or segregation...others see statistics and common sense.

The day NBC stands for Non-Black-Channel I'll agree with you. Until then the BET represents a double standard.

[the soUL TRAder]

....And if white people made a football game with only whites, it'd be racist. Great job everyone.

Except the game we are referring to will have white players, so by your definition this is NOT racist.

[Schnoogs]

where did I justify the game?

Where did I connect the actions of kramer and imus to the larger white populace?

Since kelegacy was the one who brought them up I mentioned them, and since you don't want to deal with the issue at hand you've created a strawman.

thanks, but no thanks.

I guess one of the admins then inserted references to Kramer and Imus in your post. My bad.

[Ghostbear]

I just can't wait until the aliens come down. Then we'll move from racism to xenophobia =)
Indeed in the words of the Empire
Kill the Mutant
Burn the Heretic
Purge the Unclean
:D:D:D:D

thats a little Warhammer 40k for you guys :cool:

[rjcc]

God dammit what did I say about this passive aggressive nonsense?

Ha, I just noticed you're a fellow Bobcat.

[OUX]

Ha, I just noticed you're a fellow Bobcat.

You're shitting me? What year?

[rjcc]

I guess one of the admins then inserted references to Kramer and Imus in your post. My bad.

and where did I say I didn't mention them? riiiiiight, you're still making things up my friend.

[Schnoogs]

Except the game we are referring to will have white players, so by your definition this is NOT racist.

The issue that most people have raised is that if you created a game with the opposite name there would be a shitstorm in the media. Why is that?

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Racism is so obviously still alive, but everyone keeps pointing fingers at each other, instead of looking at themselves and fixing what they can (oh... the media is horrible at this). I just can't wait until the aliens come down. Then we'll move from racism to xenophobia =)

Oh god I can see it now. All those damn penis finger E.T.'s

[OUX]

Indeed in the words of the Empire
Kill the Mutant
Burn the Heretic
Purge the Unclean
:D:D:D:D

thats a little Warhammer 40k for you guys :cool:

I guard the Golden Throne with my Wolf brothers.

[DingBat]

of course you're not racist, you "have black friends". All you want is equality. That's why you've spent your life striving to have racist injustices overturned, and the most prickly one you've found so far...is a crappy cable TV network. good work kelegacy, the international equality fighters commend you.

I can't help but observe that you are conducting an argument about equality in a thread about a black FOOTBALL GAME and pointing fingers at someone else about the triviality of the injustices they talk about.

[rjcc]

You're shitting me? What year?

didn't say I finished, but I went, lol. I was just back on campus for a friend's wedding a few weeks ago. good old norton dining hall.

[rjcc]

I can't help but observe that you are conducting an argument about equality in a thread about a black FOOTBALL GAME and pointing fingers at someone else about the triviality of the injustices they talk about.

I haven't advocated equality at all, I'll leave that to my friend Kelegacy, it's his personal quest and I wouldn't want to take it from him. We all have our crosses to bear, and his is BET.

[Schnoogs]

and where did I say I didn't mention them? riiiiiight, you're still making things up my friend.

So in other words you did mention them. :rolleyes:

Which is funny because in your first response you denied any correlation between them and argument at hand.

Kind of hard to make things up when they actually show up in the thread and can be quoted! :rolleyes:

[OUX]

didn't say I finished, but I went, lol. I was just back on campus for a friend's wedding a few weeks ago. good old norton dining hall.

Damn, I was gonna say we should finish this discussion in the traditional Athens way by going to a bar drinking till we're shit face and then agreeing on getting some Goodfella's pizza.

[walkstheplanes]

Racism is so obviously still alive, but everyone keeps pointing fingers at each other, instead of looking at themselves and fixing what they can (oh... the media is horrible at this). I just can't wait until the aliens come down. Then we'll move from racism to xenophobia =)

Personally, I think it's fine to acknowledge race -- one's ancestry is as important as cultural and religious beliefs. That in itself is racist, but a racism that results in hate, fear, and discrimination in achieving goals in daily life (ie. discrimination in a race-neutral workplace) is what I find to be negative racism.

[2HeadedBoy]

http://www.bearpit.net/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif

[the soUL TRAder]

The issue that most people have raised is that if you created a game with the opposite name there would be a shitstorm in the media. Why is that?

For me, it would be the fact that there is no league called the "White College League" so they would be making up something purposefully racist.

Now, would I have suggest another name?...................Yes.

Would I sugget they name the league something else?..........Yes.

But is it purposefully racist to use "BlackCollegeLeague" as the title for a game about the "BlackCollegeLeague"?..................Of course not.

[rjcc]

Damn, I was gonna say we should finish this discussion in the traditional Athens way by going to a bar drinking till we're shit face and then agreeing on getting some Godfather's pizza.

as has been done many a time, followed by a ceremonial fall down the various hills on campus.

[Schnoogs]

For me, it would be the fact that there is no league called the "White College League" so they would be making up something purposefully racist.

Now, would I have suggest another name?...................Yes.

Would I sugget they name the league something else?..........Yes.

But is it purposefully racist to use "BlackCollegeLeague" as the title for a game about the "BlackCollegeLeague"?..................Of course not.

They're marketing it under the "Black College Experience". I'm not familiar with any league or organization with that name.

[opusdeath]

Nothing I've read in this thread has changed my mind that if White Football Experience was released it would cause an uproar.

[Schnoogs]

Nothing I've read in this thread has changed my mind that if White Football Experience was released it would cause an uproar.

That's because you have a keen understanding of the society you live in.

[the soUL TRAder]

Almost every post and reply you have made has been aggressive toward someone, more aggressive than necessary, pointing out certain things that point to you holding some kinda *grudge* against anything said against minorities


Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.
However, IMO, videogamers are one of the most racist and racially ignorant groups, as a whole, and it's something I really want to help change.

Videogames should be used to strengthen our similarities, not "call out" differences.

Will we live in a better society when AficanAmericans no longer "dwell" on the past racisms?...............Yes.

But first we must put it behind us.

And a good way of doing that for gamers is to stop making such a big deal out of meaningless shit like this.

[Schnoogs]

However, IMO, videogamers are one of the most racist and racially ignorant groups, as a whole, .

Oh really? Care to back that up.

[walkstheplanes]

Nothing I've read in this thread has changed my mind that if White Football Experience was released it would cause an uproar.

I don't think anyone's denying that.

[walkstheplanes]

Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.
However, IMO, videogamers are one of the most racist and racially ignorant groups, as a whole, and it's something I really want to help change.

Oh really? Care to back that up.

I would say that gamers are as racist AND DEFINITELY AS IGNORANT as everyone else in the world. In the face of anonymity on the internets, people can be more open about it.

[Knite]

Personally, I think it's fine to acknowledge race -- one's ancestry is as important as cultural and religious beliefs. That in itself is racist, but a racism that results in hate, fear, and discrimination in achieving goals in daily life (ie. discrimination in a race-neutral workplace) is what I find to be negative racism.

I agree. However, there's a HUGE difference between taking pride in your racial, cultural, or religious backgrounds, and using those as a way to leverage superiority through words or actions.

[the soUL TRAder]

Oh really? Care to back that up.

Can someone send him a 360 and a 24hr. gold membership.;)

[walkstheplanes]

I agree. However, there's a HUGE difference between taking pride in your racial, cultural, or religious backgrounds, and using those as a way to leverage superiority through words or actions.

Absolutely true, yes, absolutely true there is a huge difference. I was only trying to point out that racism is inherent in everyone. And like the Force, there is the dark side (fear, hate, anger) and a light side (candy, bubblegum, icecream).

[the soUL TRAder]

I would say that gamers are as racist AND DEFINITELY AS IGNORANT as everyone else in the world. In the face of anonymity on the internets, people can be more open about it.

OK, maybe I agree here.

Gamers ACT more racist than most, and the anonymity may be the real reason.

[Deadend]

Has anyone seen anything more on the game besides a trailer that has no-in-game footage?

[Schnoogs]

I would say that gamers are as racist AND DEFINITELY AS IGNORANT as everyone else in the world. In the face of anonymity on the internets, people can be more open about it.

If gamers are as racist as everyone else then you might as well just say..."everyone is racist and ignorant".

The original quote said they were "one of the MOST". I don't think we stand out anymore than any other group.

[Schnoogs]

OK, maybe I agree here.

Gamers ACT more racist than most, and the anonymity may be the real reason.

Or the fact that playing games online all day denotes either youth or a lack of employment ;)

So in other words young people and unemployed people are racist! :p

[walkstheplanes]

If gamers are as racist as everyone else then you might as well just say..."everyone is racist and ignorant".

If you actually read my posts, that's what I've been saying all along. Sheesh.

[Squidbot]

That's odd, I thought this was a thread about football, but it's about a sport where they use their hands to travel with the ball. Huh.

Nur nur nur

[walkstheplanes]

That's odd, I thought this was a thread about football, but it's about a sport where they use their hands to travel with the ball. Huh.

Nur nur nur

Foot...ball...? Hands? Travelling? You've lost me.

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Foot...ball...? Hands? Travelling? You've lost me.

craziness!

[cppcrusader]

I'm just gonna jump in here and say I'm slightly intrigued due only to the interactive half time shows.




I've secretly harbored a desire for a marching band game for years.

[RUSKULL]

Hmm, I wonder what Derek Smart has to say about this.

Yes, where is Derek Smart?

I too would like to know what he thinks!

Me too!

[RUSKULL]

oh wait, did I just post that all under one profile? :D

[ZeroOmegaZX]

I'm just gonna jump in here and say I'm slightly intrigued due only to the interactive half time shows.


me too........... *practices grabbing large breasts*

[Schnoogs]

If you actually read my posts, that's what I've been saying all along. Sheesh.

You weren't the guy I was quoting originally.

[RUSKULL]

It shows quite clearly there is still a large racial devide in this country, that I don't see going away soon.



Would you say the way to eliminate this divide would be by separating college football (or anything else for that matter) by race? What's wrong with just regular "college football" where it's not about the color of your skin?

[Generation ABXY]

This is why I love the freedom of speech: It gives anyone the right to say whatever they want, no matter how fucking stupid it is. Take that as you will...

[Mot Wakorb]

This is why I love the freedom of speech: It gives anyone the right to say whatever they want, no matter how fucking stupid it is. Take that as you will...

Freedom of speech gives you the right to speak, but not the right to be heard, fortunately. People can stand up on their soapbox all day, nobody has to listen.

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Would you say the way to eliminate this divide would be by separating college football (or anything else for that matter) by race? What's wrong with just regular "college football" where it's not about the color of your skin?

Exactly why not make it about the COLLEGE football experience. SHOULD there be a difference depending on what color your skin, or shape of your head, or number of arms you have? no... The need for this game being made is the same as a need for the Neo Nazi College Football Experience... The idea of the game only furthers stereotypes and causes unrest within the people that are supposed to be getting over this.

[Generation ABXY]

Freedom of speech gives you the right to speak, but not the right to be heard, fortunately. People can stand up on their soapbox all day, nobody has to listen.

Oh, I know - you have no idea how many of the above posts I skipped over as I made my way here. :p

[Knite]

Would you say the way to eliminate this divide would be by separating college football (or anything else for that matter) by race? What's wrong with just regular "college football" where it's not about the color of your skin?

Did you even read my post or just that line? =) That's what I was saying. I support the game about HBCU college football, I do not support the marketing.


Exactly why not make it about the COLLEGE football experience. SHOULD there be a difference depending on what color your skin, or shape of your head, or number of arms you have? no... The need for this game being made is the same as a need for the Neo Nazi College Football Experience... The idea of the game only furthers stereotypes and causes unrest within the people that are supposed to be getting over this.

This part, I don't agree with. Those schools have just as much right to have a video game made of as NCAA schools, or even High Schools. I have no problem with it. The HBCU institutions do have a rich heritage, and games between the schools in it DO have a slightly different feel than NCAA games. Almost more... pagentry?

[ZeroOmegaZX]

Did you even read my post or just that line? =) That's what I was saying. I support the game about HBCU college football, I do not support the marketing.




This part, I don't agree with. Those schools have just as much right to have a video game made of as NCAA schools, or even High Schools. I have no problem with it. The HBCU institutions do have a rich heritage, and games between the schools in it DO have a slightly different feel than NCAA games. Almost more... pagentry?

Because if there was an all WHITE football game, where it explicitly said "Get into the experience of WHITE football" activists would be all over it like Jack Thompson on Take 2

[Sandman]

Because if there was an all WHITE football game, where it explicitly said "Get into the experience of WHITE football" activists would be all over it like Jack Thompson on Take 2

Actually, they would call it the Redneck Football Game and not get any heat for it whatsoever because they were putting down southerners.

[pomeroy]

Honestly I think that this is the problem with this entire thread. Living in Central Florida I've gotten to see first hand the culture that surrounds black college football, namely the annual Florida Classic, the football game between Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman College (both black schools). To say that this is anything less than a huge event would be doing it a terrible disservice, as it draws thousands upon thousands of students and alumni to the game and all but consumes the area for the weekend it takes place, much like a bowl game.

Black college football is very much an event the likes of which you will absolutely not find outside of the south, and it is spectacle that puts your average traditional college football game to shame. Be it the unique brand of party atmosphere, the almost family-like rivalry, or even the fact that just as many people come to see the bands compete at half-time as they do to see the football teams play, it really is something that needs to be experienced before it can be commented on.

Does that make it a good idea for a game? Honestly, I think it would be, were it not limited solely to the PC... But for everyone who continues to toe the "this game is racist" line, I ask only that seek some form of information on what it is you're arguing before adding your opinion. This game has nothing to do with the skin color of the players on the field, it is solely about the culture surrounding the sporting events at the schools participating, and it would serve you all well to look into that.


I love you.

[randir14]

Is this game going to replace all the non-black players with fictional black ones?

[bapenguin]

Did you even read my post or just that line? =) That's what I was saying. I support the game about HBCU college football, I do not support the marketing.

If it was called HBCU College Football we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

[GodFather]

Internet nerd boards are primarily white and jerky. So there is no wonder that this game is being lambasted.

I for one think it sounds awesome. That conference is a very interesting one.
And anything that competes with EA's monopoly on football is welcome.

First day sale!

Im waiting for the all Italian football game so if we dont like how the game is going we can just whack ya!
I slappa your face!!!

[lockwoodx]

Dam I'm gonna have to photo shop the beer out of katrina looters hands and replace it with this turd instead.

[HardScores]

One look at the game's page and you can already tell the misogyny is strong with this one. I'm pretty sure they have booty-shakers at the real games too, clad in tight golden outfits. I guess the developer took EA Sports' credo: "If it's in the game, it's in the game."

[Darkbase]

Honestly I think that this is the problem with this entire thread. Living in Central Florida I've gotten to see first hand the culture that surrounds black college football, namely the annual Florida Classic, the football game between Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman College (both black schools). To say that this is anything less than a huge event would be doing it a terrible disservice, as it draws thousands upon thousands of students and alumni to the game and all but consumes the area for the weekend it takes place, much like a bowl game.

Black college football is very much an event the likes of which you will absolutely not find outside of the south, and it is spectacle that puts your average traditional college football game to shame. Be it the unique brand of party atmosphere, the almost family-like rivalry, or even the fact that just as many people come to see the bands compete at half-time as they do to see the football teams play, it really is something that needs to be experienced before it can be commented on.

Does that make it a good idea for a game? Honestly, I think it would be, were it not limited solely to the PC... But for everyone who continues to toe the "this game is racist" line, I ask only that seek some form of information on what it is you're arguing before adding your opinion. This game has nothing to do with the skin color of the players on the field, it is solely about the culture surrounding the sporting events at the schools participating, and it would serve you all well to look into that.

QFT again

I love how there's almost 200+ replies of "OMFG, BET THERE'D BE AN OUTCRY IF THIS WAS ALL WHITE, BUT THIS IS SEEN AS OKAY!". This is the most popular thread on the site even.

[Evil Avnovice]

I don't know whether to lolz or just hang my head in shame. http://mazeguy.net/sad/sigh.gifhttp://mazeguy.net/sad/sweatdrop.gif

As much as I love my iShangri-la, this thread proves that even the best gaming website out there has a few skeletons in its closet.

[Schnoogs]

Honestly I think that this is the problem with this entire thread. Living in Central Florida I've gotten to see first hand the culture that surrounds black college football, namely the annual Florida Classic, the football game between Florida A&M and Bethune-Cookman College (both black schools). To say that this is anything less than a huge event would be doing it a terrible disservice, as it draws thousands upon thousands of students and alumni to the game and all but consumes the area for the weekend it takes place, much like a bowl game.

Black college football is very much an event the likes of which you will absolutely not find outside of the south, and it is spectacle that puts your average traditional college football game to shame. Be it the unique brand of party atmosphere, the almost family-like rivalry, or even the fact that just as many people come to see the bands compete at half-time as they do to see the football teams play, it really is something that needs to be experienced before it can be commented on.

Does that make it a good idea for a game? Honestly, I think it would be, were it not limited solely to the PC... But for everyone who continues to toe the "this game is racist" line, I ask only that seek some form of information on what it is you're arguing before adding your opinion. This game has nothing to do with the skin color of the players on the field, it is solely about the culture surrounding the sporting events at the schools participating, and it would serve you all well to look into that.


Exactly...it has nothing to do with skin color. Which is why it's named after a skin color...consists of schools that are similar in the skin color of the demographics they're aiming to cater to....and the fact that its being marketed using references to skin color. :rolleyes:

I'm so glad you cleared this up for everyone. You know what? This still wouldn't be possible if this was a game about something white. You can try and rationalize the double standard away all you want.

[The Continental]

Exactly...it has nothing to do with skin color. Which is why it's named after a skin color...consists of schools that are similar in the skin color of the demographics they're aiming to cater to....and the fact that its being marketed using references to skin color.

I'm so glad you cleared this up for everyone. You know what? This still wouldn't be possible if this was a game about something white. You can try and rationalize the double standard away all you want.

I'm not defending the name of the game, I agree it's in rather poor taste and will likely do more harm than good in terms of marketing, I'm instead defending the concept and the content. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, had they just called the game "The Classic", this thread's replies would be in the single digits. There would be no outcry from all the socially oppressed white males we seem to have on this site. :)

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go continue fighting off the high paying job offers, educational oppurtunities, and a sea of entertainment and industry tailored to my every whim. Being a 20 something upper middle class white male in America, is a new fight every day.

Stay strong my brothers. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go continue fighting off the high paying job offers, educational oppurtunities, and a sea of entertainment and industry tailored to my every whim. Being a 20 something upper middle class white male in America, is a new fight every day.:

I wouldnt know. As a white male in America I spent my 20's in the military, paying my way through college while working 2 jobs, then selling my ass off for over a year trying to get a job and then going to grad school in the evenings where I actually have to do my own HW and tests and not receive automatic A's because of my skin color.

I guess noone ever showed me where the free hand outs are for white guys :rolleyes:

All the while my Asian buddies growing up had cars for graduation gitfs, went to USC on their parents tabs and had jobs given to them by other Asians. I guess they must have pretended to be white because life is incredibly unfair and difficult for non white people. :rolleyes:

Then there's my black girlfriend who's parents own probably 7 houses all of which are more valuable than the house my parents have had for 20 years (dad is a vietnam vet and government worker...I guess they must have thought he was a minority when they handed out gold bars).

[Sandman]

Are you the gatekeeper?

[Darkbase]

I wouldnt know. As a white male in America I spent my 20's in the military, paying my way through college while working 2 jobs, then selling my ass off for over a year trying to get a job and then going to grad school in the evenings where I actually have to do my own HW and tests and not receive automatic A's because of my skin color.

I guess noone ever showed me where the free hand outs are for white guys :rolleyes:

All the while my Asian buddies growing up had cars for graduation gitfs, went to USC on their parents tabs and had jobs given to them by other Asians. I guess they must have pretended to be white because life is incredibly unfair and difficult for non white people. :rolleyes:

Then there's my black girlfriend who's parents own probably 7 houses all of which are more valuable than the house my parents have had for 20 years (dad is a vietnam vet and government worker...I guess they must have thought he was a minority when they handed out gold bars).

Statisticly speaking, your "Internet-argument" life story is extremely rare.

[OUX]

Well personally I don't think that I have said anything that should be terribly offensive or as some of the some lurkers would classify as an idiot. Except of course the people that prefer burrito buggie to godfella's pizza but fuck that noise.

[Schnoogs]

Statisticly speaking, your "Internet-argument" life story is extremely rare.

Actually not its not. In terms of pure numbers there are more poor white people in America than black. Percentage wise there are less though.

When I was in the Army I wasnt the only white guy there also :p

Keep fueling those stereotypes though man. Which is why we see milloinaire rap stars and athletes complaining about how the white man is keeping them down despite the fact that they are wealthier and more powerful than 90% of the white population. I wonder who's keeping them down? The jews? :rolleyes:

[BreakerX]

Are you the gatekeeper?

Are you the keymaster?

[GodFather]

In I wonder who's keeping them down? The jews? :rolleyes:

well of course the jews(heebs) are keeping them down, but thats not it!! Why there are many more who is keepin the man down, and that would be the beaners, camel jockey's, charlie, chinks, crackers, curry-munchers, dinks, eskimos, greaseballs, gringos, limeys, polacks, ragheads, zipperhead, and of course the wops!

Am I missing anyone?

[rein]

This entire thread is sickening.

[The Continental]

I wouldnt know. As a white male in America I spent my 20's in the military, paying my way through college while working 2 jobs, then selling my ass off for over a year trying to get a job and then going to grad school in the evenings where I actually have to do my own HW and tests and not receive automatic A's because of my skin color. Must be your sunny disposition and moderate political views holding you back then.

[Knite]

If it was called HBCU College Football we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
I'm not defending the name of the game, I agree it's in rather poor taste and will likely do more harm than good in terms of marketing, I'm instead defending the concept and the content. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, had they just called the game "The Classic", this thread's replies would be in the single digits. There would be no outcry from all the socially oppressed white males we seem to have on this site. :)

Penguin and Continental... you are both my heroes. If I had a cookie I'd share it with you both =)
Both of you nailed my point exactly.

[Conductor_Grey]

This isn't anything new under the sun. And it's a fucking shame.

Someone was right on here. If it was named HBCU Football there wouldn't be a problem. But instead of attacking HBCU Football, ya'll should be throwing jabs at the marketing department on both sides.

It makes me think...did they know that this was going to cause such an uproar? Have they finally found a new 'radical' market to make money? Remember, bad pub is better than no pub at all. My office is near our marketing group, they concurred upon hearing this.

P.S. Schnoogs. Do you really care or pay attention to what rich rap stars and athletes say? Black or white for that matter? Being a product of 'Jungle Fever', I don't have time to listen to people who have too much money for their own good. Please tell me you acknowledge that they don't speak for the black population. That's all I want to hear.

[Schnoogs]

P.S. Schnoogs. Do you really care or pay attention to what rich rap stars and athletes say? Black or white for that matter? Being a product of 'Jungle Fever', I don't have time to listen to people who have too much money for their own good. Please tell me you acknowledge that they don't speak for the black population. That's all I want to hear.

Don't put words in my mouth please :rolleyes:

[Conductor_Grey]

well of course the jews(heebs) are keeping them down, but thats not it!! Why there are many more who is keepin the man down, and that would be the beaners, camel jockey's, charlie, chinks, crackers, curry-munchers, dinks, eskimos, greaseballs, gringos, limeys, polacks, ragheads, zipperhead, and of course the wops!

Am I missing anyone?

Dude...'the man' is usually known as the white man, not the black man.

And as a black/white man...you seem to know a lot more slurs than I do.

[Schnoogs]

Dude...'the man' is usually known as the white man, not the black man.

And as a black/white man...you seem to know a lot more slurs than I do.

He was talking about the white man not the black man. I originally stated that white people such as myself that actually had to work for a living and weren't handed gold bars at birth were clearly being held down by someone. He then took it the next level! ;)

[bapenguin]

I gotta say, as far as this thread has gone, in both directions, I'm really proud of the community as a whole for not bringing the N word to the table.

[Conductor_Grey]

Don't put words in my mouth please :rolleyes:

Oh, I was just asking a simple question Schnoogs. And it seems I got a pretty simple answer...:rolleyes: If you didn't want to answer, just say so man. It won't offend me.

By the way, :rolleyes:, is overkill.

:rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I gotta say, as far as this thread has gone, in both directions, I'm really proud of the community as a whole for not bringing the N word to the table.

Has that been a problem in the past? I can't really imagine anyone here using it.

[Conductor_Grey]

He was talking about the white man not the black man. I originally stated that white people such as myself that actually had to work for a living and weren't handed gold bars at birth were clearly being held down by someone. He then took it the next level! ;)

Then it's a misread on my part and that's my bad.

[Schnoogs]

Oh, I was just asking a simple question Schnoogs. And it seems I got a pretty simple answer...:rolleyes: If you didn't want to answer, just say so man. It won't offend me.

By the way, :rolleyes:, is overkill.

:rolleyes:


Ever heard of the Strawman Argument?

Don't attribute statements to me that I never made (hence why you didn't quote) and then say that because I didn't answer your question I must be avoiding it.

I never even suggested what you implied so your question was meaningless since it had nothing to do with me.

It's like the old "Have you always been a murderer?"

If you have questions for me at least ask me ones that relate to comments that I made not ones that you made up. :rolleyes:

[OUX]

rein and others I understand that this may not be your cup of tea and when I woke up this morning I was not, "Oh I hope I get in a race debate," but I think these kinds of discussions are important. Yes, they come with some flames, and in the anonymous posting people say more than they normally would but that is a good thing too. Racism is an extremely personal thing, everyone has different views and experiences with it, so it is only natural that these interactions carry a certain amount of clashing with them. I think these topics are important to have because regardless of racism everyone is raced to some degree. Either not understanding a culture or just being brought up with the completely wrong views of one create a tension between people, as individuals and as groups within the whole.

Every person that posted on here had a valid point. Since there is no racism other than what we choose to create, Schnoogs' experience is just as valid as the soul trader's, or rjcc's experience. What is good about these kinds of discourses are that they allow an honesty into the minds of the people reading them. Whether people agree or disagree they can't unread what they have read and have a new perspective to move from in the future. These kinds of dialog have to occur because without these honest, brutal, and for the most part civil talks not only will nothing change, but nothing can change.

[rein]

rein and others I understand that this may not be your cup of tea...

I get what you are saying but some of the things said in this thread is a slap in the face of any person who has stood up and fought for racial equality. I was going to speak on specifics but I decided to delete it and move on. It would just be adding more fuel to the fire. As BA said, at least there were no N-words typed.

The funny thing is, I'm not even sure this game exist now or ever will.

[Xerxes]

Can you play as TSU in NCAA 08?

[bean19]

I really hope that there is a game dynamic that is all about not letting the white man keep you down.

[Utils]

The day NBC stands for Non-Black-Channel I'll agree with you. Until then the BET represents a double standard.

I suppose you feel the same about The Arabic Channel, Telemundo, Asia TV and BBC?

[Utils]

Oh really? Care to back that up.

Every black person that's chatted on xbox live longer than a week has been called a nigger at least a thousand times.

I imagine other races get the same special treatment! Like I'm sure Asian people get called gook if they have an accent. I can only speak for us blacks though.

Though, being called nigger usually means I'm spanking the shit out of the other player so I take it in stride. ;9


LOL Fight Games.

This is why I love the freedom of speech: It gives anyone the right to say whatever they want, no matter how fucking stupid it is. Take that as you will...
Why to people keep yammering about freedom of speech on privately owned message boards on the Internet? Am I alone when I think that's stupid? Dude, you don't have freedom of speech here. The INTERNET is not the United States!

It's such a pet peeve...

[pomeroy]

I really hope that there is a game dynamic that is all about not letting the white man keep you down.

Wow. Good one! :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I suppose you feel the same about The Arabic Channel, Telemundo, Asia TV and BBC?

First off some of those are foreign so not even applicable to the conversation at hand(I didn't realize British was a skin color).

Second off I doubt Telemundo viewers in Venezuela would care too much if there was a "English Channel". The issue isn't the existence of these channels...it's the fact that here in the US there would be a shit storm if Ted Turner created WET.

[Schnoogs]

Every black person that's chatted on xbox live longer than a week has been called a nigger at least a thousand times.

I imagine other races get the same special treatment! Like I'm sure Asian people get called gook if they have an accent. I can only speak for us blacks though.

Though, being called nigger usually means I'm spanking the shit out of the other player so I take it in stride.

So this is what passes for statistical evidence these days. Well in that case I'm now THOROUGLY convinced that gamers are "some of the most" racist individuals out there. :rolleyes:

[Hawggy]

I gotta say, as far as this thread has gone, in both directions, I'm really proud of the community as a whole for not bringing the N word to the table.

Spoke 2 soon Bap.

Every black person that's chatted on xbox live longer than a week has been called a nigger at least a thousand times.

Weird.... Never happened to me. I've been on XBL for months.

[Virtuoso]

Wow, you people obviously don't realize that having a game that allows the player a look into an HBCU isn't racist. Is it really their fault that the white people that go to HBCUs aren't as talented as the black people that go there?

Also, as far as spelling experience without the "e", I'm pretty sure Bill Gates started that (ever what the xp in windows xp stood for?), and hes whiter than dry wall.

[Schnoogs]

Wow, you people obviously don't realize that having a game that allows the player a look into an HBCU isn't racist. Is it really their fault that the white people that go to HBCUs aren't as talented as the black people that go there?

Also, as far as spelling experience without the "e", I'm pretty sure Bill Gates started that (ever what the xp in windows xp stood for?), and hes whiter than dry wall.

My only response to this post is.....WHAT THE FUCK?

[MaxDuo]

Does the roman empire still exist and operate? If it did, then I would certainly recommend you look into it.

However since those specific universities and institutions are still operating, I think your comparison is irrelevant, not that it would matter to you. Black people should just be happy they can get in now, who cares what happened in the past? Everyone wants to forget the past...except when it potentially benefits them.

If those universities want to wipe the books of their history, I invite them to do so, but don't be selective about it.

I know this has been probably covered by now, but I don't feel like reading all 12 pages of this thread....

I don't understand this post. Sure the way blacks were treated in the past sucks. And it never should've happened.... But should we have some kind of thing where we have to pay them back for centuries before we can say it's ok? Or is it supposed to be that the white race is eternally damned for having wronged the blacks? Many of the people in charge of the universities aren't the same ones as in the past. And it's not like they said: "Hey, this place once said no to blacks, I WANT TO WORK THERE!!!!" So what are you holding so accountable? The buildings? The ground?

You say "However since those specific universities and institutions are still operating" so should they all be shut down and never brought back or something? Granted, I know you were combatting his Roman Empire crushing his ancestors thing, but I don't see how the sins of the past people should be fully on those of today. Oh well.


That being said, this game looks ridiculous. Is it just me, or are the limbs of the football players very....strange... looking? Also the dancing marching band guys make me laugh.

[the soUL TRAder]

Some of you are real idiots.

Do you actually expect AfricanAmericans to just "get over" slavery, lynching, wrongful imprisonment and murder?

But, of course, if your videogame console breaks down or IGN gives your favorite game a 5/10, that a transgression you never forgive.

Grow up and get over yourselves.

[VenomUSMC]

Soul Trader...
Im sorry I don't recall having any slaves. I don't recall lynching anyone.
Have other races not been wrongfully imprisoned and murdered?
How many blacks in the US today can tell me about how they were slaves? I don't know of any.
Trying to punish every white person for something that was done to someone for being black back then is not right.
Is there racism now? Sure there is. Is it purely from one race against another? Most certainly not.
The bottom line is if you had an All White Football game it'd be A: unrealistic and B: people would go crazy and the NAACP would all over them.
If people want to get rid of racism they need to stop using color as a topic. Why is having an all Black football game right?
Can you sit there and tell me if there was a White Entertainment Channel there wouldn't be public outcry against it? Racism isn't right, either way you go.

[the soUL TRAder]

Soul Trader...
.............
Trying to punish every white person for something that was done to someone for being black back then is not right.
...............
The bottom line is if you had an All White Football game it'd be A: unrealistic and B: people would go crazy and the NAACP would all over them.
Why is having an all Black football game right?
............
Can you sit there and tell me if there was a White Entertainment Channel there wouldn't be public outcry against it? Racism isn't right, either way you go.


First, I don't see how whites are being punished, but it would be wrong if they were.

Second, I think you are missing the point: these black colleges have WHITE PLAYERS. This is not a game with "blacks only". If it were, than it might be racist.

Finally, I agree NO RACISM IS RIGHT.
But, things like BET and NAACP don't damage non blacks, they could be named better, they're not racist though.

My question is: why do you guys care so much?

If AfricanAmericans use these organizations to lift themselves up and make them feel better about themselves, why should the double standard bother you so much?

I'm not saying it's right, but just that we as non blacks should be able to let it roll off our sholder. Especially if it helps heal the anger.

[Ninjafoot]

Wow...This ought to sell like...dog turds or syphilis.

[baz]

If it was called HBCU College Football we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

I'm not from the USA, but from what I can tell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_college_football_national_championship) black college football seems to be a fairly standard term for the league.

No where is the game marketed as the Black Football Experience (as other posters have stated - not yourself bap), it is always Black College Football experience. I really see no problem with this at all.

I think too many people are way to touchy today! If anyone has a problem with the game, presumably they have a problem with HBCUs themselves?

[phantomhitman]

fuck the title, game, makers, and developers.

[Utils]

First off some of those are foreign so not even applicable to the conversation at hand(I didn't realize British was a skin color).
Yeah, that shows what little grasp you have of the concept. All the channels I listed are about the people and their culture. While you might see only skin color, I see a history that those people would like to preserve and celebrate. Yes, if you're from the UK and feeling a little homesick, why WOULDN'T you turn on BBC?

As far as WET is concerned, that's every other channel. Or if you want to be specific, CMT and TNN. I liked TNN. Hee-Haw is a funny show!

How is BET any different from the other channels I mentioned? Oh that's right, THEY'RE NOT.



Second off I doubt Telemundo viewers in Venezuela would care too much if there was a "English Channel". The issue isn't the existence of these channels...it's the fact that here in the US there would be a shit storm if Ted Turner created WET.

Then you REALLY need to get out more. I've traveled to a few countries and there's usually at least one or two English language channels!


It seems you're trying to make an issue of BET for some reason and I don't understand your problem with it. It's a silly example because as many have stated, there's no real need for WET. What would that even be?

Tell you what, as long as we're bullshitting here, tell me what WET would have on the programming schedule. Give me 24 program ideas. Go for it! Because with everybody yammering about it, there's clearly a void this imaginary ONE channel needs to fill!

Spoke 2 soon Bap.
Why? Because I said nigger and didn't use quotes? It was in perfect context. Sell your PC nonsense to someone else.
Weird.... Never happened to me. I've been on XBL for months.
The few. The proud!


So this is what passes for statistical evidence these days. Well in that case I'm now THOROUGLY convinced that gamers are "some of the most" racist individuals out there.
Gotta love when people grasp at straws like that. Graphical emoticon deleted due to the fact that they hurt my face.


Some of you are real idiots.

Do you actually expect AfricanAmericans to just "get over" slavery, lynching, wrongful imprisonment and murder?

I always love when people say, "That happened sooooooooooooooooooooo long ago!"

I mean, I still don't know how to respond to it. It's a pretty incredible mindset!

*points to Hawggy and smh*

[MaxDuo]

Yes... Why does Soul Trader keep bringing the past up? It sucks but it's not like we can do anything about it. We didn't do it and the ones around today didn't suffer it. We all need to know of it, sure, and learn from it and how we were wrong. But it's not like we can do anything about it...

[Schnoogs]

...


Possibly one of the saddest posts I've ever seen.

BTW...take a statistics class...do us all a favor! :p

[Schnoogs]

I think too many people are way to touchy today! If anyone has a problem with the game, presumably they have a problem with HBCUs themselves?

Yeah that's it. :rolleyes:

[Utils]

It sucks but it's not like we can do anything about it. We didn't do it and the ones around today didn't suffer it.
That's the type of defeatist attitude that keeps things the way they are. If shared that sentiment I'd never get anything done. I'd probably never leave the house!

I don't know what you mean by "suffering" or "we" but racism is alive and well. I might not be picking cotton but the beauty of racism is that's it's morphed and changed with the times! You can be a lot more sneaky about it.

And there's no point of talking about it with examples or whatever because some have either had it in their life or they haven't. And if you haven't, well, it's not something you WANT. Trust me!

[Utils]

Possibly one of the saddest posts I've ever seen.

BTW...take a statistics class...do us all a favor!

Isn't it great when a person on a message board plays the "I feel sad/sorry/praying" for you card to avoid responding and then gives shitty advice like, "go to school/go get laid/get a life?"

Yeah, that's not a cliche. Not at all.

What is this, the 90's? Come up with some new flames or don't flame at all, plz.

[Schnoogs]

That's the type of defeatist attitude that keeps things the way they are. !

I think what actually keeps things the way they are is the fact that so many white people perpetuate the whole "victocrat" mentality.

Like so many other white people I'm the descendant of immigrants who came here in the 1900's and have zero ancestral or financial connection to slavery. My great grand parents were poor Irish immigrants.

Then as soon as they got here they're off to WWI. Then my grandfathers went off to WWII.

Then you fast forward to today and I'm lumped in with some southern plantation owner as a racist White Man who's whole life has been a breeze because of my their skin color. My life has been a breeze because my ancestors passed down a solid work ethic and a "don't ask for anything" mentality. I served my country as well. Payed my own way through college.

[Schnoogs]

More Stupidity

When people try and use a game of Gears of War as proof that gamers are MORE racist they clearly need a crash course in both statistics and forensics (that's debate class in case you're scratching your head)