PS3 failure rates .02%?

[Serapth]

According to this article (http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=44736), yes, it is.


Sony claims PS3 failure rate of less than one per cent
PS3 failure rates are “around .02 percent” according to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe founder, Chris Deering while speaking at the Edinburgh Interactive Festival on Tuesday.

If accurate, that puts PS3 failure rates well below the industry average of three to five percent.

By comparison, some reports pin Xbox 360 failure rates as high as one third of all consoles in existence. As a result, Microsoft extended the Xbox 360 warranty from one to three years in July citing “an unacceptable number of repairs” without disclosing specific failure rates.

Nintendo has yet to reveal any failure rates for the Wii.


If its true, bravo Sony! That said... this is a Sony exec talking....

[KingGorilla]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.

[Doctor Setebos]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.I concur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2#Criticism). :rolleyes:

[Gorvi]

That seems about right from the sparse reports of any failed systems. Same goes for the Wii.

[KingGorilla]

One thing, one thing? But going back to the original handy cams, Walk Men, CD Players? That is one of the worst trolls I have ever seen Doc. Roll up your sleeve and show us your Microsoft tattoo.

[Philonious]

I concur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2#Criticism). :rolleyes:

Well at least they got they're act together this time... And at the current price of the console I would be mighty pissed if it broke down on me. Sure it doesn't quite give out blowjobs and puddings, but it also doesn't have me saying a tiny prayer every time I turn it on.

[Telefrog]

I find it highly impressive that any company exec is quoting a solid figure on the failure rate of their product. Of course, when you can quote a figure below a full point, then I guess it's a lot easier to do. I'll give it to Sony this time. Bravo for them!

[Doctor Setebos]

One thing, one thing? But going back to the original handy cams, Walk Men, CD Players? That is one of the worst trolls I have ever seen Doc. Roll up your sleeve and show us your Microsoft tattoo.HA! That's great. I have never owned a Microsoft system, but I'm obviously some sort of MS fanboy. Good one. :rolleyes:

And it was a marvelous troll post. You said Sony had a great history of launching quality products, and I pointed out that you were wrong. End of story. I win the thread. :D

[pheriannath]

Man, I must have won the lottery twice!

My first PS3 had an issue where anything disc-based would crash the system after about 5 minutes of playtime. PS1, PS2, PS3 games, DVDs and Blu-Ray movies all had the same result.

I sent it to Sony for repairs (their service was absolutely fucking stellar... I had a replacement system 3 days later) and received a replacement unit, which worked perfectly... until I put a disc in and noticed the slot loader only pulled the discs 95% of the way in, so it wouldn't actually read anything. Once again I called Sony up, explained the situation, and they sent me another replacement unit which has had absolutely no issues whatsoever.

Now I need some games for the damn thing.

[Lothair]

One thing, one thing? But going back to the original handy cams, Walk Men, CD Players? That is one of the worst trolls I have ever seen Doc. Roll up your sleeve and show us your Microsoft tattoo.

Dude, it isn't a troll. I had to replace Walkmen every six months to a year (this was around 97-99), I have a Sony DVD player that's a piece of crap (although still functional, it's just very slow and frequently annoying), and the PS2's were legendary at first for breaking. I'm not saying that everything that Sony makes is crap, most of it isn't. I am saying, though, that they have had their failures, and to say that they've been keeping amazing quality through all of their products is ridiculous.

Edit: Oh, god, and don't get me started on Sony's portable CD players. I can't believe actually bought another one.

Editx2: I guess I should point out that I just think that Sony has a normal failure rate for their products. They put out an amazing number of products every year, so obviously some of them are going to have flaws, so I'm not trying to knock Sony. It's all well and good to say "Nintendo's stuff has a much lower failure rate" and that would be true, but Nintendo also puts out about one big piece of hardware a year, which makes it a lot easier for them to keep consistent quality.

[TheFlyingOrc]

One thing, one thing? But going back to the original handy cams, Walk Men, CD Players? That is one of the worst trolls I have ever seen Doc. Roll up your sleeve and show us your Microsoft tattoo.
The PS2 was mocked incessantly for its failure rate. The PSP, in its early runs, had a pretty decent number of problems, as well.

The king of reliable hardware is Nintendo, at least in this industry.

edit: Also, I had a busted Wii initially.

[Wolvie]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.

Dude, no, the PS2 and the PS1 broke like nobody's business. The PS3 is the first non-borked system they've made. My brother went through FOUR PS1's and he's on his FIFTH PS2(and that one was one a friend left at his house). The 360 is pretty gawd awful, but saying the Playstaion has had better hardware, thats just, dude...



The king of reliable hardware is Nintendo, at least in this industry.

edit: Also, I had a busted Wii initially.

My super Nintendo STILL works. My N64 was sold to a guy I know, IT still works. Sold my gamecube to Gamestop... anyways my Wii has had a few software issues, but other then that, I've had zero problems with it, and expect it to work when my grandkids are born.

[Abednigo]

They wouldn't even be mentioning this if the 360 hadn't had so many issues. But I'd be interested to see the number of 360s sold vs the number that have failed compared to the PS3.

[Oxonian]

Isn't this actually a bad thing?

Think about it: Quality Control costs money. Like every other step in the manufacturing process, that money gets recouped through the prices Sony charges for the system, accessories, games, and development licenses. And like everything else, Quality Control is subject to diminishing returns: reducing failure rates from 20% to 2% costs less than reducing failure rates from 2% to 0.02%.

So Sony has decided to sell an extremely reliable but very expensive PS3. Let's say I offered you a deal: one of two PS3 systems, identical in every way, except one was $600 and had a 0.02% failure rate, while the other one was $500 and had a 2% failure rate. Which would you buy?

Note I'm not endorsing Microsoft's strategy here. But Sony could have included a free toaster oven in every PS3 box, too, for a slightly higher retail price. If I don't particularly need a toaster oven, it's not clear I should be jumping with joy over spending a lot more money for a very minor benefit.

[pheriannath]

My favorite PS2 error was the infamous "I can read DVDs just fine but all of my blue-back discs don't work anymore" bug. Oddly enough, I have a launch day PS2 that can still read everything just fine while most of my friends are on their second or third model.

I also chuckle at the fact that my current gen system tally is backwards:

360: First
PS3: Third

[KingGorilla]

At least Lothair understood what I said. In case some of you did not know, Sony makes a lot more hardware than the Playstation. And I will cop to the fact that my Walkman MP3 player was crap, but most of the Sony product I have had, or my family has had, has been flawless. My dad's Sony CD player lasted 23 years before it crapped out.

[Zagrash]

sounds like you've had worse luck than I have, but I would agree that Sony's service was quite good in this instance. I didn't quite have the 3 day turnaround, but from start (system breaking) to finish (getting a replacement unit) I didn't wait much more than 2 weeks total.


Man, I must have won the lottery twice!

My first PS3 had an issue where anything disc-based would crash the system after about 5 minutes of playtime. PS1, PS2, PS3 games, DVDs and Blu-Ray movies all had the same result.

I sent it to Sony for repairs (their service was absolutely fucking stellar... I had a replacement system 3 days later) and received a replacement unit, which worked perfectly... until I put a disc in and noticed the slot loader only pulled the discs 95% of the way in, so it wouldn't actually read anything. Once again I called Sony up, explained the situation, and they sent me another replacement unit which has had absolutely no issues whatsoever.

Now I need some games for the damn thing.

[Gorvi]

Wow, now that's spin, Ox.

[violentp]

If this number is true, it's quite impressive. I want to hear everyone here admit that so I don't have to start presuming I'm working with ignorant fucks here.

[Vermillion]

How can you know your PS3 is broken if you never play it? *tree falling in the woods phenom*

All kidding aside, that's an insanely good rate if true. But, just like with MS, I put the actual failure rate higher than what's quoted as PR. Either way though, it's obvious that the units are holding up pretty well after almost a year in service.

[Roc Ingersol]

So ... what Sony is trying to tell us, is that consumers don't give a shit about quality?

I mean, the PS2 had shit-tastic launch hardware and people bought the crap out of it.
Now, the 360 had shit-tastic launch hardware and people bought the crap out of it.

and the XBox and PS3, with their comparatively iron-clad hardware were pretty much left in a gaming ghetto.

Don't get me wrong: quality control is good. I just don't know what the point of making a big stink about it is - when the only lesson to take from it is that consumers genuinely don't care.

Not so long as the console with the shit-tastic launch hardware has more games.

[pheriannath]

How can you know your PS3 is broken if you never play it? *tree falling in the woods phenom*

I play PS2 games in it all the time!

[TrackZero]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.

I really really hope that's a joke. Just like my PS2 slim's uptime. 5 hours of play and then lockup, like clockwork. And it's a known issue with a large percentage of the units out there.

[Norse]

Most of the Sony products I've used have been really good. IMHO Sony, Samsung, Pioneer and Panasonic all have great hardware. The problem I have with PS3 and some other Sony products is that they make some strange design decisions. But overall I feel safe when buying Sony HW. I prefer X360 over PS3 at the moment, but that is because the game library and usability, not the hardware for sure.

[TrackZero]

I find it highly impressive that any company exec is quoting a solid figure on the failure rate of their product. Of course, when you can quote a figure below a full point, then I guess it's a lot easier to do. I'll give it to Sony this time. Bravo for them!

It's not solid when it's a claim from the person with a vested interest in fudging the data. It will be when large vendors can give data on returns for failures.

[Doctor Setebos]

If this number is true, it's quite impressive. I want to hear everyone here admit that so I don't have to start presuming I'm working with ignorant fucks here.Oh, I absolutely agree that this is awesome QA and that Sony should be really proud of this accomplishment.

But if I get the chance to derail a thread AND piss off KingGorilla in the process, I have no choice but to take the opportunity. :D

[digitalErich]

Say what you will about Sony, but any company would be stupid to not take advantage of abnormal failure rates (especially with the level MS is experiencing) in their competitor. Any smart company in Sony's place would do the same, simple as that.

[KingGorilla]

It didn't really piss me off. You want to make me snap, say you need a 2000 dollar PC to play Bioshock.

[Wolvie]

At least Lothair understood what I said. In case some of you did not know, Sony makes a lot more hardware than the Playstation. And I will cop to the fact that my Walkman MP3 player was crap, but most of the Sony product I have had, or my family has had, has been flawless. My dad's Sony CD player lasted 23 years before it crapped out.

Yeah Sony makes some damn fine hardware, my SOny DVD player has been going like a trooper for about three years now. But the subject at hand is their Consoles. And their console reliability history isn't that great. But hey, the PS3 seems to be moving them in the right direction. At least they learned from their past mistakes... lets hope MS does the same.

So ... what Sony is trying to tell us, is that consumers don't give a shit about quality?

I mean, the PS2 had shit-tastic launch hardware and people bought the crap out of it.
Now, the 360 had shit-tastic launch hardware and people bought the crap out of it.

and the XBox and PS3, with their comparatively iron-clad hardware were pretty much left in a gaming ghetto.

Don't get me wrong: quality control is good. I just don't know what the point of making a big stink about it is - when the only lesson to take from it is that consumers genuinely don't care.

Not so long as the console with the shit-tastic launch hardware has more games.

It's true, games make the system, not the hardware. Just remember, "it's the GAMES STUPID!"

[Norse]

It didn't really piss me off. You want to make me snap, say you need a 2000 dollar PC to play Bioshock.

You need a 2000 dollar PC to play Bioshock.

[violentp]

But if I get the chance to derail a thread AND piss off KingGorilla in the process, I have no choice but to take the opportunity. :D

Oh, well, yeah.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Wow, now that's spin, Ox.
I think he's correct, but that he's overstating the problem. Higher quality control probably is costing Sony money, but I think that's far down their list.

[Digital Outlaw]

You need a 2000 dollar PC to play Bioshock.

This is why I have never became a PC gamer.

[Oxonian]

Wow, now that's spin, Ox.
No, it's thoughtful analysis from an uninterested observer (PC gaming 4 life, dawg). But I can see how you'd make the mistake.

[Dr.Finger]

It didn't really piss me off. You want to make me snap, say you need a 2000 dollar PC to play Bioshock.Yeah. It's a $2,500 rig, minimum.

[Darinisawesome]

I may be an extreme outlier, but I'm on my 4th PS3. My first one was probably fine, but I called tech support on the initial BC issues, and they told me to send it in; the second and third ones broke while I was folding.

Fourth is a beast though! Super Stardust HD FTdub!

[KingGorilla]

For the most part hardcore gamers are not a reliable judge of hardware durability. I would generally wear out a controller every 8 months. I burned out 2 N64 units, 3 Xboxes. When I was playing Duke Nukem, I went through a keyboard every 9 months(I wore out CTRL keys like no tomorrow). We use our shit, a lot, and for a long time. If you do a lot of driving, you are going to go through tires and cares faster than someone who does not, the same applies to just about anything.

[Mashidar]

360 was my second hardware failure ever. PSone was one of the first systems that died on me but so far in the last few years I've ended up buying about 3-4 PS2 systems and I've never had a PS2 crap out on me. One I lost, another I gave away when I moved, another my wife bought when she and I lived apart, and the 4th one is to replace my father in law's system that I kinda broke last week when I dropped the unit on the floor while it was powered on.

Other than that though every system I've had from NES, SNES, Genesis, Dreamcast, and so on never had issues with hardware failure. But again the 360 is the first system that I did have die on me and the first system that I had to send in for repairs. Take that for what you want.

[RUSKULL]

This hasn't played out at all how I've expected.

[Wolvie]

True but I have never had a car go bad that I couldn't have up and running in a day or so.

[theevilnarwhale]

I dunno. My launch ps2 kinda crapped out after less than a year. Also 2 out 3 people I know in real life with ps3s have died. Not trying to troll or anything but thats just what happened.

[RUSKULL]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.

I have never known this to be true. Their hardware breaks about as much as any other middle ware to low end product. They are nowhere near being the image people often paint them as, and yet people continue to draw this image. Why?

[violentp]

I love how this whole thread is concentrated primarily on KG's comment and not the fact that in an age where most 360's die that this news comes as somewhat reassuring. But then again, one must find something complimentary in the PS3 to do so and well, that's just not feasible for some.

[Phades]

I'm on my 4th Xbox 360, My best friend is on his 3rd, my brother is on his 4th, a friend of mine is on his 2nd, and another friend is still on his first.

I also know 4 people who own PS3's. All of them are still on their original system and have had no problems (myself included).

I'm inclined to believe that the PS3 is a solid piece of hardware and has a low failure rate. Hell, the thing just FEELS solid and well made.

[ÜberJumper]

My first Xbox 360 failed within minutes of hooking it up and downloading gauntlet on Xbox live.

I returned that one the same night to the EB I got it from, and they replaced it with one they had in the back room.

That Xbox360's been locking up randomly since I got it, and I finally got the red ring of death on it a couple of weeks ago.

So for TWO different 360's, not one that was sent in and repaired and returned, both of them failed on me.

I'm expecting that when I ship in the 360, they'll repair it and send it back rather than providing a new one.

[Dirty Harry]

HA! That's great. I have never owned a Microsoft system, but I'm obviously some sort of MS fanboy. Good one. :rolleyes:

And it was a marvelous troll post. You said Sony had a great history of launching quality products, and I pointed out that you were wrong. End of story. I win the thread. :D

No, you dont win the thread, sorry not yours.

[TDub301]

You can say a lot about Sony, but they have a track record of making spectacular hardware, across the board.

Wow, no they don't, I've met people online who don't buy Sony products specifically because they're garbage most of the time. I'm surprised noone has brought up the laptop battery fiaso yet...

For the most part hardcore gamers are not a reliable judge of hardware durability. I would generally wear out a controller every 8 months. I burned out 2 N64 units, 3 Xboxes. When I was playing Duke Nukem, I went through a keyboard every 9 months(I wore out CTRL keys like no tomorrow). We use our shit, a lot, and for a long time. If you do a lot of driving, you are going to go through tires and cares faster than someone who does not, the same applies to just about anything.

Now that I definitely agree with. You must've been playing a fucking lot of 64 to go through 2 of them. That being said, I wonder what the average amount of playtime between the PS3 and 360 is? Wouldn't that bridge the error rate gap a little bit between them? Considering the PS3 has an embaressingly low amount of games and 360 is king of the hill right now in that department... (for those of you who don't follow, 360s are definitely played exponentially more than PS3s right now)

And I need that friend code wolvie, so you can come fix my car the next time it breaks down, see? it's useful for something...

[Rafer]

Funny, I remember last year reading stories like this "Demo PS3 Units freeze on Purpose" (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/27/1354222) last year where there was a lot of speculation that the PS3 was going to be unreliable because some kiosks had frozen up. There are some funny quotes in the comments about how one person is sick of Sony lies and says:"Now Sony has reliability problems and they just lie some more to cover themselves. All of this pushed me to buy an XBox 360. I really didn't want to but I'm glad I did. So what if I have to pay to play online? At least my console works."

Or this comment "New hardware has defects. This has happened before, it has happened again. If you're concerned about the PS3's future stability, look to updated and replaced Xbox 360s, which are now quite stable."

[Dirty Harry]

Dude, no, the PS2 and the PS1 broke like nobody's business. The PS3 is the first non-borked system they've made. My brother went through FOUR PS1's and he's on his FIFTH PS2(and that one was one a friend left at his house). The 360 is pretty gawd awful, but saying the Playstaion has had better hardware, thats just, dude...

When you say such ignorant things, it make makes it hard for me to find respect in you.

[CooterTKE]

I must be lucky as i have never had an issue with any of my systems. I have seen a friends PS2 stop reading disks and a 360 die when i tried to play Forza 2. I think it would be interesting to see play time vs the two systems and failure rate.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I am a really bad poster who doesn't contribute to the site in any way.
You heard it here first, folks.

[tayaya]

You can't tell what the failure rate is if all of the PS3s are in their boxes on store shelves and not in the homes of people actually using them. HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!

Sorry... I couldn't resist. I haven't had any problems at all with my own PS3, nor has anyone else I know that has one. I had some major freezing/crashing issues when exiting games to the XMB on the original firmware (by original I mean the one that was available for download on launch day). But as I expected they fixed that problem very quickly and it's been perfect ever since. I've seen one or two with bad slot-loaders online, but even then the reports are very isolated. The PS3 seems pretty solid, and I'm happy with the hardware. I'm even happy with the software... but then again I play both the US and Japanese markets. Still want some true AAA titles though, but I'm happy playing Folks Soul and Minna no Golf 5 for now.

As for Sony making "spectacular" hardware... I had to go through 5 original Playstations, turning them on their side eventually to squeeze extra life out of them, before finally getting one that was stable. Been through 2 Japanese PS2's as my launch console eventually developed a bad drive that wouldn't read discs (after like 4 years of good service, mind you). Most of the "disc read error" problems I've run across could be fixed with that "diagnostic" option in the PS2 main menu, but not all of them. I have had a Sony 32" CRT HD set blow out after about 3 months of owning it (short on the main circuit board... replaced by a tech and fine for 2.5 years not). And finally a 27" SDTV that had to go back because it would randomly go into the initial setup menu while watching TV.... I don't know if I'd call their hardware spectacular of one customer gets that many bad products.... but their customer service more than makes up for it, and I understand when the occasional thing breaks down.

Of all things, my 360 hasn't ever broken on me... and it's from launch day. It did overheat and lock up on launch day, but only after running for 14 hours straight with the power brick in a small enclosure. Moved that out into the open and it's never crashed since (or ever been on for even 1/3 of that. At least.... not until tomorrow!)

[TrackZero]

When you say such ignorant things, it make makes it hard for me to find respect in you.

Well, considering the PS3 has less memory than the 360, it's true (no, I'm not talking about the 256/256 vs 512 thing, the 360 actually has 522MB RAM, go look it up). They're differently designed beasts, you can't say one is "better" than the other unless you're looking at specific programming techniques. Overall they're quite equal.

[karak]

Well I went through 3 total PS3's. Mine stopped showing the video which seems to be happening to some people. But I think despite my problems that the PS3 seems like a good machine if you have good ventilation. We had ours in our work conference room but the heat that thing puts out is UNBEARABLE.
As for the PS2...well that thing was a piece of shit. My father is a repair technition and that was literally all he worked on for a four year span. Mostly lasers from what he had to fix.

[Dirty Harry]

You heard it here first, folks.

You think your doom posts are so damn important.

Well, considering the PS3 has less memory than the 360, it's true (no, I'm not talking about the 256/256 vs 512 thing, the 360 actually has 522MB RAM, go look it up). They're differently designed beasts, you can't say one is "better" than the other unless you're looking at specific programming techniques. Overall they're quite equal.


I'm not even talking about stuff like hardware specs or performance output I'm just talking hardware quality and to say that the Sony brand is worse than what the xbox brand has knowingly created for itself.

The most fucked up situation is that people still think the xbox brand has the consumers interest in mind with the creation of their products. IT SHOULD be apparently obvious to a majority of you that with the quality of the current generation of 360s that Microsoft is more invested in making a quick return of profit from its gaming dept.

Instead of giving dedicated gamers who took the time to make +400 dollars to purchase the console. They have provided them with a console that has been severely rushed to market, has major lack of hindsight in marketing in regards to the sku, hell theres many, many things i could list if i wanted to waste my time.

That's not why I'm writing this, i just find it incredibly frustrating when i see so much hate placed upon Sony for "sub par" hardware when the biggest proponents of hate for them are people who have had multiple Xbox replacements.

Just because MS is quick in getting you a new box does not make it acceptable that the goods and services you have purchased from them are of incredible shoddy design and production.

[TheFlyingOrc]

You think your doom posts are so damn important.
When doom takes over, you'll wish you had taken them seriously, too.

At least I have a gimmick other than "bad posting".

[Norse]

You think your doom posts are so damn important.

Well, they are quite important.

[Podfork]

I love how this whole thread is concentrated primarily on KG's comment and not the fact that in an age where most 360's die that this news comes as somewhat reassuring. But then again, one must find something complimentary in the PS3 to do so and well, that's just not feasible for some.

Oh, threads like these are red rags to a bull. It's like some challenge mode in a video game where something has to be disproved by a bunch of people simply because it's been said out loud. I dare say if there was a statement saying that the PS3 was the same shade of black as the original Xbox you'd have people disputing that too. And that the Xbox shade of black was a better shade of black and how funny it is that Sony are copying Microsoft's last gen system.

Still, it's fascinating viewing. One can only dream of what Kamalot would make of it all. :D

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[Dirty Harry]

When doom takes over, you'll wish you had taken them seriously, too.

At least I have a gimmick other than "bad posting".

IM RUBBER YOUR GLUE WHAT EVER YOU SAY BOUNCES OFF ME AND STICKS TO YOU@!.

[violentp]

Oh, threads like these are red rags to a bull. It's like some challenge mode in a video game where something has to be disproved by a bunch of people simply because it's been said out loud. I dare say if there was a statement saying that the PS3 was the same shade of black as the original Xbox you'd have people disputing that too. And that the Xbox shade of black was a better shade of black and how funny it is that Sony are copying Microsoft's last gen system.

Still, it's fascinating viewing. One can only dream of what Kamalot would make of it all. :D

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It's a huge metaphorical gladiatorial battle where all contestants are retarded.

[Serapth]

It's a huge metaphorical gladiatorial battle where all contestants are retarded.

They so have to add something like that to the special olympics!

[Serapth]

When doom takes over, you'll wish you had taken them seriously, too.

At least I have a gimmick other than "bad posting".

Dude, gimmicks suck.

Kinda like the wii.

[51|RandoM]

This story wouldn't exist if the 360 wasn't an abject failure(in terms of reliability).

Bad posting isn't orc's gimmick, ridiculously ignorant trolling of sony/ps3 is. Now you know and knowing is half the battle, amirite?

[TheFlyingOrc]

This story wouldn't exist if the 360 wasn't an abject failure(in terms of reliability).

Bad posting isn't orc's gimmick, ridiculously ignorant trolling of sony/ps3 is. Now you know and knowing is half the battle, amirite?
I do troll from time to time, but I think you just used the word "ignorant" to make your argument sound better. I rarely don't know what I'm talking about.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Dude, gimmicks suck.

Kinda like the wii.

This is a pretty awesome thing you did there.

[Doctor Setebos]

Now you know and knowing is half the battle, amirite?Don't forget that the other half is killing people.

[Serapth]

This is a pretty awesome thing you did there.

Thanks!

I had a shit eatting grin on my face while I was typing it.

[tayaya]

Oh, threads like these are red rags to a bull.

But bulls only see in greyscale....

[Shadowmage952]

Dude, gimmicks suck.

Kinda like the wii.

Ah, the classic line returns.

[Serapth]

Ah, the classic line returns.

EEEK, my stalker! :D

[Shadowmage952]

EEEK, my stalker! :D

Hey, you should just be glad I'm posting more.

[Zanzibar]

Insert 'That's because no one has any games to play on them' joke here.

[KingGorilla]

I think it is because there is no real reason to put a disc into the machine(the most breakable part of any console). Between the arcade offerings and Warhawk, who needs a disc for the Playstation 3?

[CoachCrazyMcScot]

I think it is because there is no real reason to put a disc into the machine(the most breakable part of any console). Between the arcade offerings and Warhawk, who needs a disc for the Playstation 3?

SO True! If Sony wants to make another 'WalkMan' or "PlayStation" as far as groundbreaking technology like that have in the past, then make it ALL digital. Leave the discs.

Oops I forgot, BluRay. Sony is sweet on that.

Oh by the way, the CD-ROM is 25 years old....(old man speaking)...I remember when we had NOTHING to record and told stories about the TV we watched...and we liked it!

[KingGorilla]

Sony is a company of built in conflict of interest. The music and movie division want to offer their stuff for download, but home theater and audio are busy making those players. It is a big fucking mess.

[Bahamut]

I think it is because there is no real reason to put a disc into the machine(the most breakable part of any console). Between the arcade offerings and Warhawk, who needs a disc for the Playstation 3?

My PS3 has been getting quite a bit of action for PS2 games :p . I do have a few PS3 games too, but I feel more compelled to play PS2 offerings I've missed or never got to finish for some reason...even though I own Motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Call of Duty 3.


I'm going to have to disagree with Sony's quality necessarily. From what I've seen the experience is a mixed bag. I've had a Sony 27" TV break in under 5 years. 3-4 broken Sony CD players, all under 1 year. Although others have had mass PS2 breakage, I was smart enough to wait till the dust settled so that has been fine. I've heard a shitload of bad things about Sony Vaios too. But...I'm satisfied with my Sony stereo system and the digital camera I had (before it disappeared mysteriously after a plane trip). Also my PS3 is just fine and I've hardly heard of cases where its broken at all, although I also don't know many with a PS3 to begin with.

[Johan]

Wow, now that's spin, Ox.

That's not spin...it's economics. Oxonian is right.

[donkeydrop]

The PS2 was mocked incessantly for its failure rate.

link? I still have my launch PS2, and no-one I know has ever had one break. I also have my launch PS1, again still working.

[agentgray]

What's 1% of 1? Someone figure it. Quick.

Nah...Good for Sony.

[Gorvi]

That's not spin...it's economics. Oxonian is right.
Well, it's speculative economics really. Honestly, I don't see how an incredibly low failure rate is a bad thing at all. They made a solid machine, someone give them a lolipop.

[mister_slim]

Man, I must have won the lottery twice!

If those numbers are right, which I doubt, you had two out of 800 defective PS3s. You are indeed special.

[mister_slim]

Isn't this actually a bad thing?

Think about it: Quality Control costs money. Like every other step in the manufacturing process, that money gets recouped through the prices Sony charges for the system, accessories, games, and development licenses. And like everything else, Quality Control is subject to diminishing returns: reducing failure rates from 20% to 2% costs less than reducing failure rates from 2% to 0.02%.

So Sony has decided to sell an extremely reliable but very expensive PS3. Let's say I offered you a deal: one of two PS3 systems, identical in every way, except one was $600 and had a 0.02% failure rate, while the other one was $500 and had a 2% failure rate. Which would you buy?
Or you can pass the savings on the the consumer by launching your console at $400 and then have to take a $1.3 billion hit to your bottom line, and have to recoup that money from the consumer anyway.
For the most part hardcore gamers are not a reliable judge of hardware durability. I would generally wear out a controller every 8 months. I burned out 2 N64 units, 3 Xboxes.
Man, how many N64 analog sticks did you wear out? Hey, that's an example of poor Nintendo hardware design.

[KingGorilla]

Not many, but the Mario Party fans went through them like condoms in a whore-house.

[Schnoogs]

Maybe once some games come out and the PS3 is actually taxed then we'll see how reliable it is.

(I own one)

[51|RandoM]

umm, yeah Assassin, because people running folding@home 24x7 doesn't tax the ps3 at all.

Your beard isn't working.

[KingGorilla]

Maybe once some games come out and the PS3 is actually taxed then we'll see how reliable it is.

(I own one)

I think that the battery will die out long before the sticks or buttons. The Dual shock is a shit design, but I have never met a PS2 owner who has worn one out naturally.

[Dirty Harry]

I think that the battery will die out long before the sticks or buttons. The Dual shock is a shit design, but I have never met a PS2 owner who has worn one out naturally.

Id just like to add the duel shock is a sturdy design, the thing can take some serious abuse. Man how many times ive whipped or chewed on or swung around.

[FullTilt]

PS3 failure rates are “around .02 percent” according to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe founder, Chris Deering
I believe that what Deering actually said was that the 'default rate' was around 0.2%. Not only is that a 10 times increase in frequency, it's totally meaningless and open to interpretation, which is what the source article has done.

I can accept a ratio of 1:500 consoles dying, but anecdotal evidence suggests to me the incidence of component hardware failure is somewhat higher than that.