Microsoft rains on Sony's parade

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From eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net) :

Earlier this week, Sony France opened The Factory - a big shiny showroom designed to show off the PSP - in the Place de l'Etoile, Paris.

In response, Microsoft hired itself some advertising space in the window of a laundry just across the road, putting up giant Xbox 360 posters displaying the message "Gardez vos forces pour cet hiver".

Which translates as "Save your strength for winter" - winter, of course, being the season Xbox 360 will hit the shops.

Microsoft's little stunt left Sony fuming and after just one day the posters were removed, reportedly because Sony offered the laundry owners an even bigger cheque.

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[MasterEvilAce]

lmfao. that's awesome. Godo to know the laundry place is doing good, now, too :P

[Thenetcase]

LOL I bet that they have given everyone an early holliday bonus. ;)

[bKangy]

Laawl.

Ken Says

"PS3 can do laundry 100x better than Xbox 360 because of the cell processor! At the same time as washing, it actually takes dirt off with a lazer! Xbox 360 is more like Laundry 1.5!"

[Kamalot]

Ken Says

"PS3 can do laundry 100x better than Xbox 360 because of the cell processor! At the same time as washing, it actually takes dirt off with a lazer! Xbox 360 is more like Laundry 1.5!"
LMAO! That's right! The PS3 magically ages the filth from your clothes like a fine French cheese. Even if your clothes look clean and smell clean, if they haven't been cleaned with the PS3, they weren't calculated clean with our round numbers that almost match so they aren't REALLY clean.

[Zanzibar]

Poor Ken. Poor, poor Ken.

[Dirty Harry]

LMAO! That's right! The PS3 magically ages the filth from your clothes like a fine French cheese. Even if your clothes look clean and smell clean, if they haven't been cleaned with the PS3, they weren't calculated clean with our round numbers that almost match so they aren't REALLY clean.
Man im gonna rue the day when Ken makes with his promises and you all are gonna eat your foots.

[Morrolan]

By makes, I assume you mean delivers? And by foots, I assume you mean feet? Jesus...

Anyway, this is shaping up to be the best console war ever. EVER.

[Plac1d]

Posters? *** bought the whole damn window (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59743).

[AspectVoid]

Personally, I think Microsoft should have copied Sony's old Crash comercials where they sent a guy in a Crash suite to muck around outside the Nintendo HQ. If Microsoft had gotten a half dozen or so guys dressed up in Spartan armor and marched around outside the place for a week or two, it would have brought in serious headlines.

[serion]

Microsoft to Sony: Ha Ha Ha

I wonder if the PR genius that thought that up will get any credit.

[B_Money]

Man im gonna rue the day when Ken makes with his promises and you all are gonna eat your foots.

With all the flying pigs and icy demons, I don't see how eating a few feet will be an issue.

[Deadend]

The PS3 is like a nice laundromat the cleans your suit.
The X360 is like one of those fancy washer/dryer sets.
The Nrev is like a bucket of soapy water and a board.

God... I love the quotes being made this generation!

[Thenetcase]

The PS3 is like a loaded baked potato at Chilis.
The XBox360 is like a ribeye steak with sauted mushrooms and onions.
The nRev is like a delectable ceaser salad with croutons.

The moral? Everyone's going to prefer something from the other. But those who really want the whole meal will buy all three. Although we all know you can do with out the salad.

-TNC-

[MasterEvilAce]

lmfao, nice, netcase

[LilBunnyFuFu]

that is a good one net case.
let me try my hand at it:

The PS3 is like a hershey bar, you know it will be good, but its still just chocolate...
The Rev is like a bag of M&M's, the classics still taste good, but there isn't anything new here...
The 360 is like a Snickers that can check your email, play music, and let you battle other Snickers bars over Snickers Live

Gardez vos forces pour cet hiver, bitches.

[TrackZero]

Anyway, this is shaping up to be the best console war ever. EVER.

You should put that in your sig. ;)

[Redline]

This is starting to remind me of Back In The Day(TM) when Nintendo and Sega were going at it hard.

[Derwin]

I have this really really old video from when the N64 was first coming out, and it was some really badly acted "show" where guys from Sony and Sega (No XBox) parachuted into Nintendo HQ, kidnapped a scientist who was making the N64, and tried to make him talk about the secrets of the new system. It was weird, he was telling all about the system (which the video was supposed to do) but at the same time the scientist guy kept insisting that he'd never talk. The funniest part though was that one of the torture methods was taking a Mario doll and violently decapitating it. That's kind of morbid. And I can't believe Nintendo would actually do, let alone film, something happening to Mario.

[Talanvor]

Well done Microsoft, well done.

[Paranoia]

Recently this week alone Sony is really getting some "negative" news (Europe PSP import hassle, 12 million PSP, 7/8 working SPEs). Could MS had paid some reporters for bad press?

:D

[bapenguin]

Man...they really bought up the window space...good times good times. I heard Nintendo bought up the sewer covers so everyone can "join the underground Revolution"

sorry...i juust woke up....

[Kelegacy]

The PS3 is like a loaded baked potato at Chilis.
The XBox360 is like a ribeye steak with sauted mushrooms and onions.
The nRev is like a delectable ceaser salad with croutons.

The moral? Everyone's going to prefer something from the other. But those who really want the whole meal will buy all three. Although we all know you can do with out the salad.

-TNC-

Eww. I absolutely loathe mushrooms!

I hate cockiness, but we'll all see soon enough. Sure Sony has tended to be pompous, but MS just likes to heave it's money around and sanctify its own hubris. For a losing team last round, this borders more on the absurd. If they get spanked again, i will feel justified in my laughter. Of course, i could say the same thing about Sony's over positivity, too. One of them is going to be burned. I wish they'd just focus on selling their system instead of jabbing at one another. It's childish.

[Thenetcase]

Umm.. how exactly did MS get spanked? If I remember correctly their financial gains from the xBox product line were well into the billions of dollars. I wouldn't call that a spanking.
I've been a computer technician for a long time and I know a lot of people in computer sales and IT stuff and almost everyone I know owns an Xbox and SOME of them own a PS2. I know way more people who have Xboxes than PS2s, however.

Not sure how you figure they're getting spanked. Just doesn't make sense. :) Sony is worthy competition.

Oh and for the record.. I own everything but the Gamecube. Personally I think it was designed for children and girls. ;) Flame on!

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[buckfutter]

Uhh, you guys do realise that everyone and their mom has done this before, right? Sony did it at Microsoft's first X02 event in Europe. They put a billboard up on the main thoroughfare that said "Just Pretend We're Not Here". And I'm fairly certain Microsoft has done it once before to Sony as well, not to mention all of the smaller acts of intra-company goofing off like MS sending IGN a package detailing the PS2's online plan. It was a box with two stryofoam cups, a length of string, and some instructions as to where to place them on the system for the best effect.

Nothing genius about it. Funny, though.

[Zanzibar]

With all the flying pigs and icy demons, I don't see how eating a few feet will be an issue.

ROFLMAO. Thanks B_Money.

[Achilles]

Sure Sony has tended to be pompous, but MS just likes to heave it's money around and sanctify its own hubris. Did you see E3? The phrase “Welcome Change” was everywhere, it was on the stairs, the walls, on all the TVs in the hotel I was staying at (now I’ve got one of those static cling labels on my fridge). You couldn’t walk 8 feet without seeing some kind of PS3 ad unless you were in someone else’s booth. Compared to that this ad in the window of one Laundromat is just an afterthought or poking fun at Sony, it’s hardly a pervasive and expensive ad campaign.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Umm.. how exactly did MS get spanked? If I remember correctly their financial gains from the xBox product line were well into the billions of dollars. I wouldn't call that a spanking.
I've been a computer technician for a long time and I know a lot of people in computer sales and IT stuff and almost everyone I know owns an Xbox and SOME of them own a PS2. I know way more people who have Xboxes than PS2s, however.

Not sure how you figure they're getting spanked. Just doesn't make sense. :) Sony is worthy competition.

Oh and for the record.. I own everything but the Gamecube. Personally I think it was designed for children and girls. ;) Flame on!

-TNC-

Just so you know, PS2 outsold the Xbox a little better than 4.25 to 1. Microsoft themselves admitted they took a loss on the Xbox. They are going to eat $75 up front on every xbox360 they make...and you know what, I'm still getting an Xbox360.

My point is, just because you are backing the losing team doesn't mean you have to lie about the scoreboard.

Leave the lying to my boys at Sony, they simply do it much better than any other company in the business. Don't believe me? Sony said that the PS2 graphics would blow away the Toy Story movie graphics :rolleyes:, they said the "Emotion Engine" would revolutionize gaming, :rolleyes: and they said that the PS2 would link with AOL and Netscape and allow you to IM, read e-mail and get updated newsclips!! Sony is the evil pimp of the videogame industries...and you b*tches better bring them their money!

[mister_slim]

My contribution:

Sony can't afford to have Kutaragi's syphilis treated.
Microsoft, for PR purposes, secretly gave Allard leukemia and a tapeworm.
Nintendo is understaffed because Iwata is addicted to Heart of Gamer.
Umm.. how exactly did MS get spanked? If I remember correctly their financial gains from the xBox product line were well into the billions of dollars. I wouldn't call that a spanking.
Gains? Gains!? How does the H&E head saying 'Xbox not profitable until 2007' = gains? I suppose maybe they have very clever accountants.

[Thenetcase]

Gains? Gains!? How does the H&E head saying 'Xbox not profitable until 2007' = gains? I suppose maybe they have very clever accountants.


Umm... buddy... Did you actually read what I said??? No.
For the record, that analysis is full of crap. Whoever did it is not looking at the bigger picture because he doesn't know jack about marketting. If the Xbox product line wasn't HUGELY profitable, MS wouldn't be selling it. They don't sell stuff as a charity, my friend. They sell stuff to make money. That's why they axed their game controller product line a while back.

Let me clarify what I was saying...
I SAID

"Umm.. how exactly did MS get spanked? If I remember correctly their financial gains from the xBox product line were well into the billions of dollars. I wouldn't call that a spanking."


Let's see... last time I CHECKED, "XBox product line" means the entire franchise... The whole.. umm... product line (game, controllers, cables, etc.).
They made SO MUCH MONEY off the accessories for the Xbox that they don't need to make anything off the console. If you knew anything about retail sales, you'd realize that this happens all over the place. The average amount of money that resellers make off an Xbox (not MS, but the RESELLERS [e.g. CompUSA, EB Games, etc.]). is 50 cents. Maybe a couple of dollars if they are lucky. Go ask someone at CompUSA what their cost is on an XBox. If they tell you, you'll find out that it's $198.50 or something like that. They make $1.50 on the Xbox. Same with the Playstation 2!

Sony isn't making a profit on the PS2 units. They're making their money on the games and accessories, just like MS.
You basically have to license your game with them and they get a small cut of your profits through that.

Believe me, you need to study marketting if you want to have a decent argument here. Also quote me correctly. When I said gains, I meant GAINS. They make so much damn money off the XBox that they have incredible GAINS. IF they didn't, I ASSURE YOU, they would not be selling them anymore. After all... they ARE Micro$oft.

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[Thenetcase]

Just so you know, PS2 outsold the Xbox a little better than 4.25 to 1. Microsoft themselves admitted they took a loss on the Xbox. They are going to eat $75 up front on every xbox360 they make...and you know what, I'm still getting an Xbox360.

It doesn't matter if they lose money on the XBox360 console. Of course they will. They don't even make any money on their CURRENT console and neither does Sony.
They make money off licenses and accessories, etc. It's all about marketting.

But I Will agree with you on the fact that Sony is the supperior liar. ;)

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[Ondo]

Umm... buddy... Did you actually read what I said??? No.
For the record, that analysis is full of crap. Whoever did it is not looking at the bigger picture because he doesn't know jack about marketting.

Microsoft is the one who has said that the entire Home and Entertainment division will not be profitable until 2007. They do know about marketing and are not "full of crap". Unlike some posters here.

[vitriol]

LOL
That s guerilla marketing- an often overused term!

[Thenetcase]

Microsoft is the one who has said that the entire Home and Entertainment division will not be profitable until 2007. They do know about marketing and are not "full of crap". Unlike some posters here.

You have got to take in the bigger picture dude. They are making tons of money off of everything that you have to get from them to go along with it.
Honestly I haven't seen anywhere where MS said that their home entertainment division isn't producing a profit. Please quote your sources (and make them reliable ones) immediately if you want to have any creditability.

I know marketting better than just about anyone on this forum. Believe me when I say that MS is getting their money for everything they sell one way or another. Accessories, licenses and so on are the ways they get their money. The profits they make from that more than even out the losses from their "home entertainment" equipment.

Please, quote your sourses. I've only read articles from analysts claiming stuff like this and you know better than to put stock in what THEY say because they don't take any interest in the bigger collective picture.

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[Ondo]

Microsoft's investor info is the obvious source. From http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY05/earn_rel_q3_05.mspx we have their third quarter earnings. At the bottom you can see the Home & Entertainment division lost $154 million in the three months ending March 31st. Other quarters earnings are also there, and only 2nd quarter of fiscal year 2005 did that division make a profit ($81 million), due to Halo 2.

Also, a quick google search turns up http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/225225_e3bach21.html, where Robbie Bach, chief Xbox officer, says "Our forecast right now, and we've said this publicly to the financial analysts, is that the Home and Entertainment Division will be profitable in fiscal 2007."

[Twigz'N'Berries]

You have got to take in the bigger picture dude. They are making tons of money off of everything that you have to get from them to go along with it.
Honestly I haven't seen anywhere where MS said that their home entertainment division isn't producing a profit. Please quote your sources (and make them reliable ones) immediately if you want to have any creditability.

I know marketting better than just about anyone on this forum. Believe me when I say that MS is getting their money for everything they sell one way or another. Accessories, licenses and so on are the ways they get their money. The profits they make from that more than even out the losses from their "home entertainment" equipment.

Please, quote your sourses. I've only read articles from analysts claiming stuff like this and you know better than to put stock in what THEY say because they don't take any interest in the bigger collective picture.

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http://www.ferrago.com/story/4170
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/27/microsoft_fy2005q2_earnings/
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-9399-1463-4-4-x


Since you need an article, here are a few. You are a hardcore MS fanboy. PS2 makes Sony $57 bucks for every unit sold...conservative estimates post MS with a $60-$70 loss on each Xbox sold. They are NOT making their money back on games sold...the attach rate would have to be higher for that to happen. I love MS, I love the Box...but freaking open your eyes to the truth. MS knows that Xbox 1 will never be profitable. It was "the entry fee" to get into the console market. As for Xbox360, If you check out this months Game Informer magazine, the games on PS3 look like what the next generation should when compared to Xbox360. Please, take a look.
The PS3 will most likely be a superior machine with superior games...but I can't wait until next christmas/early 2007 to get a new system. I dislike a lot about the politics and Nationalism surrounding Sony...but they make a fine product.

[Kelegacy]

i have the unnerving craving to type "pwned" but I am refraining.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

i have the unnerving craving to type "pwned" but I am refraining. ;)

Kel I'm just saying that he needs to admit to liking the product that isn't a market leader. When it comes down to it the videogame industry is just that, an industry. It all boils down to who makes the most cash and who has the most customers. Xbox is like a Mac and PS is like a PC. The Mac does incredible things...for the small 5% of the market it has.

Sony is the pimp of the industry..and it isn't a benevolent pimp. Bring Sony there money B**ches!!

[TrainwreckX]

As for Xbox360, If you check out this months Game Informer magazine, the games on PS3 look like what the next generation should when compared to Xbox360. Please, take a look.
The PS3 will most likely be a superior machine with superior games...but I can't wait until next christmas/early 2007 to get a new system. I dislike a lot about the politics and Nationalism surrounding Sony...but they make a fine product.

Oh god. We are having this discussion in another thread. Sony can't show you how good their games are. The Cell processor is not even done! The Nvidia GPU? Its far from done! Select developers have alpha kits. I'll bet you don't know what an alpha kit for the PS3 is. I'll let you guess, then I'll correct you.

[Achilles]

The PS3 will most likely be a superior machine with superior games...but I can't wait until next christmas/early 2007 to get a new system. That and you have a dozen games that you're really excited about coming out for the 360. I don't know how you can say that the PS3 will probably have the better graphics with better games and than slap up a list like this:
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54563#post54563
“Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Saint’s Row, Gears of War, Ghost Recon, 99 Nights, COD2, DOA4, DOAX2, Ninja Gaiden, Need For Speed, The Outfit”

That Killzone CGI movie must have done a number on you. And about Killzone, let's assume for a moment that it was real. Apart from the graphics the gameplay looked completely stale, identical to Killzone 1 at best. If you compare it to Gears which uses cover, destructible objects and about a dozen other modern things, it just falls flat. Watch the demo again, the parts that are in first person and ask yourself if that’s really better than what you've seen from 360 games gameplay wise.

[mister_slim]

Umm... buddy... Did you actually read what I said??? No.
For the record, that analysis is full of crap. Whoever did it is not looking at the bigger picture because he doesn't know jack about marketting. If the Xbox product line wasn't HUGELY profitable, MS wouldn't be selling it. They don't sell stuff as a charity, my friend. They sell stuff to make money. That's why they axed their game controller product line a while back.
I recommend you do your research before talking shit.

As linked above, MS H&E has posted one positive quarter, showing a profit of $84 million, and that was with the help of $300 million in Halo 2 income. The head of H&E has stated he doesn't expect a profit until at least 2007. His analysis seems rather more trustworthy then your anecdotal evidence. And I have no idea what you mean by "marketing".

[vitriol]

I can t wait to see Sony's online gaming strategy for the PS3. It s an area where MS has a solid headstart with XBox live as compared to Sony.

[TrainwreckX]

I can t wait to see Sony's online gaming strategy for the PS3. It s an area where MS has a solid headstart with XBox live as compared to Sony.

I don't think you saw it, did you? It connects directly to your brain at 300kbps and makes your brain age to be smarter. It does your homework for you in your mind while you play games. You basically only have to go to the bathroom and eat, which will be eliminated as necessary with a later patch. The cell will be able to grow robotic arms and wipe your butt.

[Thenetcase]

Since you need an article, here are a few. You are a hardcore MS fanboy. PS2 makes Sony $57 bucks for every unit sold...conservative estimates post MS with a $60-$70 loss on each Xbox sold. They are NOT making their money back on games sold...the attach rate would have to be higher for that to happen. I love MS, I love the Box...but freaking open your eyes to the truth. MS knows that Xbox 1 will never be profitable. It was "the entry fee" to get into the console market. As for Xbox360, If you check out this months Game Informer magazine, the games on PS3 look like what the next generation should when compared to Xbox360. Please, take a look.
The PS3 will most likely be a superior machine with superior games...but I can't wait until next christmas/early 2007 to get a new system. I dislike a lot about the politics and Nationalism surrounding Sony...but they make a fine product.

Thanks for the articles! And yeah, I can see you're right about the PS2 making a profit off the actual units themselves.. that's pretty awesome. :)
I wouldn't call myself a hardcore MS fanboy. I do believe that MS is making a profit of some sort, but perhaps you're right about it being an entry fee. I suppose along those lines of logic, if MS doesn't pull off something amazing with the 360, they will never make another console. At least that's my assumption.

I wouldn't say that the PS3 will be a superior machine just yet. If they can actually do what they claim they can do, then they will be. But if not (a'la PS2) then they aren't going to be superior and the Xbox360 with blow them away. We've seen the tip of the iceberg with the 360, but the PS3 has yet to show us any live actual footage. That's a tad disconcerting.

For all of those people out there blasting me and calling me names, etc... Just keep in mind that you've all made mistakes before. I have the balls to admit where I've been misinformed and regurgitated my misinformation to the general public. I have the grace to eat my crow and accept the pie in my face with out feeling like I'm less of a person for it.
If it really makes you feel better to continue mocking me and saying I'm a moron, go for it. At least I exercise my brain a little.

I'm no fan boy. The only people I dispise are Nintendo these days. They have yet to release a product that truly impressed me for several years now.
For the record, I OWN the Sony PS2 and the Microsoft XBox and I plan on buying both the PS3 and the Xbox360 when they come out.

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[Thenetcase]

And I have no idea what you mean by "marketing".

Then maybe you should actively study marketting before talking your own smack, Masterslim.

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[Twigz'N'Berries]

Thanks for the articles! And yeah, I can see you're right about the PS2 making a profit off the actual units themselves.. that's pretty awesome. :)
I wouldn't call myself a hardcore MS fanboy. I do believe that MS is making a profit of some sort, but perhaps you're right about it being an entry fee. I suppose along those lines of logic, if MS doesn't pull off something amazing with the 360, they will never make another console. At least that's my assumption.

I wouldn't say that the PS3 will be a superior machine just yet. If they can actually do what they claim they can do, then they will be. But if not (a'la PS2) then they aren't going to be superior and the Xbox360 with blow them away. We've seen the tip of the iceberg with the 360, but the PS3 has yet to show us any live actual footage. That's a tad disconcerting.

For all of those people out there blasting me and calling me names, etc... Just keep in mind that you've all made mistakes before. I have the balls to admit where I've been misinformed and regurgitated my misinformation to the general public. I have the grace to eat my crow and accept the pie in my face with out feeling like I'm less of a person for it.
If it really makes you feel better to continue mocking me and saying I'm a moron, go for it. At least I exercise my brain a little.

I'm no fan boy. The only people I dispise are Nintendo these days. They have yet to release a product that truly impressed me for several years now.
For the record, I OWN the Sony PS2 and the Microsoft XBox and I plan on buying both the PS3 and the Xbox360 when they come out.

-TNC-

:(
You are right Net and I apologize. A Sony fanboy is something you shouldn't call your worse enemy. Sony is IMHO the biggest pack of liars and thieves in the gaming industry. I call them thieves, because they make outrageous claims to get your money with NO intentions of ever backing them up. To me, that is thievery.
I personally don't hate Nintendo. At least they are honest about what their plans are. They could pull a Sony and tell us all that they would support HD...but they didn't. With the 'Cube, they pretty much let you know that if you wanted online games, you were barking up the wrong company!
Nintendo may be clueless at times as to what the mainstream gamer wants, but I respect them for letting us know what their plans are. It's sad to see them continuously lose market share...its like watching a great fighter in the twilight of his career. When he is taking a beating from a bum you know he should beat.

I applaud TNC for owing up to spouting misinfo...hell, I mispelled words and used the incorrect word in a couple of cases.

But PS3 is going to be the Next Gen King. It may lose a bit of the marketshare (maybe 1% or so) but it will still be making up the difference on the PS2 merchandise they sell.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

That and you have a dozen games that you're really excited about coming out for the 360. I don't know how you can say that the PS3 will probably have the better graphics with better games and than slap up a list like this:
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54563#post54563
“Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Saint’s Row, Gears of War, Ghost Recon, 99 Nights, COD2, DOA4, DOAX2, Ninja Gaiden, Need For Speed, The Outfit”

That Killzone CGI movie must have done a number on you. And about Killzone, let's assume for a moment that it was real. Apart from the graphics the gameplay looked completely stale, identical to Killzone 1 at best. If you compare it to Gears which uses cover, destructible objects and about a dozen other modern things, it just falls flat. Watch the demo again, the parts that are in first person and ask yourself if that’s really better than what you've seen from 360 games gameplay wise.

Well, since you don't know how I could do "slap up a list", let me explain, its easy. The 360 will be out in November. I've preorder my 360 (#3 on the list) and I've preordered a couple of games. I've researched them and I'm excited to see if they live up to the hype.

How being excited for a game translates into it having better graphics is a leap of reasoning that is beyond me. There have been several games with lower graphical output that are light years better in playability than games with better graphical capabilities.

Now, that being said. Please go pick up a copy of Game Informer. If not, then let me explain further. Vision GT (Grand Turismo) looks way sicker than the static shots of PGR3. The screens for Kiollzone look sweet. Yes, they probably are CGI as SOny is the type of company to pull that kind of crap. Heavenly Sword looks pretty freaking sweet graphically. Getaway 3, F1, Motorstorm and Killing Day look graphically sharper than most of the 360 games. Even Warhawk screenies look sweet.

As for the processor not being finished...you are right. What if the Cell doesn't even work?!? Oh my?! But until that happens, and the screens that are being put out for the PS3 are proven to be more than what their system can handle, I will take Phony...I mean Sony at face value. If their system can crank out this kind of graphical output and keep the game this beautiful during gameplay, then the 360 will quickly see my support fading.

Swing from the balls of MS if you want. From what I've seen so far, Sony has the better graphics, more recognized franchises, and respected developers. They won't have to rehash a game that has been out forever (FFXI) and try to resell it to the public. Unfortunately, the Xbox has been a haven for hand me down titles. Lets hope the 360 doesn't continue in that same vein.

I like MS and hope they kick Sony in the nads...but it ain't gonna happen in my opinion.

[Achilles]

How being excited for a game translates into it having better graphics is a leap of reasoning that is beyond me. Ah sir, but you said, “superior machine with superior games.” Now superior graphics, I don’t know how you could tell at this point but okay. But superior games? That’s what made me question your list. And you keep saying that the PS3 will have more recognized franchises, respected developers, etc. even though your own list of anticipated next gen titles is 6:1 Xbox360 titles. I just wonder why you think the PS3 will have superior games, is it really GT, Warhawk, Tekken, and Killzone? Or is it just the possibility of better graphics?

I’m not sure if the stuff in GI magazine is any different than the stuff we saw in the theater at E3 but I doubt it is. Most of that was CGI, it looks better because they’re not games they’re movies. It's like saying that FF:Spirits Within looks much better than Gears of War.

Edit: I think the Heavenly Sword demo was pretty realistic since you mentioned that game. But as you say later you've got to take a screenshot at face value. I'm not going to, but if you want to we'll know what's up next E3 when they have to show this stuff running in real-time.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Oh god. We are having this discussion in another thread. Sony can't show you how good their games are. The Cell processor is not even done! The Nvidia GPU? Its far from done! Select developers have alpha kits. I'll bet you don't know what an alpha kit for the PS3 is. I'll let you guess, then I'll correct you.

Ok, let me guess:
The Alpha kits are the first set of tools given to programmers to give them an idea of what the new machine will be capable of. In the case of MS, they used 3 G5 chips along with a comparable GPU. They generally have very little to none of the specialized hardware that the games will be running on, but they give the developer a good idea of the architecture that they will need to program for. They give the developers some of the information on how to code the game and the limitations of the new platform they would be working on. As for what Sony would be using...couldn't tell you. But, some articles would indicate that they were using a 2GHZ version of the cell and high end NVIDIAs. I also couldn't tell you what the N64 had for an Alpha kit...but their screenshots were pretty accurate.

Beta Kits would be the version that comes out after the Alpha kits. They may include some of the finalized specialty hardware that will be used in the final system. Its much closer to the actual system the developers will be using. Once again, wouldn't have the foggiest idea what is being used. But, some articles would indicate that they were using a 2GHZ version of the cell and high end NVIDIAs.

Also, why not take a look at this, sport.
http://www.us.playstation.com/newsstories.aspx?id=2228

But because I love MS
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8504/Steve-Jobs-Not-Impressed-with-the-Cell-Processor/

Look, if you want to believe in MS, great. If you want to bash Sony, even better. But don't pee in the bed and say its raining...that is Sony's job. If the screenshots they are putting out are false, then we will know in November of 06' when the PS3 comes out (you don't believe they are coming out in Spring of 06' anymore than I do). If the Killzone demo was a CGI...they can't hide it then...and if the FFwhatever was a demo...they are caught again. But until that day that I have proof...I'll take the screen shot for what it is worth.

Lastly, what the hell does it matter if I know what an Alpha kit is. I don't program 1 d@mn game for Sony. :rolleyes:

But thanks for making me go look it up...and I was pretty close.
IGN have got their hands on what appears to be the PS3 Development Kit.

"While the PS3 is already looking to be the largest console in the next generation, the development kit is going to dwarf it entirely. Japanese journalist Honda Masakazu of IT Media put a photo of the dev kit in his blog and it has been quickly spreading across the web. According to him, this huge box has a 2.4GHz Cell processor and a GPU that is not quite as powerful as the RSX chip. Apparently, some of the demos from Sony's E3 press conference were running on this machine.

As of press time, calls to Sony Computer Entertainment America to verify the photo have gone unanswered."

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Ah sir, but you said, “superior machine with superior games.” Now superior graphics, I don’t know how you could tell at this point but okay. But superior games? That’s what made me question your list. And you keep saying that the PS3 will have more recognized franchises, respected developers, etc. even though your own list of anticipated next gen titles is 6:1 Xbox360 titles. I just wonder why you think the PS3 will have superior games, is it really GT, Warhawk, Tekken, and Killzone? Or is it just the possibility of better graphics?

I’m not sure if the stuff in GI magazine is any different than the stuff we saw in the theater at E3 but I doubt it is. Most of that was CGI, it looks better because they’re not games they’re movies. It's like saying that FF:Spirits Within looks much better than Gears of War.

http://www.ps3portal.com/?page=ps3_games

Hmm...I see your point. Except...

My list was based on the games I most excited about. Since most of the games for PS3 are far away, I have curbed my 'excitement' for them. The 360 is merely a 5-6 months away while the other games are possibly more than a year away. I also don't see where a lot of these games are 360 exclusives. Oblivion showed up as a game coming to PS3 as well.
As for superior graphics, if you look at the screenshots they are showing as "in game graphics", then I'd have to say that the PS3 has produced much superior looking games. I've looked at some of the 360 titles and they look like they would be at home on the current box. Take a look at Saint's Row, Tony Hawk or Voodoo City (I think that is the name) and try to act like you are impressed. Frame City Killer looked like it was an XBOX title.
Sony said that the screenshots were not pre rendered CGI. Are they lying. Well, its Sony, so probably. But until I have proof that they are (yes, I've seen articles saying they were lies and others saying it was in game) than I'll take them at face value. We will know soon enough what the cell is capable of. Besides, the developers are working off of thye middleware anyway right now...they should have little difficulty adapting the content for the PS3.
As for superior, the PS3 will have the support from companies that have made a lot of money dealing with them before. They have established ties w/Sony and let's face it, some have nationalism in common. The list of proven franchises they can tap will be extensive.
If the Cell can deliver on the promise made by several different websites, then the raw processing power will give the PS3 the advantage in its visual presentation. From what I've seen, Sony has produced better looking visuals.

I have an Xbox and love Team Ninja's work. But, even they haven't guaranteed that NG2 is going to the 360. Oblivion...not an exclusive. DOA4 looks a lot like DOA3/Ultimate...but I'm sure it looks better in motion.

This is not a 6:1 ratio
Oblivion (PS3 & 360)
Lost Odyssey (360)
Saint's Row (360)
Gears of War (360)
Ghost Recon (Unknown Xbox exclusive but is coming to PS2)
99 Nights (360)
Call of Duty 2 (PS2 version Big Red One, probably PS3 as well)
DOA4 (360)
DOAX2 (360)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (unconfirmed for what system)
Killing Day (PS3 / not confirmed exclusive)
Killzone (PS3)
NFS (PS3 & 360)
The Outfit (360 / maybe exclusive)
Motorstorm (PS3)

[Achilles]

Frame City Killer looked like it was an XBOX title.Got that right. If it was just stuff like Frame City Killer I wouldn’t be excited at all for the system. Saint’s Row actually looks pretty good in motion.I have an Xbox and love Team Ninja's work. But, even they haven't guaranteed that NG2 is going to the 360.It’s a fact that Itagaki's only on the Xbox because it’s the system that will make his games look the best. If the next system that provides the best graphics is the PS3 I have little doubt that he’ll jump ship and develop for it.

Even in motion DOA4 looks like DOA2:U. The big difference is how the cloths move and the detail in the world itself rather than in the fighters. Personally I hope they make the characters look a bit better in the next few months, like get rid of that painted-on shine that their hair has and use a real-time effect instead. But Gears of War, Ghost Recon, PGR2, Kameo, and some others really show off what can be done with the system.

This is not a 6:1 ratioI give non-exclusivity to the 360 since they won’t look a whole lot different if they’re ports, and they certainly will play the same and probably come out sooner. Right now I’m counting NG as a 360 title since Itagaki has said nothing about it coming to the PS3, and has said that right now he’s only developing for the 360. For Call of Duty and Ghost Recon, you couldn’t have meant The Big Red One and the PS2 version of GR because those aren’t next-gen games. Including CoD2 and Ghost Recon the original number was 12/15, which is 4:1. So you're right.

[Thenetcase]

I personally don't hate Nintendo. At least they are honest about what their plans are. They could pull a Sony and tell us all that they would support HD...but they didn't. With the 'Cube, they pretty much let you know that if you wanted online games, you were barking up the wrong company!
Nintendo may be clueless at times as to what the mainstream gamer wants, but I respect them for letting us know what their plans are. It's sad to see them continuously lose market share...its like watching a great fighter in the twilight of his career. When he is taking a beating from a bum you know he should beat.

Well you make a valid point there... Nintendo doesn't seem to feed the general public a bunch of bull at the same time they just don't deliver like they should.
I guess the reason I am so incredibly frustrated with Nintendo is because of all the companies making consoles, they should be the ones producing the best one. They have the most experience at it and they SHOULD have the history to know what to do next. Maybe they'll surprise us all but I'm not hoping.

I can pretty much agree with you on the PS3. If Sony produces a unit capable of doing what they did in their E3 renders (RENDERS!) I will be incredibly amazed and probably bow before them in awe and admiration.
If NOT, then I will piss on their corpse and walk away with Microsoft and the XBox 360. ;)

Either way, I'll still get both of them.

Is the PSP worth picking up? Is it really all that?

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[mister_slim]

Then maybe you should actively study marketting before talking your own smack, Masterslim.
What is MS marketing here? Are they marketing their large Xbox losses to their shareholders?

[TrainwreckX]

Maybe the man to watch is Itagaki himself. You see, if you read interviews with him in magazines, online, etc. it should be obvious that he really only cares about graphics. Sure, his recent games (DOAXBV aside) are really fun, but the man cares more about style than gameplay.

He has said over and over that the reason he exclusively develops for the current Xbox is because of the hardware's capabilities. Surely he would move to the PS3 in an instant if he knew it were a better machine.

So I ask you, do you think he knows something that we don't? Don't you think Sony has approached Team Ninja already? They must have! Don't you think Team Ninja has seen all the CGI BS that we saw at E3? You better believe it! And who did they backup after all of the lies?

"Xbox 360, you're in control" - J Allard


Oh yeah, and go Nintendo, I'm pulling for you guys this time, please make me cry with happiness.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

So I ask you, do you think he knows something that we don't? Don't you think Sony has approached Team Ninja already? They must have! Don't you think Team Ninja has seen all the CGI BS that we saw at E3? You better believe it! And who did they backup after all of the lies

You make a very good point. I think Itagaki and Team Ninja are still reviewing all of their options. They haven't committed to either system because they aren't fully sure as what the PS3 can do.

I've said several times that I think Sony is not to be trusted. Will the Cell be nearly as good as Phony...err Sony says it will be...my guess is no. Sony definitely overpromises and undelivers when it comes to the videogame market. But hold onto your pantyliners ladies...this next piece is a doozy....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/20/news_6127799.html

The idea that he plans to sell people a PS3 even if one or two SPEs are defective is very arrogant. It basically says that his product is still superior to the 360 even if it is working at 87.5% to 75% of the listed capacity. I can now see why he feels no qualms about shipping me a defective PSP.

I'd sincerely suggest Sony refrain from making such comments. It really makes them look arrogant and like they only care about the bottom line. (I understand it is a business in the end, but they will alienate some of their consumers with these tactics).

[Twigz'N'Berries]

Is the PSP worth picking up? Is it really all that?

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What's up Net'?

It is an awesome little handheld. But if your hands are of any size, you will get cramps trying to play it. My list of complaints are as follows:

*Unreliable. I have traded in multiple PSPs due to defects (dead pixels, shoddy square button, and after playing Untold Legends, mine seized up on a loading screen and never changed back.) The guy at EB swore I was lying until I let him try to undue it...so he gave me another PSP.

*The UMDs are cool...not. Well, if you are lacking a laptop or a portable dvd player, then it is pretty cool. But, you don't get the extra features you do as when you buy a normal DVD and the UMDs cost more. Lastly, you can't play the movies on any screen larger than the PSP because it doesn't connect to your tv.

*As mentioned, I'm not keen on the design. However, that is more of a personal issue. I'm 6'5 and that little machine made me feel like my thumb was cramping up on me after 15 minutes of playing.

It is a very cool system, but my nephew now has mine. I miss a lot of the features, but wouldn't buy another one...but I wouldn't buy a DS either. Although it will fail, I am going to check out the Gizmondo when it is released.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

For Call of Duty and Ghost Recon, you couldn’t have meant The Big Red One and the PS2 version of GR because those aren’t next-gen games. Including CoD2 and Ghost Recon the original number was 12/15, which is 4:1. So you're right.

Your logic is spot on.
What I meant is that Call of Duty, probably won't be an Xbox exclusive. The reason I say this is because of COD: BRO. Because COD:BRO is going on the Xbox and the PS2, I figured COD 2 would be on the 360 and PS3. I just can't see Activison voluntarily giving up that kind of revenue when a port would probably be relatively inexpensive and yield decent returns.

These list of games are announced for both systems, Alan Awake (not interested in at all), Condemned, Dark Sector, King Kong, Possesion, Madden and Darkness...according to Gamespot. Fight Night, Medal of Honor, Killing Day, Splinter Cell...a few other titles don't say they are coming out for the 360, but I figure that they will since previous versions have been on the Xbox. Plus, with the money that developers will have to shell out for the Next-Gen titles, multi-platforming seems like the rule, not the exception.

So, I'm not ruling out most games from going multi-platform unless they are made by the first party or one of their "in-house" developers. I just hope 360 can stop Sony from pulling that 6-9 month exclusivity crap they did on the current gen. It pissed me off to have to wait 6-9 months for a port of GTA: San Andreas because Sony didn't want the competition.

[Blue]

Is the PSP worth picking up? Is it really all that?

I really like mine but I've honestly been going through a rough patch with it. More than once I've contemplated calling EB to see what I might get for trade with it (I'll bet you anything they say 20 bucks) since I really don't seem to be using it at all lately. I know that when GTA comes out, I'll want it all over again so I'm trying to be patient, but there isn't anything coming out soon that I can see that have me overly interested. I'm not big into racing - save for Wipeout, that game rules - and there seems to be a flux of racing and sports oriented games for the PSP. Not really my cup of tea.

Personally, I'm more of a platformer, RPG fan. I picked up a PSP hoping for Death Jr. but it turns out that's pushed back to August so I'm more or less stuck on that end until something sparkling hits. Anyone know if Square-Enix has pledged anything for the PSP? I heard a rumor Capcom was putting Breath of Fire on the system (heck, I'd even pick that up, anything to get me addicted all over again), but I wasn't sure if anything FF was coming out way.

I think the PSP will be good in the long-haul, but you really wouldn't be hurting any if you tried to hold out for a price drop of some sort. Their launch line-up was gold, then they just hit us with UMD films most of us already own on DVD. In the end, I think you'll be happy for owning one, but you could easily buy your time first.

[TrainwreckX]

FF3 on the Nintendo DS, and a new version of FF Crystal Chronicles (also for DS). Those are the only two FF handheld games announced to my knowledge. There is Advent Children as a UMD movie, but its also gonna be on DVD, so no real loss there either, and I would rather have surround sound than a mobile version.

[mister_slim]

The idea that he plans to sell people a PS3 even if one or two SPEs are defective is very arrogant. It basically says that his product is still superior to the 360 even if it is working at 87.5% to 75% of the listed capacity. I can now see why he feels no qualms about shipping me a defective PSP.

Only if one is defective. It's to improve yields. The video card manufacturers do it too. If a pipeline is bad, they just turn it off and sell it as budget hardware. Admittedly, Kutaragi shouldn't have mentioned it, but it won't affect the hardware.
FF3 on the Nintendo DS, and a new version of FF Crystal Chronicles (also for DS). Those are the only two FF handheld games announced to my knowledge. There is Advent Children as a UMD movie, but its also gonna be on DVD, so no real loss there either, and I would rather have surround sound than a mobile version.
There's Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core, which is, IIRC, a prequel to VII? No release date yet, probably '06. I think it stars Vincent?

[TrainwreckX]

The Vincent game is the shooter for PS2. I don't know anything about Crisis Core.

[Achilles]

Crisis Core is being made for mobile phones and is centered around the Turks. Playing an RPG on my Cell phone isn’t something I’m interested in even though I’d buy the game in a second if it came out for a hand held.

Of course I'll probably still get it, being a sucker for Final Fantasy and all.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

I agree with Achilles.
Mobile phone gaming is not an option. There is no way I'd try to play a game on a screen that size again. The only games that would be worth it, are text based. There is just no way to get me to start playing games on my wireless phone.

[TrainwreckX]

Microsoft rains on Sony's parade > I hate Cell Phone Games

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