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Hadn't seen this posted, so it might be new. Anyhow, title says it all. Similar to the Columbine Game (http://columbinegame.com/) from a few years back comes a game based on the Virginia Tech murders:
An Australian man who created a game based on the Virginia Tech shootings is offering to pull it off the Internet only if he receives donations on his Web site.
Twenty-one-year-old Ryan Lambourn of Sydney posted a game called "V-Tech Rampage." That's a Philadelphia-based portal that allows amateurs to upload games they have created, play them and discuss them in forums.
Rest of the article can be found here (http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=49744).
I won't get all high handed with this, but there are days I will never understand members of the human race. They never cease to amaze. You would think I'd be desensitized to this by now.
MaiXu
05-17-2007, 04:05 AM
You, Mr. Lambourn, are a real winner.
Wow extorting human sympathy, that's a new one. (well not new but the directness is)
SunTzu
05-17-2007, 04:37 AM
It's actually a pretty fun game...
Sl1pstream
05-17-2007, 04:53 AM
I just played it, it's got nothing going for it, except for the shock value. I never played Super Columbine Massacre, but from what I've heard about it, it was actually good. This is pure crap.
shnastybiznastic
05-17-2007, 04:53 AM
Hey now! SCMRPG was not the terrible thing that many people tried to make it out to be, and it's creator certainly seems to have more scruples and integrity than this jerkoff.
...offering to pull it off the Internet... Yeah, cause once you put a flash game online, it's so easy to stop anyone from copying and redistributing it.
Good job with making gamers (and game creators) look like completely desensitized violence junkies. Why yes, all we need is to provide free ammo for the Jack Thompsons of the world.
Local media report that Lambourn has received no donations. At least he's alone in his tastelessness.
Deathwave
05-17-2007, 05:52 AM
Wait until you hit your 30's...this stuff won't even surprise you...
DevilUknow
05-17-2007, 07:43 AM
its one thing to create something as art, but the only reason he made this was to offend people and make a quick buck.
disgusting.
LilAbner
05-17-2007, 08:07 AM
I kinda like how they name the guy. Anyone here from Sydney? I'd love to kick his ass but I'm a half a world away.
Furious Wang
05-17-2007, 09:30 AM
Right. So the violence in games like GTA, Postal, and Manhunt needs to be protected but this doesn't? This is somehow out of line? Oh...those games are ok because they are fictional violence? What about the inumerable war based games? Those are ok too? What if the next Medal of Honor let you be the pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima? Would that be acceptable? Or if the next Call of Duty let you fire bomb Dresden? Is that ok?
Don't be hyprocrites, guys.
Sl1pstream
05-17-2007, 09:56 AM
Right. So the violence in games like GTA, Postal, and Manhunt needs to be protected but this doesn't? This is somehow out of line? Oh...those games are ok because they are fictional violence? What about the inumerable war based games? Those are ok too? What if the next Medal of Honor let you be the pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima? Would that be acceptable? Or if the next Call of Duty let you fire bomb Dresden? Is that ok?
Don't be hyprocrites, guys.
What hypocrites? This is nothing like those games, this isn't even like Super Columbine Massacre RPG. Seriously, go to Newgrounds.com and play this turd, you'll see why we're reacting the way we are.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 09:58 AM
I definitly think that the game is offensive but I also think its an exercise in free speech.
Thats why we have the right to begin with...I checked the game out...its pretty bad both in quality and taste and I'm going exercise my freedom to ignore it.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 10:05 AM
Right. So the violence in games like GTA, Postal, and Manhunt needs to be protected but this doesn't? This is somehow out of line? Oh...those games are ok because they are fictional violence? What about the inumerable war based games? Those are ok too? What if the next Medal of Honor let you be the pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima? Would that be acceptable? Or if the next Call of Duty let you fire bomb Dresden? Is that ok?
Don't be hyprocrites, guys. I completely agree with you, hence I stay away from ww2 games. Its cute how they won't use the swastika on german flags but instead use the imperial maltese cross thingie from the pre nazi era. Nicely side stepping the not so marketable parts of that particular world conflict.
But I digress, no one here needs to hear from me that this kid has no empathy or taste.
I sincerely hope he gets runover by a speeding bus so someone can make a near impossible frogger game featuring him.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 10:13 AM
I completely agree with you, hence I stay away from ww2 games. Its cute how they won't use the swastika on german flags but instead use the imperial maltese cross thingie from the pre nazi era. Nicely side stepping the not so marketable parts of that particular world conflict.
But I digress, no one here needs to hear from me that this kid has no empathy or taste.
I sincerely hope he gets runover by a speeding bus so someone can make a near impossible frogger game featuring him.
What WWII games have you been playing?? The dozen or so I've played use the Swatsika on the uniforms and equipment that would have displayed one and the others used the more traditional Germany Army symbols.
The German Army wasn't plastored with Swastikas...there tanks and planes did not usually have them. The more traditional Cross was used.
Let's not invent history to prove a point.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 10:24 AM
What WWII games have you been playing?? The dozen or so I've played use the Swatsika on the uniforms and equipment that would have displayed one and the others used the more traditional Germany Army symbols.
The German Army wasn't plastored with Swastikas...there tanks and planes did not usually have them. The more traditional Cross was used.
Let's not invent history to prove a point.
Day of defeat and company of heroes. And yes it was. Id post a swastika to show you what one looks like, but thats going above and beyond the call of good taste just to school a troll. If you look up a pic of a ju-88 the bombing emissary of the germans youll see one on the rudder. Heck look at the rudders of any german ww2 planes you'll see one. The germans covered their tanks in swastika flags for aerial identification, I can and will argue if pushed that the nazi swastika was as much an integral part of the german army as low budget pinto beans are of you.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 10:30 AM
Day of defeat and company of heroes. And yes it was.
Two games...wow I see a pattern!
Day of defeat simply showed german troops amongst city ruins. Why would there be Swatskikas on German field uniforms and within French and Belgian ruins?
You do realize the Swatsika was the symbol for the government and not the military. German tanks, planes, u-boats would have had the iron cross not the Swatsika.
Sure...the Swatsika was used in some occasions but the german soldiers did not ware them in the field.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 10:34 AM
Day of defeat and company of heroes. And yes it was. Id post a swastika to show you what one looks like, but thats going above and beyond the call of good taste just to school a troll. If you look up a pic of a ju-88 the dive bombing emissary of the germans youll see one, as well the germans covered their tanks in swastika flags for aerial identification, i can argue that the nazi swastika was as much an integral part of the german army as low budget pinto beans are of you.
Dag...my grandfathers brother was in the german army...my father has his uniform in storage...it does not have a single swatsika...nor does any of his gear. None of the pics that he has ever had a swatsika in them.
Spare me your ignorant version of history...the Swatsika was not used the way you think it was. And your overall argument...that two games featuring field equipment is pretty stupid as well. You are consistantly one of the biggest idiots in this forum.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 10:35 AM
http://www.myonlineimages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/finb.jpg
Yo dude check out my tailplane that i found!
Also If you look at any ww2 german officer youll see the imperial eagle and right below it ...the swastika!
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 10:38 AM
The funny thing is...Day of Defeat doesnt feature the ju-88 nor does it featire any plane rudders...but Dag uses that game as an example!
That game featured field uniforms and tanks and a simple google search will show that they weren't plastored with swastikas.
Any other dumb arguments?
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 10:39 AM
Yo dude check out my tailplane that i found!
Is that a scene from Day of Defeat?
Why would you show a plane rudder when you mentioned games that feature ground troops?
(not too bright are you)
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 10:41 AM
The funny thing is...Day of Defeat doesnt feature the ju-88 nor does it featire any plane rudders...but Dag uses that game as an example!
That game featured field uniforms and tanks and a simple google search will show that they weren't plastored with swastikas.
Any other dumb arguments?
Ah but I said the flags. My rebuttal was that (in reality) the German planes all had them (on their rudders) to counter your saying that the Germans "rarely" fielded the swastika. Which of course is ludicrous. Here are some pictures to illustrate.
http://www.myonlineimages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/wdsd.jpg
above: DOD German cross.
and here (below) is what you'd see on the side of EVERY WWII German battle helmet. (German Army not the SS, the SS had cool little lightning bolts, and a less cool more fanatic history).
http://www.myonlineimages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/gdg.jpg
And finally here's what youd see on every German officers hat, and on their breast i believe (same thing applies as above: The ss had, instead a "scary" skull.)
http://www.myonlineimages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/czxczxc.jpg
True story.
And thus big difference between the matlese type cross pictured in the day of defeat pic (and currently fielded) and the nazi swastika then fielded (everywhere) and neatly sidestepped by our cookie cutter WW2 devs, unwitting brainwashing little kiddies like yourself, (in an effort to be politically correct, no doubt) that the German army had somehow nothing to do with the Nazi party or the swastika. LOL.
*Edit: And since you pulled the "My relative of this relative served in this army" bull shit,
I'll tell you I had an actual grandfather serving in the german army (and the other one in the Polish Army) the former showed and told me enough crazy shit about his time in WWII for the second hand memory of it to burn right through any ww2 themed shooter spin-marketing.
Any ww2 shooter is in as bad taste as any columbine game or VTech shooter. Anything else, as furious pointed out is hypocrisy.
Greymane
05-17-2007, 11:38 AM
Reality exists between the extremes.
Yep, swastika was indeed on every German military uniform during WW2 - on the hat and above the breast pocket. In both cases it was a fairly small ornamentation, and not something particularly visible either at distance.
But that's all beside the real point at hand - that is, WW2 games stripping some of the more divisive symbols and ideology from the German army in their presentations of WW2. Company of Heroes never refers to the Fuhrer or Hitler or similar; in all cases where you'd normally expect to hear Fuhrer (or similar) said, the game had 'Leader' substituted in. German soldiers shouting, "For the leader!" as they rush to battle.
A little awkward, actually.
I'm not sure why this is necessarily a real problem, though - the game's a product, and I would assume it's been stripped of these divisive aspects to make it more appealing in Germany. Is that really so great a crime against history?
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 11:49 AM
Is that really so great a crime against history?
Yes. I believe it is. If in doing this, makes kids like snoogs believe and actually put to print that the Nazi party had nothing to do with the German Army.
You do realize the Swatsika was the symbol for the government and not the military.
Sure...the Swatsika was used in some occasions but the german soldiers did not ware them in the field.
Am I the only one seeing something wrong in taking a conflict that killed millions (not just 35 innocent students) cherry picking off the problematic symbols and facts like flies from pea soup and pasting on the politically correct insignias and "leaders" packaging it all up and selling it wholesale to an impressionable audience who could on one hand, denounce columbine style shooters and on the other eagerly await the next COH, DOD, MOH, etc...
Everyone who loves WW2 shooters so much ought spend a night in a foxhole with a cold corpse for a companion.
williambraski
05-17-2007, 12:53 PM
Am I the only one seeing something wrong in taking a conflict that killed millions (not just 35 innocent students) cherry picking off the problematic symbols and facts like flies from pea soup
Yes, yes you are. You're the ONLY person on this whole PLANET that has any scruples over the censorship of history.
Can we get back to crapping on this retard for his obvious attempt at receiving his 15 minutes?
Chameleo
05-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Yes, yes you are. You're the ONLY person on this whole PLANET that has any scruples over the censorship of history.
Can we get back to crapping on this retard for his obvious attempt at receiving his 15 minutes?
no he's not, i agree with him as well.
the aussi guy is pretty retarded but hes using tragic events to make a buck the same way the WWII shooter devs are.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:15 PM
Yes. I believe it is. If in doing this, makes kids like snoogs believe and actually put to print that the Nazi party had nothing to do with the German Army.
*Absolutely, patently, and sadly wrong. .
Oh brother....we're talking about symbols on their uniforms. I guess my great-uncle was the only one not issued any...they must have run out :rolleyes:
Your argument is so weak and pathetic you've now resorted to lying by saying that I suggested that the Army had nothing to do with the Nazi party when you know damn well the conversation was about symbols on uniforms and NOT the chain of command or the armies role underneath the government.
Dag...your argument bkew up in your face...you pointed out Day of Defeat and then used a picture of a plane rudder as your defense despite the fact that Day of Defeat features only ground troops.
I didnt realize in addition to a uniform and a rifle each infantryman was issued a plane rudder :rolleyes:
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:27 PM
I'll tell you I had an actual grandfather serving in the german army (and the other one in the Polish Army) the former showed and told me enough crazy shit about his time in WWII for the second hand memory of it to burn right through any ww2 themed shooter spin-marketing.
Any ww2 shooter is in as bad taste as any columbine game or VTech shooter. Anything else, as furious pointed out is hypocrisy.
Funny...he didnt point out that his uniform didnt feature any swatsikas. I guess you ignored that so you could continue this absurd argument.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 01:31 PM
Oh brother....we're talking about symbols on their uniforms. I guess my great-uncle was the only one not issued any...they must have run out :rolleyes:
Every enlisted helmet had this:
http://www.myonlineimages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/gdg.jpg
He must have worn a helmet unless he was just selling cookies.
..lying by saying that I suggested that the Army had nothing to do with the Nazi party when you know damn well the conversation was about symbols on uniforms and NOT the chain of command or the armies role underneath the government.
You do realize the Swatsika was the symbol for the government and not the military. Sure...the Swatsika was used in some occasions but the german soldiers did not ware them in the field.
Its been pointed out repeatedly that the opposite is true. The conversation was in fact was about censorship of history to make a quick buck off tragedies, you tried to make it about uniforms. I mentioned flags.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:35 PM
Every enlisted helmet had this:
http://www.MyOnlineImages.com/members/dag-sabot/images/gdg.jpg
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Its been pointed out repeatedly that the opposite is true. The conversation was in fact was about censorship of history to make a quick buck, you tried to make it about uniforms.
Then why did you point out a plane rudder when the game didnt even have planes??? :confused:
talk about desperation on your behalf...next you'll be showing Hitler in a dress uniform. What that has to do with german soldiers in a video game is beyond anyone.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:36 PM
Wolf3D had swatsikas all over it. Funny how you don't point that one out.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:38 PM
I mentioned flags.
Actually you didnt...so in addition to a uniform, a rifle and a plane rudder each german was issued a flag that they were instructed to wave around during combat. the fact that Day of Defeat doesnt do this is clear censorship!! :p
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 01:40 PM
The helmets re: the army, as in issued to members of. Stamped on the side of such a helmet and army helmet was the above eagle holding a swastika icon.
The rudder was in response to you saying that in ww2 the germans rarely displayed the swastika. I never once said there were bombers in DOD, but if they were they sure as hell wouldnt have swastikas, they'd likely be edited out.
Im beginning to think that a good portion of this tread is over your head.
Utils
05-17-2007, 01:43 PM
Too soon!!
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:44 PM
Im beginning to think that a good portion of this tread is over your head.
What ever helps you rationalize your own stupid argument...but just to be nice I'll pretend that your pointing out ONE vehicle equals swatsikas being plastered everywhere. I'll ignore the fact that their tanks, etc didnt have them plastered everywhere.
See...if we just dispense with reality and googles search features we can all see the world how you do.
FYI...I just looked up the US GI model in Day of Defeat. Interestingly enough it doesnt feature all of the patches etc that a US soldier would have worn. More censorship??? :p
TheFlyingOrc
05-17-2007, 01:45 PM
What WWII games have you been playing?? The dozen or so I've played use the Swatsika on the uniforms and equipment that would have displayed one and the others used the more traditional Germany Army symbols.
.
I'm used to Wolfenstein 3D(the original). As I recall, Hitler was a robot.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:45 PM
I'm used to Wolfenstein 3D(the original). As I recall, Hitler was a robot.
Wolf3D has swatsikas galore...it was also banned in Germany because of that if I remember correctly.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 01:47 PM
I mentioned flags..
Actually you didnt...so in addition to a uniform, a rifle and a plane rudder each german was issued a flag that they were instructed to wave around during combat. the fact that Day of Defeat doesnt do this is clear censorship!! :p
Yes I did.
I completely agree with you, hence I stay away from ww2 games. Its cute how they won't use the swastika on german flags but instead use the imperial maltese cross thingie from the pre nazi era. Nicely side stepping the not so marketable parts of that particular world conflict
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 01:51 PM
Yes I did.
Looks like you did...I'll give you that one. :p
Too soon!!
Sorry man. Your post is lost in a whole sea of "other".
Utils
05-17-2007, 01:58 PM
Lost in... Blue?
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 02:00 PM
Actually his solider's id had the nazi eagle clutching the swastika. But i wasnt trying to agrgue that he wasnt in the german army and yes basically a nazi.
Being in the german army doesnt make you a nazi any more than being in the US army makes you a Republican.
My great uncle was drafted at a rediculously young age. You can call them nazis because thats what their government consisted of but thats pretty ignorant seeing as MILLIONS of german men were drafted regardless of political offiliation. Perhaps thats why games like Day of Defeat use the Iron Cross....who knows...but they certainly didnt get the uniforms wrong.
Goronmon
05-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Everyone who loves WW2 shooters so much ought spend a night in a foxhole with a cold corpse for a companion.You'd think it wouldn't, but stupid comments like this still surprise me this day. It's like people don't want anyone else to take them seriously. Well...mission accomplished my friend.
Lost in... Blue?
I'm not really sure in which direction I should take that, exactly. So I'm going to nod and congratulate you on a good show.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 02:43 PM
You'd think it wouldn't, but stupid comments like this still surprise me this day. It's like people don't want anyone else to take them seriously. Well...mission accomplished my friend.
With all due respect, I don't see me losing much sleep trying to figure out how to get back into your good graces. But wow, what a well reasoned point you make and you must have come all that way to flame, hey sit down take a load off and have a "shut the fuck up" sandwich and wash it down with some gtfo'ade.
Furious Wang
05-17-2007, 02:56 PM
Lets not forget Counterstrike. A massively popular game that actually lets you play as a terrorist. Where's the outrage?
Lets say someone put out a game that let you play as a terrorist flying the plane into the world trade center. Would you be outraged over that but find acceptable a round of counterstrike where you set the bomb to blow up a mall?
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 03:18 PM
Lets not forget Counterstrike. A massively popular game that actually lets you play as a terrorist. Where's the outrage?
Lets say someone put out a game that let you play as a terrorist flying the plane into the world trade center. Would you be outraged over that but find acceptable a round of counterstrike where you set the bomb to blow up a mall?
Well put. Perhaps in 70 or so years our grand kids will while away their hours trying to figure out how to get their characters to escape a collapsing World Trade building before the other team slams in with the second plane. You'll know the bad guys by their beards.
Greymane
05-17-2007, 04:39 PM
Sir, sir! That molehill was just fine as is!
VTMarik
05-17-2007, 04:58 PM
I've said it once, I'll say it again:
Who needs realism? These are video games!
williambraski
05-17-2007, 05:07 PM
no he's not, i agree with him as well.
the aussi guy is pretty retarded but hes using tragic events to make a buck the same way the WWII shooter devs are.
that giant woosh sound was the sarcasm blowing right over your head on its way into geosynchronous orbit.
Dag-Sabot
05-17-2007, 08:01 PM
I've said it once, I'll say it again:
Who needs realism? These are video games!
Fair enough. However, people on one hand decry the games that diminish recent human tragedies yet make time to glorify and play other games that diminish far greater past tragedies as long as obnoxious symbols of the past are cleansed and relased for mass consumption. Its a disservice to the dead. It's hypocritical. That's my point.
Schnoogs
05-17-2007, 08:25 PM
Fair enough. However, people on one hand decry the games that diminish recent human tragedies yet make time to glorify and play other games that diminish far greater past tragedies as long as obnoxious symbols of the past are cleansed and relased for mass consumption. Its a disservice to the dead. It's hypocritical. That's my point.
You have no point...
Your evidence? The into screen to Day of Defeat. Only a complete moron would think thats a pattern...or a conspiracy to white wash history.
Get over the fact that the Swastika was not the symbol for the german army.
Dag-Sabot
05-18-2007, 08:08 AM
You have no point...
Your evidence? The into screen to Day of Defeat. Only a complete moron would think thats a pattern...or a conspiracy to white wash history.
Get over the fact that the Swastika was not the symbol for the german army.
Take your Rhytalin, and note that yes, in fact i have made my point. Whether you choose to ignore it or miss it completely is none of my concern.
As far as the whole swastika business, your blind ignorance speaks volumes. Stay in school.
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