No Nightcrawler in X-Men 3?

[agentgray]

One of the better characters in X-Men 2 played by Alan Cumming is handed what appears to be a movie "pink-slip (http://thebosh.com/archives/2005/06/alan_cumming_sk.php)"Fox has not picked up his option to play Nightcrawler for a second movie.
Sigh.

[n3rdXcore]

damnit. i thought nightcrawler was awesome in X2.

double sigh

[KarmaGhost]

Seriously, WTF.

tripple sigh

[Steve_Erhardt]

Because it makes complete sense to do the Phoenix storyline packed into 2-3 hours and ditch Nightcrawler in favor of Kitty Pryde, who wasn't yet an X-Man, didn't know Jean Grey, and had nothing to do with the story and who's phasing power will be SO helpful (que Aquaman talking to fish jokes). *sigh*

I always like Kitty Pryde, to be honest, and thought the stupidest thing they ever did was send her down the sorely beaten path of ninja-training (how cliche') just to make her "cooler". But the further along X3 progresses, and the more I learn about it, the more I worry how mangled it's going to be. I hope to hell I'm wrong, of course, but I worry nonetheless.

[DeadPixel]

What a stupid idea... Coolest character ever!

[Xaerin]

Hope he's going to return in the sequel to Legends.

[Cha-Ka]

SPOILERS

My guess is they're reluctant to have too many characters in the movie. The rumors are that Beast and Kitty Pryde will be making their debut this time around, and that Storm will have a more prominent role this time around. With rumors of Dark Phoenix on the horizon - which would call for more Cyclops screen time - I think they've got enough to cram in there without the movie seeming overly crowded with underdeveloped characters.

/SPOILERS

Besides, X 1&2 director Bryan Singer jumped ship to direct Superman Returns and the new director is supposedly Brett Ratner (Bourne Identity) who's yet to impress me. All in all, I'd start getting ready to hate X3...that way if it's at least mediocre, I'll be pleasantly suprised.

[Everlost_MI]

But but..ok fine but what about Colossus?!?! C'mon...I want to see him throw Wolverine as a fastball special. Does that make me too much of a geeky fan boy? Probably! :D

[Kefkataran]

I've also heard that Gambit will be around, which I'd fully support, but it's probably just a rumor. This is too bad. X3 is sounding worse and worse with every report. Still, my fingers are crossed.

[Cha-Ka]

But but..ok fine but what about Colossus?!?! C'mon...I want to see him throw Wolverine as a fastball special.

I agree! Maybe he'll make an appearance in the Wolverine movie that's in the works.

[YoungAlCapone]

weaksauce, that is really all I have to say but there is the character limit which requires that I write more.

[RMan]

BTW, the article says that the actor won't be in it, not necessarily that Nightcrawler won't.

[agentgray]

BTW, the article says that the actor won't be in it, not necessarily that Nightcrawler won't.
Somehow I don't think this will be the same as when they replaced Darrin in Bewitched. :D

[GigaFuzz]

BTW, the article says that the actor won't be in it, not necessarily that Nightcrawler won't.

It would seem a bit silly to have Nightcrawler in the film played by a different actor, when by the sounds of it, Alan Cumming is available.

[TrackZero]

Somehow I don't think this will be the same as when they replaced Darrin in Bewitched. :D

Zing. That's so cold, but probably true.

[Gitaroomaan]

SPOILERS

My guess is they're reluctant to have too many characters in the movie. The rumors are that Beast and Kitty Pryde will be making their debut this time around, and that Storm will have a more prominent role this time around. With rumors of Dark Phoenix on the horizon - which would call for more Cyclops screen time - I think they've got enough to cram in there without the movie seeming overly crowded with underdeveloped characters.

/SPOILERS

Besides, X 1&2 director Bryan Singer jumped ship to direct Superman Returns and the new director is supposedly Brett Ratner (Bourne Identity) who's yet to impress me. All in all, I'd start getting ready to hate X3...that way if it's at least mediocre, I'll be pleasantly suprised.

None of those rumors are rumors, they are all studio confirmed facts. Also, Brett Ratner did not direct the Bourne Identity, he directed the Rush Hour movies along with Red Dragon.

[Orphiuchus]

Well, at least we know that x-men 3 will suck harder than batman and robin, and we can all avoid spening money on it.

[Mac]

Well, at least we know that x-men 3 will suck harder than batman and robin, and we can all avoid spening money on it.

No way, do not even go there.

Batman & Robin - one of the worst "films" ever made.

Forget the one-liners like "Ice to meet you!" or "Stay Cool!" or the hilarious "Chill out!". Forget the Bat-Nipples. Forget the close-ups on the rubber Bat-ass. Forget the fact that Batman and Robin are going to Public Galas in Gotham City in goddamn costume. Forget the ice-hockey game against Freeze's goons. Nevermind possibly the worst combination of script writing, directing and casting ever to go into a major motion picture. The tipping point, the scene in which I almost killed myself, is none other than the following.

The Bat-Credit Card.

When Batman took out the fucking Bat-credit card and uttered the one-liner of "I never leave the cave without it.", I didn't know what to do with my hands - rip off my ears or gouge my eyes out. That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen seen in a movie...no, that is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Period. The card literally said "BATMAN" across it in big letters. Think about it for a second - what bank is going to honor that? Does Batman go to Ace hardware and buy fucking Bat-a-rangs on his Bat-credit card?

Batman & Robin isn't bad. Glitter was bad. Gigli was bad. Episode I was bad. It is an absolute fucking catastrophe. This movie single-handidly killed a franchise. After seeing this movie I was ready to kill director Joel Schumacher. So help me God, I was willing to kill him. Between the bat-Credit Card and blatant homosexuality running rampant through the film, death was the least I could do for him.

[Eric_T_Cheng]

Alan Cumming wasn't disappointed of the news. He openly bitched about the blue make-up for the Nightcrawler part and he REALLY hated working with Bryan Singer on X2. He said in interviews he didn't look forward to X3 but was contractually obligated (until now).

[YoungAlCapone]

Very well said Mac.

If they have somebody else play Nightcrawler that will be the final straw for me, I will throw in the towel and finally admit to myself that X3 is going to be absolutely terrible.

[Cha-Ka]

Forget the Bat-Nipples.

I CAN'T!! Even after years of expensive therepy the image is still burned into my mind's eye. Those rubber nipples are the last thing I see before drifting off to sleep each night. *shudder*

[Heretic Machine]

I guess I'm the only person who doesn't like Nightcrawler? As for Kitty... it's about time they gave her decent screen time.

[Cha-Ka]

None of those rumors are rumors, they are all studio confirmed facts. Also, Brett Ratner did not direct the Bourne Identity, he directed the Rush Hour movies along with Red Dragon.

Oops. My bad. Then X3 really is doomed!

[bardockkun]

Even with the director of Rush Hour and the genius writers of Elektra and Fantastic Four ill still go see it. Since this is going to be the most "controversial X-Men movie" where...



*SPOILERS*
3 X-Men die, one loses their powers, and two get it on
*END SPOILERS*



Plus im sure itll lead into the much more promising (though its what the first two X-Men movies have been) Wolverine movie.

[mkelehan]

That's really too bad. My favorite scene across both movies was the one in the beginning of X2, with Nightcrawler teleporting about and beating people up.

[Zanzibar]

Amen, Mac. Although Alien 3 may have been a bigger disappointment in terms of 'great franchise' to 'terrible second-rate franchise' in a span of one film.

I liked Batman Forever. Had Nicole Kidman. Val Kilmer didn't bother me. Jim Carrey was really fabulous as The Riddler. But it wasn't all that stellar. Coulda lived without the Bat-crack.

B&R, however, was horrifying. Start to finish. George Clooney gets blamed for the franchise crashing and burning, but in all honesty the rest of the movie was such a giant heaping galactic clusterfuck that I was too busy barfing at the rest of the movie to notice his performance. Was it that bad?

[Heretic Machine]

George Clooney shouldn't be blamed for him being miscast.

[Zanzibar]

Amen, Mac. Although Alien 3 may have been a bigger disappointment in terms of 'great franchise' to 'terrible second-rate franchise' in a span of one film.


Ack. I'm even gonna contradict myself - a friend of mine just read what I wrote and said 'Alien 3 was a masterpiece compared to the Mother Of All Franchise-Killers: Matrix Reloaded.'

He is right. There can be no others.

[Mac]

George Clooney shouldn't be blamed for him being miscast.

He read that script and put his name to the project. That's enough, man. That's enough. He's admitted since he knew the project was shit, but he wanted the Batsuit.

[bardockkun]

George Clooney shouldn't be blamed for him being miscast.
George Clooney himself even admited to helping destroy the Batman franchise, that's more than enough reason for the blame. And as for Jim Carey being a good Riddler, more like another damn Joker since Tim Burton made the stupid mistake of killing him.

[Zanzibar]

George Clooney himself even admited to helping destroy the Batman franchise, that's more than enough reason for the blame. And as for Jim Carey being a good Riddler, more like another damn Joker since Tim Burton made the stupid mistake of killing him.

All right, I'll admit it, I like George Clooney. Those quotes of Clooney are just his style; he places himself as a convenient target for ALL of his movies that don't do well. But I really can't remember a point in B&R where I winced that he was doing a terrible job.

Uma was terrible. Arnold was worse. Alicia Silverstone was more awful still. Chris O'Donnell made me say 'WTF' a number of times. Bane was lame. Terrible dialogue for all of the above characters. Bad sets and effects, particularly for Arkham Asylum. A script that to this day deserves to be burned in effigy daily. Joel Schumacher finally succumbed to his 60s drug-induced coma.

What did Clooney do that transcended all of the above tragedies so that he shoulders the lion's share of the blame?

[Savok]

And just after they got Nightcrawler right...

[bardockkun]

All right, I'll admit it, I like George Clooney. Those quotes of Clooney are just his style; he places himself as a convenient target for ALL of his movies that don't do well. But I really can't remember a point in B&R where I winced that he was doing a terrible job.

Uma was terrible. Arnold was worse. Alicia Silverstone was more awful still. Chris O'Donnell made me say 'WTF' a number of times. Bane was lame. Terrible dialogue for all of the above characters. Bad sets and effects, particularly for Arkham Asylum. A script that to this day deserves to be burned in effigy daily. Joel Schumacher finally succumbed to his 60s drug-induced coma.

What did Clooney do that transcended all of the above tragedies so that he shoulders the lion's share of the blame?
Ill admit, Clooney wasnt as bad as Uma and Arnold (who shouldve just settled for a sequel to Jingle All the Way or Junior than that abomination), but when you take up the cowl of Batman there's just a sense of responsibility for reaching all those fanboy expectations. It took sooooo many years for Batman not to just be thought of as Adam West and finally claim the mantle of The Dark Knight. So once youre Batman it can be a double edged sword with either being hated by thousands upon millions of fans or being adored and being known as the best Batman. Plus the fact George Clooney's looks shined through the cowl didnt help, along with the nipples, the ice skates from the shoes, and lets not forget the bat card. Sure Robin did most of the same things but the fact that the title begins as Batman and this is the 4th BATMAN movie, than all the focus will always be on Batman.

*Edit* It's so hard to make a Jingle All the Way refrence without trying to make a Conan O'Brien Arnold refrence, hell even now sitll tempted.

[Heretic Machine]

I liked Jingle All the Way :p

[Heretic Machine]

Oh, and WTF is with killing off big villains after a single movie? Batman does it, Spider-man does it, the friggin Hulk did it... The only ones who haven't killed off their primairy villains after one movie are the X-men. It's almost as if script writers can't think of a different way to end a movie... You might start to think that these movies are written with a formula! 0.0

[RMan]

It would seem a bit silly to have Nightcrawler in the film played by a different actor, when by the sounds of it, Alan Cumming is available.
I agree, but I don't know what's happening behind the scenes, if it's looking like the guy isn't the right choice for the role then it's better to replace him now than later (if that's the case). I really wouldn't mind if Nightcrawler wasn't in the next one, as long as that was being done to advance more interesting character arcs that meld better with the plot. Honestly, before seeing it I thought the first movie looked cheap and weak, but was very happy with it and the second. So, I'll give them a pretty serious benefit of the doubt, and unless they're replacing Wolverine with Leonardo DiCaprio then I'll reserve judgment till I see the movie.

[bardockkun]

Oh, and WTF is with killing off big villains after a single movie? Batman does it, Spider-man does it, the friggin Hulk did it... The only ones who haven't killed off their primairy villains after one movie are the X-men. It's almost as if script writers can't think of a different way to end a movie... You might start to think that these movies are written with a formula! 0.0
Because no one really dies in comic books and i think this will remain true in comic book movies. I mean honestly the concept of how to stop a miniture sun was ridiculous, even an insult to my inteligence (my only main gripe with the movie) so i doubt something like that can kill Doctor Octopus.

[novicius]

Alan Cumming wasn't disappointed of the news. He openly bitched about the blue make-up for the Nightcrawler part and he REALLY hated working with Bryan Singer on X2. He said in interviews he didn't look forward to X3 but was contractually obligated (until now).
To that I say, "Uh, so what?" :rolleyes:

It's not like Cumming brought something no other skinny actor done up in blue makeup couldn't do. Hell, at least he gets to wear clothes (unlike Rebecca Romijn)! Bah, Nightcrawler can be replaced -- hell, I say the *entire* cast can be replaced! Somebody, please, tell me how tall Wolverine is supposed to be?

Hollywood. They can't fall into the Pacific fast enough... :mad:

[Racknahm]

Because no one really dies in comic books and i think this will remain true in comic book movies. I mean honestly the concept of how to stop a miniture sun was ridiculous, even an insult to my inteligence (my only main gripe with the movie) so i doubt something like that can kill Doctor Octopus.

I believe Perigon was being what is called sarcastic. A use of an ironic statement in an insulting way.

[Mac]

Somebody, please, tell me how tall Wolverine is supposed to be?



5 ft. 3 in.

[Spigot]

I just want to see some Sentinel action this time around. That's it. Just send the giant purple mutant squishers out and I'll be happy.

Is it just me, or does anyone have a wierd disconnect when they see interviews with David Hayter, the scriptwriter of the X-Men movies? Why the disconnect? Because the guy's Solid frickin' Snake, that's why. I keep expecting him to break into Snake's trademark growl when he does an interview, but nope...

[bardockkun]

I just want to see some Sentinel action this time around. That's it. Just send the giant purple mutant squishers out and I'll be happy.

Is it just me, or does anyone have a wierd disconnect when they see interviews with David Hayter, the scriptwriter of the X-Men movies? Why the disconnect? Because the guy's Solid frickin' Snake, that's why. I keep expecting him to break into Snake's trademark growl when he does an interview, but nope...
No Sentinel's but *SPOILER* we get the phoenix and a cure for mutants with mixed results *END SPOILER*

[Blue]

Say you've got a pretty famous recipe that makes a mean set of nachos. Now what if people, collectively, paid you millions of dollars for you to make these nachos. They're a hit. Then, you decide that...well....you know what? You don't really want to be bothered with putting cheese on those nachos. Cheese. An ingrediant that makes the entire plate of your famous nachos both tasy and delicious when coupled with a myrid of other, equally great, elements. You're just shooting yourself in the foot.

The moral of the story? Fox needs to keep the cheese.

[Savok]

Good point, where are the Sentinals? X-Men without Sentinals is like X-Men without mutants.

[Kefkataran]

I was pretty sad to learn that X3 will not be playing out the original Sentinel story arc. They really should get to that if they make a fourth film (i.e. if this one doesn't blow).

[Wyrm]

I god damn hate the guy that directed the Bourne Identity. The movie was good, the direction was sub par. Directors need to learn how to make a fight scene where the camera man doesnt have a skitzofrinic episode to show 'realistic battle crazyness'.

[Teddeh]

"
*SPOILERS*
3 X-Men die, one loses their powers, and two get it on
*END SPOILERS*
"

*** EXTREME SPOILERS!! ***

Should be in black, highlight to view.

Extreme hearsay from AICN, take with small salt mine.


3 X-Men die, one loses their powers, and two get it on

Cyclops, Storm (Killed by Jean Grey/Phoenix) and one other.

Mystique

Wolverine, Storm.


*** END EXTREME SPOILERS ***

[Kefkataran]

I read about those spoilers earlier. And people can tell from them alone why the movie isn't sounding good.

[BigJonno]

Ack. I'm even gonna contradict myself - a friend of mine just read what I wrote and said 'Alien 3 was a masterpiece compared to the Mother Of All Franchise-Killers: Matrix Reloaded.'

He is right. There can be no others.


Highlander 2. There should've been only one.

[dr_wily]

i liked matrix reloaded.. especially after reading the corporatemofo.com's take on it.
sure plot holes aplenty. but damn it was fun.

[Blue]

i liked matrix reloaded.. especially after reading the corporatemofo.com's take on it.
sure plot holes aplenty. but damn it was fun.

I'm curious, and I'll allow myself to be attacked here, but I'm not entirely sure what the plot holes in the two follow-up Matrix films were. I know every film has some, and maybe I'm blind as I like Reloaded and Revolutions (I consider them one film, but whatever) better than the first, but I honestly cannot figure where these plot holes aplenty fall.

Enlighten me?

[Kefkataran]

Blue: I'm one of the few who mostly enjoyed Reloaded and Revolutions as well. I don't think it was better than the first, but I still thoroughly liked them/thought them worth my cash.

[Blue]

Blue: I'm one of the few who mostly enjoyed Reloaded and Revolutions as well. I don't think it was better than the first, but I still thoroughly liked them/thought them worth my cash.

Should you ever be in the Ohio area, I'm taking you out for a drink. This isn't a come-on, so don't get your hopes up.

[Kefkataran]

Should you ever be in the Ohio area, I'm taking you out for a drink. This isn't a come-on, so don't get your hopes up.

Damn. Well, fair enough. I'm going to be next summer, probably.

[Blue]

Damn. Well, fair enough. I'm going to be next summer, probably.

Sold

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