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Jetherik
06-19-2005, 07:09 PM
Was just wondering, has anyone tried the Batman Begins game? Was the movie any good? Would Mr. and Mrs. Smith make a good game? Was the movie any good, or just glorified explosions?
Mr_Snuffle
06-19-2005, 07:14 PM
not me, awesome, maybe, good.
TrackZero
06-19-2005, 07:22 PM
Wait, so is this question about the game or the movie? Because they're two different things. Movie = fantastic. Game = Meh, ok.
And a Mr. and Mrs. Smith game is the worst idea I've heard this month. I wish you hadn't even suggested it, just in case some producer gets wind of the idea.
Talanvor
06-19-2005, 07:28 PM
Yes, go and see the movie if you like Batman at all.
Christian Bale - Best. Batman. Ever.
Racknahm
06-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Yes, go and see the movie if you like Batman at all.
Christian Bale - Best. Batman. Ever.
Even if, god forbid, you prefer Superman.
Mr_Snuffle
06-19-2005, 07:32 PM
Who perfers superman to batman? Crazy people, that's who
Batman > *
novicius
06-19-2005, 07:39 PM
'Batman Begins' has actual actor voice, which is a big bonus, but the game is *painfully* linear with strange, almost disturbing, animations. Mo-cap, EA, mo-cap; by far quicker than hand-animating and they'd get to cut down some positions, too (apologies to any animators reading -- but IMHO mo-cap looks better). Movement is strange, slip-slidey, and the fighting is like running through quicksand. Overall, a rental at *best*, but honestly games like this is why EA games earn the rep for crap quality that they do.
Christian Bale - Best. Batman. Ever.
Only if you're excluding Michael Keaton, obviously.
Only if you're excluding Michael Keaton, obviously.
You are my new favorite person. My goodness that's the most intelligent thing anyone has said all month.
thecrazyd
06-19-2005, 08:22 PM
This is news?
danhoo
06-19-2005, 08:23 PM
Would Mr. and Mrs. Smith make a good game?
You could make a game out of this if the player was allowed to undress Angelina Jolie over and over again in high-def. Otherwise, the answer is no.
Does this post really belong on the main news page? It doesn't bring any new information to the table nor is it really a thought provoking question. I don't mean to be a dick but i think to maintain this site's rep we need to keep strict opinion posts like this off the main news page.
Now that I've said that Mr. and Mrs. Smith (the movie) was quite lame, wasn't particularly exciting and really made no sense.
Batman: Begins (the movie) is without a doubt the best batman movie ever. It puts a realistic spin on everything batman is. In terms of modern superhero movies I'd put it below the two spidermans which are of course below the Incredibles.
Batman: Begins (the movie) is without a doubt the best batman movie ever. It puts a realistic spin on everything batman is. In terms of modern superhero movies I'd put it below the two spidermans which are of course below the Incredibles.
Yes, of course :rolleyes:
Realistic? The man blew-up an entire elite Ninja force compound on his own. I'm not questioning Batman's ability to do so but rather the fact that there's a hidden Ninja force who uses water supplies to bring entire cities to their knees. And that Crane guy running around in a Scarecrow mask who was, inevitably, foiled by a tazzer? Bah.
Realistic is a very loose term, especially within the confines of a comic-book film. And, if anything, my money's on the Crow.
Mr_Snuffle
06-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Realistic isn't the right word, explained is better
Realistic isn't the right word, explained is better
Heh. I was more referring to the fact that I thought the movie blew goats. But you're right, it was explained very well and at least done so in an approachable fashion.
Heh. I was more referring to the fact that I thought the movie blew goats.
I said it was the best Batman. I didn't say I liked any of the other Batmans at all.
Kefkataran
06-19-2005, 09:35 PM
My opinion: Batman Begins is the best superhero movie done to this point. Just terribly well-written with all the characters fleshed out and acting exactly as they should.
I said it was the best Batman. I didn't say I liked any of the other Batmans at all.
Okay....I don't remember asking....but okay.
Red Cloak
06-19-2005, 10:02 PM
The movie was crap, it shot for the stars and ended up being a half assed Burton ripoff. It is honestly extremly overated.
Kefkataran
06-19-2005, 10:07 PM
Red Cloak: Mind explaining that opinion at all? Or were you just trolling for flamebait, what with the first-post sign-up and all?
Man, the one guy on my side and his first post is a hate post. I can't win.
Ah well, either way he's right.
Mr_Snuffle
06-19-2005, 10:12 PM
The movie was crap, it shot for the stars and ended up being a half assed Burton ripoff. It is honestly extremly overated.
Bad and Burton ripoff?
Nope.
Adam Blue
06-19-2005, 10:21 PM
I have yet to see it, but my best friend/movie bud told me he didn't like it. What some of you say made it awesome, in ways dissapoints me. I will be seeing it soon. I know you all can't wait for my reaction.
I also didn't particularly like the movie. The following are a few reasons why:
- Christian Bale played a good Bruce Wayne without a doubt, but his rendition of Batman was less than promising. He just didn't have that "badass" character which Michael Keaton possessed, and Bale's Batman voice was so ridiculous I was laughing out loud in the theater.
- I cannot express in words how awful the Batmobile truly was, both in design (the body of the vehicle, the way it lowers your seat into a "horizontal firing position"), and in the way it was used (driving on roofs and flying between buildings).
- I've read that the story in Batman Begins follows the comics a little closer, but I don't like the way they strayed from the storyline of the already made Batman flicks (who killed Bruce's parents, and POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ******** the way they set up for the Joker at the end of the film ******** END SPOILERS). It just doesn't fit very well into the movie series now, unless they plan on making Begins and it's future sequels a seperate series.
There were a few other reasons, but these are the main ones. I will say this however: I did like the Scarecrow :D
Kefkataran
06-19-2005, 11:04 PM
Kris: Batman Begins isn't connected to the old movies at all. That's why the origin is slightly different and such. There is no connection there.
Red Cloak
06-19-2005, 11:22 PM
I have done a very long write up of why I found the movie to be crap. You can read it here:
http://opa-ages.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34674
Mr_Snuffle
06-19-2005, 11:32 PM
I have done a very long write up of why I found the movie to be crap. You can read it here:
http://opa-ages.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34674
I'm not signing up to read that, not that I expect it to be any good. The fact that you think it's a Burton rip off pretty much destroys your cred...
XenonCJ
06-19-2005, 11:37 PM
I also didn't particularly like the movie. The following are a few reasons why:
- Christian Bale played a good Bruce Wayne without a doubt, but his rendition of Batman was less than promising. He just didn't have that "badass" character which Michael Keaton possessed, and Bale's Batman voice was so ridiculous I was laughing out loud in the theater.
- I cannot express in words how awful the Batmobile truly was, both in design (the body of the vehicle, the way it lowers your seat into a "horizontal firing position"), and in the way it was used (driving on roofs and flying between buildings).
- I've read that the story in Batman Begins follows the comics a little closer, but I don't like the way they strayed from the storyline of the already made Batman flicks (who killed Bruce's parents, and POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ******** the way they set up for the Joker at the end of the film ******** END SPOILERS). It just doesn't fit very well into the movie series now, unless they plan on making Begins and it's future sequels a seperate series.
There were a few other reasons, but these are the main ones. I will say this however: I did like the Scarecrow :DI can only assume you were one of the people that saw Batman Returns, Batman & Robin, and Batman Forever and said "AWESOME D00D!"
Yes, the "I-am-a-scary-bat-man" voice was a bit over the top, but I consider it a relitivly minor detail. The development story of the charecter that is Batman was executed quite well in my opinion. And if you paid attention, the voice, could be consided an attempt at theatrics by Bruce Wayne as Batman. Theatrics to distract the enemy was one of the plot's core elements, and part of the Ninja training. And lets get down to brass tacks here, any movie with ninjas automatically gets some well deserved bonus points.
I like the new bat vehicle a lot actually. I thought the tough, armored, military look was quite appropiate. Much better than the plastic campy vehicles of the previous movies. "Batman" excluded.
Yes apparently 3 sequels to this movie are already approved by the studio. The previous movies are irrelevant.
XenonCJ
06-19-2005, 11:39 PM
I'm not signing up to read that, not that I expect it to be any good. The fact that you think it's a Burton rip off pretty much destroys your cred...
Check and mate. heh
Kefkataran
06-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Yes apparently 3 sequels to this movie are already approved by the studio. The previous movies are irrelevant.
I had only heard two. But apparantly the writer planned it as a trilogy and is signed on already, thank god. The writing, as I said, was damned top-notch, and his story ideas for the next two that he talked about in an interview? They sound great.
ddbrown30
06-20-2005, 12:02 AM
'Batman Begins' has actual actor voice, which is a big bonus, but the game is *painfully* linear with strange, almost disturbing, animations. Mo-cap, EA, mo-cap; by far quicker than hand-animating and they'd get to cut down some positions, too (apologies to any animators reading -- but IMHO mo-cap looks better). Movement is strange, slip-slidey, and the fighting is like running through quicksand. Overall, a rental at *best*, but honestly games like this is why EA games earn the rep for crap quality that they do.
My buddy works at EA doing mocap. I can almost guarantee most of the animations were mocap in the Batman game. Just because they're mocap doesn't mean they ave to look good. There's a lot more involved in mocap than just capturing it and then applying it to a skeleton.
Gitaroomaan
06-20-2005, 12:04 AM
I've read that the story in Batman Begins follows the comics a little closer, but I don't like the way they strayed from the storyline of the already made Batman flicks (who killed Bruce's parents, and POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ******** the way they set up for the Joker at the end of the film ******** END SPOILERS). It just doesn't fit very well into the movie series now, unless they plan on making Begins and it's future sequels a seperate series.
Instant loss of credibility, namely Begins is a complete reboot of the franchise and has absolutly nothing to do with any previous bat-film.
I had only heard two. But apparantly the writer planned it as a trilogy and is signed on already, thank god. The writing, as I said, was damned top-notch, and his story ideas for the next two that he talked about in an interview? They sound great.
Yeah, two sequals to make a trilogy. Supposedly the basic outline is as follows (SPOILERS!):
Batman enlists the aid of DA Harvey Dent to bring down the Joker in the next flick, and then in the third the Joker goes on trial, and somewhere in the process Dent gets scarred and turned into Two-Face.
Edit: And how the hell can anyone possibly believe that Begins is a Burton rip-off? Honestly? That is one of the most retarded statements I've ever encountered. I mean, I enjoy the Burton bat-films, even with their flawed take on the character, but Begins is nothing like them in any way shape or form.
bardockkun
06-20-2005, 12:11 AM
You are my new favorite person. My goodness that's the most intelligent thing anyone has said all month.
WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT THE HELL AM I HEARING?! Honestly Batman Begins was the best live action Batman movie ever (the best being Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, than again Bruce Timm and Paul Dini were the first ones to ever get it right) and Micheal Keaton to Christian Bale? No contest Christian Bale is the best. Here's the reason's why along with why the Tim Burton movies were overrated.
-Christian Bale helps us distinguish between who's Batman and who's Bruce Wayne (or helps show the many faces of Bruce Wayne). Micheal Keaton just made Batman into one of a whole character whowas always trying to be dark and brooding (let's not forget the "YOU WANT TO GET CRAZY" scene from Batman, Bruce Wayne/Batman wouldnt ever do that).
-The size difference is there, Micheal Keaton was a 5'8 or so compared to Christian Bale's 6 foot something sculpted physique making him better fit the role of Batman.
-The voice of Batman, once more Micheal Keaton couldnt distinguish between Batman and Bruce Wayne so they were all the same. The reason Christian Bale has the gruff voice is just to show the side of Batman as yes this a man that is pissed and if you dont answer his questions he will f**k you up. So despite all the criticism people make about it, the voice was needed.
-This isnt a stiff let me "stand and use my choreographed moves to fight the villians" type Batman. Christian Bale actually knows form of martial arts to whoop people thanks to the flexible Batsuit.
-Realism, sure it's a superhero movie but unlike Tim Burton's movies which was stupid over the top (Penguins with missle launchers? PENGUINS WITH MISSLE LAUNCHERS?! Someone please explain to me the point of Penguin's with missle launchers!). Since everything in this Batman movie is well explained and has a purpose (minus Katie Holmes, who couldve been replaced with a young Harvey Dent to set up Batman 3/7).
-Christopher Nolan and David Goyer get the character. Remember first watching the Bruce Timm and Paul Dini Batman cartoon and seeing Batman attack from the shadows and truly strike from no where? Yah, that was the Batman i wanted but instead Tim Burton gave me a "Hey look I'm Batman! Please don't exploit my stiff costume with lack of movement!" Batman actually ATTACKS FROM THE SHADOWS and you can believe he can SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU. Since the criminals only know myths of him and he strikes fast and you dont know where he'll come from (which the audience gets a feel of too).
-Plus: NINJAS! FRIGGIN NINJAS!
-Also the Batmobile is believable for tough combat conditions compared to a crap sports car.
-The origin was also handled better compared to Tim Burton's "Joe Chill was the Joker" who later changed once more in Batman Forever. It's left as Joe Chill and ONLY as Joe Chill, which is the way it should be.
Honestly i can keep going on as to how this is the best Batman movie but i figure thats enough. I love the character and honestly this brings him back from the nipple filled hell. Soooo, LET THE ARGUMENTS BEGIN!
Vulpes
06-20-2005, 01:06 AM
No arguments from me. Best Batman film ever, no exceptions. Bale was fantastic both as Batman and as Wayne.
Lekon
06-20-2005, 02:13 AM
Hiya, for the guy with the ORIGINAL QUESTION.
Talking about the GAME. Not about the various things with regard to the movie.
Game: Decent. Average. Semi good. Nothing special at all. One poster in another thread refered to "EA Shovelware" And this fits the bill. Good voices, but you basicly end up doing the same 4 hit combo 7,000 times interspliced with hitting the triangle to either finish or grab and finish the guys. Some stealth involved to "scare em" just to make them drop the insta kill machine guns so you can repeat the same 2 or 3 four hit combos.
Rental, Maybe. Buy: Hell no.
Red Cloak
06-20-2005, 02:17 AM
"The movie was crap, it shot for the stars and ended up being a half assed Burton ripoff. It is honestly extremly overated."
Sadly that is exactly what the film ended up being. With an intro like it had, I was half hoping the movie would take a more realistic, film noir approach to the Batman charachter. Instead we got a shoddy rip off of Batman 1(gasses the masses anyone?) with a train. Without the Joker. It wanted to take itself seriously, then it had to actually find a logical reason for a grown adult to put on a datman suit and jump around the city at night. The film didn't work, it was neither a good drama or a good comic book film. In fact it was a pretty subpar comic book film, the only reason people hype this movie is beacuse of it's serious opening.
Lutheran
06-20-2005, 02:41 AM
Please to say it didn't work when the overwhelming majority of reviews is positive is a pretty hard sell..seems to me your a Burton fanboy..the thing is , I also loved the original Batman and some people are for some dumbass reason lumping that movie in with the other shittty sequels that followed. Batman Begins is a superb movie , Bale is the best Batman yet and I thought Keaton did a nice job as well but Bale is the better actor and like someone else mentioned he has the Height/bulk to sell the part a bit better as well as compared to Keaton. The original BATMAN , 8/10 ..BATMAN BEGINS 9/10
Batman Begins is without a doubt one of the best movies I've seen in ages. I would put it on the same level as Burton's, and that is saying A LOT, considering Burton's take on Batman is an icon of film.. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the movie.
I'd go so far as to call it a modern masterpiece.
LilAbner
06-20-2005, 04:23 AM
The movie was crap, it shot for the stars and ended up being a half assed Burton ripoff. It is honestly extremly overated.
And of course, we don't get any reasons as to why he believes this. Heh. :confused:
As for the game, I rented it and although it is not great, it's a nice diversion. I think of it as a guilty pleasure. Definitely worth a rental.
Bishop
06-20-2005, 05:59 AM
I also didn't particularly like the movie. The following are a few reasons why:
- Christian Bale played a good Bruce Wayne without a doubt, but his rendition of Batman was less than promising. He just didn't have that "badass" character which Michael Keaton possessed, and Bale's Batman voice was so ridiculous I was laughing out loud in the theater.
- I cannot express in words how awful the Batmobile truly was, both in design (the body of the vehicle, the way it lowers your seat into a "horizontal firing position"), and in the way it was used (driving on roofs and flying between buildings).
- I've read that the story in Batman Begins follows the comics a little closer, but I don't like the way they strayed from the storyline of the already made Batman flicks (who killed Bruce's parents, and POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ******** the way they set up for the Joker at the end of the film ******** END SPOILERS). It just doesn't fit very well into the movie series now, unless they plan on making Begins and it's future sequels a seperate series.
There were a few other reasons, but these are the main ones. I will say this however: I did like the Scarecrow :D
They strayed from the storyline of the first movies.......What storyline? As much as I liked the previous movies they were like nothing compared to this movie. The first Batman strayed that far from the actual Batman story it needed a GPS just to try and get back on track. Jack Napier never killed Bruce's parents. As for the Batmobile, the new one is probably the best batmobile in regards to what Batman needs it for. The previous ones looked nice but I couldn't see them slamming through a wall of any kind and still be functional. Also this movie is not suppose to fit into the existing series, thus the title, "Batman Begins". Both showed the origin of Batman so this new movie is not a prequel, it is a start to a new set of Batman films.
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 06:20 AM
Sadly that is exactly what the film ended up being. With an intro like it had, I was half hoping the movie would take a more realistic, film noir approach to the Batman charachter. Instead we got a shoddy rip off of Batman 1(gasses the masses anyone?) with a train. Without the Joker. It wanted to take itself seriously, then it had to actually find a logical reason for a grown adult to put on a datman suit and jump around the city at night. The film didn't work, it was neither a good drama or a good comic book film. In fact it was a pretty subpar comic book film, the only reason people hype this movie is beacuse of it's serious opening.
Incorrect: I hype this movie because I loved it.
WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT THE HELL AM I HEARING?! Honestly Batman Begins was the best live action Batman movie ever (the best being Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, than again Bruce Timm and Paul Dini were the first ones to ever get it right) and Micheal Keaton to Christian Bale? No contest Christian Bale is the best. Here's the reason's why along with why the Tim Burton movies were overrated.
Agreed, were Phantasm live-action, it would have been the best. If we're lumping it in, sure, I think you're right. Sorry, but it is a contest, hence the disagreements.
-Christian Bale helps us distinguish between who's Batman and who's Bruce Wayne (or helps show the many faces of Bruce Wayne). Micheal Keaton just made Batman into one of a whole character whowas always trying to be dark and brooding (let's not forget the "YOU WANT TO GET CRAZY" scene from Batman, Bruce Wayne/Batman wouldnt ever do that).
You wanna get nuts? Lets get nuts. He helps us distinguish who's who (he being Bale) by adding a weird grovel "I think Batman sounds like a 2-pack smoker" voice to the Dark Knight. Seriously? I get that they add a bit more backstory to Wayne which is nice, but it didn't work for me. The backstory was just okay. I really like how he goes after the criminals and gives them something to fear. That works. I still think Bale's portrayal of Wayne (and then Batman) was weak at best.
-The size difference is there, Micheal Keaton was a 5'8 or so compared to Christian Bale's 6 foot something sculpted physique making him better fit the role of Batman.
Peter Jackson made Elijah Wood shorter than Liv Tyler in LOTR when, in reality, he's the taller of the two. I didn't even notice who the taller Batman was. Agreed, Bale has the bigger muscles. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here as I don't think Wayne/Batman is about the muscles.
-The voice of Batman, once more Micheal Keaton couldnt distinguish between Batman and Bruce Wayne so they were all the same. The reason Christian Bale has the gruff voice is just to show the side of Batman as yes this a man that is pissed and if you dont answer his questions he will f**k you up. So despite all the criticism people make about it, the voice was needed.
See the above statement about Bale. His Batman sucked. His Wayne was pretty dead on, I'll give you, but when 50 percent of your character - and a main one at that - is garbage, well, you get the idea. And I see Keaton as allowing the darker side of Batman to creep into his Bruce life so the two become indistinguishable at times which is part of the struggle that film-Wayne has. I wonder if the reasons so many villains were f**ked up by this Batman was because they couldn't understand what he was asking them to do?
"*Gruff gruff gruff*"
"I'm sorry?"
*Batarang's head*
-This isnt a stiff let me "stand and use my choreographed moves to fight the villians" type Batman. Christian Bale actually knows form of martial arts to whoop people thanks to the flexible Batsuit.
I wouldn't know. I couldn't tell what was happening during any of the fight scenes.
-Realism, sure it's a superhero movie but unlike Tim Burton's movies which was stupid over the top (Penguins with missle launchers? PENGUINS WITH MISSLE LAUNCHERS?! Someone please explain to me the point of Penguin's with missle launchers!). Since everything in this Batman movie is well explained and has a purpose (minus Katie Holmes, who couldve been replaced with a young Harvey Dent to set up Batman 3/7).
I wasn't arguing for realism, I was saying that the idea of all these people flaunting the film as the most realistic superhero movie still doesn't make sense. It's not. More realism and believability can be found within the X-Men flicks than this one. A lot of this film's choices didn't make a lick of sense in that department (which I've already addressed in earlier posts, so I won't get into here). I think the missle launcers kept the comic side of it as it is, shockingly, a comic-book film. And, I really don't think everything is well explained. He won't kill the one man in the beginning of the film but blows up the entire base thus killing most everyone - and probably that dude - in the process? Okay.
-Christopher Nolan and David Goyer get the character. Remember first watching the Bruce Timm and Paul Dini Batman cartoon and seeing Batman attack from the shadows and truly strike from no where? Yah, that was the Batman i wanted but instead Tim Burton gave me a "Hey look I'm Batman! Please don't exploit my stiff costume with lack of movement!" Batman actually ATTACKS FROM THE SHADOWS and you can believe he can SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU. Since the criminals only know myths of him and he strikes fast and you dont know where he'll come from (which the audience gets a feel of too).
I've always said the first fight scene in the warehouse I enjoyed because it was purposeful, it was a Batman that hit you out of no-where. I was reminded of Alien which is in no way shape or form a bad thing. However, when the other fight scenes don't take place in that full shadowy enviornment and it becomes a matter of poor directing, that argument no longer holds up. It wasn't the shadows making those fight elements had to see. It was the camera pressed two feet from Batman and his villain.
-Plus: NINJAS! FRIGGIN NINJAS!
I have nothing negative to say about Ninjas. Ninjas should be in every film. And pirates.
Also the Batmobile is believable for tough combat conditions compared to a crap sports car.
Never said a negative thing towards the car. I loved it. Worked great. For geek reasons, I would have liked the other, but that's just personal.
-The origin was also handled better compared to Tim Burton's "Joe Chill was the Joker" who later changed once more in Batman Forever. It's left as Joe Chill and ONLY as Joe Chill, which is the way it should be.
Again, I agree. My only complaint was that it makes it hard for me personally to watch the originals. There's a continuity break and I hate that whether it's Bat-canon or not. I realize Joe Chill is who it should have been all along. I agree. That's Burton's error so one point for Batman Begins.
I just felt there was way too much wrong with this movie compared to the other in terms of how the character was handled, the directing, and the way they tried to do too much with too many people and most of those characters felt very rushed or pushed to the side. Left a very bad taste in my mouth.
emjoi
06-20-2005, 06:28 AM
The first half of the movie is pretty damn good.
It does the "transformation" into Batman much more convincingly than Anakin into Darth.
It also does this sneaky backflip from being a typical Revenge movie into making Batman subtler than that. He eventually rejects the black and white idea that all criminals are scum to be shown no mercy. Quite "Liberal" actually.
But then the second half decends into explosions and chases and fights. And it isn't done all that well. Not much tension or risk. Batman can do anything, he can't be hurt.... it's all run of the mill. The Spiderman movies managed that part much better.
(BTW a gadget that can microwave water in pipes would do that same to a human body, yes?)
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 06:31 AM
I just felt there was way too much wrong with this movie compared to the other in terms of how the character was handled, the directing, and the way they tried to do too much with too many people and most of those characters felt very rushed or pushed to the side. Left a very bad taste in my mouth.
See, that's strange, because I felt the exact opposite. Almost every character (except Katie Holmes's somewhat throwaway) felt like they were insanely well-written and fleshed-out. Moreover, I got the feeling that they would be continuing to develop into the next films (especially Gordon and Fox, who both rocked hard). I'm thankful it's the same writer. Maybe you'll feel better about when all three movies are assembled as a whole if they continue to work so well?
See, that's strange, because I felt the exact opposite. Almost every character (except Katie Holmes's somewhat throwaway) felt like they were insanely well-written and fleshed-out. Moreover, I got the feeling that they would be continuing to develop into the next films (especially Gordon and Fox, who both rocked hard). I'm thankful it's the same writer. Maybe you'll feel better about when all three movies are assembled as a whole if they continue to work so well?
And I'm actually hoping I like them all better when the trilogy is complete. I don't want to dislike Batman at all. He's my favorite superhero. I left the theater really disliking him and that sucks to me. So yeah, here's hoping :)
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 07:11 AM
If the movie made you dislike Batman, hope you aren't reading the most recent DC stuff. He's totally unlikeable in it. Heh.
But yes, here's hoping indeed.
Talanvor
06-20-2005, 07:21 AM
(BTW a gadget that can microwave water in pipes would do that same to a human body, yes?)
That was the one of the things about the movie that had me going wtf about it. The other being Katie Holmes character. I guess they thought they needed a good looking woman... somewhere.
Still, I really enjoyed the movie and the sequels can't come fast enough.
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 07:30 AM
My biggest hope (while still being something of a fear because of how easily it could be fumbled): that Katie Holmes's character is in the next two and expanded upon.
splatstick
06-20-2005, 07:30 AM
My opinion: Batman Begins is the best superhero movie done to this point.
But... but... SPIDERMAN!!! Fucking Spiderman! Those movies made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
Plus, Katie H. was a fucking twat.
Gitaroomaan
06-20-2005, 08:00 AM
My only complaint was that it makes it hard for me personally to watch the originals. There's a continuity break and I hate that whether it's Bat-canon or not.
The thing is, Begins has nothing to do with the other movies. It isn't a prequal or a sequal, it is not connected in any way. In that case, there is no continuity break because it is not part of the previous continuity.
Bishop
06-20-2005, 08:32 AM
Guys,
Does it really matter what the microwave generator can do to a human body or why the batmobile can jump from roof top to roof top......No it doesn't. Movies are a means of escaping reality not staying in it. If people go around and start picking apart movies based on what is believable or not, why bother to make fantasy or sci-fi movies at all? Lets just look at the history channel or documentaries and be done with it. People that say that this was done wrong or that was not correct probably got trouble using a camcorder and because of that got to try and cut others down.
Derwin
06-20-2005, 08:46 AM
Uwe Boll is going to snatch up the rights to the Batman Begins video game and make a movie based on it.
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 09:00 AM
Uwe Boll is going to snatch up the rights to the Batman Begins video game and make a movie based on it.
We can only hope! Also, I hope he puts footage from the game straight into the movie.
Talanvor
06-20-2005, 10:29 AM
We can only hope! Also, I hope he puts footage from the game straight into the movie.
Don't give him any ideas!
atariv8
06-20-2005, 11:56 AM
The people who prefered Tim Burton's Batman movies never read a Frank Miller Batman comic in their life...
I suggest you go back and read The Dark Knight Returns and Batman:Year One. These were the comics I read before seeing the first Batman and I was super disappointed in the movies. I understand that coming off the Batman TV show the original movies may seem dark; but coming off the those comics, Tim Burton's movies were Playskool.
Kefkataran
06-20-2005, 12:13 PM
Atari: Of course, most of miller's work on Batman is out of continuity, but still. He does do a great job with the character, and supposedly his stuff was the greatest influnece on the movie.
bardockkun
06-20-2005, 01:29 PM
Atari: Of course, most of miller's work on Batman is out of continuity, but still. He does do a great job with the character, and supposedly his stuff was the greatest influnece on the movie.
In ways i was hoping Batman Begins would have Batman's head being smashed in by a TV like in Batman: Year One. Hopefully the next Batman movie will get influence by The Killing Joke for Joker. Out of curiousity in the Arkham Asylum scene did anyone notice Mr.Zsasz playing a cameo to the fans? I read online that they put him in a cameo, but yah i sure as hell didnt notice.
XenonCJ
06-20-2005, 01:47 PM
The first half of the movie is pretty damn good.
It does the "transformation" into Batman much more convincingly than Anakin into Darth.
It also does this sneaky backflip from being a typical Revenge movie into making Batman subtler than that. He eventually rejects the black and white idea that all criminals are scum to be shown no mercy. Quite "Liberal" actually.
But then the second half decends into explosions and chases and fights. And it isn't done all that well. Not much tension or risk. Batman can do anything, he can't be hurt.... it's all run of the mill. The Spiderman movies managed that part much better.
(BTW a gadget that can microwave water in pipes would do that same to a human body, yes?)He can't be hurt? I can think of several instances where they show him getting hurt bad... 1. where he jumps and falls, barely catching himself until he falls like 4 stories (thus deciding he needs wings). 2. where he gets hit by the nerve toxin and he's down and out for 2 days. 3. they show him all bruised up, and his butler decides he needs a cover story (like Polo) for all of his injuries...
And you see, the microwave device is specifically designed to resonate sewer pipes and water mains with it's Wayne Enterprises Tri-axalating Dark Energy Transponder, thus ignoring all other surrounding water sources.........
Gitaroomaan
06-20-2005, 02:42 PM
In ways i was hoping Batman Begins would have Batman's head being smashed in by a TV like in Batman: Year One. Hopefully the next Batman movie will get influence by The Killing Joke for Joker. Out of curiousity in the Arkham Asylum scene did anyone notice Mr.Zsasz playing a cameo to the fans? I read online that they put him in a cameo, but yah i sure as hell didnt notice.
You didn't notice Zsasz in the movie? Are you blind? They even mentioned him by name in the court room scene, with a couple up close shots of him where you could see his talley-scars.
The thing is, Begins has nothing to do with the other movies. It isn't a prequal or a sequal, it is not connected in any way. In that case, there is no continuity break because it is not part of the previous continuity.
I realize that, but that still doesn't help me any. For whatever reason, I can't mentally do that though. The originals are such a part of my film history that it makes no sense to discount them or to try and put them up against one another seperately. So while you're right, it still sucks.
The people who prefered Tim Burton's Batman movies never read a Frank Miller Batman comic in their life...
I suggest you go back and read The Dark Knight Returns and Batman:Year One. These were the comics I read before seeing the first Batman and I was super disappointed in the movies. I understand that coming off the Batman TV show the original movies may seem dark; but coming off the those comics, Tim Burton's movies were Playskool.
Yeah, I suppose that's why the Dark Knight Returns series is my favorite ever. And Batman Year One. Good call.
bardockkun
06-20-2005, 04:47 PM
You didn't notice Zsasz in the movie? Are you blind? They even mentioned him by name in the court room scene, with a couple up close shots of him where you could see his talley-scars.
Than again ive never heard anyone say "Zsasz" in person, so probably didnt recognize it when the judge said it. I guess another reason to see the movie now.
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