Day of Defeat Source News

[Evil Avatar]

Valve's official Steam News Page (http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Marketing/June17.2005/) has a few details on the upcoming Source engine remake of the popular Day of Defeat WWII Half-Life Mod.

The initial plan following the launch of Half-Life 2 was to get a near direct port of the existing Day of Defeat up and running and release it to the community. After this release, the plan was to take the approach of iterating on the art and gameplay of Day of Defeat through the end of the year. We finished this porting work a few months ago, released this version to a small group of beta testers, and then took stock of where we were. We didn't feel like the game was good enough from a visual perspective to release.

We decided to rework all of the content of Day of Defeat: Source before the full public release, hoping that people would be happier waiting for the product to ship while we gave DoD the attention it deserved. We hope our assumptions turn out to be accurate.The update also included a single screenshot (http://www.steampowered.com/Steam/Marketing/June17.2005/img/dod01.jpg) from dod_flash, one of the remade DoD maps.

[Draft]

HahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We are to believe Valve "reworked" all the content in a scant few months? Valve?

[Heretic Machine]

We are to believe Valve "reworked" all the content in a scant few months? Valve?

At some point in the future, they invest in a time machine. Now they hop back and forth through time to create the illussion of creating games quickly. Electronic Arts is currently looking to patent the device and sue Valve for all they're worth, buying them out shortly there-after.

[Varsity]

We are to believe Valve "reworked" all the content in a scant few months? Valve?
No, that's what these funny things we call screenshots are for.

[Evil Avatar]

HahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA!

We are to believe Valve "reworked" all the content in a scant few months? Valve?

You might want to think that one through. Scant few months??? You have no idea how long DoD Source has been in development. I would assume some six to eight months. The largest portion of any game is developed in the last six to eight months.

[Draft]

You might want to think that one through. Scant few months??? You have no idea how long DoD Source has been in development. I would assume some six to eight months. The largest portion of any game is developed in the last six to eight months.You're right, you're right. But this is Valve. They do good work, but it takes them a while. I don't think they could rework a menu system in 8 months, let alone content.

[ÜberJumper]

This game is not Battlefield2, therefore I do not care.

[Aneurhythmia]

You're right, you're right. But this is Valve. They do good work, but it takes them a while. I don't think they could rework a menu system in 8 months, let alone content.
Which explains the frequent updates to their existing software?

This game is not Battlefield2, therefore I do not care.
Troll much?

[Draft]

Which explains the frequent updates to their existing software?


Troll much?You mean the deathmatch maps that were created by the community and then released by Valve???

Not being "faux" ignorant here, honestly can't think of any significant content updates they've released since HL2 came out.

[Varsity]

Not being "faux" ignorant here, honestly can't think of any significant content updates they've released since HL2 came out.
Then you must be plain old normal ignorant. ;)

http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news

The fortnightly two maps+features+bugfixes updates for CSS started around Feburary.

Edit: oh, and HL2DM itself.

[EvilBob46]

Not being "faux" ignorant here, honestly can't think of any significant content updates they've released since HL2 came out.

Wha?

What about Half-Life 2 Deathmatch? Five CS: Source maps (de_tides, de_prodigy, de_inferno, de_port, de_compound)? VAC 2.0 is currently in the last stages of testing also.

[Goronmon]

Pre-BF2 Demo, I would be pumped about this coming around, but...

After playing BF2 I doubt any amount of reworking they do will make me care at all, but who knows.

[Draft]

Ok, just so we're clear, content equals:

plain jane DM that should have been in the original release.
ports of old CS levels they weren't able to get ready in time for the initial release.

[Tyrant]

Ok, just so we're clear, content equals:

plain jane DM that should have been in the original release.
ports of old CS levels they weren't able to get ready in time for the initial release.

Save for the 2 CS maps that were never in HL1 CS. Then there's the whole "the game engine is different from HL1 and you can't just do a direct port and expect it to play similarly" dealie. Toss in the bots and THE FACT THAT IF YOU PEOPLE COULD READ, YOU'D NOTICE THAT THEY MENTIONED:

We didn't feel like the game was good enough from a visual perspective to release.

WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE REWORKING OF CONTENT IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH REFERRED TO BETTER TEXTURES AND MODELS.

HOPEFULLY THE SOMEWHAT RUDE USAGE OF CAPS LOCK WILL MAKE THIS CLEAR.

[Draft]

WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE REWORKING OF CONTENT IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH REFERRED TO BETTER TEXTURES AND MODELS.

HOPEFULLY THE SOMEWHAT RUDE USAGE OF CAPS LOCK WILL MAKE THIS CLEAR.Well, it certainly makes clear that you may want to log off once in a while, and maybe take up a relaxing hobby like needlepoint.

[Varsity]

plain jane DM that should have been in the original release.
ports of old CS levels they weren't able to get ready in time for the initial release.
Sorry, I don't do bigotry.

[bKangy]

Yeah, Valve have actually done loads since HL2 was released for free on top of TF2, HL2 Xbox, Aftermath and whatever else is coming they keep hinting at. They've produced gorgeous remakes of some of the most popular original CS maps, made fantastic new maps and are about to release The Lost Coast, which looks wonderful, and adds HD lighting to the mod kit (plus many other enchancements). It's not as if they've just released bug fixes every 2 months.

[Draft]

Sorry, I don't do bigotry.
Is this some new version of Godwin'ing a thread that I haven't heard about?

[Aneurhythmia]

Ok, just so we're clear, content equals:

plain jane DM that should have been in the original release.
ports of old CS levels they weren't able to get ready in time for the initial release.
Just so we're clear here:
You're not entitled to any included multiplayer with a game except as advertised. Industry trends mean fuck all.
Your original post accused them of not being able to complete a menu system. While this is clearly hyperbolic on your part, aside from free content additions, they've done a fair bit of code overhaul.

[Draft]

Just so we're clear here:
You're not entitled to any included multiplayer with a game except as advertised. Industry trends mean fuck all.Well I certainly disagree with that.
Your original post accused them of not being able to complete a menu system. While this is clearly hyperbolic on your part, aside from free content additions, they've done a fair bit of code overhaul.So they've patched the game and tossed a few maps our way. Good. But forgive me if I don't get excited because they're piecemealing content that should have been on the CD.

My original post was a tongue in cheek observation that Valve takes its sweet ass time producing stuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Aneurhythmia]

Well I certainly disagree with that.
Why?
So they've patched the game and tossed a few maps our way. Good. But forgive me if I don't get excited because they're piecemealing content that should have been on the CD.
It should have been on the CD? By what authority has this been ordained?
Are you actually impugning the fallibility of only Valve or software developers in general? Do you really expect software to be perfect at release?
My original post was a tongue in cheek observation that Valve takes its sweet ass time producing stuff. Nothing more, nothing less.
It was something more. It was a pointed statement regarding inability not willful indolence.

[Draft]

Why?Because software development does not exist in a vacuum. If a FPS game came out lacking mouselook, you wouldn't play it.
I'm not saying games need multiplayer. But HL2 chose to port a 5 year old game as its mulltiplayer, and I don't think it's an invalid criticism to point out the lack of maps.

It should have been on the CD? By what authority has this been ordained?
Are you actually impugning the fallibility of only Valve or software developers in general? Do you really expect software to be perfect at release?The point is them slapping together some slight variations of SP levels and putting in some DM code does not exactly scream "Holy moly Valve is pumping out content like a korean animation house!" Again, that's ALL I implied: that Valve is slow to produce.

It was something more. It was a pointed statement regarding inability not willful indolence.Yes, I guess that's true. I said Valve is incapable of producing a lot of content in a short time. You really... got me there?

[Deadend]

Didn't Valve say that DoD and DM were supposed to be coming with the launch of HL2?

Also, I hope that Bronze people do not get DoD:S otherwise I will feel anger for buying the silver version.

[Aneurhythmia]

Because software development does not exist in a vacuum. If a FPS game came out lacking mouselook, you wouldn't play it.
Well, i would play it if it had other redeeming qualities. However, the point of a first person perspective is immersion. Mouselook is more important to that end than multiplayer. i bought HL2. i played the single player component. i haven't played HL2DM. i have no interest in that.
I'm not saying games need multiplayer. But HL2 chose to port a 5 year old game as its mulltiplayer, and I don't think it's an invalid criticism to point out the lack of maps.
So you're saying it's not a necessary component, but as a free add on to the game, it's detracting from the abilities of the developer?

The point is them slapping together some slight variations of SP levels and putting in some DM code does not exactly scream "Holy moly Valve is pumping out content like a korean animation house!" Again, that's ALL I implied: that Valve is slow to produce.
So it's either hella fast or slow? The fact that they're working to update, expand, and fix the game at any rate is of no value at all? They seem to be producing extra content infinitely faster than most developers.

Yes, I guess that's true. I said Valve is incapable of producing a lot of content in a short time. You really... got me there?
No, you said Valve can't rework a menu in 8 months. That's a little content over a long time.

[Draft]

So it's either hella fast or slow? The fact that they're working to update, expand, and fix the game at any rate is of no value at all?No, it clearly adds value. It does not prove they're quick at creating stuff, which AGAIN, was my original point, and the only point I'm going to defend.No, you said Valve can't rework a menu in 8 months. That's a little content over a long time.You yourself recognized that as hyperbole! (which btw, it much too smart a word to be used around here.)

[Aneurhythmia]

No, it clearly adds value. It does not prove they're quick at creating stuff, which AGAIN, was my original point, and the only point I'm going to defend.
No, your original point was that they're slow. Both slow and quick are relative to a standard. i would argue that for quality of content, they're not nominally slower than most developers.

You yourself recognized that as hyperbole! (which btw, it much to smart a word to be used around here.)
But as a hyperbolic statement, its function is to emphasize a point strongly. What you mean is not necessarily apparent to everyone by what you say, so the hyperbole is the clearest indicator.

[Oblivion]

WTF is wrong with you people, I will never understand.

[EvilBob46]

I'm really growing awfully tired of people whining about Valve "not providing enough content in a timely manner." The fact is: they have provided a decent amount of content, including new maps and improved versions of old ones for CSS and even a 2nd multiplayer game, both of which I should mention were requested by the majority of gamers and one of which is the 2nd most played FPS online, just behind the original CS. That's next to some significant internal improvements (VAC 2) and the major upcoming Lost Coast expansion pack, as well as an average of 4-5 updates with new features and bug fixes per month.

Draft: The new content is slow? So? I guess I'm not seeing your point. Lots of companies are slow in creating games and content, hardly any of them spend resources creating free stuff. Valve is spending time next to creating their other upcoming commercial products to create new content, why does it matter if it takes a long time? At least they're creating it. Can't fault them there.

I guess you came across as being sort of whiny, as if it's not good enough that Valve does this kind of stuff because it takes them a long time or because they've not quite produced "just enough" content. Game developement generally takes a long time.

What were people expecting anyway? Team Fortress 2 for free? I don't want to know how much time and money Valve has already spent on extra content, particullarly on implementing and beta testing VAC 2 and creating the Lost Coast levels. Honestly, I think you have gotten more than your money's worth from buying HL2.

The bottom line is that Valve's improvements are commendable, especially in light of the fact that there are fewer and fewer companies out there willing to make long term committments to their games and choosing to release a bunch of new maps for $20 instead (you know who you are).

[Adam Blue]

I'm gonna have to go with Draft here. What I got with HL2 was a single player game without what I was told to be included, mutliplayer additions. These came later, and were nothing special at all. Maybe they are slow, and hey, that happens. But because of this pace I've grown tired and probably won't reinstall HL2 again with other games over the horizon. My interest has been destroyed.

[Karmakaze]

First-off, I think that DoD screen shot looks pretty bland, compared to the levels in CS and HL2.

I also think Valve misled people into buying the Silver pack (like myself). If I had known it would've been this long before DoD:S was released I might not have bought it.

And Lost Coast will *really* piss me off if it's not included in the Silver pack, since they released HDR videos of HL2 (remember the really shiny ant lion on the roof? remember how much worse the antlions and that same roof looked in game?) months before HL2 shipped.

I don't hate Valve by any means, but I trust their statements even less than EA (which as a public company at least has stock holders keeping their promises somehwat in line.. Valve seems happy saying anything they want). I've learned my lesson, and won't believe a word about TF2, for example, until I have a copy in my hand (NOT locked on my HDD...)

[Vulture]

The scary part is that DOD:s needs to be released as a freebie just to keep HL2 sales prices up (I said price not units).

[Kefkataran]

Valve is somewhat slow, sure, but when the stuff comes it's generally high quality. I dunno what all the whining and arguing is about here. Both sides are right.

And Lost Coast will *really* piss me off if it's not included in the Silver pack, since they released HDR videos of HL2 (remember the really shiny ant lion on the roof? remember how much worse the antlions and that same roof looked in game?) months before HL2 shipped.

I'm fairly certain, from what I've heard, that the plan for Lost Coast is to make it a free download for everyone. It's only a short level. I think your comp has to meet the (high) standards for it though.

[kid cabelgo]

jesus, what is that, like 10 posts by DRAFT in this thread?

I don't necessarily blame him though. You people can be like a pack of rabid wolves sometimes.

[Dauvin]

I <3 Draft.

I mean really, with BF2 comingly along shortly, and then Call of Duty 2 in the not so distant future (and I wouldn't be suprised in the least if it got released before DoD:S), I'm not even excited about this game anymore.

Sure, like a half year ago or so when I bought silver, I was thinking, COOL, DoD:S, but now I, like a few others, wished I had bought bronze and saved 10 dollars, or maybe invested it in something, like say Google, and then purchased enough stock in VALVe to have more a of a say as to what goes on (or maybe just spent it on beer and hookers, either way).

As I heard someone 'say' in another forum (and I appologize for not knowing the sayee or the place of saying), these recent DoD:S "announcements" (which for the most part tell us what we already knew) are like a little kid saying, "Hey, lookit me! Helloo, over here! Don't forget me!"

[Chagrinful]

Will this joke be free? I doubt it, because the tools that paid for a gold edition of HL2 will have paid for nothing really extra.

[Citizen Philip]

Oh shutup all of you. I just want to play DoD: Source, I want my kar98. As long as it is fun, I am happy.

[Blue]

jesus, what is that, like 10 posts by DRAFT in this thread?

I don't necessarily blame him though. You people can be like a pack of rabid wolves sometimes.

Yeah, that other dude didn't keep responding either. Not sure about you, but when someone questions what I say, I usually try and answer it. Then, if there's another question, another answer, so on and so forth. Strange, I'll tell ya, but it's a crazy world.

And seriously, wouldn't DRAFT more fall into the rabid zombie catagory? Just sayin'.

[Phades]

First-off, I think that DoD screen shot looks pretty bland, compared to the levels in CS and HL2.

I also think Valve misled people into buying the Silver pack (like myself). If I had known it would've been this long before DoD:S was released I might not have bought it.

And Lost Coast will *really* piss me off if it's not included in the Silver pack, since they released HDR videos of HL2 (remember the really shiny ant lion on the roof? remember how much worse the antlions and that same roof looked in game?) months before HL2 shipped.

I don't hate Valve by any means, but I trust their statements even less than EA (which as a public company at least has stock holders keeping their promises somehwat in line.. Valve seems happy saying anything they want). I've learned my lesson, and won't believe a word about TF2, for example, until I have a copy in my hand (NOT locked on my HDD...)

I agree with you. When being able to get DOD:Source was advertised as a part of buying a particular pack, that indicated to me that it was going to be coming out shortly. The game has now been out for a long while now and still we don't even have a potential release date just a "well... we're still working on it and had to do more stuff." At this point, I'm just not interested anymore and feel I wasted my money. The servers will be pretty empty with Battlefield 2 coming out this week plus the fact that this isn't a free upgrade for those that didn't fork out the $$. If it is, they owe me a refund of my $10.