New Heavenly Sword Screenshots...It's About Time.

[Grifter]

Playsyde (http://www.playsyde.com/index_en.html) has posted some new screenshots of Heavely Sword, check them out here. (http://www.playsyde.com/news_4224_en.html)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/fitbabits/HeavenlySword.jpg

While the game by no means looks bad it does seem like it has received a graphical downgrade compared to the previous E3 showings. This seems to be the norm with current PS3 games and I don't like it.

[51|RandoM]

check out the thread on neogaf where they have video instead of just stills and you might change your tune.

;)

[kickmybum]

looks good to me.

[AntB]

Can someone resize the imagine on the main page, i'm running 1280 here and it still threw the page all out of wack.

[DesignerKid]

I played the crap out of it at E3 last year and I actually think this new direction looks better. A lot more colorful...

Besides, if I remember correctly you were in a small arena / pit with a ton of destructible (sp?) items with enemies lining the top. It was a pretty small environment and wasn't that impressive then, except for the fact that it played exactly like God of War, which is good enough for me.

[fitbabits]

Can someone resize the imagine on the main page, i'm running 1280 here and it still threw the page all out of wack.
Done, and just for you!

[Pigeon]

A game's E3 screens are better than what we see now? *gasp!*

[KidCactus]

check out the thread on neogaf where they have video instead of just stills and you might change your tune.

;)
Could you please link the video?

[Vanthar]

I don't really see how it received a graphical downgrade.. it looks pretty damned good to me.

[Philonious]

And old screens... These look pretty damned good. (Though I liked the stylistic character design of the past better.)

[Skytram]

Looks good, but I still don't care about this game.

[bapenguin]

I love the look of this game. It's kind of comic-booky, kind of realistic, kind of Prince of Persia-y. :)

[Arglor]

I love the look of this game. It's kind of comic-booky, kind of realistic, kind of Prince of Persia-y. :)

my thoughts exactly. The style is really appealing.

[Philonious]

The thing has the weight of the PS3 on its shoulders, hopefully it lives up to expectation. It does look good though.

[Joestar]

What downgrades? You mean, less bloom effect? :D

The graphics look awesome. It isn't the best by far, but saying it looks bad is like saying Gears of War sucks because of the old-school gameplay.

[AntB]

I just saw the Heroes episode where they were playing this game, looked pretty cool from the 5 seconds I saw, gonna check out the video of it later. The stills look awesome too through, so I dunno what some of you are complaining about? Less bloom the better.

[Gorvi]

I'll definately take more of that. Hopefully there's some interactivity with the envirnments, there's really no excuse not to have that in a PS3 or 360 game. Dammit, this fall can't come fast enough for the PS3. Oh well, maybe I'll actually be done with Oblivion by then. :p

[Tyrant]

It certainly looks better in motion compared to the screenshots. From what I've noticed, this statement generally rings true to pretty much any next gen game that makes use of motion blur.

[Vermillion]

What this game needs, is more female ass cheek. Oh wait, it's included in every screen. Most excellent.

Kinda sad that it has to throw that in there for no reason, other than to get the preteens touching them and give mom and dad something to bitch about why games are bad.

[Khash]

What downgrades? You mean, less bloom effect? :D
Seriously. I see no downgrade.

[Boris]

Meh.

How does this look any better than Tombraider Legend on Xbox360? I thought Sony was bringing us the real next-next generation. I guess Phil Harrison just fooled us all again.

[TrackZero]

my thoughts exactly. The style is really appealing.

Nothing like style over substance, eh?

[Jack B]

I think the shots look pretty good, but I do see your point. I saw a before and after pic of her up close on some web site and her hair and face were dramatically better on the before pictures.

Having said that it's not just PS3 games that show off awesome visuals at some point and then downgrade them later as they try to get the frame rate up and/or add in some of the calculations, that make the game fun. The 360 games do it too.

Sometimes it's the motion capture/compression used as well. It's just so hard to judge off videos and screen shots. I wouldn't worry too much. Only when the game ships while viewing on an actual TV will you know for sure.

Until then, I wouldn't get too high or too low.

[Khash]

Nothing like style over substance, eh?
And you would know because...?

[theCurse]

Nothing like style over substance, eh?
And you would know because...?
Children, just simmer down and make friends.

[Citizen Philip]

Tee-hee. I can't wait until this screenshot nonsense gets as bad as the NVidiots vs the fanATIcs.

Comon ladies. You can certainly not like the artistic style a *particular* game may or may not have, but generalizing merit by platform (or video device) was a PC exclusive.

:p

[Rirath]

looks good to me.

A very short time ago any one of these images would have been fit to be a CG render for cover art of an 8bit game. These are the types of premade images that would be in magazine ads. As a graphics artist hobbyist, I would have been proud to create any one image.

The fact that this is a real time video game is astounding.

[karak]

screenshots=bad
Those don't help it at all.

[Gorvi]

Tee-hee. I can't wait until this screenshot nonsense gets as bad as the NVidiots vs the fanATIcs.

Comon ladies. You can certainly not like the artistic style a *particular* game may or may not have, but generalizing merit by platform (or video device) was a PC exclusive.

:p
Nah, we've had fanboys saying "That game on the other guy's platform looks like crap!", no matter what the games look like, with consoles since the days of the SNES vs. Genesis. We just haven't had it for a while since the PS1 and PS2 were so dominant. ;)

[Rirath]

What this game needs, is more female ass cheek. Oh wait, it's included in every screen. Most excellent.

Kinda sad that it has to throw that in there for no reason,

Or you could quit being so hypersensitive and stop whining about it.
Did you also complain that Lara Croft's chest is too large?

Who says it has to do anything?

[Micasa]

Nah, we've had fanboys saying "That game on the other guy's platform looks like crap!", no matter what the games look like, with consoles since the days of the SNES vs. Genesis. We just haven't had it for a while since the PS1 and PS2 were so dominant. ;)

People aren't saying it looks like crap though, just that it's downgraded from E3's showing. It's hard to deny, though people argue Motorstorm's downgrade so I suppose anything's possible.

[Citizen Philip]

Nah, we've had fanboys saying "That game on the other guy's platform looks like crap!", no matter what the games look like, with consoles since the days of the SNES vs. Genesis. We just haven't had it for a while since the PS1 and PS2 were so dominant. ;)

Okay.. it was not an exclusive for PC, but is mutually exclusive with the current nextgen.

[Gorvi]

People aren't saying it looks like crap though, just that it's downgraded from E3's showing. It's hard to deny, though people argue Motorstorm's downgrade so I suppose anything's possible.
Well, the "looks like crap" comment wasn't really directed at these comments, just an overall generalization of how some people will look at games on a competiter's platform. It's part of that need to go into a thread about a game a person has no interest in just to post about how unimpressed they are by said game.

EDIT : Anyway, not trying to derail! If the game has the gameplay to back it up to make it worthwhile, I could care less what anyone says about the graphics not being mindblowing, it'll be enjoyable, and that's what matters. Plus, I think it looks pretty damn spiffy already, so I'm fine with it. :)

[Telefrog]

It looks slightly less awesome than the E3 shots, but it still looks pretty good.

[51|RandoM]

Could you please link the video?

watch the development video over on IGN.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/700/700186/vids_1.html

There is enough gameplay footage in there to show that these pics aren't doing it justice.

The gaf thread referenced video on some other site... and I cannot find the thread, or the video at this piont in time.

The game looks beautiful the real question in my mind is "is it just Goddess of War"? when it comes to actually playing it.

[Delenda]

From what I've seen, this is one of those games that really has to be seen in motion. The animation is pretty incredible (they've even got andy serkis doing mo-capping!). Does seem to make for some rather underwhelming screenshots though.

[Rirath]

The game looks beautiful the real question in my mind is "is it just Goddess of War"? when it comes to actually playing it.

I'd be ok with that.

[Vermillion]

Or you could quit being so hypersensitive and stop whining about it.
Did you also complain that Lara Croft's chest is too large?

Who says it has to do anything?

I'm saying it's a copout. There is no valid reason for it to be included and is just thrown in there to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It makes a great game look cheap to me. And I do believe there is a difference between a hyper-exageration like Lara Croft and one of a chick with the bottom of her ass hanging out.

Since when was I not allowed to have an opinion? The forums lately have certainly become fueled with enough hate and condemnation, that you need not add to it. EA as a community where you could have an intellegent discussion is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

[eth3rton]

Meh.

How does this look any better than Tombraider Legend on Xbox360? I thought Sony was bringing us the real next-next generation. I guess Phil Harrison just fooled us all again.

Your way to new around here to be Trolling....

[agentgray]

Forget the screenies. The artwork images are huge, like better than print quality huge.

[51|RandoM]

Meh.

How does this look any better than Tombraider Legend on Xbox360? I thought Sony was bringing us the real next-next generation. I guess Phil Harrison just fooled us all again.

Oh no, this is like bizarro Borys.

[CptTripps]

I think it looks good, not normally my style of game though.

[BabyJesus]

Looks nice, but the 360 could easily pull it off. Looks to me that the cell is just another emotion engine.

[Mr.Green]

Tomb Raider Legend looked great and it was fun as hell. This one looks even better. Tough crowd.

[51|RandoM]

Looks nice, but the 360 could easily pull it off. Looks to me that the cell is just another emotion engine.

...what is your point again, i missed it.

If you're sitting there, do you play games your system could pull off, or do you play games it actually does pull off?

This isn't an e-peen war between systems.

sigh.

[Vermillion]

Random, you know he's implying that the graphics don't seem to be the "generation" above that PS3 has claimed that their engine is capable of.

Heavenly Sword has in the past been deemed by the community as one of the must-have flagship releases for the system. Then it started slipping and now these screenies don't show anything revolutionary. It was implied that it would have that, "This is why you need a PS3" vibe. He says he doesn't think it achieves that. I'm willing to hold off on the statement until I see it in motion on an HD rez. Personally, I think it still looks good.

[Yeti2005]

I just finished listening to the latest CAGCast (CheapAssGamer) and they have an interesting section about expectations. Cheapy (one of the hosts) said his expectation for the PS3 was not to better than the PS2 but rather the 360.

I'm in the same boat. I expect a game designed specifically for a system that came out a year after to be significantly better than what the year old system can do. That said, the game looks really, really nice but I think the 360 could do the same thing. Damn expectations!!! :)

[Boris]

Oh no, this is like bizarro Borys.

Oh no, a forum nazi nerd with a god complex.

[Jack B]

Oh no, a forum nazi nerd with a god complex.

Hmmm, maybe you have been around EvAv a while... :D

[51|RandoM]

Oh no, a forum nazi nerd with a god complex.


rofl. Now we just need Borys to show up school you and the thread will be complete.

[Siraris]

Random, you know he's implying that the graphics don't seem to be the "generation" above that PS3 has claimed that their engine is capable of.

Heavenly Sword has in the past been deemed by the community as one of the must-have flagship releases for the system. Then it started slipping and now these screenies don't show anything revolutionary. It was implied that it would have that, "This is why you need a PS3" vibe. He says he doesn't think it achieves that. I'm willing to hold off on the statement until I see it in motion on an HD rez. Personally, I think it still looks good.

Have you watched any of the video of Heavenly Sword, like the one shown on Heroes? Or any of the other videos? Obviously, because there's a couple screens that went up just now that don't look fantastic, the game obviously has taken a huge nosedive, right?

I can find numerous shitty looking screenshots of numerous beautiful games out there, that represent nothing of how the game actually looks. This should be extremely common knowledge to EVERYONE on this site, as we are all hardcore gamers are follow these things.

Lairs latest videos look brilliant, while the screens don't look even close to as good. There are quite a few shots of Mass Effect that look poor, but the videos look great. But yet we have to hear "Ew, those shots look bad the 360 could easily do better HAR HAR HAR".

I'd like someone to find one 360 thread on this site where someone has said "That 360 game looks ok, but the PS3 can do much better".

[51|RandoM]

Random, you know he's implying that the graphics don't seem to be the "generation" above that PS3 has claimed that their engine is capable of.

I don't play hype, I play games.

Watch the video and still say it looks like an xbox game... and do so without looking like an idiot. You can't, at least not in front of somebody who has seen the game in action.

...and ultimately, if the game doesn't deliver, what have you lost? Nothing. If you have a ps3 sitting at home doing nothing that you bought only to play Heavenly Sword, and only did so because you listened to something Phil Harrison said over a year ago, then I think that is pretty much your problem. A problem, I might add that doesn't actually exist at this point. The video I've seen has the game delivering the goods across the board.

[Philonious]

I'm saying it's a copout. There is no valid reason for it to be included and is just thrown in there to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It makes a great game look cheap to me. And I do believe there is a difference between a hyper-exageration like Lara Croft and one of a chick with the bottom of her ass hanging out.

Well the character design is really cool, and I hadn't even noticed the sex appeal part... It certainly isn't to the degree of DOAX, which is a game with no other point than teh bewbz. Sexist depictions of women are the standard in videogames so I don't see how you can single this game out since, by comparison, it is relatively tasteful.

The flip side of course is that you should find the depiction of Kratos to be equally offensive, because the depiction of males in games is pretty skewed as well.

[Mr.Green]

...what is your point again, i missed it.

If you're sitting there, do you play games your system could pull off, or do you play games it actually does pull off?

This isn't an e-peen war between systems.

sigh.
Well I guess the "Xbox 1.5" and "The next generation begins when we say so" comments from Sony didn't help... But like you said, while it probably could run on the 360 without a problem, you'll definitely need a PS3 to run it. So there, buy one or stfu. :D

[CptTripps]

I'd like someone to find one 360 thread on this site where someone has said "That 360 game looks ok, but the PS3 can do much better".

I don't think this has anything to do with people from this site. The reason people say "meh, 360 could do that" is because of Sony and the outrageous claims they made of the PS3 being so much more powerfull. I agree it is sucks, but don't see it stopping anytime soon.

[Vermillion]

Not sure why everyone is dogging me, I am the one that said it still looked good and I wanted to see it in motion...????

It's like my post went through some anti Sony Defense Force wormhole and it shows up on your screen as "ZOMG, GAYNESS. My N64 looks better. Blarg blarg I'm a retard".

[BabyJesus]

...what is your point again, i missed it.

If you're sitting there, do you play games your system could pull off, or do you play games it actually does pull off?

This isn't an e-peen war between systems.

sigh.

Sure it is, in a way. If you take into account Sony's overblown confidence of how awesome the cell is and how much better than anything the PS3 was supposed to be, is turning out to be utter bullshit as the emotion engines power was/is. So far nothing we've seen looks like what Sony "promised".

Keep sighing.

And whoever asked, yes I have seen the videos and yes the 360 could do it.

[51|RandoM]

Sure it is, in a way. If you take into account Sony's overblown confidence of how awesome the cell is and how much better than anything the PS3 was supposed to be, is turning out to be utter bullshit as the emotion engines power was/is. So far nothing we've seen looks like what Sony "promised".

Keep sighing.

And whoever asked, yes I have seen the videos and yes the 360 could do it.

Take your ps3 back and get a refund since it isn't delivering on the marketing hype. That is the answer, right? You're clearly not happy with your purchase and you feel like you've not gotten your money's worth. TAKE IT BACK.

You bought sony hype and all you got was a console. Take the console back and get your money, the hype is free.

sigh.

If the 360 could do it, I wish it would get around to doing so at some point.

[ONI5]

I'm still buying the game but I wish that PS3 developers would not show eye candy that will not be in the finished version. I really wanted Motorstorm to look exactly like it did at E3 when they claimed it to be in game. Final Fantasy won't let me down though, hopefully.

[Siraris]

I don't think this has anything to do with people from this site. The reason people say "meh, 360 could do that" is because of Sony and the outrageous claims they made of the PS3 being so much more powerfull. I agree it is sucks, but don't see it stopping anytime soon.

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is. It isn't their fault that it takes time for developers to get accustomed to working with the hardware. It also isn't their fault that they are incorrectly porting games from 360 -> PS3, which is much more difficult than going PS3 -> 360 (which means PS3 third party games look worse).

Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, and Genji, are some of the best looking games I've seen for the next generation so far, and video of Lair, Heavenly Sword, and MGS4 are even more impressive than what I've seen on the 360 (except perhaps Gears).

You, and many others, make the mistake of just saying "HAHA PS3 DOESN'T LOOK BETTER THAN 360" without taking the dozens of other variables into account.

[Joestar]

You know, it would be sad if people hold off in buying a great game with the 'It looks good, but my system can probably run it better' excuse.

It looks good, and I don't bloody care if the XBOX 360 can run it better, or it looks as good as an XBOX 360 game. What do you want it to look like? Photorealistic, when even her fucking nipples shake realistically as she moves? Honestly, guys, you go on and on about how Sony lies and shit, but you do have to remember;

Sony isn't creating this game. Kutaragi isn't coding and giving the final word on how it will look like. Ninja Theory is creating this however, and they're the ones sweating it out to make it look this good. If you have any problem with the visuals, why don't you attack Ninja Theory instead?

[Yeti2005]

....Sony isn't creating this game. Kutaragi isn't coding and giving the final word on how it will look like. Ninja Theory is creating this however, and they're the ones sweating it out to make it look this good. If you have any problem with the visuals, why don't you attack Ninja Theory instead?

Actually Ninja Theory deservers major props because their last game was Kung Fu Chaos and that sucked ass (they might have even changed their name because of it :) This game looks like a major step up.

[Jack B]

I'm still buying the game but I wish that PS3 developers would not show eye candy that will not be in the finished version. I really wanted Motorstorm to look exactly like it did at E3 when they claimed it to be in game. Final Fantasy won't let me down though, hopefully.

The 360 devs do it too... I am still a little disappointed with the latest Forza 2 videos (gameplay I'm not doubting in the least). The most current video is a long long ways from the Forza commercials we saw at E3 2006. :( And Too Human is another example of a 360 game going backwards graphically. It could turn it around, but we'll just have to wait and see. These issues aren't just a PS3 phenomenon.

Sony probably catches more heat, because of their claims of vast superiority and their Xbox 1.5 comments. They've set themselves up for tons of people trying to knock them off their graphics superiority perch. Comments like Sony made stick with people for a long time. "I told you so", just doesn't get old.

Most people on EvAv now agree, both systems are pretty damn close, but you still see Sony take a lot of shots on forums, because it's not blowing away the 360 like we were told it would. It'll stop some day.

[Krispy]

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is.

That just isn't true. Each system just has relatively the same amount of power applied in different ways. Wether having 3 big chunks of processing power or 6 smaller ones is a better design philosophy will take time to tell but one is by no means "much more power[ful]" than the other.

Both system's games are going to look nearly the same for the next couple years. Sony can spout all the supriority complex they like but when it comes down to it the major players will be using the same three game engines and they will all look how you would expect them to.

[CptTripps]

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is. It isn't their fault that it takes time for developers to get accustomed to working with the hardware. It also isn't their fault that they are incorrectly porting games from 360 -> PS3, which is much more difficult than going PS3 -> 360 (which means PS3 third party games look worse).

Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, and Genji, are some of the best looking games I've seen for the next generation so far, and video of Lair, Heavenly Sword, and MGS4 are even more impressive than what I've seen on the 360 (except perhaps Gears).

You, and many others, make the mistake of just saying "HAHA PS3 DOESN'T LOOK BETTER THAN 360" without taking the dozens of other variables into account.

The claims are indeed outrageous until proven otherwise, and they have not been. You say "it is more powerfull", prove it to me with a game on the shelf that is truly "the next gen".

I could care less about ported games as I understand the difficulty they have in doing so, why you even brought that up with me being quoted baffles me. Unless this thread is about a ported game.. *checks* nope.

Of all the "best looking games" you listed, which ones have you played hands on? Also which ones are available in the store? Videos are videos and that is all. I think they have some amazing looking games, just nothing more amazing than others.

Also, I don't believe I ever said "HAHA" in a spitefull childish manner. I have nothing against Sony and would love to own a PS3. I only offered a reason as to why people make comments similar to your example. I personally do no such thing, so feel free to kiss my ass for that comment and please don't group me into the "you, and many others" category. I even stated "it sucks, but I don't see it stopping anytime soon" so if you want to attack some Anti-Sony fanboy go ahead, but don't stereotype me from a two line post.

Last but not least, I understand the factors just fine as I have watched games improve later in a consoles life. When it comes down to it, you are running an ATI card, and an NVIDIA card, both of which run DX9 natively. Do you really think the CELL is going to make the crazy difference Sony claims it will, I do not. I think programmers for both systems will come up with creative ways to utilize the hardware even further and that games on both systems will look better in the years to come.

[CptTripps]

Sony probably catches more heat, because of their claims of vast superiority and their Xbox 1.5 comments. They've set themselves up for tons of people trying to knock them off their graphics superiority perch. Comments like Sony made stick with people for a long time. "I told you so", just doesn't get old.

That's all I was trying to say in my post awhile back. Wasn't taking sides, just giving the reason.

[Siraris]

That just isn't true. Each system just has relatively the same amount of power applied in different ways. Wether having 3 big chunks of processing power or 6 smaller ones is a better design philosophy will take time to tell but one is by no means "much more power[ful]" than the other.

Both system's games are going to look nearly the same for the next couple years. Sony can spout all the supriority complex they like but when it comes down to it the major players will be using the same three game engines and they will all look how you would expect them to.

And you can say all this based on your experience programming for both systems, correct? Or your inside knowledge about what engines all the development houses will be using, right?

[CptTripps]

when it comes down to it the major players will be using the same three game engines and they will all look how you would expect them to.

Another good point. I am looking forward to seeing more of the Allen Wake engine in action.

[Siraris]

The claims are indeed outrageous until proven otherwise, and they have not been. You say "it is more powerfull", prove it to me with a game on the shelf that is truly "the next gen".

Motorstorm is truly the next gen, Virtua Fighter 5 is truly the next gen, and so is F1. Aside from that, I don't have anything to really point you at because developers haven't properly utilized the hardware in Cell yet, except for maybe Evolution studios. As I already said, developers need to learn how to work with the hardware before they can properly get the power out of there. There has been numerous admonitions that Cell is powerful, supplemented by the fact that multiple private sector companies and universities are using Cell for super computer related tasks. I don't see them using the 360 processor for those same tasks.

Again, you are using some high level comparisons here when you can't do that. Gears of War looked so good because 1. Epic has fantastic artists, and 2. They have a fantastic streaming texture solution for UE3. No game to this point on PS3 has been using streaming textures to my knowledge, and the first one I have seen or claimed to be is Ratchet and Clank, which looks absolutely stunning. If you want to keep arguing about how the PS3 doesn't look better right now - 6 months after it's come out - it's a complete waste of my time. I am very confident that in another 6 months, and further on, you will see the PS3 start to pull away from the 360 in terms of what it puts out on the screen.

[Tyrant]

And you can say all this based on your experience programming for both systems, correct? Or your inside knowledge about what engines all the development houses will be using, right?

The same questions could be posed to you as well.

[Johan]

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is.

This whole argument is "meh" to me either way.

I seem to remember a big, black turd of a box from last generation that was the most powerful console around. That didn't earn it first place in system sales or software sales, however. In fact, it lost its company four billion dollars!

It will be perhaps a year before we have a decent picture of which horse will "win" this race in terms of system sales for the big three home consoles. Processing and graphical power are not the only variables. You said it yourself:

"...the dozens of other variables into account."

I am very confident that in another 6 months, and further on, you will see the PS3 start to pull away from the 360 in terms of what it puts out on the screen.

Nice! You've got a crystal ball!

Again, "meh." Multiplatform titles last gen. were consistently better on the Xbox, in terms of graphics and even online options and content.

Didn't make much of a difference. MS still lost four billion and came in behind Sony.

"...the dozens of other variables into account."

The following are just a few variables that all consumers consider and value differently, in no particular order:

1. cost.
2. online features.
3. available library of inexpensive/reduced-price games.
4. backwards compatibility.
5. brand loyalty.
6. upcoming titles.
7. controller comfort/features.
8. exclusive first-party IP.
9. graphics (of course).

There are many, many more. You are indeed a fanboy. Shamelessly so. Wave that flag high!

[Boris]

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is. It isn't their fault that it takes time for developers to get accustomed to working with the hardware. It also isn't their fault that they are incorrectly porting games from 360 -> PS3, which is much more difficult than going PS3 -> 360 (which means PS3 third party games look worse).

Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, and Genji, are some of the best looking games I've seen for the next generation so far, and video of Lair, Heavenly Sword, and MGS4 are even more impressive than what I've seen on the 360 (except perhaps Gears).

You, and many others, make the mistake of just saying "HAHA PS3 DOESN'T LOOK BETTER THAN 360" without taking the dozens of other variables into account.


I don't know where you get your high opinion of the PS3 hardware from - I guess you really lapped up all of Phil Harrison and Ken Kutaragi's bullshit.

The PS3 hardware is not an unknown quantity. There are several detailed comparisons of the Xbox360 and PS3 hardware publicly available. I'd search for the links but I'm too lazy - look it up yourself if you're interested.

The PS3 has 6 SPUs available to a game in a shipping console (not 8). The Xbox360 has 6 hardware PowerPC cores. The Xbox360 GPU is more powerful than the PS3s - Sony needs to use SPUs to make up for this lack of GPU horsepower.

The ease of programmability is always a very important factor too. You can say "Lazy game developers make the PS3 look bad" but programmability has a huge impact on the schedule and cost of making a game when it takes 10x as long to implement a feature at optimal performance as it does to implement the same feature on another console. Ultimately, ease of programmability impacts performance too, regardless of how hard working your programmers are.

[Boris]

There has been numerous admonitions that Cell is powerful, supplemented by the fact that multiple private sector companies and universities are using Cell for super computer related tasks. I don't see them using the 360 processor for those same tasks.

What a totally meaningless argument. The Xbox360 uses a custom chip design that was designed solely for the Xbox360. The Cell is a chip design that was designed for general purpose computing to compete with Intel. It doesn't make the Cell vastly superior to the Xbox360 core.

[Arglor]

i don't know about all of the ps3 arguments above, but i'm interested in playing the game. She looks badass, and the gameplay looks interesting. What is more is the story looks well delivered with all the video surfacing of motion capture.

I'm honestly excited about a lot of ps3 titles right now. Wish they would come out ;)

[CptTripps]

Motorstorm is truly the next gen, Virtua Fighter 5 is truly the next gen, and so is F1. Aside from that, I don't have anything to really point you at because developers haven't properly utilized the hardware in Cell yet, except for maybe Evolution studios. As I already said, developers need to learn how to work with the hardware before they can properly get the power out of there. There has been numerous admonitions that Cell is powerful, supplemented by the fact that multiple private sector companies and universities are using Cell for super computer related tasks. I don't see them using the 360 processor for those same tasks.

Again, you are using some high level comparisons here when you can't do that. Gears of War looked so good because 1. Epic has fantastic artists, and 2. They have a fantastic streaming texture solution for UE3. No game to this point on PS3 has been using streaming textures to my knowledge, and the first one I have seen or claimed to be is Ratchet and Clank, which looks absolutely stunning. If you want to keep arguing about how the PS3 doesn't look better right now - 6 months after it's come out - it's a complete waste of my time. I am very confident that in another 6 months, and further on, you will see the PS3 start to pull away from the 360 in terms of what it puts out on the screen.

WTF are you talking about? When did I use GoW in any sentence? Oh right, you did that not me. If I want to keep arguing? I never started in the first place you argumentative freak. You are in fact wasting my time by imagining what you wanted to hear instead of actually reading what I write just so you can argue further.

[silv]

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is. It isn't their fault that it takes time for developers to get accustomed to working with the hardware. It also isn't their fault that they are incorrectly porting games from 360 -> PS3, which is much more difficult than going PS3 -> 360 (which means PS3 third party games look worse).

Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, and Genji, are some of the best looking games I've seen for the next generation so far, and video of Lair, Heavenly Sword, and MGS4 are even more impressive than what I've seen on the 360 (except perhaps Gears).

You, and many others, make the mistake of just saying "HAHA PS3 DOESN'T LOOK BETTER THAN 360" without taking the dozens of other variables into account.

It's more or less accepted that the PS3 has a more powerful processor (albeit highly specialized) and Xenos is more powerful than the RSX.

Look at Beyond3D and ArsTechnica for great documentation on all of these 4 chips. At any rate, the systems are more or less of a toss up.

360 is easier to write for by all accounts, and has a more powerful GPU.
PS3 is harder to write for, and rewards you with a more powerful CPU.


Anytime you hear someone saying that one system is leaps and bounds more powerful than the other is a good tip-off that it is either marketing-babble or they don't know what they are talking about.

[CptTripps]

I'm honestly excited about a lot of ps3 titles right now. Wish they would come out ;)

Agreed, when I can afford one I will. Warhawk and Lair are right up my alley.

[CptTripps]

It's more or less accepted that the PS3 has a more powerful processor (albeit highly specialized) and Xenos is more powerful than the RSX.

Look at Beyond3D and ArsTechnica for great documentation on all of these 4 chips. At any rate, the systems are more or less of a toss up.

360 is easier to write for by all accounts, and has a more powerful GPU.
PS3 is harder to write for, and rewards you with a more powerful CPU.


Anytime you hear someone saying that one system is leaps and bounds more powerful than the other is a good tip-off that it is either marketing-babble or they don't know what they are talking about.

*claps hands and nods agreement*

[Jack B]

***puts on fire proof suit, googles, grabs some popcorn and pulls up a chair*** :D

[CptTripps]

***puts on fire proof suit, googles, grabs some popcorn and pulls up a chair*** :D

Dude, where did you buy those googles? I've been looking for some. :)

[Joestar]

I don't know where you get your high opinion of the PS3 hardware from - I guess you really lapped up all of Phil Harrison and Ken Kutaragi's bullshit.

The PS3 hardware is not an unknown quantity. There are several detailed comparisons of the Xbox360 and PS3 hardware publicly available. I'd search for the links but I'm too lazy - look it up yourself if you're interested.

The PS3 has 6 SPUs available to a game in a shipping console (not 8). The Xbox360 has 6 hardware PowerPC cores. The Xbox360 GPU is more powerful than the PS3s - Sony needs to use SPUs to make up for this lack of GPU horsepower.

The ease of programmability is always a very important factor too. You can say "Lazy game developers make the PS3 look bad" but programmability has a huge impact on the schedule and cost of making a game when it takes 10x as long to implement a feature at optimal performance as it does to implement the same feature on another console. Ultimately, ease of programmability impacts performance too, regardless of how hard working your programmers are.

3 cores, actually. And even MS has admitted that the cell chip is pretty much stronger than their 3 cores. I don't think that the Xbox360's GPU is more powerful than the RSX, it's pretty much neck to neck, but MS made all the difference with its architecture. Some awesome work done with it. I do think Sony will pull out in terms of graphics in 2, 3 years though, the Blu-Ray, with all the flack given about it will be able to store more 1080p quality textures than the Xbox360's dvds. This however, will probably only mean that in terms of system exclusives for the PS3 or Xbox360, the PS3 will come top in graphical prowess. But for non-exclusives, there will be virtually no difference in graphics.

The PS3 does have a long way to go though, it has been proven that PS3 version of the games are graphically inferior than the Xbox360's. Hopefully developers will get the hang on how to create games for the PS3.

[Siraris]

It's more or less accepted that the PS3 has a more powerful processor (albeit highly specialized) and Xenos is more powerful than the RSX.

Look at Beyond3D and ArsTechnica for great documentation on all of these 4 chips. At any rate, the systems are more or less of a toss up.

360 is easier to write for by all accounts, and has a more powerful GPU.
PS3 is harder to write for, and rewards you with a more powerful CPU.


Anytime you hear someone saying that one system is leaps and bounds more powerful than the other is a good tip-off that it is either marketing-babble or they don't know what they are talking about.

I'm not saying it's leaps and bounds more powerful, and I don't think Sony is either, at least the non-marketing people. I am referring to the developers who have actually spent time learning how the PS3 architecture works. I'm saying it will be noticeably better in what it produces based on what I know about the hardware, and not just the CPU and the GPU. People - even the guys on Beyond3D - know very little about the RSX, and so they can't draw comparisons between the two, but Xenos and RSX are extremely close in power.

Cell, though, is a much more powerful processor when it comes to doing graphics and physics and audio, which is where most people notice. The problem is, it suffers when it comes to general tasks like the OS, because Sony doesn't have a proper virtualized operating system.

But again, it's not just CPU and GPU, it's also the memory interconnects, it's BUS speed, it's the speed of the memory, it's the amount of data you can hold on disc, it's the tricks you can pull off with the hardware as well. All of those things combined has the PS3 in its favor, and it will become more and more apparent over time. A big help to that will be when developers either start developing a different engine for the PS3 and the 360, or developing for PS3 first and porting to 360, as well as first party developers putting out more exclusive content.

Although most people on this site won't realize it because they have some sort of block on appreciating any product put out by Sony.

[Oddmaker]

Who wants Graphics anyways? It's the fun of the games that i want!

[Boris]

3 cores, actually. And even MS has admitted that the cell chip is pretty much stronger than their 3 cores. I don't think that the Xbox360's GPU is more powerful than the RSX, it's pretty much neck to neck, but MS made all the difference with its architecture. Some awesome work done with it. I do think Sony will pull out in terms of graphics in 2, 3 years though, the Blu-Ray, with all the flack given about it will be able to store more 1080p quality textures than the Xbox360's dvds. This however, will probably only mean that in terms of system exclusives for the PS3 or Xbox360, the PS3 will come top in graphical prowess. But for non-exclusives, there will be virtually no difference in graphics.

The PS3 does have a long way to go though, it has been proven that PS3 version of the games are graphically inferior than the Xbox360's. Hopefully developers will get the hang on how to create games for the PS3.

Sorry, I meant to write 6 hardware threads (not cores).

[silv]

I'm not saying it's leaps and bounds more powerful, and I don't think Sony is either, at least the non-marketing people. I am referring to the developers who have actually spent time learning how the PS3 architecture works. I'm saying it will be noticeably better in what it produces based on what I know about the hardware, and not just the CPU and the GPU. People - even the guys on Beyond3D - know very little about the RSX, and so they can't draw comparisons between the two, but Xenos and RSX are extremely close in power.

Cell, though, is a much more powerful processor when it comes to doing graphics and physics and audio, which is where most people notice. The problem is, it suffers when it comes to general tasks like the OS, because Sony doesn't have a proper virtualized operating system.

But again, it's not just CPU and GPU, it's also the memory interconnects, it's BUS speed, it's the speed of the memory, it's the amount of data you can hold on disc, it's the tricks you can pull off with the hardware as well. All of those things combined has the PS3 in its favor, and it will become more and more apparent over time. A big help to that will be when developers either start developing a different engine for the PS3 and the 360, or developing for PS3 first and porting to 360, as well as first party developers putting out more exclusive content.

Although most people on this site won't realize it because they have some sort of block on appreciating any product put out by Sony.

There are specific parts of each system which are better than the other. For example, the DVD reading speed on the 360 is faster than the blu-ray read speed. Ofcourse the trade-off is that there is much more storage available on the PS3.

This will cause design decisions to be made, and most likely 360 games will use in-game cut scenes instead of large pre-rendered HD footage. (Which is massive) You will also see compressed audio, in place of the uncompressed audio on the PS3. But will this really impact actual gameplay? Clearly not, as you have massive games like Oblivion which fit onto a single DVD.

Due to the PS3's hard drive, you can also do things like stream off the HD to try to make up for the slower read speed of the BR drive, and you can't really do that on the 360 because of the Core.

But, you also have things like the eDRAM on Xenos, which gives you certain advantages. (But you also have to tile render, to make full use of it)

Anyway, I think both platforms are so close in power that it is really a moot point to debate.

One thing I have noticed, is that generally PS3 games seem to have lower resolution textures on the whole. I'm not sure if it is due to the PS3's memory limitations, but that is just something I have noticed.

Again, it could also be due to the fact that most games coming out now for the PS3 were developed on pre-production hardware.

[Boris]

I'm not saying it's leaps and bounds more powerful, and I don't think Sony is either, at least the non-marketing people. I am referring to the developers who have actually spent time learning how the PS3 architecture works. I'm saying it will be noticeably better in what it produces based on what I know about the hardware, and not just the CPU and the GPU. People - even the guys on Beyond3D - know very little about the RSX, and so they can't draw comparisons between the two, but Xenos and RSX are extremely close in power.

Cell, though, is a much more powerful processor when it comes to doing graphics and physics and audio, which is where most people notice. The problem is, it suffers when it comes to general tasks like the OS, because Sony doesn't have a proper virtualized operating system.

But again, it's not just CPU and GPU, it's also the memory interconnects, it's BUS speed, it's the speed of the memory, it's the amount of data you can hold on disc, it's the tricks you can pull off with the hardware as well. All of those things combined has the PS3 in its favor, and it will become more and more apparent over time. A big help to that will be when developers either start developing a different engine for the PS3 and the 360, or developing for PS3 first and porting to 360, as well as first party developers putting out more exclusive content.

Although most people on this site won't realize it because they have some sort of block on appreciating any product put out by Sony.


You're still spouting these spurious PS3 hardware biased comments. I'd be very surprised if the PS3 ever produces anything that is vastly better than the Xbox360. The PS3's Cell does have more potential horsepower than the Xbox360 cores. How much of that horsepower can be gained from optimising those 6 (not 8) SPUs given the complexity of programming the SPUs and the difficulty of breaking up a game engine into neat parallel processed components that can efficiently use the SPUs small local store memory is a big question - and one that only the developers with the most resources and time can answer. Frankly, programming for the Cell sounds like a big waste of time.

[cp#]

3 cores, actually. And even MS has admitted that the cell chip is pretty much stronger than their 3 cores. I don't think that the Xbox360's GPU is more powerful than the RSX, it's pretty much neck to neck, but MS made all the difference with its architecture. Some awesome work done with it. I do think Sony will pull out in terms of graphics in 2, 3 years though, the Blu-Ray, with all the flack given about it will be able to store more 1080p quality textures than the Xbox360's dvds. This however, will probably only mean that in terms of system exclusives for the PS3 or Xbox360, the PS3 will come top in graphical prowess. But for non-exclusives, there will be virtually no difference in graphics.

The PS3 does have a long way to go though, it has been proven that PS3 version of the games are graphically inferior than the Xbox360's. Hopefully developers will get the hang on how to create games for the PS3.

I really don't think graphics on the 360 and PS3 are going to get much better. The hardware can only do so much.

Anyway, I do not like the main chicks hair. At all... reminds me of the DOA Xtreme video with the hair going through the girls bodies.. clipping ftw!

[Jack B]

Who wants Graphics anyways? It's the fun of the games that i want!

Now what kind of a crappy misguided attitude is that! ;)

[Joestar]

I really don't think graphics on the 360 and PS3 are going to get much better. They hardware can only do so much.

Anyway, I do not like the main chicks hair. At all... reminds me of the DOA Xtreme video with the hair going through the girls bodies.. clipping ftw!

I think they will. Basically, after understanding on how to effectively process and share data through multiple cores (or cells), we might get better looking games then what we have now. It's still a new concept to be learnt (by game developers I mean) so we have some hope there.

And the hair? I know this might sound strange, but the hair is too blocky and low-poly for that model. Hopefully, this might probably be 'temporary' hair, as they're probably working on a better version for the hair now, sorta like what they did with Violet from the Incredibles (Her hair was one of the last things to finally be perfected for the movie.).

[Siraris]

You're still spouting these spurious PS3 hardware biased comments. I'd be very surprised if the PS3 ever produces anything that is vastly better than the Xbox360. The PS3's Cell does have more potential horsepower than the Xbox360 cores. How much of that horsepower can be gained from optimising those 6 (not 8) SPUs given the complexity of programming the SPUs and the difficulty of breaking up a game engine into neat parallel processed components that can efficiently use the SPUs small local store memory is a big question - and one that only the developers with the most resources and time can answer. Frankly, programming for the Cell sounds like a big waste of time.

How is anyone supposed to take anything that you post seriously - especially when it comes to Sony - when you are quickly becoming one of the biggest Sony trolls on this site? I have yet to see one worthwhile post that you've made on EvilAvatar, mostly just idiotic one liners about Phil Harrison or some other inane comment.

The comments that you make here are entirely based on the anti-Sony propaganda that feeds your trollish posts - such as the small memory stores in the SPU's, or that you need to break up the program. If you look into things, you'd realize that the way Cell is programmed is the direction that a lot of technology is taking. Here's a quote for you from one of the guys who developed Havok

GS: I suppose it's because you can use bigger chunks on 360, whereas on PS3, you have to chop it up a lot more?

JY: Yeah, you have a more unified memory architecture on 360 and PC in general. I think that there are merits to both, though. If you can move the world over to many processors and structure the game so that you can dice stuff up, there's a lot of leading-edge technology out there that seems to be going in that direction. That might just be one of those paradigm shifts that the software development component of the game industry goes through over the next five or ten years.

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070416/sheffield_01.shtml here's the link as I'm sure Jack B will come in looking for it.

Keep going on these tirades, though, it really does a lot to further your cause.

[CptTripps]

Who wants Graphics anyways? It's the fun of the games that i want!

As one of those guys that played in arcades before even the Atari ever came out, I salute you. Although, I would like both graphics and fun (crackdown for example). I have also been playing worms with my neighbor almost everyday since it came out on XBLA. He is such a non-gamer but could not resist the humorous and addictive gameplay.

[Tyrant]

How is anyone supposed to take anything that you post seriously - especially when it comes to Sony

lollerskates!

Once again, the same thing can be said of you, albeit at the other end of the "Sony Spectrum".

[Jack B]

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070416/sheffield_01.shtml here's the link as I'm sure Jack B will come in looking for it.


That was uncalled for... I'm not even participating in this technical battle and you single me out. :mad:

This thread could last days. There have been a ton of literature on the topic from John Carmack to ARSTechica. Been there done that. Have fun, but don't try to drag me into this.

[Siraris]

That was uncalled for... I'm not even participating in this technical battle and you single me out. :mad:

This thread could last days. There have been a ton of literature on the topic from John Carmack to ARSTechica. Been there done that. Have fun, but don't try to drag me into this.

lol, because you are the resident quote man?

[Boris]

How is anyone supposed to take anything that you post seriously - especially when it comes to Sony - when you are quickly becoming one of the biggest Sony trolls on this site? I have yet to see one worthwhile post that you've made on EvilAvatar, mostly just idiotic one liners about Phil Harrison or some other inane comment.

The comments that you make here are entirely based on the anti-Sony propaganda that feeds your trollish posts - such as the small memory stores in the SPU's, or that you need to break up the program. If you look into things, you'd realize that the way Cell is programmed is the direction that a lot of technology is taking. Here's a quote for you from one of the guys who developed Havok

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070416/sheffield_01.shtml here's the link as I'm sure Jack B will come in looking for it.

Keep going on these tirades, though, it really does a lot to further your cause.

Dude, I don't have a cause. I might find Sony's bogus propaganda machine to be a huge joke and maybe I take that too far sometimes for my own amusement, oh well <shrug>.

Also, I'm sorry I haven't been keeping a count of all of *your* incredibly worthwhile and insightful posts. Frankly, I don't want anyone to take all of my posts seriously - it's up to them to do their own research and draw their own conclusions rather than believe whatever comes from Sony Corp's publicity machine.

Your Havok quote doesn't counter my argument though. Of course, processors are embracing parallel processing, so what? The argument here is whether the PS3s potential parallel processing power can be effectively harnessed to deliver a vastly more impressive gaming experience than the Xbox360. My position is no and because of the difficulty in programming the bloody thing, the average game on the PS3 will compare less favorably to it's Xbox360 equivalent.

[Stryfe01]

Being honest...This is one of the few games that I want to play for PS3. The rest being obvious favorites. Still, unless reviews are high, I doubt that this will make me buy a PS3 like GOW made m buy a 360.

[CptTripps]

I'm not saying it's leaps and bounds more powerful

Yes, yes you did.

They aren't outrageous claims that the PS3 is much more powerful, because it is.

[Jack B]

lol, because you are the resident quote man?

Thanks for the heartfelt apology. :rolleyes:

[bean19]

While the game by no means looks bad it does seem like it has received a graphical downgrade compared to the previous E3 showings. This seems to be the norm with current PS3 games and I don't like it.

I was at E3 last year and played the demo then. It looked awesome but only as awesome as these pics. This makes me wonder what you guys were looking at. . . Did Sony release pics that were not from the demo?

Also, these look really, really good. If you are looking for the PS3 to deliver something that isn't possible on the X360 though. . . well, I don't know if you'll see that this generation. Both of the systems seem to be closer to each other in graphics capability than any previous generations. We keep hearing about how the 2nd generation Sony games will be the shizzle and look as good as Gears of War or better, and this shows that they will look as good. . . but not better.

The difference this generation will come down to game libraries. It really comes down to this every generation if you look at them closely. Obviously the original Xbox was better hardware than the PS2, pretty much in every measurement you could make (instead of just a few like this generation), but I bet 99% of people would choose a PS2 and it's game library over the Xbox and it's game library if they had to live out the rest of their lives on a desert island with just one of the systems. That last 1% would be some Halo fucktards.

However, this generation with the two technology consoles being so close to each other in capabilities, game libraries will be even more important.

[Siraris]

Thanks for the heartfelt apology. :rolleyes:

Why would I apologize for what I said? Are you not someone who is big on quotes? Do you not like to use many quotes and charts in your posts?

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, and extremely tame. If you're that offended I'll remove it.

[cp#]

I think they will. Basically, after understanding on how to effectively process and share data through multiple cores (or cells), we might get better looking games then what we have now. It's still a new concept to be learnt (by game developers I mean) so we have some hope there.

And the hair? I know this might sound strange, but the hair is too blocky and low-poly for that model. Hopefully, this might probably be 'temporary' hair, as they're probably working on a better version for the hair now, sorta like what they did with Violet from the Incredibles (Her hair was one of the last things to finally be perfected for the movie.).

I can put it another way. My graphics card is a 7900GT.. I think the RSX is based on the same core (G70). Sure this card will be able to run new games for another year or two, but I would in turn have to turn down the detail and the resolution. With the 360 all games need to run at 720p (or 1280x720), same for the PS3. Developers need to shoot for a minimum of 60fps (some may get away with 30). Adding more and more eye candy will just kill the FPS (as will upping the resolution to 1080p).

Base line: Both the RSX and the Xenos are from the same generation and run DX 9.0c

The RSX can push 20.8 GB of data per second while the Xenos pushes just over 22GB/sec. The Cell may be more powerful on paper but it is fact that it is more difficult to code.

All in all the consoles are basically fucking equal in power, people can say whatever they want but the specs do not lie.

Here is a good article: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

I'm saying it's a copout. There is no valid reason for it to be included and is just thrown in there to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It makes a great game look cheap to me. And I do believe there is a difference between a hyper-exageration like Lara Croft and one of a chick with the bottom of her ass hanging out.

Since when was I not allowed to have an opinion? The forums lately have certainly become fueled with enough hate and condemnation, that you need not add to it. EA as a community where you could have an intellegent discussion is quickly becoming a thing of the past.


Well said.

[51|RandoM]

Who wants Graphics anyways? It's the fun of the games that i want!

Thank $deity I live in a world where great graphics and great gameplay are not mutually exclusive goals.


unless you're talking about Genji...

[51|RandoM]

Keep going on these tirades, though, it really does a lot to further your cause.

If he submits some stories of his own they'll probably make him a moderator. :rolleyes:

[Jack B]

Thank $deity I live in a world where great graphics and great gameplay are not mutually exclusive goals.


unless you're talking about Genji...

Good point. I'd agree.

[bean19]

What this game needs, is more female ass cheek. Oh wait, it's included in every screen. Most excellent.

Yeah. I agree with you that this is over the top. I'd like to know what here background is as I'm completely NOT opposed to characters being half-naked when it is appropriate.

That's the key though. . . When it is inappropriate, it paints women as sex objects. I think they do this on purpose with heroines to make them more approachable to chauvinists. Women of questionable purity are allowed to be as powerful as men for some reason. . . I don't understand it, but it is a literary convention that spans genres and that can be traced all the way back to Shakespeare.

[Jack B]

Why would I apologize for what I said? Are you not someone who is big on quotes? Do you not like to use many quotes and charts in your posts?

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, and extremely tame. If you're that offended I'll remove it.

No, that's fine. I read your meaning wrong. My mistake.

It's true I respect people when they back up any claims with facts, articles links etc. I had no interest in making you do that here, because this topic is A, above my technical ability to go toe to toe with many people and B, we've seen it played out so many times before.

Most of the actual facts about the hardware for both the 360 and PS3 have been static for a long time, so I didn't care to get involved and see those same articles dug up one more time.

Carry on.

[Boris]

If he submits some stories of his own they'll probably make him a moderator. :rolleyes:

Oh, quick, Siraris, pull out your "worthwhile" post calculator, 51|RandoM just made a doosie!

[51|RandoM]

Oh, quick, Siraris, pull out your "worthwhile" post calculator, 51|RandoM just made a doosie!

Mine will prove somewhat entertaining to people who've been here awhile.

Your longwinded ps3 vs. 360 hardware discussion? Last year is calling. We've had that, had it ad nauseum.

Start a new thread in gaming if you really want to discuss that instead of polluting one about Heavenly Sword.

Talk about the game instead of the deepseated rejection you felt when you found out that Phil Harrison wasn't your best buddy. You found out that he was actually doing marketing---for a company, a company that hey, wants to sell you stuff---and not chatting with his old buddy Boris about a brave new world.

QQ, Phil broke your heart. Get over it. Let's talk about Heavenly Sword without grinding an axe at the same time, shall we?

[Boris]

Mine will prove somewhat entertaining to people who've been here awhile.

Your longwinded ps3 vs. 360 hardware discussion? Last year is calling. We've had that, had it ad nauseum.

Start a new thread in gaming if you really want to discuss that instead of polluting one about Heavenly Sword.

Talk about the game instead of the deepseated rejection you felt when you found out that Phil Harrison wasn't your best buddy. You found out that he was actually doing marketing---for a company, a company that hey, wants to sell you stuff---and not chatting with his old buddy Boris about a brave new world.

QQ, Phil broke your heart. Get over it. Let's talk about Heavenly Sword without grinding an axe at the same time, shall we?

OK, let's talk Heavenly Sword...

My those trees sure are pretty!

[theguido]

I really wish we could talk about the game without these console war e-peen pissoffs.

[fitbabits]

I really wish we could talk about the game without these console war e-peen pissoffs.
Then go right ahead.

[LikeTheRazor]

The game is boring, these PS3 vs. Xbox360 flamewars are much more interesting.

[Gott]

My reaction to the screen shots:

"eh..."

[Gorvi]

I just watched that dev video over at IGN, yeah, this game looks bad ass. Those screens don't nearly do it justice. This really looks like the PS3's God of War.

[Yeti2005]

When is this game being released? I know it's 07 but has it been narrowed down from there?

[Mr.Green]

Who wants Graphics anyways? It's the fun of the games that i want!
Here we go again. Do we really need one of those hippies in every thread? ;)

[Skyelan]

Oh no, this is like bizarro Borys.

ME AM LOVE SONY! THEY NOT EAT DOG! ME NOT SHIT PANTS WITH RAGE!

[Siraris]

When is this game being released? I know it's 07 but has it been narrowed down from there?

No one knows, but probably this fall. Going to be a busy few months...

[saulob]

ok... PC version ? :D

[Morratut]

From the look of the screens compared to previous it looks like it's been downgraded to me. It now has the same look of other PS3 titles. The look is currently overly bright and lacking in texture detail and a bit sparse. It's hard to describe but it looks like the PS3 is afraid of really deep vivid colours.

I've got a PS3 and a 360. Just my opinion. Don't get me wrong the game looks great, just not STUNNING like it used to be.

I now think Ninja Gaiden Sigma looks better than this.

As long as Heavenly Sword is fun the graphics are more than good enough for me.

*EDIT* I still haven't seen any recent videos of this game. My opinion may change. ;)

[Wolvie]

So ya don't like Sony downgrading the PS3 graphics huh? Remember that Killzone 2 video? The one that was supposed to be rel, but was a big fake CG video? Yeah, you better be prepared to be underwhelmed when the real game footage of Killzone 2 is released.

[bapenguin]

I'm not saying it's leaps and bounds more powerful, and I don't think Sony is either, at least the non-marketing people. I am referring to the developers who have actually spent time learning how the PS3 architecture works. I'm saying it will be noticeably better in what it produces based on what I know about the hardware, and not just the CPU and the GPU. People - even the guys on Beyond3D - know very little about the RSX, and so they can't draw comparisons between the two, but Xenos and RSX are extremely close in power.

I can't believe I'm saying this....but people need to stop ragging on Siraris for saying the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

Because frankly...it better be. It had a full year longer in development, and the hardware had that much longer to mature. Think about PCs and how much hardware changes over the course of a year. That's like 2 generations of video cards right there! ;)

[reimomo]

Actually Ninja Theory deservers major props because their last game was Kung Fu Chaos and that sucked ass (they might have even changed their name because of it :) This game looks like a major step up.

I bought my XBOX mainly to play Kung Fu Kaos :) How did it sucks ass? Was it the humor, or fun coop playing experience? Guess they figured "needs more ass cheek!".

[Venkman]

THe outdoor textures are looking kind of flat, while the indoor/architecture textures like stone roads and brick look like they at least have bump mapping.

The trees in the screenshots look very smooth. It needs at least a bump in there, if not some normal/parallax mapping.

[bean19]

THe outdoor textures are looking kind of flat, while the indoor/architecture textures like stone roads and brick look like they at least have bump mapping.

The trees in the screenshots look very smooth. It needs at least a bump in there, if not some normal/parallax mapping.

Have you seen the Halo 3 environments yet? They look like someone just took Halo 2 maps and bumped up the resolution.

Heavenly Sword looks good.

[silv]

I can't believe I'm saying this....but people need to stop ragging on Siraris for saying the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

Because frankly...it better be. It had a full year longer in development, and the hardware had that much longer to mature. Think about PCs and how much hardware changes over the course of a year. That's like 2 generations of video cards right there! ;)

That's the thing though, it really isn't. It has a slight theoretical power advantage (not that much, either) and no one even really knows yet whether that will convert into any actual power advantage. So, if it does end up being more powerful, it will be by a fairly marginal amount.

An extra year in development doesn't do much when the extra year is waiting on blu-ray.

That said, there are a few places where it clearly has the advantage. Storage space, and a HDD in all SKU's.

[CptTripps]

I can't believe I'm saying this....but people need to stop ragging on Siraris for saying the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

Because frankly...it better be. It had a full year longer in development, and the hardware had that much longer to mature. Think about PCs and how much hardware changes over the course of a year. That's like 2 generations of video cards right there! ;)

I don't think it was ragging on him as that would be one sided. I think it was more of an arguing back and forth. Alas, I am done, we've all said what we have to say (I hope) and we now know where everyone stands. But really, if they had another year to kill the 360 with 2 generations of video cards, then they should have taken advantage of that and implemented a DX10 video solution from Nvidia.

Anyway, heavenly sword looks good but I'm still waiting for something with that 110% fun factor that makes me want a PS3 badly enough to spend the $$$.

[[HATE]MyLife]

I can't believe I'm saying this....but people need to stop ragging on Siraris for saying the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.


Then perhaps he should start listening to people developing for BOTH platforms. We have to bump down our texture resolution for the PS3 due to memory constraints. Simple as that.

CPU power is a total non-factor with BOTH consoles. Honestly, I'd take a drop in processing power for more RAM any day. Once all is said and done, we have about 325 megs of memory available for content on 360, and about 230 megs for content on PS3. That equates to either smaller levels, or lower res textures.

[Vanthar]

MyLife']Then perhaps he should start listening to people developing for BOTH platforms. We have to bump down our texture resolution for the PS3 due to memory constraints. Simple as that.

CPU power is a total non-factor with BOTH consoles. Honestly, I'd take a drop in processing power for more RAM any day. Once all is said and done, we have about 325 megs of memory available for content on 360, and about 230 megs for content on PS3. That equates to either smaller levels, or lower res textures.


I don't see why the disparity is so huge.. You can access the PS3's other ram pool for textures.

[[HATE]MyLife]

I don't see why the disparity is so huge.. You can access the PS3's other ram pool for textures.
That's counting both banks of memory.

[Venkman]

Have you seen the Halo 3 environments yet? They look like someone just took Halo 2 maps and bumped up the resolution.

Heavenly Sword looks good.

Relax man. Heaveny sword does look good. I would buy a PS3 just for that game. There is no other game that makes me want to buy a PS3 more than heavenly sword.

But they still need bump and/or normal mapping on those trees. They've put it everywhere else, which leads me to think it is an unfinished environment.

[bean19]

Relax man. Heaveny sword does look good. I would buy a PS3 just for that game. There is no other game that makes me want to buy a PS3 more than heavenly sword.

But they still need bump and/or normal mapping on those trees. They've put it everywhere else, which leads me to think it is an unfinished environment.

Oh, I am not a Sony fanboy - don't get me wrong. I'm just amazed at the amount of criticism that Heavenly Sword is getting when it is an extraordinarily pretty game.

Even if it plays like God of War and is this extraordinarily pretty, I don't think it's worth over $700 to play it (after buying the system and the game and paying taxes). It's going to take a few years before there are enough killer games on the PS3 for it to be worth that kind of money to me.

[Micasa]

I can't believe I'm saying this....but people need to stop ragging on Siraris for saying the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

Because frankly...it better be. It had a full year longer in development, and the hardware had that much longer to mature. Think about PCs and how much hardware changes over the course of a year. That's like 2 generations of video cards right there! ;)

Both consoles had their hardware locked down within months of one another. Just because one took a year longer to actually hit market doesn't mean the hardware is really a year more advanced.

The PS3 has a processor advantage, though the difficulties in harnessing that may make it a negligible one for a few years. The 360 has the advantage in RAM. The graphics cards are a wash, the 360's is perhaps more powerful but the PS3 can offload portions of the work to the SPE's. Getting that to work efficiently, aka to the point that doing it isn't actually harming performance more than leaving everything on the RSX and scaling some effects back instead, will likely be the work on another year or so.

[Vanthar]

MyLife']That's counting both banks of memory. The 360 reserves 32MB for System use, the PS3 reserves 112MB. Then there are frame buffers in both banks as well.

Interesting that you report those numbers as it is my understanding that it's clearly in the NDA not to.

[fitbabits]

Interesting that you report those numbers as it is my understanding that it's clearly in the NDA not to.
Ruh-roh! Raggy?

[[HATE]MyLife]

Interesting that you report those numbers as it is my understanding that it's clearly in the NDA not to.
These are known numbers...
From GameSetWatch.com:
So, apparently, all of the Xbox 360 system information (dashboard/online) fits into 32mb, resident at all times. Pete Isensee at Microsoft comments of the alternative: "For comparison, PS3 developers have to deal with a system that has memory split into two 256MB banks, one of which is reserved for graphics only. A large portion of both the memory banks are reserved for the system. On top of that, games that want to support other features, like friends lists or in-game commerce, take an additional memory hit."

He continues: "[An Ars Technica postl indicates that a total of 96MB is reserved for the system on PS3. [An Innerbits post indicates that 9MB is required for friends lists (and 60MB for in-game commerce!). If those numbers are correct, a PS3 title using friends lists functionality has 512-96-9 = 407MB available, 73MB less than an Xbox 360 title using the same features."

Sorry if my numbers were off.

[Virtuoso]

What ever happened to the super realistic looking "screenshots" we got like a month ago.

The ones that were "in-game" as opposed to obviously "pre-rendered"?

[bean19]

Interesting that you report those numbers as it is my understanding that it's clearly in the NDA not to.

This has been leaked all over. You can't unring the bell.

[fitbabits]

What ever happened to the super realistic looking "screenshots" we got like a month ago.

The ones that were "in-game" as opposed to obviously "pre-rendered"?
You may want to ask Sony about that.