Kutaragi Explains PS3 Backwards Compatibility, Bashes Xbox

[zsears]

The current Xbox will become antiquated once the new machine comes out this November. When that happens, the Xbox will be killing itself. The only way to avoid that is to support 100 percent compatibility from its [Xbox 360's] launch date, but Microsoft won't be able to commit to that. It's technically difficult," Kutaragi commented.

Here is the original page: Backwards Compatibility (http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=9823&section=feature&email=) Check it out!

Now the Kutaragi bashing begins. :eek:

[Zanzibar]

ROFL...somebody, please, for the love of God, go put a bullet in this guy.

Of course, without him, we would have nothing to scoff at Sony about.

Ol' Ken is panicked. Has anyone else noticed how shrill he's sounding about ANYTHING that involves the X360?

[Vandenh]

Just stop quoting Kutagari... We only get flame wars and he just talks drivel. The guy obviously doesn't have a clue...

[zsears]

Hey, even though he tends to over exagerate specs, he is the reason we have a Playstation and that in itself is a very awesome thing.

[workerbee]

don't forget that the xbox 360 will kick puppies and steal your mother's purse... right Ken?

[outontheporch]

the new atari will pwn xbox sony and nintendo

[zsears]

the new atari will pwn xbox sony and nintendo
What the hell are you talking about? :confused:

[Zeal]

This man is a fucking con artist and professional bullshit machine.

I haven't seen this much bullshit since Frankie's Weekly Halo 2 Reports.

First of all, anyone who knows shit about computers knows that unification is the future. A unified shader model, unified chips that support multiple cores working together, unified memory on chip. Unified fucking everything. Unification.

This concept doesn't just hold true for hardware and software, but the entertainment industry in general. A merging of all mediums into one.

ATI is simply making the move in graphics already. Even Nvidia said that down the road, unified shader architecture would be the standard, only that they believe it is currently premature.

I do not see ATI choosing to go with this approach unless it could produce superior results to the current standard. It's just common sense, really.

[zsears]

This man is a fucking con artist and professional bullshit machine.

I haven't seen this much bullshit since Frankie's Weekly Halo 2 Reports.

First of all, anyone who knows shit about computers knows that unification is the future. A unified shader model, unified chips that support multiple cores working together, unified memory on chip. Unified fucking everything. Unification.

This concept doesn't just hold true for hardware and software, but the entertainment industry in general. A merging of all mediums into one.

ATI is simply making the move in graphics already. Even Nvidia said that down the road, unified shader architecture would be the standard, only that they believe it is currently premature.
It is the games that make the console and anyone who is dumb enough to buy a console for the graphics should be shot. MGS 4 is why I am buying a PS3 for sure. I'll just have to see if Halo 3 turns out better than Halo 2 did to justify buying a Xbox360. I thought the original Halo was much better than the sequel. Especially the story and the multiplayer. It just isn't as fun.

[Adam Blue]

It is the games that make the console and anyone who is dumb enough to buy a console for the graphics should be shot. MGS 4 is why I am buying a PS3 for sure. I'll just have to see if Halo 3 turns out better than Halo 2 did to justify buying a Xbox360. I thought the original Halo was much better than the sequel. Especially the story and the multiplayer. It just isn't as fun.

Your point holds true, but is subjective, and explaining in your opinion why one consoles games is better than the others voids your point. Graphical capability holds fact whereas how you like one game over another is simply an opinion based comment that just doesn't work.

Usually something like this is seen when one becomes defensive.

[baz]

I love Kutaragi, he keeps the day interesting. Need to get him and Allard in a ring, so then can shout each other off cheesy wrestling style.

no need to get worked up though, the man is just spinning as is his job

[Chandler]

the damn system is already antiqued because microsoft isnt making any more of them

[Vandenh]

>MGS 4 is why I am buying a PS3 for sure

I am sorry.. but you should be shot.

Anyway.. like somebody on Eurogamer put it. Watch Ken wrestle a bear next!

[Zeal]

I thought the original Halo was much better than the sequel.

That's because it was.

Halo 2 is a disgrace to the name.

[sTubbs]

I know it has become cliche, but the more Kutaragi opens his mouth, the more this is starting to feel like the PS2 all over again. The rotten truth is that the PS3 will not be capable of what he is claiming - both visually and otherwise. It seems as though he honestly believes that he can kill the 360 with hype alone, as the PS2 did with the Dreamcast. However, Kutaragi is clearly in denial about the fact that Bill Gates is not someone who will lie down that easily. Gates will gladly throw all of the money necessary to ensure the 360 gains market share throughout this generation. Obviously Sony will once again be the clear winner throughout this generation, but if I delay the purchase of any system, it will most certainly be the PS3.

[As I said in a previous thread today, I am eagerly awaiting both consoles, but Kutaragi simply needs to shut the fuck up until he has something solid to present. Pressing the fucking play button to start some movies simply does not count.]

[zsears]

Your point holds true, but is subjective, and explaining in your opinion why one consoles games is better than the others voids your point. Graphical capability holds fact whereas how you like one game over another is simply an opinion based comment that just doesn't work.

Usually something like this is seen when one becomes defensive.

It works if games on one console appeal to you more than games on the other console. I own an Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube. I am by no means getting defensive. I am not a fanboy. The fact that people get so worked up and and insult one of the three companies that I love upsets me. It is stupid. Gaming is about playing games that you love not about dissing other consoles that you do not have the money to own. I was not saying that the Playstation was better than the Xbox I was just stating reasons why I would buy the next generation consoles. Games like MGS 4 and Halo 3 can be big selling points. :D

[DiBiddilyBop]

The PS2 is the only console I own this generation and the PS3 is the only console I know that I'm going to get next generation. I'm curious how the XBox 360 will turn out so I might purchase it, and the Revolution... well, let's just say I doubt it.

That being said, Kutaragi is doing his damndest to turn me off from even buying a PS3. I mean, I'm going to, but I absolutely hate the fact that this smack-talking ass hat is their spokesman. It's like being in a heated debate and having the retard jump in to help you out. You'd just as soon have him arguing for the other guy's team...

[Evil Dude]

Seriously i don't see how halo 1 > halo 2.
Halo 1 level design is cut and paste, the pistol & weapon system changes so people are screwing halo 2 over that?
Wait, playing as arbiter so you hate it?

[zsears]

>MGS 4 is why I am buying a PS3 for sure

I am sorry.. but you should be shot.

Anyway.. like somebody on Eurogamer put it. Watch Ken wrestle a bear next!
Hey! Don't diss MGS. I'll shoot you in the crotch. :eek:

[zsears]

Seriously i don't see how halo 1 > halo 2.
Halo 1 level design is cut and paste, the pistol & weapon system changes so people are screwing halo 2 over that?
Wait, playing as arbiter so you hate it?
NO Halo 2 is a great game. The only problem that I have with it is the multiplayer doesn't feel the same. It is almost like they changed the multiplayer TOO much. Duel wielding is beautiful. I guess you just can't beat an original just like sequels to movies.

[outontheporch]

Seriously i don't see how halo 1 > halo 2.
Halo 1 level design is cut and paste, the pistol & weapon system changes so people are screwing halo 2 over that?
Wait, playing as arbiter so you hate it?

halo 2 story sucked my nuts, and the multiplayer was the same thing as one with like a sucky flying ship thing

[Evil Dude]

Personally i am ok with it, just goto adapt to the changes. I find halo 2 have more indepth gameplay.
So halo 2 is like a hate it or love it game, same goes to starcraft player who convert to warcraft. Counter Strike to Cs Source player.

[outontheporch]

also solid snake would kick master chief in the nuts any day of the week. also MC wouldnt know what hit him...he'd just have a question mark over his head

[KamaItachi]

You know what, I think this is all an elaborate plan by Kutaragi to get revenge on Sony for giving him the shaft. He's been brushed to the wayside to make room for new movers and shakers, now he's stuck in a "consultant" position with little or no imput.

Now he's just goint to go on and on, there's no stopping him. To the bosses it looks like he's giving it %110 but he's just going to make wilder and wilder claims. When the 360 ships, he's going to go to individual stores and smash the displays. He'll spit on passers-by who have GBAs. His final address will just be him jerking off in front of a live world-wide launch screaming "PS3 POWERS MY BAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSSSS!"
He'll stalk customers, sneak into their homes and be caught licking their consoles. Eventually people will be paralysed with fear at even the thought of buying one.

Meanwhile, as the company suffers terrible redundancies, Ken will take his golden handshake and move off to France to become some kind of new-wave baguette farmer.

[Redline]

Problem is that you can't believe anything this man says. Anyone that would gladly support CGI being shown as an actual indication of system performance obviously has no scruples.

[Zeal]

Now he's just goint to go on and on, there's no stopping him. To the bosses it looks like he's giving it %110 but he's just going to make wilder and wilder claims. When the 360 ships, he's going to go to individual stores and smash the displays. He'll spit on passers-by who have GBAs. His final address will just be him jerking off in front of a live world-wide launch screaming "PS3 POWERS MY BAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSSSS!"
He'll stalk customers, sneak into their homes and be caught licking their consoles. Eventually people will be paralysed with fear at even the thought of buying one.

Why is this one of the funniest things I've ever read.

[Vandenh]

>Hey! Don't diss MGS. I'll shoot you in the crotch.

Only if you promise to cut your mullet first! :rolleyes:

Halo 2 is the game I have played the most in my life online (not including MMORPGs). I guess that says enough about the quality. Online games don't get any better than this on consoles.

[Deadend]

Why is this one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Because it is COMPLETELY TRUE.

I want to have his job, I can talk bullshit and troll just as good as him.

He also seems to be saying new shit every other day.
He is nervous about the X360, thats all he talks about, and MS they dont even say anything... which is either stupid or ballsy but it makes them seem a bit more controled than Sony.

Was it just me... or was him talking about emulation using hardware AND software kind of a 'gee thanks captain obvious" as why wouldn't you use your hardware? As hardware runs software.... meaning Ken is a crazy man from using his PSP too much.

[baz]

Was it just me... or was him talking about emulation using hardware AND software kind of a 'gee thanks captain obvious" as why wouldn't you use your hardware? As hardware runs software.... meaning Ken is a crazy man from using his PSP too much.

While I don't really want to defend the dude, what he is saying makes a bit of sense. I.e. the ps2 emulated the ps1 by having a ps1 on a chip inside the box, not by running emulating software on the ps2 hardware. Looks like they are going for a similar thingy with ps3.

[bobbler]

Did anyone actually read the interview? It seems not. Here is a translation (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/13/news_6127392.html) (gamespot seems to not have actually read the translation either though).

He said the Xbox360 would have a difficult time giving full backwards compatibility (which is 100% true, MS has said this) -- I would exactly call that ragging on the Xbox360. The only time he even brought up the Xbox360 in the interview was in the questions that directly involved or asked about his opinion on the competitor.

Stop freaking out guys -- not everything KK says is a dig at MS.

Someone care to explain to me what is so offensive or untrue about:
IPW: The Xbox 360's backward compatibility will be done by software, since [there is] no other choice since they don't manufacture their own chips...

KK:The current Xbox will become antiquated once the new machine comes out this November. When that happens, the Xbox will be killing itself. The only way to avoid that is to support 100 percent compatibility from its [Xbox 360's] launch date, but Microsoft won't be able to commit to that. It's technically difficult.

Xbox is stopping production soon (by the end of this year supposedly) -- all the rumors point to that, at least.

While, I'll freely admit that Kuturagi has said some silly things about Xbox360... This is not an attack by any means -- it's stating information from MS.

[Dracula-X]

I too love Kutaragi, ppl take him way too seriously and so the reactions are amusing. To be fair, he didn't open his trap about the 360 until he was asked about it by Impress Watch. My praise for Ken comes from the fact he designed the Sound chip in the SNES (spc700), a fine piece of hardware altogether which was a blast to program. He designed the PSX as well, and that yielded assloads of gaming fun... We've alot to thank him for the way I see it, but that is only my opinion :)

[Dracula-X]

bobbler beat me to it :)

[womp]

I too love Kutaragi

eagerly awaiting kutaragi damacy.

[Achilles]

MGS 4 is why I am buying a PS3 for sure.MGS 4 is a 3rd party title and could come to both at the same time, one before the other, or things could go south with Sony and it could only come to the X360. If this is your key game it’s probably best to just say you’ll buy whatever MGS4 is best on. Personally I’m going to buy all 3 when they come out, but I’m a sucker; getting it for the sequel to your favorite game is a much less expensive proposition.

I think Kutaragi is insane but he’s growing on me. He’s probably right that they’re going to let the Xbox die after the 360 comes out. I guess Sony’s going to keep supporting the PS2 like they did with the PSOne after the successor came out. I don’t know which is the better solution, but if MS can get everyone who would have released Xbox games later this year to make X360 launch titles instead they’ll have one heck of a first 6 months. Whereas if Sony continues to support their old system instead of tell all the 3rd parties that they’re going to let it die and give them devkits two years in advance, they could end up with a big drought as people convert over (similar to what happened with the PS2).

[Kagger]

MGS4 is one of the main reasons I am looking forward to PS3.

I don't know what was with the PS2 hype, wasn't paying attention then. I think BC is a huge plus. I only had one system this generation, and whats nice about Rev is I can catch up (PS2 let me play all the old FF's, and I mean all of them, and MGS).

Will it kill Xbox 360, no, but it sure as heck would help

[AspectVoid]

Frankly, he's doing what he's suppossed to do, sell his system to the masses. The type of gamers who populate EA aren't really his target, as we're such a small segment of the general population. He's trying to sell his system to the people who buy a console for the latest and greatest Madden game. These sorts of comments will trickle over and keep the PS3 in those people's minds, which is all he really needs to do.

[TrackZero]

ROFL...somebody, please, for the love of God, go put a bullet in this guy.

Of course, without him, we would have nothing to scoff at Sony about.

Ol' Ken is panicked. Has anyone else noticed how shrill he's sounding about ANYTHING that involves the X360?

Ken's running scared, and every comment he makes like this in an article just makes him look worse in my book.

[Kagger]

I'd love to be able to own all 3 next gen systems, but 360 is out ot the picture.

My gaming TV, my personal one, is around 26 inches. We have one HDTV Widescreen TV, it was my parents anniversary gift, and my dad waited 2 years to get it (not two years of marriage, 2 years of wanting one). I've probably played my ps2 on there a grand total of 2 times, both on Christmas mornings. I'm sure it will look pretty, but eh.

AspectVoid, I know just what you are talking about. I was hanging out with some guys from church, and they were saying how Madden is the greatest game.

[MosBen]

SNES wasn't backwards compatible and I seem to remember game being released for the NES plenty after the SNES' release.

[bobbler]

Ken's running scared, and every comment he makes like this in an article just makes him look worse in my book.

What comment are you talking about?

Seriously, I'm really wondering what interview you guys read, because the one I read was far from an attack.

[Dirty Harry]

what you people afriad that ken is lying to you and when you buy your ps3 its going to be able to play Pong and Tankwars?. I for one support him anyways because he hasnt disappointed me in the past. (does that mean he is doing a good job or does that mean im hard to disappoint?)

[AversionFX]

Buying any console simply because it's more powerful is retarded. I'm buying a PS3 because of MGS4.

And seriously, what's with everyone being an asshole to each other? Gosh, get over yourselves.

[Dirty Harry]

I made me laugh that its now sony that is the heartless corp trying to get all your money because they are only interested in pumping out gta's and maddens. Inst Microsoft guilty of this?, i remeber when the xbox first came out and all of microsofts pathetic attempts at games. Everyone of them bombed hard so they stopped trying to compete with the bigger studios ala EA.

[01010]

That so many of you would put complete faith or attach yourself to megacorps that are just after your wallet disturbs me. Go where the games are, not which company makes you feel special. That means waiting to see which games are good, not just following a franchise either.

One other thing on Sony V MS. Both parties are guilty of using cheap and nasty equipment on their consoles (MS had the Thompson DVD drive, I know Sony have an assload of DRE's) so it's not like either of them are 100% rock solid and reliable either.

[Teddeh]

"Hey! Don't diss MGS."

Aw, shame. I was just about to bemoan that;

I spent more time trying to skip boring cutscenes than actually playing.
The plot was complete nonsense - more twists than a corkscrew, but none of them actually interesting.
The bad guys were about as menacing as Ronald McDonald but not as well thought out.
They managed to demo a game at E3 everyone drooled over but that wasn't the game people actually bought.

I was also going to say that Splinter Cell absolutely demolishes MGS for anyone who isn't a foaming at the mouth anti-MS fanboy.

But you said I can't. Ah, well...

Back on topic - Kutaragi needs to shut up, or he'll end up just marginalising himself. All his comments are just childish jabs at MS and the XBox. He'd blow a gasket if MS called PS3 the "PS2.2", "HypeStation" or "Pre-rendered movie player, just like PS2 was." Of course, he doesn't mind stooping to name calling to try and paper the cracks in PS3, such as it's going to be on shelves a long time after X360. I know PS2 managed to beat Dreamcast (despite Dreamcast being the better console, eg. Wacky Races on DC was amazing, on PS2 was a turkey), but Dreamcast didn't have XBox Live or MS's billions behind it.

[Heretic Machine]

All I know is that I own all three of the current gen consoles, and the PS2 hasn't been turned on in months. The XBOX and Gamecube both recieve fairly regular use, though not nearly as much as my PC. I expect similar results in the next generation, even though I think the "Revolution" is probably bullshit, the games will probably still be pretty good.

[Kagger]

Funny, I loved MGS2 (I knew about Raiden though). the story made sense, the gameplay was a blast...and it was all around great

[Vandenh]

> the story made sense

You are also an Evangelion fan aren't you?

[bapenguin]

Hmm...Ken seems like a good guy. I'll think I'll invite him over my house for a nice dinner of shut the fuck up.

[Furious Wang]

I'd love to be able to own all 3 next gen systems, but 360 is out ot the picture.

My gaming TV, my personal one, is around 26 inches. We have one HDTV Widescreen TV, it was my parents anniversary gift, and my dad waited 2 years to get it (not two years of marriage, 2 years of wanting one). I've probably played my ps2 on there a grand total of 2 times, both on Christmas mornings. I'm sure it will look pretty, but eh.

AspectVoid, I know just what you are talking about. I was hanging out with some guys from church, and they were saying how Madden is the greatest game.


Errr...You do realize that 360 will run on a regular television? HD isn't required, its only required for games to support it.

[Dirty Harry]

"Hey! Don't diss MGS."

Aw, shame. I was just about to bemoan that;

I spent more time trying to skip boring cutscenes than actually playing.
The plot was complete nonsense - more twists than a corkscrew, but none of them actually interesting.
The bad guys were about as menacing as Ronald McDonald but not as well thought out.
They managed to demo a game at E3 everyone drooled over but that wasn't the game people actually bought.

I was also going to say that Splinter Cell absolutely demolishes MGS for anyone who isn't a foaming at the mouth anti-MS fanboy.

But you said I can't. Ah, well...

Back on topic - Kutaragi needs to shut up, or he'll end up just marginalising himself. All his comments are just childish jabs at MS and the XBox. He'd blow a gasket if MS called PS3 the "PS2.2", "HypeStation" or "Pre-rendered movie player, just like PS2 was." Of course, he doesn't mind stooping to name calling to try and paper the cracks in PS3, such as it's going to be on shelves a long time after X360. I know PS2 managed to beat Dreamcast (despite Dreamcast being the better console, eg. Wacky Races on DC was amazing, on PS2 was a turkey), but Dreamcast didn't have XBox Live or MS's billions behind it.
Then your obviously not the type of gamer that he was aiming for then, why not just turn the game off and play something else or go outside even. The way i look at it is that the mgs series a well polished game that appeals to a certain sect. of gamers. I find madden games to be completely crappy and i just want to stop playing them/

[Furious Wang]

Yeah. His "explaination" was very detailed.

Speaking with Japanese website Impress PC Watch, the "father of the PlayStation" explained that while the PS3 is capable of emulating the PSone and PS2 through software alone, Sony will actually be using a combination of hardware and software to offer a more complete backwards compatibility solution.

"It will be done through a combination of hardware and software. We can do it with software alone, but it's important to make it as close to perfect as possible," said Kuntaragi.

Anyone else find the exact repitition hilarious?

And why is this news? Anyone could have guessed it. Kuntaragi actually spends more time trashing 360 than talking about the PS3.

The funny thing is, the PS2 wasn't completely 100 percent compatible with PS1 games. Also notice that nowhere in the article does Kuntaragi claim that the PS3 will be 100 percent either.

"As close to perfect as possible" isn't 100 percent. I'm fairly sure "As close to perfect as possible" is the same level of compatibility Microsoft is reaching for.

It kinda reminds me how when Republicans are really afraid of a Democrat, they'll talk trash about them all day long on Hannity and Limbaugh. Sony must be scared shitless.

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/8608/kutara33ao.jpg

[Kefkataran]

You know what, I think this is all an elaborate plan by Kutaragi to get revenge on Sony for giving him the shaft. He's been brushed to the wayside to make room for new movers and shakers, now he's stuck in a "consultant" position with little or no imput.

Now he's just goint to go on and on, there's no stopping him. To the bosses it looks like he's giving it %110 but he's just going to make wilder and wilder claims. When the 360 ships, he's going to go to individual stores and smash the displays. He'll spit on passers-by who have GBAs. His final address will just be him jerking off in front of a live world-wide launch screaming "PS3 POWERS MY BAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSSSS!"
He'll stalk customers, sneak into their homes and be caught licking their consoles. Eventually people will be paralysed with fear at even the thought of buying one.

Meanwhile, as the company suffers terrible redundancies, Ken will take his golden handshake and move off to France to become some kind of new-wave baguette farmer.

This gentlemen win 100%.

Also: I'm an MGS fan. And I prefer it over Splinter Cell. And I'm not an anti-MS fanboy. What does being an anti-MS fanboy have to do with Splinter Cell which is out on all the consoles and PC? I just prefer the complex stories of MSG. You say they're nonsensical, but the truth is that they're just extremely intricate and well-crafted. I honestly didn't completely understand MGS2 until my second or third time through, but I did fully understand it. Is that for everyone? Not at all. But appreciating it certainly doesn't make you a moron.

[RandomViolence]

Edit: Missed the part about X360's graphics not being 'real.' Defense retracted. Kutaragi can suck my balls.

I just prefer the complex stories of MSG.
I also find enjoyment in MSG's subtle flavors. :D

[Kamalot]

I find this this best portion of the article...

Prior to PS3, real-time rendered 3D graphics might have looked real, but they weren't actually calculated in a fully 3D environment. But that was OK for screen resolutions up until now. Even as of the current time, most of the games for the Xbox 360 use that kind of 3D. However, we want to realize fully calculated 3D graphics in fully 3D environments. In order to do that, we need to share the data between the CPU and GPU as much as possible. That's why we adopted this architecture. We want to make all the floating-point calculations including their rounded numbers the same, and we've been able to make it almost identical. So as a result, the CPU and GPU can use their calculated figures bidirectionally.

So, before the PS3 we were only getting fake 3D graphics, even if they looked real. Now, since the CPU and GPU can share rounded numbers that almost match, we can have real 3D! Even if your graphics look real, if they aren't rendered on the PS3, they aren't calculated in a fully 3D environment. Sony's 3D graphics are really-real, so real in fact, that the Cell processor actually builds little models in the PS3 and films the action with a tiny camera all using micro-robotic arms!

Don't be fooled by imitations!

This dude is on crack.

[TrackZero]

What comment are you talking about?

Seriously, I'm really wondering what interview you guys read, because the one I read was far from an attack.

Oh, I don't know, maybe the comment that the new post was based on:

"....The only way to avoid that is to support 100 percent compatibility from its [Xbox 360's] launch date, but Microsoft won't be able to commit to that...."

[TrackZero]

Then your obviously not the type of gamer that he was aiming for then, why not just turn the game off and play something else or go outside even. The way i look at it is that the mgs series a well polished game that appeals to a certain sect. of gamers. I find madden games to be completely crappy and i just want to stop playing them/

Agreed. I'm not even a fan of MGS, but I can appreciate that they're a great game series that's just not my style. I still managed to even have fun playing through MGS: TTS just for the cutscenes/story sequences.

[Rommel]

I thought Halo 2's story was fine, but the presentation was poor. Cut scenes and in character relevations felt rushed. Seemed like the characters had a much better understanding of things and were fine with rushing to the next objective long before I was informed. having read the Halo books I understand things fairly well, but I felt there was a lack of wonder by the cast that was present in the first game.

[netcraazzy]

The reason I don't like Ol Ken is because he makes mountains out of molehills. That may be his job but it's still a pile of shit. What's that Kenny boy? You say the PS3 is MORE backwards compatible than the 360? Well bend me over and call me Sally that sure is news to me! You say your videogames are really real for real but the 360 is fake real? Must be all those phenomenon inside the PS3, let me guess, 360 does not have phenomenon inside huh? It all makes sense now!

[Reanimated]

I find this this best portion of the article...



So, before the PS3 we were only getting fake 3D graphics, even if they looked real. Now, since the CPU and GPU can share rounded numbers that almost match, we can have real 3D! Even if your graphics look real, if they aren't rendered on the PS3, they aren't calculated in a fully 3D environment. Sony's 3D graphics are really-real, so real in fact, that the Cell processor actually builds little models in the PS3 and films the action with a tiny camera all using micro-robotic arms!

Don't be fooled by imitations!

This dude is on crack.





lol

Don't forget that it's also creating emotion and jacking you into the Matrix!!

[Kamalot]

I wonder how backwards compatible the PS3 will be compared to the Revolution, which can play more than 20 years of Nintendo console titles.

[Royal Fool]

You know what, I think this is all an elaborate plan by Kutaragi to get revenge on Sony for giving him the shaft. He's been brushed to the wayside to make room for new movers and shakers, now he's stuck in a "consultant" position with little or no imput.

Now he's just goint to go on and on, there's no stopping him. To the bosses it looks like he's giving it %110 but he's just going to make wilder and wilder claims. When the 360 ships, he's going to go to individual stores and smash the displays. He'll spit on passers-by who have GBAs. His final address will just be him jerking off in front of a live world-wide launch screaming "PS3 POWERS MY BAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSSSS!"
He'll stalk customers, sneak into their homes and be caught licking their consoles. Eventually people will be paralysed with fear at even the thought of buying one.

Meanwhile, as the company suffers terrible redundancies, Ken will take his golden handshake and move off to France to become some kind of new-wave baguette farmer.

That's the funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks.

[Carnifex]

His final address will just be him jerking off in front of a live world-wide launch screaming "PS3 POWERS MY BAAAAAAALLLLLLSSSSSSS!"
Of course it is, by then Cell will power everything, and we'll be ruled by a collective Cell consciousness.

That post brought tears (from laughing) to my eyes. It gets a standing ovation! :D

[Zanzibar]

So, before the PS3 we were only getting fake 3D graphics, even if they looked real. Now, since the CPU and GPU can share rounded numbers that almost match, we can have real 3D! Even if your graphics look real, if they aren't rendered on the PS3, they aren't calculated in a fully 3D environment. Sony's 3D graphics are really-real, so real in fact, that the Cell processor actually builds little models in the PS3 and films the action with a tiny camera all using micro-robotic arms!

Don't be fooled by imitations!

Quote of the Day.

[H.Bogard]

Hey! Don't diss MGS. I'll shoot you in the crotch. :eek:

only to find his body floating down a river completely nude?

hey my first post ! :D

[Achilles]

You are also an Evangelion fan aren't you?Hey there Evangelion’s story made perfect sense you just had to watch very closely.
SPOILERS! (but if you haven't seen it by now when will you?)
For example if you missed the fact that no new children were being born, which was on like one background radio program in one of the scenes you’d have no idea why man would try to unseat god and make themselves immortal. It also helps to have someone around who studied the dead sea scrolls. With MGS2 the closer you watched the less sense the story made. I honestly didn't completely understand MGS2 until my second or third time through, but I did fully understand it.You do? I’ve had some questions ever since I’ve finished that game, maybe you can solve them: SPOILERS (for a 3 year old game). They established that the Patriots were a self-sentient AI formed from the information that ran through the White House. However at the end they say they found the patriots bodies buried under the (I believe it was) the statue of liberty and they were over 100 years old. What’s up with that? They also establish that Project Raiden was an experiment to see if they could eliminate armies by brainwashing regular chumps into super soldiers by controlling the information they receive. However they also point out that Raiden was raised on the battlefields of Afghanistan or some place and is the son of one of the most powerful super-soldiers. So how is that experiment a success if the subject was so obviously not of average stock? Why was Raiden's father the only person in that game who I had to kill, even though he was the only one that I didn't want to kill because he was going to free humanity from enslavement by the Patriots? Also what the heck was the Lalilulelo?

I’ll also point out again that MGS is not owned by Sony, it could easily come out for whatever system it wants. Sony paying/asking them to make a CG demo for their press conference doesn’t make it an exclusive.

I’d like to thank Kutaragi for inspiring the really hilarious posts in this thread from Kamalot and KamaItachi.

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I'm often amazed at the fanboism on this forums. I'm also amazed that a mostly computer literate group of people can like sony OR microsoft. I'm not saying nintendo is the answer, but they are the only system that didn't seem to have defaults such as the dvd drive. Of course, what do I know, I play games on the PC! Heaven forfend!

oh yeah, on Splinter Cell vs. Metal Gear Solid: MGS has a very japanese storyline(obviously), don't like anime? don't even bother. Splinter Cell? think alias... don't like Jeniffer Garner? Well you can... uhm, I need some help here....

[Kefkataran]

You do? I’ve had some questions ever since I’ve finished that game, maybe you can solve them: SPOILERS (for a 3 year old game). They established that the Patriots were a self-sentient AI formed from the information that ran through the White House. However at the end they say they found the patriots bodies buried under the (I believe it was) the statue of liberty and they were over 100 years old. What’s up with that? They also establish that Project Raiden was an experiment to see if they could eliminate armies by brainwashing regular chumps into super soldiers by controlling the information they receive. However they also point out that Raiden was raised on the battlefields of Afghanistan or some place and is the son of one of the most powerful super-soldiers. So how is that experiment a success if the subject was so obviously not of average stock? Why was Raiden's father the only person in that game who I had to kill, even though he was the only one that I didn't want to kill because he was going to free humanity from enslavement by the Patriots? Also what the heck was the Lalilulelo?

1. The Patriots are actually a group of people. The AI was developed by them. you probably noticed that a large portion of what the AI said to Raiden made no sense. This is on purpose -- the AI was trying to mindfuck Raiden (and the player, in turn). Anyways, the Patriots are a real group of people, though.

2. Yes, at the end they discover that the list of Patriots they found is actually a list of twelve dead men. This is the shocking conclusion and remains mostly unanswered. The assumption, though, would be that the list was a fake one or a list of old Patriots put there to throw Snake and Otacon off their tracks.

3. The Patriots are meant to create a very grey zone in the question of morality in the game. In fact, upon playing through MGS3 you'll probably be questioning why you ever wanted Liquid Snake or Big Boss dead in the first place. As it is starting to turn out, almost all the major bosses from the games are simply seeking freedom from the Patriots. I'm very interested in seeing where Kojima takes this.

4. The Lalilulelo was just a special code name for the Patriots. Nothing big there.

I’ll also point out again that MGS is not owned by Sony, it could easily come out for whatever system it wants. Sony paying/asking them to make a CG demo for their press conference doesn’t make it an exclusive.

I'm willing to bet Kojima and gang will do the same as they've done with previous releases, the same GTA is doing -- exclusive to Playstation for about a year, then release a special edition for other consoles/PC. But still, Kojima's announcement that he was sticking with MGS as director and that MGS4 would come out for PS3 was probably one of my fave E3 moments.

oh yeah, on Splinter Cell vs. Metal Gear Solid: MGS has a very japanese storyline(obviously), don't like anime? don't even bother. Splinter Cell? think alias... don't like Jeniffer Garner? Well you can... uhm, I need some help here....

I actually hate anime, but I still love MGS's storyline. Kojima's just an insanely bright writer/director. There's something so literate about the storyline in the game. Then again, I've always kind of wanted to like anime. Just haven't been able to find one that I enjoy.

EDIT: Ugh. My posts always go off-topic because I keep picking up on minor stuff people are saying. Apologies to OP.

[GunnyMo]

Put up or shut up, I say. Just because the massive PS3 boomerang controller will return to you when you throw it in frustration at the "Blue-Ray Disc Read Error" doesn't mean he's going to have a better system. :)

[Furious Wang]

Hey there Evangelion’s story made perfect sense you just had to watch very closely.
SPOILERS! (but if you haven't seen it by now when will you?)
For example if you missed the fact that no new children were being born, which was on like one background radio program in one of the scenes you’d have no idea why man would try to unseat god and make themselves immortal. It also helps to have someone around who studied the dead sea scrolls. With MGS2 the closer you watched the less sense the story made. You do? I’ve had some questions ever since I’ve finished that game, maybe you can solve them: SPOILERS (for a 3 year old game). They established that the Patriots were a self-sentient AI formed from the information that ran through the White House. However at the end they say they found the patriots bodies buried under the (I believe it was) the statue of liberty and they were over 100 years old. What’s up with that? They also establish that Project Raiden was an experiment to see if they could eliminate armies by brainwashing regular chumps into super soldiers by controlling the information they receive. However they also point out that Raiden was raised on the battlefields of Afghanistan or some place and is the son of one of the most powerful super-soldiers. So how is that experiment a success if the subject was so obviously not of average stock? Why was Raiden's father the only person in that game who I had to kill, even though he was the only one that I didn't want to kill because he was going to free humanity from enslavement by the Patriots? Also what the heck was the Lalilulelo?

I’ll also point out again that MGS is not owned by Sony, it could easily come out for whatever system it wants. Sony paying/asking them to make a CG demo for their press conference doesn’t make it an exclusive.

I’d like to thank Kutaragi for inspiring the really hilarious posts in this thread from Kamalot and KamaItachi.

Man, Evangelion made *no* sense. Neither does the MGS storyline. There are explanations for what happens, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

I'm going to try and help you out with MGS2, though. You got some things way off.

The "Raiden Project" or S3, wasn't to disable armies. It was to create a Super Soldier like Snake out of a normal soldier. The Solid Snake Simulation. Even though Solidus Snake thought he actions went against the Patriots interests and he wanted to destroy them, in the end he was serving them unwittingly. Mainly because Revolver Ocelot was a Patriot agent who was there every step of the way. The project was to create a new super soldier for the Patriots to control but was ruined when the actual Snake arrived and helped Raiden along.

However, the S3 experiment was also called the "Selection for Societal Sanity". This is where the game starts mindfucking you and crossing over into reality by implying that the actual video game *you are playing* is part of a system of control and training for the mass populace to become soldiers. Hideo Kojima does a lot of drugs.

The Raiden and Solidus thing was sort of a "destined to be battle". Tragic but necessary. There really wasn't another way out for Solidus. He wanted to die at that point.

As far as the Patriots, well that's a little shady. Yeah, they were alive some 100 years ago and controlled the world via monetary manipulation. The thing is, Ocelot is the son of the Boss and the Sorrow from MGS3, making him a great soldier and giving him the ability to communicate with the dead. He takes their orders and follows them as he has been their servant since a child. He also still has a connection with the Boss, though, so he's not entirely malevolent. His link to the dead also allowed him to be possessed by Liquid's spirit. Whether this was foreseen and planned by the Patriots is unknown. The Patriot's spirits have also been "translated" over into a selfaware AI program with Ocelots help so they can have a more direct control of world events. The LaLiLuLeLo term refers to the ghosts of the Patriots.

And that's about it.

[Achilles]

Wow Kefkataran and Furious Wang, thanks for answering those questions. Given all the gibberish they were apparently throwing at me it’s no wonder that I had no idea what they were talking about. But yeah, all that stuff makes sense, time to muddle my way through the 3rd one. Really interesting thing about Ocelot communicating with the Patriot’s ghosts and creating the AI. That really brings things together, too bad they had to split that up into two games, I think they lost a lot of people.

My one request for MGS4 is that if they do more outdoor environments like they had in MGS3, that they come up with a new camera system. It would also be nice if they revised their environmental interactions so you don’t accidentally get stuck on a tree while you’re walking around or lay down when you meant to crouch, or shoot when you meant to let your finger off the trigger, ect. The controls on that game are really overloaded.

About Evangelion, it made sense to me anyway, if you’ve got questions on it I’ll try to answer them.

[bobbler]

Oh, I don't know, maybe the comment that the new post was based on:

"....The only way to avoid that is to support 100 percent compatibility from its [Xbox 360's] launch date, but Microsoft won't be able to commit to that...."


That is an attack?

You have got to be kidding me.

You also cherry picked half a sentence out of the middle. He said the Xbox 1 was going to die (because Microsoft is stopping production) and the only way to keep it from totally dying is to make Xbox360 totally backwards compatible (which would be 'technically difficult' for MS, who has publically stated only the most popular titles will be supported -- because of the fact that it is 'technically difficult').

If you guys want to take him telling us what MS told us as an attack, feel free. In the English langauge, however, those words do not form an attack.

[mulligan]

>Hey! Don't diss MGS. I'll shoot you in the crotch.

Only if you promise to cut your mullet first! :rolleyes:

Halo 2 is the game I have played the most in my life online (not including MMORPGs). I guess that says enough about the quality. Online games don't get any better than this on consoles.


So the fact that YOU.. a fucking nobody, "played it" more than any other game makes it "better?" give me fucking brake asshole...

[Phades]

So the fact that YOU.. a fucking nobody, "played it" more than any other game makes it "better?" give me fucking brake asshole...

Maybe it makes it better to him? I didn't see where he said that everyone else had to feel the same. But then, I know lowering yourself to namecalling and using foul language is the most effective way to win an argument.

I also enjoyed Halo and Halo 2 more. But I love FPS games. However, I think the better comparison is of course Splinter Cell which I think easily bests any game in the MGS series.

Oddly enough, I'm willing to accept that others might feel differently and can live with that.

[mulligan]

Maybe it makes it better to him? I didn't see where he said that everyone else had to feel the same. But then, I know lowering yourself to namecalling and using foul language is the most effective way to win an argument.

I also enjoyed Halo and Halo 2 more. But I love FPS games. However, I think the better comparison is of course Splinter Cell which I think easily bests any game in the MGS series.

Oddly enough, I'm willing to accept that others might feel differently and can live with that.


sometimes i take things too personal, and yeah that name-calling was uncalled for, but i still stand behind my opinion.

[TrackZero]

That is an attack?

You have got to be kidding me.

You also cherry picked half a sentence out of the middle. He said the Xbox 1 was going to die (because Microsoft is stopping production) and the only way to keep it from totally dying is to make Xbox360 totally backwards compatible (which would be 'technically difficult' for MS, who has publically stated only the most popular titles will be supported -- because of the fact that it is 'technically difficult').

If you guys want to take him telling us what MS told us as an attack, feel free. In the English langauge, however, those words do not form an attack.

I didn't mean to "Cherry Pick", I pulled out the part of what he said that I found angering to me. If you want to debate over the definition of "attack" we can spend all day on it. Either way I call it a cheap shot, which again, like I said, does not help me respect the man. This is only one of many comments in the last few weeks.

Though has been pointed out, Ken's got lots of free time for interviews lately, so this is all he's probably got to do for shits and giggles.

[mister_slim]

It's like a mobius thread. This is really the thread from E3, isn't it?

[Teddeh]

I'm often amazed at the fanboism on this forums. I'm also amazed that a mostly computer literate group of people can like sony OR microsoft.

I don't know about liking MS or Sony, but I can certainly appreciate what they've done.

Without Sony, console gaming wouldn't be half the market it is. PlayStation was the right product, at the right time, marketed the right way. Gaming became socially acceptable because of it. Personal audio wouldn't exist in its current form without Walkman.

Without MS, would we all be on this forum? I do not agree with all their business practices, but I do believe Microsoft have been a good thing for computing.

[bobbler]

I don't know about liking MS or Sony, but I can certainly appreciate what they've done.

Without Sony, console gaming wouldn't be half the market it is. PlayStation was the right product, at the right time, marketed the right way. Gaming became socially acceptable because of it. Personal audio wouldn't exist in its current form without Walkman.

Without MS, would we all be on this forum? I do not agree with all their business practices, but I do believe Microsoft have been a good thing for computing.

Heh.

It always makes me smile when I see little news snippets on websites that say "Microsoft 10 more sues spammers", etc.

Microsoft does a lot of good, that goes unnoticed, for the computer world. They are one of the few companies with the resources to smother the bad things.

All this talk about big heartless corporations reminds me of something. Everyone thank Walmart. If it weren't for Walmart, the RIAA would be charging us a lot more than they already are. Even the RIAA doesn't fuck with Walmart.

[H.Bogard]

good bye pc gaming :(

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good bye pc gaming :(
tis my fear also