Xbox 360 "Going After" the PlayStation 2

[Oddmaker]

In a new interview with Japanese news site, Impress PC Watch, Ken Kutaragi once again took a swipe at the Xbox 360 by saying that Microsoft is "going after" the PS2 (not the PS3) with the Xbox 360.
"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly it is going after the PlayStation. However, they are not going after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. We are in the middle of developing PS3, so they have no idea what PS3 will be. They just looked at PS2, so the Xbox 360 became what it is.", said Kutaragi. Grab the Full Story Here (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8474/Kutaragi-Xbox-360-is-Going-After-the-PlayStation-2/).

[Mac]

Whew, the balls on this guy...I guess he's certainly good at getting the Xbox community riled up, huh? For his sake, I really do hope the PS3 can back up all his claims of grandeur and majesty.

[XenonCJ]

That's funny, isn't the current XBox superior to the PS2 hardware wise already?

[Tyrant]

Translation: Microsoft is stinky and dumb.

[thFOOL]

Images not allowed.

Nice. so why are they enabled in the wysiwig, then?

And never mind the fact that it says that NOWHERE on the site.

[XenonCJ]

In reality, the PS3 will be going after the XBox360, simply because the 360 is comming out before the PS3.

[bapenguin]

Ken Kutaragi is going after his mom! LOL! ROFL! sux0r!!!!!!11111

[crashedout]

Maybe he should just be quiet and render some more movies, I want to see how that Killzone battle comes out.

[Kefkataran]

Ken Kutaragi is going after his mom! LOL! ROFL! sux0r!!!!!!11111

lol 4 reelz good 1 mang!!!1

[fitbabits]

Kutaragi has proven time and time again that he is a numpty of the highest order. He’s forever over-reaching in his statements (to put it mildly). Two questions come to mind:

1. Does he really believe the shite that runs out of his mouth?
2. Where can I get some of the drugs he’s obviously ingesting in copious amounts?

[Hellstorm]

HAhahaha. Ken is the man. Setting up the 360 to get Dreamcasted. If anyone can do it, Sony can.

[snubber]

That's funny, isn't the current XBox superior to the PS2 hardware wise already?

That's just what I was thinking.

[Mrbunchypants]

Huh :confused:

well..... just huh :confused:

learn something new everyday. huh :confused:

Thats just odd. :confused:

[riposte101]

The PS3 won't even come with a standard Hard Drive. This guy needs to shut the hell up. He's just pissed because he got passed over for the CEO of Sony.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=5665

[if76]

Didn't Sony already release most of the PS3 specs? And weren't they about even with X360?

[Deadend]

Well, neither system seems to have real specs, though, X360's are a bit closer to being real, as they at least have a prototype, while PS3 specs are "Well. this is what we would like, mostly because there are more numbers than MS's"

Ken is a dickhead. Simple as that. I also think I want to see J. Allred and him in a deathmatch... the winner will have my $300.

[Borys]

Just take him, Allard and Molyneux and put'em in a WWF cage match.

[Evil Avatar]

For $300.00 a system, just buy both and STFU. The "Console War" was fun when Microsoft was just trying to break into an industry dominated by Sony and Nintendo, but now that Nintendo is a niche system and Sony and Microsoft's next systems are about neck-and-neck for hardware and features, just buy both and be happy.

That is my plan.

And if you still love Nintendo, buy the Revolution and get charged $29.99 each for downloads of old NES/SNES games. Viva La Revolution!

[AspectVoid]

Looking from a market standpoint, Ken is exactly right, people. What Microsoft wants to do for the next generation sales wise is emulate the PS2. They want their system to come out early enough that they get a good install base before the competition releases it's systems, there by drawing developers farther into their camp, and allowing Microsoft to develope a 3 to 1 ratio in console sales.

The risk, however, is that the XB360 basically pulls a Dreamcast, coming out too early and having most people wait for the next Sony system rather then buy the XB360, reducing install base, etc etc. What's amusing, I think, is that the last system to make its debute on MTV was the Dreamcast. Go figure.

[Kefkataran]

EA, if Nintendo seriously charges anything more than $10.00 for NES or SNES games on the Revolution, I shall eat my words and enjoy it. Until then, I think you need to consider your own mantra of 'STFU' pretty seriously.

That said: I'm planning to buy a PS3 and Revolution. Possibly a 360, but probably not because my housemate is likely getting one.

[outontheporch]

xbox sucks; and im sure 360 will too

[Lagrius]

Wow, what an informative and well thought out post outontheporch, guess you had to add the last part just to make it past the short post filter.

[VoodooKarma]

The chances of XBox 360 pulling a 'Dreamcast' are about nil. The hardcore set are going to buy a Xbox 360 for games like Oblivion while the 'casual' gamers will buy it for, and I hate to say it, the new Madden. I think the biggest problem out of the gate for the Dreamcast was that instead of Madden, they had the superior NFL2K which, at that time, no one knew squat about. The casual gamers saw no Madden and just waited for the PS2 to come out so they could buy their beloved Madden game. Never underestimate the power of football games when it comes to selling new systems in the US. As usual, I will buy all the new systems because I am a junkie but I have no doubt the Xbox 360 will be a success in the US, but I am curious to see how it does in Japan.

[Adam Blue]

xbox sucks; and im sure 360 will too

Ah shit. The GameFaqs boards bullshit just got too much and flodded over here.

[VoodooKarma]

Ah shit. The GameFaqs boards bullshit just got too much and flooded over here.

hahaha...what he said.

[outontheporch]

Ah shit. The GameFaqs boards bullshit just got too much and flodded over here.

i just flodded my pants

[Reanimated]

lol, silly japs and their penis compensating.

Ken should probably spend less time coming up with these worthless quips and more time worrying about why he got demoted.

[outontheporch]

Congrats on the self-ownage.

The way to remedy this situation is to actually make a complete thought or opinion that has some sort of fact or news worthy info in it, and then type it with your stubby fingers. Come back when you develop an independant thought.

my fingers arent stubby :(

[Kelegacy]

I'm waiting. I didnt wait for the Dreamcast, though. I wont purchase an X360 out of the gate. I'm waiting for the PS3 and Revolution. I'm just not ready to upgrade yet.

Also, I think it's funny when Ken describes the X360 as Xbox 1.5 He's got a nice wicked sense of humor.

And i agree that the 360 WILL be competing with the PS2...and will lose for the first couple months. THe PS2 is as solid a seller as you can get. No way MS will be able to leapfrog over Sony that quickly. Not by a longshot. Good graphics or no.

[Chandler]

the dreamcast looked like it went after the PSX and n64 .....and sega was all like "no man we're going after PS2 xbox and gamecube!" lol, that turned out great in the end =(

[51|RandoM]

Hype4tehwin. :-)

I'll probably end up with a revolution and a ps3. I'll just wait for the pc ports of the few xb360 games that interest me.

[Oddmaker]

I just want one console and atm i love my xbox, so i'll prolly go for a xb360... Then again sony hasnt really showed us anything what the ps3 can do yet (gamewise)

[GunnyMo]

For $300.00 a system, just buy both and STFU. The "Console War" was fun when Microsoft was just trying to break into an industry dominated by Sony and Nintendo, but now that Nintendo is a niche system and Sony and Microsoft's next systems are about neck-and-neck for hardware and features, just buy both and be happy.

I couldn't have said it better. Besides, we all know the PS3 will be "disc read error" ready right out of the box. :D

[Zanzibar]

Didn't Sony already release most of the PS3 specs? And weren't they about even with X360?

Not really. About an hour after the X360 specs were released, Ken grabbed them and added a magic Tflop of performance and retitled it 'PS3 specs.'

Seriously, they had target numbers that came out of their collective asses, but you can damned well be sure that they cooked those numbers to show up the X360.

All part of their plan. They need the gamers to hold out from buying the X360.

HD-DVD drives - anyone have any idea how much those are going for currently?

[Evil Avatar]

I couldn't have said it better. Besides, we all know the PS3 will be "disc read error" ready right out of the box. :D

LOL. No doubt. I lost two systems to that problem. Sadly, I lost two Xbox systems to the same problem.

[netcraazzy]

All part of their plan. They need the gamers to hold out from buying the X360.


Too late, just preordered mine on my lunch break today.

[MrTA]

Uhm, guys don't you forget something here? It's all about the money and guess what? Microsoft has loads of more cash then Sony does. You see the proof of that in how much they spend on Xbox, and now will spend on Xbox 360. So, there is no chance that MS will do a SEGA simply becuase they will continue to spend loads of cash on this machine, the next one, and the one after that and so on. I mean, what else do they have to spend cash on theese days anyways? It's just a matter of time before MS will come out on top of Sony, and you know where you read it first!!

[Evil Avatar]

You can't really compare the Dreamcast launch to the X360 launch. Gamers didn't buy the Dreamcast because Sega didn't have the marketing money to push the system. It had better graphics than the N64 and the PSOne and the PS2 was no where to be found, but when you went into a store the Dreamcast section was 1/4 the size of the N64 or PSOne sections.

There was no way Sega's system could survive without shelf space and when they didn't have the shelf space, Electronic Arts abandoned the platform (taking other 3rd party developers with them).

Microsoft doesn't have that problem. The Xbox section of most stores is as large or larger than the Playstation 2 section and Microsoft has marketing muscle and marketing money out the Wazoo. (You didn't see the Playstation 2 debute on MTV2 did you?)

The Playstation 2 brand name is still significantly larger in the mind of consumers than the Xbox, so I fully expect the Playstation 3 to outsell the Xbox 360, but you won't see the X360 just die off the way the Dreamcast did. They will continue to be #2 and with almost a 12 month lead on the PS3, it will be a close second.

[fushi]

Uhm, guys don't you forget something here? It's all about the money and guess what? Microsoft has loads of more cash then Sony does. You see the proof of that in how much they spend on Xbox, and now will spend on Xbox 360. So, there is no chance that MS will do a SEGA simply becuase they will continue to spend loads of cash on this machine, the next one, and the one after that and so on. I mean, what else do they have to spend cash on theese days anyways? It's just a matter of time before MS will come out on top of Sony, and you know where you read it first!!
Err... I don't think that's what most people here actually mean by comparing the console to the dreamcast or MS to SEGA (did anyone make that comparison at all?). They are more concerned about the (too) early launch, but it's pretty obvious that the 360 won't do as badly as the Dreamcast for a variety of reasons, some stated by Evil just now.

[Bumbuliuz]

The smacktalk on the Sony Team is amazing. They are so far off mass production. And they keep talcking smack to MS. At least Microsoft is launching 360 in Europe and America around the same time. I have had enough of beeing punished by Sony for living in EU. Even though we are 2nd largeest user base of Ps2.

[Kelegacy]

Hype4tehwin. :-)

I'll probably end up with a revolution and a ps3. I'll just wait for the pc ports of the few xb360 games that interest me.

I agree. I'll play oblivion on my PC probably, teh same with Gears of War. BUT, if my computer does show signs of desperately needing upgrading, it'd be cheaper to buy an Xbox. Until graphics cards start to get cheaper (and they wont) i think i might be moving more towards console gaming again....it's been about 6 years since the consoles really drew the majority of my attention, but it's destined to happen again. Upgrading will cost the same as all 3 systems combined, probably. Grrr

[Zanzibar]

Sega took a massive risk, basically put their future on the line, and Sony simply outmuscled them with the hype campaign. Sega could not afford the costs incurred by the Dreamcast, and they basically folded up shop because they couldn't compete with Sony's bags of money.

Microsoft makes enough money that they can drop $8bil into any project at any time and STILL not blow their Wall Street estimates. MS now knows the pitfalls to avoid - and they owe Sega a big 'Thank You' for being the guinea pig.

If anything, MS is going to force Sony into banking their future on the success of the PS3.

[KNOTE]

LOL YAH XBOX1.5 WON'T AGE YOUR VEEDEEOZ like fine wine SUX IT!

He's full of shit again, but damn is he funny. And Microsoft has no balls. I don't see them flinging any poo back over the wall that can stick.

I wish he had said "an imaginary friend told me our hardware is like ps 9 billion because it's so powerful it will explode you into pieces" or something like that.

My rambling is done, this guy seriously wigs my brain out.

[Pumped'Up]

haha xbox fanboiz...your weenie-pump (360) is size SMALL.

[Zanzibar]

haha xbox fanboiz...your weenie-pump (360) is size SMALL.

Hey Evil, whatever happened to the 'Troll' tags?

[Deadend]

haha xbox fanboiz...your weenie-pump (360) is size SMALL.

Your name makes it funny.

I also don't think many of us are MS fanboys so much as we are pissed at Sony for making shit up and calling it Killzone 2. Ken Katurgi (or whatever his name is) pulled this hype crap back in '00 and look at things today.. same story, new numbers.

Please don't listen to them AGAIN.

[Hellstorm]

For $300.00 a system, just buy both and STFU. The "Console War" was fun when Microsoft was just trying to break into an industry dominated by Sony and Nintendo, but now that Nintendo is a niche system and Sony and Microsoft's next systems are about neck-and-neck for hardware and features, just buy both and be happy.

That is my plan.

And if you still love Nintendo, buy the Revolution and get charged $29.99 each for downloads of old NES/SNES games. Viva La Revolution!

Based on your prediction for the DS, I think Nintendo is going to surprise everyone.

Whoever would have thought a system that has no features that gamers want is beating the crap out of the PSP, which has everything and the kitchen sink in it. :D

[GrinR]

To this day, the PS2 graphics are shit. They were shit when the PS2 was launched, and almost nothing has changed. I remember getting my dev box and laughing at how much better the dreamcast was, in almost every way, to the PS2. The Xbox was worlds ahead of PS2 when it launched, and is still worlds ahead now.

So what? People see "playstation" and their wallets pop out. Sure the gaming geekerati pick their sides (or whore to all, like me) but at the end of the day, sales talk - bullshit walks. Sony had the 'Playstation' branding to release a POS like the PS2 and still beat xbox in sales. To illustrate the point, if Sony had released the Xbox hardware and MS had released the PS2 hardware, how well would Xbox have done? Fuckall, that's how. Pixeliscous graphics, no unified internet play, no HD, AND the Microsoft name on it? It would have tanked to shit. Meanwhile the PS2 would have been the balls for teh win.

So now it's round 2, or 3, and we're having the same arguments. Does anyone in their right mind thing Xbox 360 stands a snowballs chance of beating the PS3 in sales? No. With backwards compatibility the PS3 beats the Xbox360 (even if it had FULL backwards compatability) in available titles by long, brutal, spikey-colored-hair covered miles - AND it's a 'playstation'. PS3 doesn't HAVE to be better than Xbox360 in tech-specs. It could be a PS2 with a new, fancy case and it would still sell like hotcakes... oh wait, that already happened.

Anyway, you get my point.

[Mac]

Does anyone in their right mind thing Xbox 360 stands a snowballs chance of beating the PS3 in sales? No.

Stranger things have happened, GrinR. I'm not saying it's going to happen or even likely, but I wouldn't rule it out before we even know what each console's respective library is going to look like. Remember, the PS2 had a little secret weapon (or cultural revolution in some people's minds) called "Grand Theft Auto" that helped it's sales.

[Pumped'Up]

If Microsoft redesigned and repackaged the Xbox into something tiny as the PStwo, they would have new sales and success. The shear size of the current xbox is unbelievably fugly. But as it is, Microsft is to stupid (evidence: 360 design) to pull something off like Sony.

[lowlevel]

I also don't think many of us are MS fanboys so much as we are pissed at Sony for making shit up and calling it Killzone 2. Ken Katurgi (or whatever his name is) pulled this hype crap back in '00 and look at things today.. same story, new numbers.

Please don't listen to them AGAIN.

Yeah, but the last time this happened, the game's name was The Bouncer. Same hype level, same promises, different title.

The sad thing is that there are people that bought into the hype machine last time, ignored the Dreamcast, and still believe that they weren't lied to. I wish the DC had lived to see cross-platform titles like Psychonauts and Prince of Persia hit it and have the 2K sports line fully mature. *sigh*

All of that said, I expect that I'll have an X360 this November, a PS3 when it retails for $299 or less and a Revolution when they realize that they can't sell 15 year old games to me for anything more than $2.00 per game for unlimited play. I love Nintendo, but for all of their talk of being a company that acts as a trendsetter, they rehash and spin-off the shit out of their classic series (GBA rereleases of NES games, LoZ, SMB, Metroid, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Massage Parlor, et al) and ignore gamers' wants, needs, and desires (online gameplay; LAN play is NOT enough).

[Pumped'Up]

Then again, Americans seem to be less focused on good design and more on fugly things i.e. Ford, GM, Chrysler...Xbox, etc.

[GrinR]

Mac, in many ways it doesn't matter. In the same way MS has a lock on the PC desktop, Sony has a lock on the console world. Not just the developers, who write for the PS2 despite that it's ten billion times harder to program for than the Xbox, but also the users who have invested tons of time and money becoming familiar with Playstation (X,O,[],/\).

What is PS2 up to now? 100 million installed base? That number only goes UP with PS3.

... AND Xbox360 won't even be backwards compatible (anything less than 98% or so means people won't risk it)

[Zanzibar]

Ken:
'...The messages of the Xbox 360 and PS3 differ clearly. Xbox 360 emphasized it is a game machine which is complete as a platform. PS3 emphasized the possibility of technology.'

Ol' Ken here seems to be dissing the X360 for being a gaming system. So why is his product still called 'Playstation'? Why not 'PossibilityOfTechnologyStation'? Or 'TechStation'?

[Mac]

Then again, Americans seem to be less focused on good design and more on fugly things i.e. Ford, GM, Chrysler...Xbox, etc.

You're simply talking out of your ass, right there.

GM is cutting 25,000 jobs next month because they're in their biggest financial crisis in the past decade.

Mercedes, a European company, now designs and leads the engineering teams on the majority of Daimler-Chrysler's new vehicles (Chrysler 300 has a Mercedes engine for christ's sake).

Toyota, a Japanese company, owns 13.4 percent of the US auto market, the world's biggest, and the CEO is currently terrified of Ford and GM possibly collapsing. Link Here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/06/08/toyota_us.reut/index.html)

What the hell are you talking about?

[thFOOL]

Xbox 360 not even backwards compatible? what? Funny, I hear from EVERYWHERE else it is going to be.

Oh, and not ALL PS1 games ARE compatible w/ PS2. In fact, not all of the early PS1 games were compatible with later models.

[Kelegacy]

To this day, the PS2 graphics are shit. They were shit when the PS2 was launched, and almost nothing has changed. I remember getting my dev box and laughing at how much better the dreamcast was, in almost every way, to the PS2. The Xbox was worlds ahead of PS2 when it launched, and is still worlds ahead now.


Graphics dont matter, do you not know that already? I bought a PS2 not because of the graphics, but because of the games. Square is great, but only released one phenomenal game I played (FFX) but the other companies released a gazillion of RPG's and Tactical RPG's...and the other genres received even more great games. I dont care about graphics. If you are a console gamer and care only about how pretty a game looks go BUY A FREAKING PC.

The PS2 library really does stand head and shoulders above the Xbox's, for me. But that's because I own a PC, too. Without a PC, maybe the Xbox would have been a little more important to me. But it's not. I played most of the best games that were on Xbox on my PC --even before I bought a 'box.

Games, games, games. Japan still releases great stuff, and it's the "do or die" factor for any console.

[Achilles]

We are in the middle of developing PS3, so they have no idea what PS3 will be. They just looked at PS2, so the Xbox 360 became what it is Actually they just made the best game system they could, they probably had no idea that Sony wasn’t making a game system; a computer for kids, they were making a media supercomputer! Man Kutaragi bugs me. Next month he’ll be announcing that the console war’s already over and PS3 won with their hit title Killzone.

Things that the 360 will include that the PS2 doesn't have: A fully functional internet service complete with an e-bay like system, friends lists, video conference and all of that. A hard drive. Wireless controllers. An Ethernet adaptor that you don't have to pay for. And significantly better graphics. I think Kutaragi is saying that the X360 is following the fictional PS2 that they talked about before it launched; the one that had all the stuff mentioned above and is probably alive and well in Ken's head.

But that's alright because the PS3 will allow the player to walk seamlessly from the real world to that of computer games, and to take a snap shot with a digital camera, infuse it with bytes of information and pull it apart into anything you want, all thanks to the PS3's hype-synthesizer.

[lowlevel]

What is PS2 up to now? 100 million installed base? That number only goes UP with PS3.

... AND Xbox360 won't even be backwards compatible (anything less than 98% or so means people won't risk it)
I certainly agree with the fact it would be a mistake to have less than 98% BC on the XB360 (especially in light of the alleged ceased production of the original Xbox sometime this year). One of the biggest things (beyond DVD movie playback out of the box) that Sony did right in their transition from the PSX to the PS2 was to keep a high-level of compatibilty and encourage publishers to not only put out product for the PS2, but to continue to foster the PSX user-base. Sony drastically reduced their fees to produce software (do I remember correctly that they actually became ZERO-cost?) for the PSX once the PS2 hit the market, meaning PSX useres weren't left high and dry. Those who couldn't afford to move up to the PS2 still had options and were allowed to move on to Sony's next platform on their own terms.

It doesn't sound like the Xbox to X360 transition will be nearly as smooth.

[GrinR]

"Graphics dont matter, do you not know that already? I bought a PS2 not because of the graphics, but because of the games."

That was mostly my point, the other being the staggering error of ignoring BC.

[Mojopin]

lol, silly japs and their penis compensating.

Guess you call black people niggers eh? I'm assuming your an educated person so you should know that calling someone who is japanese a jap is similar to calling a negro a nigger... so I guess that makes you either a racist or a clueless moron?

[GrinR]

Mojopin: Eeease down Ripley, eeeease down. We've broken the transaxle, you're just grinding metal. Come on, eease down.

[Kelegacy]

"Graphics dont matter, do you not know that already? I bought a PS2 not because of the graphics, but because of the games."

That was mostly my point, the other being the staggering error of ignoring BC.

I didnt mean to sound condescending. Sorry.

Graphics being meaningless is always my point.

[GrinR]

I didnt mean to sound condescending. Sorry.

Graphics being meaningless is always my point.

Didn't think you were. We're on the same page, and undisputably correct about our views as well. Sweet!

[Kefkataran]

Indisputably...

*heads back into English-hole*

(Oh, and I agree.)

[GrinR]

Indisputably...
*heads back into English-hole*
(Oh, and I agree.)
I love it. :-D Between you and me, Kef, we'll get these guys into shape! How can we loose?

[MasterEvilAce]

WTF? If the Xbox was going after PS2.. they would have named it Xbox2, then.

[mulligan]

Hey Evil, whatever happened to the 'Troll' tags?


Reanimated used them all up

geez what a fucking troll that bastard is... between him and that other cock sucker.. what's his name? IwantFuryWang or some other shit like that, i swear for 5 full minutes i just want to choke them with an Xbox cable on fire..

[the nooch56]

you know i think there going after ps3 not ps2

[Furious Wang]

Reanimated used them all up

geez what a fucking troll that bastard is... between him and that other cock sucker.. what's his name? IwantFuryWang or some other shit like that, i swear for 5 full minutes i just want to choke them with an Xbox cable on fire..

How trollish of you.

You could have at least been more intelligent in your alteration of my handle. IwantFuryWang just doesn't roll off the tongue (ha!).

How about "Spurious Wang"?

[Furious Wang]

Xbox 360 emphasized it is a game machine which is complete as a platform. PS3 emphasized the possibility of technology."

Yes! The technology of playing video games! I love this guy!

I really have to agree with him about the 360, though. I definately think it was a mistake on Microsoft's part to only include the ability to play games on their game machine. I sure would have liked to be able to do things like hook up my ipod and stream music and store media on a hard drive and what not. That would have been sweet. Oh well, guess I can look forward to doing things like that on the PS3, right? Since it emphasizes the possibility of technology and creates phenomenons inside virtual worlds?

Anyway, I think this guy just hinted at a 2007 release. Being "in the middle of development" doesn't sound like a good place to be for a system that's supposedly less than a year away from being sold.

[Reanimated]

Guess you call black people niggers eh? I'm assuming your an educated person so you should know that calling someone who is japanese a jap is similar to calling a negro a nigger... so I guess that makes you either a racist or a clueless moron?




I'd say the term "jap" is the equivalent of a Brit calling me a Yank or vice versa. It's not exactly derogatory. If I wanted to use a racist term, I would have gone with "nip", "slant", or "gook". So how about putting the race card back in your pocket and get back to playing the dipshit card that you're so good with.

[Mac]

I'd say the term "jap" is the equivalent of a Brit calling me a Yank or vice versa. It's not exactly derogatory. If I wanted to use a racist term, I would have gone with "nip", "slant", or "gook". So how about putting the race card back in your pocket and get back to playing the dipshit card that you're so good with.

Don't "gook" refer to them there no-good, dirty Vietnamese?

[GrinR]

Slang is slippery.

GOOK (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gook&r=d)

Oh, and reanimated, you forgot "slope".

[Mac]

Really? Well damn, you learn something new everyday. I always could've sworn it was referring to the Vietnamese.

However..I've been wrong before, plenty of times. A month ago, I "could've sworn" that Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers sang the musical travesty, "Achy Breaky Heart", only to find out it was Billy Ray Cyrus.

[Reanimated]

Oh sorry, I left my Bob Jones Racists Dictionary at the Clan meeting.

[Redline]

Kenneth? Are you telling porkies again???!

[mister_slim]

Just take him, Allard and Molyneux and put'em in a WWF cage match.
Iwata wins, with Smash Brothers moves...

2. Where can I get some of the drugs he’s obviously ingesting in copious amounts?Might just be my brain doing some random association, but the words "Xbox 360" and "the inhale" keep popping up together.
I certainly agree with the fact it would be a mistake to have less than 98% BC on the XB360 (especially in light of the alleged ceased production of the original Xbox sometime this year). One of the biggest things (beyond DVD movie playback out of the box) that Sony did right in their transition from the PSX to the PS2 was to keep a high-level of compatibilty and encourage publishers to not only put out product for the PS2, but to continue to foster the PSX user-base. Sony drastically reduced their fees to produce software (do I remember correctly that they actually became ZERO-cost?) for the PSX once the PS2 hit the market, meaning PSX useres weren't left high and dry. Those who couldn't afford to move up to the PS2 still had options and were allowed to move on to Sony's next platform on their own terms.That is a really important point. Lack of third parties has really hurt Nintendo, and MS is really short on their own developers. If the third parties shy away from supporting it further, and ceasing production on the Xbox and having erratic BC in the 360 may cause that to happen, the release calendar will look really empty.

[Mojopin]

I'd say the term "jap" is the equivalent of a Brit calling me a Yank or vice versa. It's not exactly derogatory. If I wanted to use a racist term, I would have gone with "nip", "slant", or "gook". So how about putting the race card back in your pocket and get back to playing the dipshit card that you're so good with.

...clueless moron it is I guess. Maybe if you were actually a minority in the US you would have a better grasp on what is and isn't derogatory. Jap is NOT the equivalent of Yank, understand this before you make yourself look like an idiot around someone who is japanese and would take offense. Would you actually walk up to a group of Japanese and ask one of them... "are you a jap too?"

I mean come on, your original comment that I quoted you on began with "Jap" and ended with a ridiculous stereotype, exactly something that a racist tool would say. I'm not saying that you are a racist tool because I really don't know your nor do I want to, but it sure as hell sounded like it. Pull your head out of your ass man and realize you can make a mistake (if it was a mistake) every once in a while.

[Scull]

The Playstation 2 brand name is still significantly larger in the mind of consumers than the Xbox, so I fully expect the Playstation 3 to outsell the Xbox 360, but you won't see the X360 just die off the way the Dreamcast did. They will continue to be #2 and with almost a 12 month lead on the PS3, it will be a close second.

I don't know about that Mr. Evil, the 360 will have a full year of production, which will lead to reduced production costs, and then the PS3 will ship and MS will drop their prices $50-$100, and when the average consumer is shopping at Wal-Mart for Christmas 2006, that extra $50-$100 will be a sure win in the 360s favor. For the majority of the population it isn't about the system brand name, it is about the price first, and then the games.

[Pumped'Up]

Mercedes, a European company, now designs and leads the engineering teams on the majority of Daimler-Chrysler's new vehicles (Chrysler 300 has a Mercedes engine for christ's sake).
case in point. you wouldn't know the Chrysler 300 has a Benz engine...because it's exterior design is an atrocity...wow, just like the xbox.

[Kelegacy]

Kenneth? Are you telling porkies again???!


You people are freaking me out. I keep forgetting what this thread is about, so when i see statements like these, i fear someone knows my true identity.

hello, in real life my name is Kenneth also...and i'm a paranoid schizophrenic. (the name part is true anyway...the rest is probable but not yet proven)

[Reanimated]

...clueless moron it is I guess. Maybe if you were actually a minority in the US you would have a better grasp on what is and isn't derogatory.




Back to playing the dipshit card it is, I guess. lol

[Hellstorm]

Hardware sales from May 30th to June 5

hardware:
DS 34,939
PS2 30,811
PSP 23,225
GBASP 9,859
GC 2,360
GBA 538
Xbox 205


I don't think nintendo has anything to worry about. MS on the other hand...

[TrackZero]

Damnit Ken Kutaragi is being such a fucking cock lately. He needs to grow the hell up and make some valid attacks against Microsoft instead of all this childish shit he's spewing lately. He's doing a piss-poor job of making me want a PS3 (which part of me does want, for the backwards compatibility if nothing else).

[KamaItachi]

This just in from Ken:

My dad can beat up your dad

[Mason]

I love it. :-D Between you and me, Kef, we'll get these guys into shape! How can we loose?

You just lost your spelling nazi badge. Now get on out of my stankhouse.

[Mason]

case in point. you wouldn't know the Chrysler 300 has a Benz engine...because it's exterior design is an atrocity...wow, just like the xbox.

Next make fun of the controller size, oh please do. Please?

[Furious Wang]

1. J.A.P.

Jewish American Princess; a bitchy, spoiled, golddigging Jewish female; Raised in a wealthy household, selfish, high-maintenance to the point of sheer insanity, stuck-up, the worst woman to date/marry on planet earth, yet deemed the most desirable by jewish mothers, who attempt to force them down the throats of their unsuspecting sons (all for the sake of perserving "Jewish Heritage.")

What about that game that came out called Viewtiful Joe? Is that what the Japanese think of us? We're all named Joe and we just sit around watching movies and eating hamburgers all day long?

Where's the outrage?

[Eon]

You see, PS3 is going to WALK AWAY with the Japanese territory. Hands down and no competition. Meantime XBox 360 is probably going to win or at least be very, very competetive in the US territory.

The territory to play for will be Europe - and my guess is that both of the major companies will basically treat it like a poor relation, rather than recognising that it sells more units than either of the two "main" territories.

Who can be less arrogant, the Japanese or the Americans? It's a tough call - but I suspect that Sony will manage it, as the Americans don't seem to realise they are being arrogant, while the Japanese have a good laugh about it.

[Mac]

case in point. you wouldn't know the Chrysler 300 has a Benz engine...because it's exterior design is an atrocity...wow, just like the xbox.
The Chrysler 300 has won multiple awards this year as car of the year. Everything is opinion, slick.

[Mojopin]

Back to playing the dipshit card it is, I guess. lol
...sure man, it's whatever. You can play that racist tool card all you want then.

[Goronmon]

...clueless moron it is I guess. Maybe if you were actually a minority in the US you would have a better grasp on what is and isn't derogatory. Jap is NOT the equivalent of Yank, understand this before you make yourself look like an idiot around someone who is japanese and would take offense. Would you actually walk up to a group of Japanese and ask one of them... "are you a jap too?"

I mean come on, your original comment that I quoted you on began with "Jap" and ended with a ridiculous stereotype, exactly something that a racist tool would say. I'm not saying that you are a racist tool because I really don't know your nor do I want to, but it sure as hell sounded like it. Pull your head out of your ass man and realize you can make a mistake (if it was a mistake) every once in a while.
Geez, I didn't realize they made sticks that long...

[Goronmon]

...sure man, it's whatever. You can play that racist tool card all you want then.
I swear, its people like you that make sure racism will be around for a long time...

[Mojopin]

I swear, its people like you that make sure racism will be around for a long time...
I'm sure you have some "deep" philosophical reasoning as to why you think that when someone calls another out on a racist sounding comment it will keep racism prevalent but to be honest, you are reaching. Try again...

edit: screw that, no more talk about this. Sorry I brought it up in a game forum but when I see someone acting/writing/etc... like a racist prick I call them out on it because there are people of many different races in my life and I love many of them dearly. I won't bring it up again, or at least try not too.

[Goronmon]

I'm sure you have some "deep" philosophical reasoning as to why you think that when someone calls another out on a racist sounding comment it will keep racism prevalent but to be honest, you are reaching.
Actually, its not that deep. Basically, people like you basically are teaching others that words such as "jap" are terribly offensive and anyone who mentions them is the scum of the earth. In fact, you call people who underestimate the offensiveness of such words "clueless morons."

If people just stopped giving meaning to words that essentially have none, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. But people like you make sure that won't happen anytime soon.

Hence, you suck, I rule, etc, so on, and so forth....

[Mojopin]

Actually, its not that deep. Basically, people like you basically are teaching others that words such as "jap" are terribly offensive and anyone who mentions them is the scum of the earth. In fact, you call people who underestimate the offensiveness of such words "clueless morons."

I know, the "clueless moron" bit was written in anger and I should have wrote something less offensive. Reanimated has rubbed me the wrong way too often to even think he would consider his action a wrong, which he proved as usual.


If people just stopped giving meaning to words that essentially have none, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. But people like you make sure that won't happen anytime soon.

Sorry, that's not gonna happen. You defeat racisim and racist comments, written or otherwise, by fighting them. You can not let it walk over those you care about, history has proven this.


Hence, you suck, I rule, etc, so on, and so forth....

Ok you do rule!! >.<; ... but not for your postin! :p Neither do I for that matter... :(

[Reanimated]

Actually, its not that deep. Basically, people like you basically are teaching others that words such as "jap" are terribly offensive and anyone who mentions them is the scum of the earth. In fact, you call people who underestimate the offensiveness of such words "clueless morons."

If people just stopped giving meaning to words that essentially have none, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. But people like you make sure that won't happen anytime soon.

Hence, you suck, I rule, etc, so on, and so forth....





Exactly. Unfortunatly there's no way to kill off all the PC tards that perpetuate this garbage. A shame really.

[Mojopin]

Exactly. Unfortunatly there's no way to kill off all the PC tards that perpetuate this garbage. A shame really.
Yeah, can't kill off the racist forum trolls either. Unfortunate side effect of the internet, you know, the ability to make completely racist comments and not getting slapped for it like you deserve to be. This isn't the first time I have called you out on it either or I would not be making such a big deal out of it.

[Furious Wang]

Yeah, can't kill off the racist forum trolls either. Unfortunate side effect of the internet, you know, the ability to make completely racist comments and not getting slapped for it like you deserve to be. This isn't the first time I have called you out on it either or I would not be making such a big deal out of it.

Internet troll
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In the context of the Internet, a troll refers to a person who makes inflammatory or hostile comments, which by effect or design cause disruptions in discourse, or a post made by such a person. Trolling can be described as a breaching experiment, which, because of the use of an alternate persona, allows for normal social boundaries and rules of etiquette to be tested or otherwise broken, without serious consequences.

Self-proclaimed "trolls" may style themselves as devil's advocates, gadflies or "culture jammers," challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of forum discussions in an attempt to break the status quo of groupthink. Critics have claimed that genuine "devil's advocates" generally identify themselves as such out of respect for etiquette and courtesy, while trolls may dismiss etiquette and courtesy altogether.

The contemporary use of the term first appeared on Usenet groups in the early 1990s. It is widely thought to be a diminutive of the phrase "trolling for suckers," itself derived from the sports-fishing technique of trolling.

The word likely gained currency because of its conveniently apt second meaning, drawn from the "trolls" portrayed in medieval mythology and children's stories - protrayed as ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on wickedness and mischief.

As a pejorative, the term "troll" may also be a slander of opponents in heated debates, a tactic often used by trolls and non-trolls. Many times a person will post a sincere message that they are emotionally sensitive about and trolls know that the biggest way to upset them is to falsely claim that they are a troll. On other occasions a person may not instantly understand or fit into the social norms of a forum where most people are the same - and so acting just slightly out of social norms, often unintentionally, for legitimate reasons gets the poster falsely called a troll. Sometimes when a person just wants to be funny, they are accused of trolling, when that is not their intent. Quite often, trolls have found traditional trolling tactics so overused and commonplace that they have to disguise their trolling to make it effective; and this disguising is largely done recently by falsely accusing anyone they can of being trolls.

* off topic messages — "Can anyone help me make a webpage?" "No, this is a music forum."
* inflammatory messages — "You are an idiot for including this type of message in your list."
* messages containing an obvious flaw or error — "I think 2001: A Space Odyssey is Roman Polanski's best movie."
* intentionally naïve or politically contentious messages — "I think George W. Bush is the best/worst President ever."
* intentionally posting an outrageous argument deliberately constructed around a fundamental but obfuscated flaw or error; often the poster will become defensive when the argument is refuted but may instead continue the thread through the use of further flawed arguments; this is referred to as "feeding" the troll.
o a subclass of the above is the flawed proof of an important unsolved mathematical problem or impossibility (e.g. 1 = 2); these are not always troll-posts and are usually at least mathematically interesting.
* including offensive media such as annoying sound files or disturbing pictures in a message, or linking to shock sites that contain such media. Often these links are disguised as legitimate links.
* after a flamewar ensues, pretending to be innocent
* posting plot spoilers to popular movies and books without warning, sometimes surreptitiously buried in an otherwise innocuous message
* posting politically sensitive images in inappropriate places
* off-topic complaints about personal life; sometimes this is the "cry for help" troll.
* deliberate and repeated misspelling of other people's nicks in order to disturb or irritate them in a conversation.
* plural or paranoid answers to personal opinions expressed by individuals — "I don't believe that all of you really believe that, you are teaming against me."
* insulting people for bad grammar, which can be a highly sensitive topic

[Banacek]

I think when the Apocalypse starts it'll go something like this:

REPORTER: "Jesus, why did you finally decide to come back?"
JC: "Internet forums. I just had to put a stop to them. I just got so tired of assholes arguing just because there was no threat of recourse."

/sorry, bored at work...

[GrinR]

...clueless moron it is I guess. Maybe if you were actually a minority in the US you would have a better grasp on what is and isn't derogatory. Jap is NOT the equivalent of Yank, understand this before you make yourself look like an idiot around someone who is japanese and would take offense. Would you actually walk up to a group of Japanese and ask one of them... "are you a jap too?"

I mean come on, your original comment that I quoted you on began with "Jap" and ended with a ridiculous stereotype, exactly something that a racist tool would say. I'm not saying that you are a racist tool because I really don't know your nor do I want to, but it sure as hell sounded like it. Pull your head out of your ass man and realize you can make a mistake (if it was a mistake) every once in a while.

I agree completely! One exception though: It was definitely shifty Japs who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, and who competed with Stalin and Hitler for most-gut-churning-state-ordered-atrocities during dubyadubya2. I guess they're a little sensitive about it, but a lot of people still have relatives alive who remember when Japs didn't really have much place feeling discriminated against.

[GrinR]

You just lost your spelling nazi badge. Now get on out of my stankhouse.

You are so stupid, Mason. If you had read the thread you're referencing, instead of just knee-jerking, you'd have noticed my making FUN of the misspelling of "lose" as the very START of that thread. You also failed to notice the pronoun abuse, btw.

Like I said last time, read the thread before you comment on it. Do your homework and you won't have to get spanked.

[Eon]

I agree completely! One exception though: It was definitely shifty Japs who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, and who competed with Stalin and Hitler for most-gut-churning-state-ordered-atrocities during dubyadubya2. I guess they're a little sensitive about it, but a lot of people still have relatives alive who remember when Japs didn't really have much place feeling discriminated against.


Two words for you bub - "Indian Reservation".

But thanks for playing....

[Mac]

Man, everybody just assumes they're on some different and higher intellectual plane then others here, huh? Sheesh.

[Oddmaker]

What will happen to Ken if he was wrong :P

[GrinR]

Two words for you bub - "Indian Reservation".

But thanks for playing....

Was I telling any redskins to stop calling us paleface? No, but ... thanks for playing? What a contextually appropriate, yet silly sounding rejoinder.

[Eon]

Wow, you managed to make a reply without making a rejoinder. I do love a debating opponent who manages to make fun of somebody's phraseology without actually addressing content.

Perhaps you should be a journalist - or maybe a politician? :)

[GrinR]

Wow, you managed to make a reply without making a rejoinder. I do love a debating opponent who manages to make fun of somebody's phraseology without actually addressing content.

Perhaps you should be a journalist - or maybe a politician? :)

Um, your "content" was, in your words, two words: "indian reservation"

I couldn't have been focused more on your two words than by what I wrote.

Jap is completely understandable. So is nigger for that matter. And chink and so on. The point I was making was not a moral one, it was a historical one.

I'm curious, since you think I was dodging your point, what you thought I meant?

[Goronmon]

Man, everybody just assumes they're on some different and higher intellectual plane then others here, huh? Sheesh.
Nah, I'm just bored and trying to kill time at work ;)

Edit: Besides, I can't flame people on the boards I usually post on, haha.

[Kefkataran]

I agree completely! One exception though: It was definitely shifty Japs who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, and who competed with Stalin and Hitler for most-gut-churning-state-ordered-atrocities during dubyadubya2. I guess they're a little sensitive about it, but a lot of people still have relatives alive who remember when Japs didn't really have much place feeling discriminated against.

Not to be a history stickler as well as an English one, but I think most of Stalin's atrocities happened after WW2. :)

[GrinR]

Kefkataran, you're right, of course, I'm being sloppy historically. Still, Stalin wasn't in power by being a nice guy.

[Eon]

A great history on Stalin is "Koba the Dread" - read it to find out exactly how much of a not nice guy he was - before and after World War II.

I thought I was largely unshockable on this subject, but I was wrong.

[Kefkataran]

Eon, thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely have to check that out before my contemporary political thought class next semester.