New 360 model rumors surface - with a twist.

[civil_dead]

Game Informer is reporting that the rumor of a new & improved 360 coming down the pike has resurfaced, though this time from retailers:

You can’t keep a good rumor down. Just weeks after Microsoft stamped down talk that an HDMI-enabled Xbox 360, codenamed Zephyr, was in the works, the rumors are back. Retailers have confirmed that the new SKU is in their systems, set for a May 1 release for $479.99. In addition to the new video interface, the system would also pack a 120 GB hard drive into its nifty black exterior. Microsoft won’t officially confirm that such a configuration exists, but it’s interesting that so many retailers are wrong in the same way…
The source can be found here (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200702/N07.0216.1234.57890.htm).

Sneaky if it's true -it's $20 US cheaper than the lower-end PS3. I wonder if early adopters will cry foul?

[Banacek]

I can't think of a better way for MS to shoot themselves in the foot. Piss off old customers, and eliminate the price advantage with the PS3 for new customers. Sounds good to me!

[Xenkylm]

If there are substantially fewer ring-of-death's with the new SKU (assuming it exists), i'm so there.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I would laugh if they put motion control with rumble into controllers soon.

[Ferong]

I'll cry foul.

[Slack3r78]

I can't think of a better way for MS to shoot themselves in the foot. Piss off old customers, and eliminate the price advantage with the PS3 for new customers. Sounds good to me!
Huh? Who said they're eliminating the Premium SKU in favor of this? Or that the Premium won't become the 'new' core?

Let's look at the facts here - Microsoft would be offering a console which, by all objective reports we've seen, is very similar to the PS3 in power with full HD outputs and double the hard drive capacity of Sony's highest tier model which is still over $100 more expensive.

Sounds like a shrewd move to me and a prime example of how Microsoft has Sony by the balls when it comes to pricing this generation.

[Thin_J]

I wonder if early adopters will cry foul?[/I]

I will.

And then I'd buy one :(

[Banacek]

Huh? Who said they're eliminating the Premium SKU in favor of this? Or that the Premium won't become the 'new' core?

Sorry. A bunch of the rumors were saying that they were getting rid of the core. I was going by that.

[Slack3r78]

Do early adopters cry foul every time there's a price drop? The console's been on the market over a year now with no adjustment in price or feature set.

Expecting Microsoft to never to something about that is rather naïve, in my opinion.

[score]

Let's look at the facts here - Microsoft would be offering a console which, by all objective reports we've seen, is very similar to the PS3 in power with full HD outputs and double the hard drive capacity of Sony's highest tier model which is still over $100 more expensive.


Does this model come with a HD-DVD drive built in?

[Slack3r78]

Sorry. A bunch of the rumors were saying that they were getting rid of the core. I was going by that.
It wouldn't surprise me. Even if they dropped the core (which wouldn't be surprising given you see relatively few of them on shelves as is) without adjusting the price on the current Premium system, they would still maintain the same price advantage over the PS3 that they have now.

And since Microsoft is making money on every unit sold already, they have the option of matching any price drop Sony may put into place later on anyway.

[Slack3r78]

Does this model come with a HD-DVD drive built in?
Do most gamers really care?

Microsoft doesn't think so. I wouldn't expect it. "The power of the Blu-Ray" is what got Sony into the pricing bind they're in now in the first place and is exactly why Microsoft can afford to play games like this with Sony now.

Microsoft is also very clearly banking on digital video distribution trumping either of the HD disc formats, as evidenced by their IPTV push and digital video store.

[Banacek]

Do early adopters cry foul every time there's a price drop? The console's been on the market over a year now with no adjustment in price or feature set.

Expecting Microsoft to never to something about that is rather naïve, in my opinion.

First off, consoles don't usually change price within the first year. Usually takes a lot longer. It's just that I really don't think HDMI is all that important when you're trying to take the lead away from Sony. Hitting customers with too many different options just confuses them. i say keep it simple with the machine you have, it's selling fine. I guess the question is how many people aren't buying a 360 just because of HDMI? Is it really worth it?

[thecrazyd]

There is no reason a 120 gig hard drive should cost $80 more then a 20 gig hard drive. They must be using some expensive ass black paint.

[Shjinta]

Omg.. so what do us faithful launch day customers do if they release that shit? I'd be on the phone with MS fucking bitching

[Evil_SPanKY]

There is no reason a 120 gig hard drive should cost $80 more then a 20 gig hard drive. They must be using some expensive ass black paint.

That's not paint they are using.... Its radar absorbing stealth anodizing compounds!

[Slack3r78]

First off, consoles don't usually change price within the first year. Usually takes a lot longer.
Last generation the PS2 and Xbox saw price cuts on average every 12 to 18 months. The 360 will be approximately 18 months old when the rumored launch of this SKU is supposedly going to happen.

The Xbox's first price cut was actually to match a PS2 price drop when the Xbox was only 6 months old. Dropping the price to keep an edge on the competition clearly isn't something Microsoft is adverse to doing.

It's just that I really don't think HDMI is all that important when you're trying to take the lead away from Sony. Hitting customers with too many different options just confuses them. i say keep it simple with the machine you have, it's selling fine. I guess the question is how many people aren't buying a 360 just because of HDMI? Is it really worth it?
The big selling point is honestly going to be the bigger HDD, not the HDMI. Again, I suspect the HDMI (in combination with the larger drive) is directly related to Microsoft's push toward digital video distribution.

[Disgustipated]

Omg.. so what do us faithful launch day customers do if they release that shit? I'd be on the phone with MS fucking bitching

You already bought the product. MS isn't really obligated to upgrade you for free.

It's like buying any other piece of electronics equipment.

[VenomUSMC]

Wow people bitch about a lack of HD size and a lack of HDMI not they bitch about adding HDMI and more HD size...
Who is to say that the Premium won't drop in price if this is released?
I don't feel ripped off if it comes out at $480.
I don't know how you all cope with buying PC hardware if this is a problem a year after release....

[civil_dead]

Do early adopters cry foul every time there's a price drop? The console's been on the market over a year now with no adjustment in price or feature set.
No, but God kills a puppy every time there's a price drop, and that makes me cry. But this is more than a price drop or aesthetic change (a la the slim PS2), this is a new output method that would elevate the new 360 above the old 360. Those who bought 360 1.0 would be stuck staring up the skirt of the newer, darker (yet prettier) 360 2.0 in the hopes of catching some digital tang.

Uh, where was I going? Oh yeah. This is more than a cosmetic change, though. Being a somewhat early adopter, I'd feel a little snippy with MS for doing this so soon.
Expecting Microsoft to never to something about that is rather naïve, in my opinion.
Oh, I agree. I expect them to do something, but not so soon, and not so drastically. HDMI is a major change, IMO.

[thecrazyd]

Omg.. so what do us faithful launch day customers do if they release that shit? I'd be on the phone with MS fucking bitching
Why? You got it earlier, and scored a better deal. This shit is a rip off at that price. I doubt the validity.

[VenomUSMC]

HDMI is the lesser of the change compared to a 120 gig HD... if something upset me it would be the much larger HD. Yes I have a 1080p TV.... If it was that big of a deal I would have gotten the VGA cables or whatever to get that 1080 already... so the HDMI wouldn't make a damn difference at this point.

[Slack3r78]

No, but God kills a puppy every time there's a price drop, and that makes me cry. But this is more than a price drop or aesthetic change (a la the slim PS2), this is a new output method that would elevate the new 360 above the old 360. Those who bought 360 1.0 would be stuck staring up the skirt of the newer, darker (yet prettier) 360 2.0 in the hopes of catching some digital tang.
I disagree, personally. What does HDMI give most people over their current output options beyond HDCP, which has proven to be irrelevant and unused up to this point?

Oh, I agree. I expect them to do something, but not so soon, and not so drastically. HDMI is a major change, IMO.
If this thing launches in the spring, as speculated, the 360 will be in the range of 18 months old. Given the average lifespan of most consoles, that's a third of it's expected lifespan. I don't see how that is 'so soon', personally.

[CaptStu]

I don't have any need for the HDMI at the moment, but I'd like a larger hard-drive, a quieter unit, and it cased in black. If this is true, I'll buy it. By the time it makes its way to store shelves, my launch unit would be a year and a half old. It would be time to upgrade.

[Banacek]

Last generation the PS2 and Xbox saw price cuts on average every 12 to 18 months. The 360 will be approximately 18 months old when the rumored launch of this SKU is supposedly going to happen.

The Xbox's first price cut was actually to match a PS2 price drop when the Xbox was only 6 months old. Dropping the price to keep an edge on the competition clearly isn't something Microsoft is adverse to doing.

Well, going by the PS2 price cut time table there would be price cut in June of this year. The first Xbox was a bit different in the fact that not many people were buying it in the beginning.

I still don't understand your point. Whether or not it makes a difference with you is one thing, but it does make a difference to the masses. Especially ones who just got on board this Christmas. I personally don't care, I love my 360. But a majority will. Ask anyone who's gone through the hell of retail work.

[Gorvi]

I don't have any need for the HDMI at the moment, but I'd like a larger hard-drive, a quieter unit, and it cased in black. If this is true, I'll buy it. By the time it makes its way to store shelves, my launch unit would be a year and a half old. It would be time to upgrade.

Ya know, I totally understand wanting a bigger HDD, but when did it become acceptable that it would be 'time to upgrade' after only having a console for a year and a half? You'd have to think that MS would sell the larger HDD by itself as well, if this is indeed true.

[wyeast]

I'll cry foul if they get rid of the core. It was part of my elaborate scheme to replace my 1st gen 360 when the die-shrink-new-hotness model arrived. :(

[noxa]

I agree with some of you here by saying that if anyone whines, they need to stfu. You are entitled to nothing. The 360 has been out a long time, it's still a good deal (vs. the PS3), and you don't have to throw out your current machine. If you're jealous of those who get it and its shiny HDMI ports, go get one yourself! If you are a current 360 owner this is only good news - the more 360's out there the better (more games, etc). If you don't own a 360, this kicks ass too. Everyone should be happy!

Also, I bet they'll be releasing stand-alone 120GB drives at the same time this comes out - if you don't care about HDMI, just grab the new HDD and you'll be fine.

I know I'll personally be picking one of the new sets up, though, as that'd leave me with one for my XNA dev by my PC and one for my gaming on the TV. Since I don't need a big HDD, a quieter DVD drive, or HDMI for the dev box, it's perfect.

<--- satisfied owner
(who has been drinking and just lost at Supreme Commander - sorry if I sound snappy ;)

[Slack3r78]

Well, going by the PS2 price cut time table there would be price cut in June of this year. The first Xbox was a bit different in the fact that not many people were buying it in the beginning.
Again, on average, both systems had price drops every 12-18 months. The PS2's first price drop was at 19 months. Given, say, a March release, the 360 would be a full 16 months old when this happened -- right in the middle of that time frame.

I still don't understand your point. Whether or not it makes a difference with you is one thing, but it does make a difference to the masses. Especially ones who just got on board this Christmas. I personally don't care, I love my 360. But a majority will. Ask anyone who's gone through the hell of retail work.
People are always going to find something to complain about, frankly. So far as Microsoft is concerned, units sold are already part of the install base and they're not going to go away just because a new SKU is introduced. Some people may feel some buyer's remorse, sure, but that's a risk you take any time you purchase any product.

I just don't understand being upset because an 18 month old consumer electronics product has been updated and had a price adjustment. Personally, as a prospective 360 buyer, I'd be more annoyed with Microsoft if they didn't provide me some incentive to buy in now.

[CaptStu]

Ya know, I totally understand wanting a bigger HDD, but when did it become acceptable that it would be 'time to upgrade' after only having a console for a year and a half? You'd have to think that MS would sell the larger HDD by itself as well, if this is indeed true.

Your question begs a totally subjective answer. It's kinda because I feel like it. I have a sneaking suspicion that my 360 is on its last leg as it is. It's loud and getting louder, and somewhat unpredictable as to whether it's going to run or perform a certain function. I will probably have to get a new unit sometime this spring or summer anyway. Might as well make it an upgrade.

[Obione]

Well the way i see this is MS admitting that they rushed the 360 into the market in the first place. Releasing an upgrade this early in a console life cycle is just saying "we got it wrong"

[rjcc]

Does this model come with a HD-DVD drive built in?

there will not be a 360 with an hd dvd drive built in

[noxa]

Well the way i see this is MS admitting that they rushed the 360 into the market in the first place. Releasing an upgrade this early in a console life cycle is just saying "we got it wrong"

Both the 360 and the PS3 were as rushed as they could be. Kind out things go, unfortunately.

[CaptStu]

Well the way i see this is MS admitting that they rushed the 360 into the market in the first place. Releasing an upgrade this early in a console life cycle is just saying "we got it wrong"

I totally disagree. If the 360 wasn't a successful venture, then yes, I would agree with you. But, it's doing very well. What would bother me is if MS does nothing, rests on their product and becomes complacent to the market. Complacency is a killer.

[Johan]

I'm perfectly content with the 360 I've got. I'll replace it when it dies out of warranty. Until then, as far as I can tell, it still plays 360 games, so I guess it does what it was intended to do?! ;)

I don't need the latest and greatest. I didn't buy the 360 at launch, and I'm happy lagging behind the overcharged early adopters of the world (and I'd like to thank you all, as well, for making my tech. so much more affordable! I can't wait until the iPhone is a bit cheaper, as well! :)).

[Obione]

Both the 360 and the PS3 were as rushed as they could be. Kind out things go, unfortunately.
I agree with you

[Slack3r78]

I'm perfectly content with the 360 I've got. I'll replace it when it dies out of warranty. Until then, as far as I can tell, it still plays 360 games, so I guess it does what it was intended to do?! ;)

I don't need the latest and greatest. I didn't buy the 360 at launch, and I'm happy lagging behind the overcharged early adopters of the world (and I'd like to thank you all, as well, for making my tech. so much more affordable! I can't wait until the iPhone is a bit cheaper, as well! :)).
You shut up with your rational purchasing habits, Johan.

[Obione]

I totally disagree. If the 360 wasn't a successful venture, then yes, I would agree with you. But, it's doing very well. What would bother me is if MS does nothing, rests on their product and becomes complacent to the market. Complacency is a killer.
well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.

[DarkDaY]

no harm no foul,
my old one goes into my room, or a present, and i buy new model


yay me

[Sloth]

this is the downside to being an early adopter. I think if you buy the cutting edge gadget you're eventually going to get burned.

[CaptStu]

well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.

Not necessarily. That's like asking why people buy new cell phones every year. They do so to stay with technology. Options that were not as valuable or even needed two years ago with the 360 are so now, and that's still up for opinion.

[rjcc]

well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.

um, the original design for a console that would beat the ps3 by coming out a year earlier than it, and they've reaped great benefits as a result. adding features later on doesn't suddenly make that mistake.

[Slack3r78]

well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.
Given an expected console life span of 5 years and a current age of approximately 18 months:

1.5 / 5 = 0.3

That is to say we're approximately a third of the way through this console's lifetime. I don't see how that's 'this early.'

[CaptStu]

um, the original design for a console that would beat the ps3 by coming out a year earlier than it, and they've reaped great benefits as a result. adding features later on doesn't suddenly make that mistake.

Thank you, and you could even say the 360 has beaten the PS3, at least here in the U.S.

[Disgustipated]

You shut up with your rational purchasing habits, Johan.

You tell 'em, Slack! ...I still need to slam you into that Who's Who.

[Slack3r78]

You tell 'em, Slack! ...I still need to slam you into that Who's Who.
Dammit. I've been trying to avoid that. :p

[donkeydrop]

I can't think of a better way for MS to shoot themselves in the foot. Piss off old customers, and eliminate the price advantage with the PS3 for new customers.

It always amazes me when people get upset because someone else has something better. I mean, does your hard drive stop working just because there's now a 120GB available? No. Does your component output suddenly look like garbage? No. So, just chill and enjoy what you have.

[MrChaz]

I'd be much happier if they made the current design work reliably.

[Obione]

Thank you, and you could even say the 360 has beaten the PS3, at least here in the U.S.
There is a winner already in the US?

[TrackZero]

"Sneaky if it's true -it's $20 US cheaper than the lower-end PS3. I wonder if early adopters will cry foul?"

Well, you know, I kinda want to. But then I take a step back and realize, it's no different than any other market improving a product year over year, adding new features. It's not like new games suddenly stop working for those of us who already bought the console. MS never promised us a HDMI cable for the original one. We know that the new harddrives will be coming out for us to grab, and hell, it's not hard to spraypaint my 360 black if that's what I want.

Besides, I'm still going to smashy smashy my 360 at the end of it's EB warranty and get me one of those new 65nm processor ones. MMMMMmmm.

[TrackZero]

There is a winner already in the US?

Thus far, yeah. It'll still be a few months before there's any title that will generate a significant change in sales for the PS3, which is continually falling behind the 360 in numbers.

[TrackZero]

I'd be much happier if they made the current design work reliably.

I've had mine since Feb/March of last year, it's not had a single issue (except when I took my harddrive off and dropped it on the ground, but we can't blame MS for that). Most of those that did were in the first few months of launch (which is why MS extended the warranty for them).

[TrackZero]

HDMI is the lesser of the change compared to a 120 gig HD... if something upset me it would be the much larger HD. Yes I have a 1080p TV.... If it was that big of a deal I would have gotten the VGA cables or whatever to get that 1080 already... so the HDMI wouldn't make a damn difference at this point.

So go buy the 120GB drive when it comes out, if you want the upgrade. (Which you know will be alongside the console change.) At least you have that option, instead of having to tear the machine open a "hack" in a bigger drive (see original xbox).

The console's been out a year and a half. Hell, if this were Nintendo, they'd have completely redesigned the system so you felt you HAD to buy the new one (*cough* DS *cough*).

[Johan]

You shut up with your rational purchasing habits, Johan.

A certain $3,000 sewing machine says otherwise, but generally it's pretty true, thanks! :D

/Oh, and I can also say with some confidence that spending three grand on the wife is a great way to enable some spending for oneself, as well! I could get an upgraded 360 or iPhone if I wanted...I just don't want to spend the money.

[TrackZero]

well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.

What got patched? These are all only upgrades.

Nice post count, Sony troll. ;)

Edit: Because you know we can see all your posts listed, it's not hard to pick out a shill.

[CaptStu]

A certain $3,000 sewing machine says otherwise, but generally it's pretty true, thanks! :D

This could be the topic of its own thread. A $3,000 sewing machine?

[Johan]

This could be the topic of its own thread. A $3,000 sewing machine?

I don't want to thread jack any more, but here...

Three grand sewing machine thread (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22983)

It's quite amusing...became a conversation about the economics of blow jobs, somehow or other! :eek:

And this is where 51|Random actually says a sewing machine is more entertaining than five PS3s, too. Quite shocking...

[IRONGUSTAV]

no hdvd on this ? stupid move from ms..just sell a bigger hard drive at affordable prices

[Schnoogs]

I'll be bummed when they release the HDMI version...I really want to hook my 360 up to my 30" Dell but the Dell only accepts digitial signals which the current 360 doesnt do.

I don't want to have to drop another $500 for this new version...WTF was MS thinking not making the first gen 360 support both analog and digital out???

[Johan]

I'll be bummed when they release the HDMI version...I really want to hook my 360 up to my 30" Dell but the Dell only accepts digitial signals which the current 360 doesnt do.

I don't want to have to drop another $500 for this new version...WTF was MS thinking not making the first gen 360 support both analog and digital out???

For those in your shoes (I'm sure a lot of early adopters are in a similar boat), I wonder if you could time it in such a way as to trade in your old 360 while it still has some value prior to the updated one (keep the HDD for now) and apply the money to the updated one?

Having a "mole" on the inside of retail or MS would really help. Do we have one? Come on now; out yourself, mole!!!

[gojira]

My gut feeling is that MS has already said they only expect to sell about 3 million 360's this year. I think they are trying to refresh the product and get some people who are sitting on the fence to buy a 360.

I don't own any next gen console yet (unless you count a DS--hi Evil! :D) This intrigues me greatly. But I'm still gonna wait and see until I see one system as the clear leader (or the pressure for new games gets unbearable).

I think early adopters should feel like they've got their money's worth and this product change has little to do with them. Unless it obsoletes the existing units and forces an upgrade, it's no big deal. (If it does start to fragment 360 compatibility, that's going to suck for everyone.)

[Obione]

Thus far, yeah. It'll still be a few months before there's any title that will generate a significant change in sales for the PS3, which is continually falling behind the 360 in numbers.
Oh you meant there is a leader not a winner.

[Obione]

What got patched? These are all only upgrades.

Nice post count, Sony troll. ;)

Edit: Because you know we can see all your posts listed, it's not hard to pick out a shill.
Thanks for the tag, it is so thoughtful of you.

[rein]

I will only cry foul of they do not offer a hard drive upgrade for a reasonable price at the same time.

[TrackZero]

I'll be bummed when they release the HDMI version...I really want to hook my 360 up to my 30" Dell but the Dell only accepts digitial signals which the current 360 doesnt do.

I don't want to have to drop another $500 for this new version...WTF was MS thinking not making the first gen 360 support both analog and digital out???

Because unlike you, the other 99% of people in this world will not be using HDMI. On a mass consumer scale, it's simply not breaking through this gen (until possibly right at the tail end, and even then I doubt it), so it's added cost to the console that everyone else would be paying for, so you could enjoy it.

Especially silly when you can't even tell the difference between HDMI and component in side by side tests. It's simply not cost effective for MS, or the consumer. You should be happy that they're releasing this new model that does support it for the enthusiasts.

Here I am trying to explain this to a guy who's whining that his computer monitor doesn't work with a TV console....

Edit: Ah, that's right, Dell makes "TVs" now (re: bigger computer monitors). I forgot.

[TrackZero]

I will only cry foul of they do not offer a hard drive upgrade for a reasonable price at the same time.

Agreed. That shit would be something worth getting pissed right off about.

But hell, I suppose I can always just manually upgrade mine....

Pop it open: http://www.xbox-scene.com/tutorials-xbox360/open-xbox360-hdd-drive.php

Get a ghost image of the drive, put in a bigger replacement, flashed with the original image. Boom, 360 thinks it's just a bigger drive and all your stuff is intact.

Then you can backup your data to your PC as well:http://www.team-gx.org/360rebuild/


But I'd much prefer to just buy an upgrade from MS and not bust my warranty. But I'm afraid they're going to rape us on cost. It doesn't help that these are laptop drives, and most people don't realize the cost difference and will scream bloody murder at the store "I can get a 500gigawatts drive for $200, WTFBBQ!?!@ FuX U ***!". Which will undoubtedly happen.

[TrackZero]

Oh you meant there is a leader not a winner.

No, I mean winner. At this point, it's safe to say the PS3 will not outsell the 360 this gen.

Edit: But to further clarify, the idea of a "winner" is straight up silly (unless you drive your competition literally out of business). And I don't consider the PS3 a failure either. It'll largely be a 3 way split this gen.

[TrackZero]

Thanks for the tag, it is so thoughtful of you.

No problem, I'm just trying to do my part, educate you on how EvAv runs in the background. We keep our eyes on folks. ;) Hell, just check what happened in the Vanguard thread....

[VenomUSMC]

So go buy the 120GB drive when it comes out, if you want the upgrade. (Which you know will be alongside the console change.) At least you have that option, instead of having to tear the machine open a "hack" in a bigger drive (see original xbox).

The console's been out a year and a half. Hell, if this were Nintendo, they'd have completely redesigned the system so you felt you HAD to buy the new one (*cough* DS *cough*).
I've come out in support of MS having this new version....
I stated that I feel that 120 GIG HD is the bigger upgrade, not that I feel cheated.

[Schnoogs]

Because unlike you, the other 99% of people in this world will not be using HDMI. On a mass consumer scale, it's simply not breaking through this gen (until possibly right at the tail end, and even then I doubt it), so it's added cost to the console that everyone else would be paying for, so you could enjoy it.

Especially silly when you can't even tell the difference between HDMI and component in side by side tests. It's simply not cost effective for MS, or the consumer. You should be happy that they're releasing this new model that does support it for the enthusiasts.

Here I am trying to explain this to a guy who's whining that his computer monitor doesn't work with a TV console....

Edit: Ah, that's right, Dell makes "TVs" now (re: bigger computer monitors). I forgot.

What a hilarious post...cant tell the difference between HDMI and component??? Other than the fact that component doesnt support HDCP :p :p

Second off PC video cards for at least the last 6 years have happily supported both analog and digital out...you may have heard of something called DVI-I which 99% of video cards support. Those sorts of outputs are a cheap commodity in this day and age :rolleyes:

The PS3 will work happily with digital only computer monitors...in fact the 360 is the only device I have that doesnt. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You must be living in the 1990's because the distiction between a TV and computer monitor are almost nill at this point. Every HDTV i've owned can accept PC input and can easily work as a second dispaly.

Last of all...its called an opinion. I guess I can't be bummed though...thanks Mr. Thought Police :rolleyes:

[Jedi Beast]

Im going to be pissedif they acutally realease this. My original is falling apart, the disc drive only opens half the time and it freezes all the time.

they better let us trade in our old ones for a huge discount on the new ones.

[Xerxes]

I will.
And then I'd buy one :(
Right behind yeah. :(

The big selling point is honestly going to be the bigger HDD, not the HDMI. Again, I suspect the HDMI (in combination with the larger drive) is directly related to Microsoft's push toward digital video distribution.
Ummm, actually you can't forget the black paint. Biggest selling point there.

Wouldn't VGA cables still be better if all you have is a 720p/1080i hd set anyways?

[TrackZero]

What a hilarious post...cant tell the difference between HDMI and component??? Other than the fact that component doesnt support HDCP :p :p

Are you being mental? People don't care about HDCP, and it makes no graphical difference whatsoever, it's just a DRM tech that isn't even (and may never be) in use for the lifespan of this gen.

Second off PC video cards for at least the last 6 years have happily supported both analog and digital out...you may have heard of something called DVI-I which 99% of video cards support. Those sorts of outputs are a cheap commodity in this day and age :rolleyes:

They are. HDCP is not. They pay a fee for that per console. So cut the sass captain sassypants.

Last of all...its called an opinion. I guess I can't be bummed though...thanks Mr. Thought Police :rolleyes:

It is opinion, though misguided, I was only trying to make you aware of the reasons why things are the way they are. Trust me, I wish black 120GB HDMI 360s fell from the sky (with ice cream cones), but there's economical reasons it's not happening, not because MS sits around in a board room going "yeah, how can we screw over the people we're trying to get on our side?". I'm just trying to clean up the FUD, sorry if I come off condescending sometimes.


EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Damn you, adding stuff after-the-fact:

The PS3 will work happily with digital only computer monitors...in fact the 360 is the only device I have that doesnt. You must be living in the 1990's because the distiction between a TV and computer monitor are almost nill at this point. Every HDTV i've owned can accept PC input and can easily work as a second dispaly.

Sorry chief, you're the first person I've ever met who's TV only inputs digital signals. And I don't live in the 90s, hell, at my work in my office I've got 8 22" widescreen samsung LCD monitors and a nice 30" LCD TV (for the security cams), and guess what, they all have analog/digital inputs. Because the companies didn't try to cheap out by removing analog support like Dell does. You got that set cheap for a reason, deal with it.

And there's still a big diff from computer monitor to TV. It's called signal support. Monitors can still adjust the horizontal/vertical positioning, colour correction and don't run into overscan problems (like most TVs trying to input from a PC do). TV displays have only recently been "hacking" on support for VGA/DVI, with mixed results depending on the vendor.

Yeah, my HDTV has VGA, DVI and HDMI plugs (as well as a fuckton of component and composite inputs), though, ironically it's a Sony, who didn't skip out on support like Dell apparently did.

[TrackZero]

Wouldn't VGA cables still be better if all you have is a 720p/1080i hd set anyways?

Bingo. Assuming the games properly support them without needing patches (*cough* GoW *cough*).

[Schnoogs]

It is opinion, though misguided


Misguided that I'm bummed I cant use my 360 on my expensive monitor where as this new version will work just fine :confused:

How is that misguided???

[silv]

Seriously, people need to stop whining.

It's black, it's got 120gb, and it's got HDMI. Previous owners can just buy the HDD seperately.

I really don't understand why people are so upset. I'm excited.

[Schnoogs]

Are you being mental? People don't care about HDCP, and it makes no graphical difference whatsoever, it's just a DRM tech that isn't even (and may never be) in use for the lifespan of this gen.



They are. HDCP is not. They pay a fee for that per console. So cut the sass captain sassypants.



It is opinion, though misguided, I was only trying to make you aware of the reasons why things are the way they are. Trust me, I wish black 120GB HDMI 360s fell from the sky (with ice cream cones), but there's economical reasons it's not happening, not because MS sits around in a board room going "yeah, how can we screw over the people we're trying to get on our side?". I'm just trying to clean up the FUD, sorry if I come off condescending sometimes.

People dont care about HDCP? You're the one who talked about side by side comparisons which is stupid since HDMI was adopted to merge audio and video and was seen as a convenience not a graphical upgrade. Try looking up HDMI so you can understand why it was created. HDCP works also on DVI which has supported analog happily for like 6 years.


Learn to deal with other peoples opinions...you're an arogant, trolling, asshole if you cant deal with other people expressing their dismay that the console they just bought that doesnt work with their expensive new LCD is being replaced with a new model that does. How can you be so dense as to not understand why thats frustrating??!?!?!? :confused:

[Slack3r78]

Misguided that I'm bummed I cant use my 360 on my expensive monitor where as this new version will work just fine :confused:

How is that misguided???
Personally, I'd suggest it has more to do with the fact that your situation is out of the norm. I agree absolutely that it sucks for you, however your scenario exists as a corner case from Microsoft's perspective.

[Schnoogs]

Seriously, people need to stop whining.

It's black, it's got 120gb, and it's got HDMI. Previous owners can just buy the HDD seperately.

I really don't understand why people are so upset. I'm excited.

YOu don't understand why people, who have already spent $400 on a console, would be upset that its being replaced with a newer model that offers features that are very applealing and weren't available upon launch???

Wow...I guess you think everyone just has $400 sitting around collecting dust. I for one could really use the HDMI out and not having it on my current 360 has resulted in frustration since I now have to use my 360 on a TV in the other room. If it simply had HDMI or DVI out I could use it on the display I have all of my other devices hooked up to.

Noone is sayign that they are going to go postal over this but for some of us its like rubbing salt in the wound...while I'm making do with a less than desireable setup at home I now get to see a replacement that would work PERFECTLY with my setup but is gonna cost me another $400. Should i just chuck my old 360?!?!?!? I don't have that kind of cash. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

Personally, I'd suggest it has more to do with the fact that your situation is out of the norm. I agree absolutely that it sucks for you, however your scenario exists as a corner case from Microsoft's perspective.

I certainly hope guys like you and TrackZero aren't suggesting that if your situation is outside the norm you should surpress your opinions and not share your feelings on the subject.

Hence the Thought Police comment.

PLUS!!! If I'm outside the norm then why is MS even releasing an HDMI version???? :confused:

[TrackZero]

People dont care about HDCP? You're the one who talked about side by side comparisons which is stupid since HDMI was adopted to merge audio and video and was seen as a convenience not a graphical upgrade. Try looking up HDMI so you can understand why it was created. HDCP works also on DVI which has supported analog happily for like 6 years.

So you're complaining that you're losing the convenience of plugging in sound seperately, then paying extra for HDCP and it's limitations:

"HDCP is licensed by Digital Content Protection, LLC, a subsidiary of Intel. In addition to paying fees, licensees agree to limit the capabilities of their products. For example, High-definition digital video content must be restricted to DVD quality on non-HDCP compliant video outputs when requested by the source. DVD-Audio content is restricted to DAT quality on non-HDCP digital audio outputs (analog audio outputs have no quality limits). Licensees cannot allow their devices to make copies of content, and must design their products to "effectively frustrate attempts to defeat the content protection requirements." - wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP)

And no, noone wants HDCP dummy. HDMI, sure, why not, but not HDCP. But again, hardly anyone uses HDMI, so it's a footnote and not worth the extra cost per console when only 5% or less of the market is going to use it. So, quite bluntly, stop being stupid.

Learn to deal with other peoples opinions...you're an arogant, trolling, asshole if you cant deal with other people expressing their dismay that the console they just bought that doesnt work with their expensive new LCD is being replaced with a new model that does. How can you be so dense as to not understand why thats frustrating??!?!?!? :confused:

I understand you didn't think anything through, bought a TV that doesn't support the standard inputs, to save some money. Then picked up a 360, knowing that it would not work (or didn't even bother to check if it would, either way your fault), and just figured they'd come out with an HDMI cable down the road for you (even though they explained repeatedly they could not). You dug your own grave here man, so no, I don't feel for you on this, and your attacking this new console release is totally besides the point, you just want to hate on something because you screwed up. And go read up on the definition of troll pal, I don't fit that bill. Arrogant, asshole, sure I'll accept those though. ;) At least I'm not ignorant and in denial like you.

[TrackZero]

I certainly hope guys like you and TrackZero aren't suggesting that if your situation is outside the norm you should surpress your opinions and not share your feelings on the subject.

Hence the Thought Police comment.

PLUS!!! If I'm outside the norm then why is MS even releasing an HDMI version???? :confused:

We're not. You stated your opinion. Your situation sucks. But it's one you got yourself in, MS didn't do it to you, we didn't do it to you, you did it to you, so suck it up.

[Ph00p]

Fuck, thats going to be too expensive in Canada when you convert it, unless they drop the original preemie pack.

[Schnoogs]

understand you didn't think anything through, bought a TV that doesn't support the standard inputs, to save some money.

Youre a fucking moronic asshole...name another LCD that has the resolution of the 30" Dell and would work for a PC as a monitor that wouldn't fry your eyeballs at normal viewing distance???????????? The 30" Dell is one of the most expensive PC displays money can buy but according to you I did it to "save money".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Your post proves beyond a doubt that you're just being an argumentative fucktard.

[TrackZero]

Youre a fucking moronic asshole...name another LCD that has the resolution of the 30" Dell and would work for a PC as a monitor that wouldn't fry your eyeballs at normal viewing distance???????????? The 30" Dell is one of the most expensive PC displays money can buy but according to you I did it to "save money".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Your post proves beyond a doubt that you're just being an argumentative fucktard.

Welcome to my ignore list, retard.

[Slack3r78]

I certainly hope guys like you and TrackZero aren't suggesting that if your situation is outside the norm you should surpress your opinions and not share your feelings on the subject.

Hence the Thought Police comment.
Where did I say that? Look again, I even said that I sympathize with your position. What I said was that it's an issue that affects a low enough percentage of the customer base that Microsoft, from a business perspective, apparently didn't see the advantage of going with HDMI from the get go.

PLUS!!! If I'm outside the norm then why is MS even releasing an HDMI version???? :confused:
I don't work for Microsoft and don't have the market numbers to say with any certainty, but there are any number of business reasons it might make sense to include it now - improved economies, opening up to the extreme enthusiast market, filling another 'me too' checkbox in comparison to the PS3. Who's to say for sure?

But, even with this addition, it's only being added to the highest end model that's being sold at a premium meaning only to those who see fit to actually seek out this feature set.

[Schnoogs]

We're not. You stated your opinion. Your situation sucks. But it's one you got yourself in, MS didn't do it to you, we didn't do it to you, you did it to you, so suck it up.

MS ignored a simple, common and inexpensive feature. Its called offering both digital and analog out and its been a feature on almost every PC video card made in the last 6-7 years.

You're a douchebag troll in my book...go bug someone else.

[Xerxes]

After finish reading this thread, I think I would be more excited if it had the 65nm in it. I think then there would be no questions about selling my Christmas 360(five months with by times it comes out compared to some of you) in hopes of getting one of the new ones. <shrug>

[Schnoogs]

Welcome to my ignore list, retard.


You're actually doing me a favor which means I can now share my OPINIONS and not have to worry about trolling asshats like yourself that lack the emotional maturity to sit and listen without feelign the need to belittle or argue against somethign that is being put forward as nothing more than an opinion.

I shared my frustration and you felt the need to not only troll my post but be rude and condescending.

I beg you to put me on your ignore list so I can share my opinions freely with those here who can listen and tolerate other peoples experiences that either differ from theres or are inconsequential to them.

[TrackZero]

Fuck, thats going to be too expensive in Canada when you convert it, unless they drop the original preemie pack.

Hrm, interesting thought. I suppose May 1 wouldn't be a bad time for the price drop to hit the premium/core units as they are now.

Yeah, $479.99 is $558.564 Canadian. Hmmm, still nowhere near the PS3 price (for up here), but definitely more of a middle ground. Though judging from what they're doing with it (heh, making it black being the biggest tipoff), this is meant to be for those who actually want a more specced out 360. Though none of the new features is of any interest to me (besides possibly the harddrive). I'll be more happy for the new 65nm processor with the quieter fans coming out this summer then anything else.

[Schnoogs]

Where did I say that? Look again, I even said that I sympathize with your position. What I said was that it's an issue that affects a low enough percentage of the customer base that Microsoft, from a business perspective, apparently didn't see the advantage of going with HDMI from the get go.


I don't work for Microsoft and don't have the market numbers to say with any certainty, but there are any number of business reasons it might make sense to include it now - improved economies, opening up to the extreme enthusiast market, filling another 'me too' checkbox in comparison to the PS3. Who's to say for sure?

But, even with this addition, it's only being added to the highest end model that's being sold at a premium meaning only to those who see fit to actually seek out this feature set.

First off Slacker I didn't mean to come off rude to you...I value discussions with you and my anger was totally towards TrackZero who for whatever reason has it in for me in this thread.

I should feel free to be upset...all I said to begin with is that its tough to see a new model being released especially one that would work perfectly for me. If consoles were like $30 I would just happily buy a new one.

Its hard though to throw $400 around everytime a better version comes out...I should not feel threatened posting that here.

TrackZero is a troll...plain and simple.

[TrackZero]

For those in your shoes (I'm sure a lot of early adopters are in a similar boat), I wonder if you could time it in such a way as to trade in your old 360 while it still has some value prior to the updated one (keep the HDD for now) and apply the money to the updated one?

Having a "mole" on the inside of retail or MS would really help. Do we have one? Come on now; out yourself, mole!!!

Won't work, this is a different SKU. You won't be able to exchange previous versions of 360s for the new one.

[Schnoogs]

Won't work, this is a different SKU. You won't be able to exchange previous versions of 360s for the new one.

He meant trade it in at a used game store I believe...if you do it soon enough the used game stores will give you more money today than they would say in 2-3 months.

Used 360's are going to fetch less and less as time goes by and as newer models are released.

[TrackZero]

First off Slacker I didn't mean to come off rude to you...I value discussions with you and my anger was totally towards TrackZero who for whatever reason has it in for me in this thread.

I should feel free to be upset...all I said to begin with is that its tough to see a new model being released especially one that would work perfectly for me. If consoles were like $30 I would just happily buy a new one.

Its hard though to throw $400 around everytime a better version comes out...I should not feel threatened posting that here.

TrackZero is a troll...plain and simple.

Listen here you two faced little shit. It's one thing to disagree with me, then to start namecalling me because I pointed out the faults in your argument, but to keep going on about it after our discussion is over, by insulting me to other people. Grow the fuck up.

[Slack3r78]

I should feel free to be upset...all I said to begin with is that its tough to see a new model being released especially one that would work perfectly for me. If consoles were like $30 I would just happily buy a new one.

Its hard though to throw $400 around everytime a better version comes out...I should not feel threatened posting that here.
I agree with that entirely. Like I said, I totally understand why you'd be upset about this news.

My point is mainly that, from Microsoft's perspective, the 360 you own now is already a part of the installed base and isn't going to suddenly vanish once they introduce a new SKU.

It's one of those things that kind of sucks for the existing install base, but is just plain good business sense on Microsoft's part and is further encouragement for potential future customers (like me, as I don't yet own a 360) to jump on board.

[Schnoogs]

Listen here you two faced little shit. It's one thing to disagree with me, then to start namecalling me because I pointed out the faults in your argument, but to keep going on about it after our discussion is over, by insulting me to other people. Grow the fuck up.

How can you find faults in someones frustration????? :confused:

Thats called an emotional response...and its apart of human nature.

Clearly you were incapable of dealing with that and were VERY rude. You deserved every name i called you.

Please put me on your ignore list...I should not feel threatened sharing my opinions or describing my emotions.

How you can be so arrogant and egotistical as to think you know what is a correct and incorrect emotional response is beyond me.

Go back and read my first post...all I shared was my frustration. You took it from there.

[Schnoogs]

I agree with that entirely. Like I said, I totally understand why you'd be upset about this news.

My point is mainly that, from Microsoft's perspective, the 360 you own now is already a part of the installed base and isn't going to suddenly vanish once they introduce a new SKU.

It's one of those things that kind of sucks for the existing install base, but is just plain good business sense on Microsoft's part and is further encouragement for potential future customers (like me, as I don't yet own a 360) to jump on board.


My anger doesnt come from not understanding MS and their business model...my original comment which was somethign to the effect of "Why would MS do this?" was rhetorical in nature and was me just voicing my frustration. In other words TrackZero was foolish for taking it as a literal question. whether its cars or consoles manufacturers continously refine their product and the car you get this year will most likely have subtle enhancements the next year.

I think MS could have offered digital out in some form with its first gen 360 but it chose not to. I stand by my argument that PC video cards have made this a commodity option but oh well. I also bought my Dell 30" well after I got my 360 and originally had no intention of using it as anything but a PC display. Circumstances changed and it would have been so CONVENIENT if the 360 had digital out. But alas it doesnt and its created a less than desirable setup at home.

Why TrackZero felt the need to argue with that is beyond anyone...

[Stryfe01]

I will.

And then I'd buy one :(

LOL me too! i have one in my living room! I'd buy one to be able to put that downstairs and bring the other one upstairs. Then my gf and I can play at the same time without having to share our 32" !

[TrackZero]

How can you find faults in someones frustration????? :confused:

Like I already explained, your frustration was one you brought upon yourself. So you can't expect any other reaction than the one you received. Please, please explain what you expected to get as replies.

Thats called an emotional response...and its apart of human nature.

Clearly you were incapable of dealing with that and were VERY rude. You deserved every name i called you.

Agreed, it is, in fact, I'm pretty fucking mad at you right now. You're being as stubborn as a mule, even though there's nothing left to discuss.

That's a great policy though, don't like what someone says, so escalate the situation for no reason. You and George W must be best buds.

You're being a hypocite. You said I didn't address you in an adult manner, after you start namecalling.

Let's turn back the clock here.....first insult was from you:

"you're an arogant, trolling, asshole"

So sorry pal, pot, meet kettle.


Please put me on your ignore list...I should not feel threatened sharing my opinions or describing my emotions.

You're posting on EvAv, there's attitude, it's the site slogan. Get used to it.

How you can be so arrogant and egotistical as to think you know what is a correct and incorrect emotional response is beyond me.

I didn't judge an emotional response. I only spoke to the points you were making. You can feel however you want to feel, whether "right" or "wrong", I'm still going to point out something if your logic is faulty. I'm not here to be a shoulder to cry on because you screwed up your purchases (especially when you, apparently, cannot afford to make them).

Go back and read my first post...all I shared was my frustration. You took it from there.

All I did was address your comments, like I said. You started the namecalling and took things personally. I had even apologized if I was coming across strongly, the comment before you started calling me names. So much for trying to empathize.

[Slack3r78]

I think MS could have offered digital out in some form with its first gen 360 but it chose not to. I stand by my argument that PC video cards have made this a commodity option but oh well. I also bought my Dell 30" well after I got my 360 and originally had no intention of using it as anything but a PC display. Circumstances changed and it would have been so CONVENIENT if the 360 had digital out. But alas it doesnt and its created a less than desirable setup at home.
Yeah, I was always somewhat surprised that the 360 apparently doesn't support DVI (which, incidentally, would have made HDMI support relatively trivial), but by the same token even most HD displays have at least some form of analogue input, which is what I meant when I said your situation is relatively unusual.

But none of us are privy to the reasons why MS made that choice, so I guess we're just stuck wondering why. :)

[Schnoogs]

LOL me too! i have one in my living room! I'd buy one to be able to put that downstairs and bring the other one upstairs. Then my gf and I can play at the same time without having to share our 32" !


Now you're just rubbing it in!! ;)

I guess that would be looking at the bright side...no more split screen when the buddies come over. :p

[TrackZero]

My anger doesnt come from not understanding MS and their business model...my original comment which was somethign to the effect of "Why would MS do this?" was rhetorical in nature and was me just voicing my frustration. In other words TrackZero was foolish for taking it as a literal question. whether its cars or consoles manufacturers continously refine their product and the car you get this year will most likely have subtle enhancements the next year.

Again, why are you bringing me up in posts to other people who weren't discussing me. Grow up.

Why TrackZero felt the need to argue with that is beyond anyone...

And it goes on and on. Maybe if you mention me again to someone else, you'll win a prize, or suddenly become right about something.

[Schnoogs]

TrackZero see Slackers response as the mature response to my frustration...end of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

BTW...Ignore list...please?

[Schnoogs]

Again, why are you bringing me up in posts to other people who weren't discussing me. Grow up.



And it goes on and on. Maybe if you mention me again to someone else, you'll win a prize, or suddenly become right about something.


Slacker thought some of my comments towards you were towards him...thats how your name came up.

This is a forum remember...people do read other peoples posts and they do get quoted, referred to, etc.

Can we please move along? Do you really want to keep fighting?


EDIT...this is slackers response in which he mistook comments directed towards as being for him...I'm sure you'll find someone to argue this too :rolleyes:

Where did I say that? Look again

[TrackZero]

TrackZero see Slackers response as the mature response to my frustration...end of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

BTW...Ignore list...please?

Nice, can't reply to the point that YOU started all of this, so just drop the convo. Good luck in life, you'll need it.

[TrackZero]

Slacker thought some of my comments towards you were towards him...thats how your name came up.

No, he really didn't, there was no need to mention me again.

Can we please move along? Do you really want to keep fighting?

I will now, because you didn't stop it when you could have. You felt the need to keep on going, even after I had offered the ignore list option. Now I want an apology for calling me names to begin with.

[thecrazyd]

No, I mean winner. At this point, it's safe to say the PS3 will not outsell the 360 this gen.

Edit: But to further clarify, the idea of a "winner" is straight up silly (unless you drive your competition literally out of business). And I don't consider the PS3 a failure either. It'll largely be a 3 way split this gen.
I don't think it is safe to say, especially if MS blows their biggest advantage by releasing a more expensive product.

[Schnoogs]

Ignore list...please?

[DangerousDaze]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Microsoft release a console with an HDMI port they will be effectively vindicating Sony's decision to include one on the PS3. It will be proving the worth of HD and it's not a big step from that to adding HD-DVD, regardless of what they've said in the past.

My personal view is that HDMI simply isn't worth it, which makes Microsoft's potential decision to alter their base specs such a strange and worrisome move.

[Slack3r78]

I don't think it is safe to say, especially if MS blows their biggest advantage by releasing a more expensive product.
They would still have a $120 lead over the most comparable PS3 SKU with this unit (which has half the hard drive capacity).

And again, the current 20GB Premium likely isn't going away.

[Slack3r78]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Microsoft release a console with an HDMI port they will be effectively vindicating Sony's decision to include one on the PS3. It will be proving the worth of HD and it's not a big step from that to adding HD-DVD, regardless of what they've said in the past.

My personal view is that HDMI simply isn't worth it, which makes Microsoft's potential decision to alter their base specs such a strange and worrisome move.
I disagree with you here. As I've already said in this thread, it's pretty clear that Microsoft is backing digital distribution of video pretty strongly. The larger 120GB hard drive would solve the biggest problem with using the current 360 SKUs as a digital distribution platform - capacity. No HD disc format necessary.

HDMI would simply further the perception of this new SKU as being the 'preferred' method of receiving IPTV and other DV content via the 360.

[DaXIthR]

I wonder how MS could make a distinction between this thing - if it's real - and the PS3.

Oh snap -- I forgot! It'll have games on it.

[rjcc]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Microsoft release a console with an HDMI port they will be effectively vindicating Sony's decision to include one on the PS3. It will be proving the worth of HD and it's not a big step from that to adding HD-DVD, regardless of what they've said in the past.

My personal view is that HDMI simply isn't worth it, which makes Microsoft's potential decision to alter their base specs such a strange and worrisome move.

are you on drugs?

changing the disc drive in the console is a pretty long way form adding a digital video output. Including a digital video out is not a strange and/or worrisome move.

vindicating sony's decision to put one on the ps3? They HAD to put on one the ps3 because without it, you wouldn't get blu-ray in 1080p which is a major selling point. do you not recall that even with all that, sony's original plan was to forego hdmi on the 20gb ps3 because not many people will actually use it?

they changed their minds because manufacturing two different system boards right off the bat is retarded, not because everyone in the world needs hdmi.

[xplics]

First off, consoles don't usually change price within the first year. Usually takes a lot longer. It's just that I really don't think HDMI is all that important when you're trying to take the lead away from Sony. Hitting customers with too many different options just confuses them. i say keep it simple with the machine you have, it's selling fine. I guess the question is how many people aren't buying a 360 just because of HDMI? Is it really worth it?

I just got a new sony brivia 40 inch flat screen, a surround sound system made for my 360, HD DVD add on with a few HD DVDS, and of course the VGA adaptor so I can enjoy full 1080P. So I do not think the option for HDMI is stopping people really when the option is there right now for full 1080P support with out HDMI, and if the HD DVD price is dropped by a hundred that would also just add to a up to the user type setup for less then the PS3 at the time.

[Knightsaber]

Only if it has a more reliable lifespan will I cry foul. I'm sure the 120GB drives will be an easy purchase for current owners. Other than that, it has nothing I would cry foul about.

[DangerousDaze]

are you on drugs?Only some of the time, and yes, I do inhale.

My point is that hardware specs don't generally change within a single generation, so I would be concerned if they bucked the trend just for a bigger drive and an HDMI port. All bets are off after that.

[Slack3r78]

Only some of the time, and yes, I do inhale.

My point is that hardware specs don't generally change within a single generation, so I would be concerned if they bucked the trend just for a bigger drive and an HDMI port. All bets are off after that.
Personally, I can't think of a reason why Microsoft would create a new SKU with an internal HD-DVD drive, driving up their costs overall when the external HD-DVD drive is selling relatively well and likely making them more money.

[lockwoodx]

Let's look at the facts here - Microsoft would be offering a console which, by all objective reports we've seen, is very similar to the PS3 in power with full HD outputs and double the hard drive capacity of Sony's highest tier model which is still over $100 more expensive.

Sounds like a shrewd move to me and a prime example of how Microsoft has Sony by the balls when it comes to pricing this generation.


Bingo! I'd accually consider getting my first "next gen" console if this happened.

[Aequitas]

ok, for me the big thing is the new, large HDD. I wouldn't mind purchasing one stand-alone, and swapping it out with my current one .... but i wanna know if there's gonna be a way to transfer all my files from one to the other ... that's my big worry at this point.

And no, i don't want to buy 3rd party gadgets to do it.

[Shjinta]

You already bought the product. MS isn't really obligated to upgrade you for free.

It's like buying any other piece of electronics equipment.

Yeah Looks like if this thing releases I'm moding my system screw MS!!!

[Johan]

Won't work, this is a different SKU. You won't be able to exchange previous versions of 360s for the new one.

Misunderstanding.

Trade in your 360 for money....just prior to public knowledge of the newer iteration being released. Take that money, and dump it into the newer iteration.

It requires a mole to give you advance warning of the newer version going to retail, or just dumb luck in timing.

OR, do it now, and live without a 360 for a few months!

In no way do I think a "swap" or "exchange" would happen anywhere. Rather, you sell your old console (trade it) and buy the new one. Might save a hundred bucks.

[Schnoogs]

Misunderstanding.

Trade in your 360 for money....just prior to public knowledge of the newer iteration being released. Take that money, and dump it into the newer iteration.

It requires a mole to give you advance warning of the newer version going to retail, or just dumb luck in timing.

OR, do it now, and live without a 360 for a few months!

I thought he misunderstood you....I tried to point that out to him a few posts back

Your idea isn't half bad...so whats the trade in value these days?

[Nadreck]

Here's my bet, if the rumor has any validity: premium becomes the new core, this becomes the new premium, and they offer 120gb hard drives for sale as a replacement for the current drives (let's not forget, the hard drive is replaceable... you don't have to buy a whole new system if all you're looking for is more space).

[bapenguin]

I don't understand why people are bitching. This isn't anything different having a revision of some sort of hardware come out. It's pretty common place in consumer electronics. See the Nintendo Gameboy line, the Apple iPod line or hell, even AV Receivers, DVD Players and TVs. They have shit that comes out YEARLY with new features.

[civil_dead]

Can't any of my news posts not digress into pissing matches?

Seriously, I have a horrible record. All I cause is bitterness and strife! :(

[KingGorilla]

Having already compared Microsoft's Next Gen strategy to that of Hitler's Strategy in Europe...will Xbox 360 1.5 be their Stalingrad?

[Johan]

...whats the trade in value these days?

I don't know...I saw a used core system (no HDD) at EBGames for $269.00. If you keep your hard drive, you might get $150 for it.

You'd have to sell it before the newer version is released, as the value will undoubtedly go down. Might be worth doing in April!??

Can't any of my news posts not digress into pissing matches?

Seriously, I have a horrible record. All I cause is bitterness and strife! :(

For such a civil person, you cause a lot of death! ;)

Don't blame yourself. Blame mightbe!

I don't understand why people are bitching.

It's the American way! :D

[civil_dead]

For such a civil person, you cause a lot of death! ;)
For someone who should be enjoying $3000 sewing machine sex, you seem to have a lot of posting time! :p

[Schnoogs]

I don't understand why people are bitching. This isn't anything different having a revision of some sort of hardware come out. It's pretty common place in consumer electronics. See the Nintendo Gameboy line, the Apple iPod line or hell, even AV Receivers, DVD Players and TVs. They have shit that comes out YEARLY with new features.

Consoles historically though havent seen this same lifecycle...usually the only changes are to the price. We dont usually see "features" added.

I think in this case people were complaining about the absence of a larger HD and digital out before the 360 even launched. So most of us bought them thinking we would get digital out the next generation...so its frustrating seeing MS change the specs of their current console offering features we wanted when the console was first sold.

[Jack B]

I wonder if early adopters will cry foul?[/I]

I bought a 360 on day 2 in November of 2005. I've never understood why in the hell anyone would cry foul when a piece of electronics gets a lower price later, or is faster, or has a bigger hard drive or ram or IO speed, of blah blah blah.

People who cry foul are idiots in my book, but then again when you sell to a young demographic you get a lot of fucked up logic. I don't care whether it's Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Mitsubishi, Harmon Kardon, Toshiba, Apple etc. Electronics are supposed to get better and cheaper over time.

I bought an 8088 back in 1984 with a 10mb hard drive from Radio Shack. I'm SOOOOO fucking pissed, that you can buy something much better today for less money. I got fucked.

[Schnoogs]

I bought a 360 on day 2 in November of 2005. I've never understood why in the hell anyone would cry foul when a piece of electronics gets a lower price later, or is faster, or has a bigger hard drive or ram or IO speed, of blah blah blah.

People who cry foul are idiots in my book, but then again when you sell to a young demographic you get a lot of fucked up logic.

I bought an 8088 back in 1984 with a 10mb hard drive from Radio Shack. I'm SOOOOO fucking pissed, that you can buy something much better today for less money. I got fucked.

You call them idiots but at least they understand that consoles are usually FIXED in their features which is the whole point of a console so that developers know exactly what to program for.

In this case digital out doesnt affect development BUT it still can be frustrating to those who wanted that feature from day one but decided to buy anyways because history has shown that consoles rarely change other than price and possibly form factor (smaller).

Your post is funny because you apply concepts that historically are not applicable to consoles :rolleyes:

[Zanzibar]

$479? No way. Unless this new uber-version comes with built-in HD-DVD.

[FullTilt]

there will not be a 360 with an hd dvd drive built in
Why not? As long as the games remained on DVD it wouldn't be a problem.

[Johan]

For someone who should be enjoying $3000 sewing machine sex, you seem to have a lot of posting time! :p

Oh SNAP! I've been pwn3d! :D

[MasterKwan]

I'm with Jack B. Tradition? That's a joke right? A console's no different than a DVD player or stereo. I'm happy that Microsoft's bringing out a new one. I'm looking forward to it. Early adopters have nothing to complain about. They got what they paid for and a new SKU changes nothing. Developers won't give a shit because to them, nothing will have changed. It's the same old 360 to them.

I'm going to pony up and buy one of these things as soon as it comes out. I'd love to play some co-up Vegas on two HDTV's with my kid. It'll give me an excuse to buy an HDTV with an HDMI interface.

[Jack B]

You call them idiots but at least they understand that consoles are usually FIXED in their features which is the whole point of a console so that developers know exactly what to program for.

In this case digital out doesnt affect development BUT it still can be frustrating to those who wanted that feature from day one but decided to buy anyways because history has shown that consoles rarely change other than price and possibly form factor (smaller).

Your post is funny because you apply concepts that historically are not applicable to consoles :rolleyes:

My son and daughter spent the majority of their adolescent and high school years saying, "WAAAAAhhhh, that's not fair". It was all about them and making sure, no other kid got something better. The younger the kid, the worse it is. I expect it that from kids. Most adults grow out of it. I repeat, most.

Making console gamers happy, must be one of the most thankless jobs imaginable. I can't think of one other group of consumers, that's spends as much of their lives bitching as console owners. Makes me want to go back to being a PC gamer.

I spend $9 on a single Margarita at a bar and come home and see 250 posts that a piece of downloadable content was $1 more expensive than it should be or that someone who buys the same console 18 months later gets a quieter console with better components and a lower price.

Cry me a river...

[Schnoogs]

I'm with Jack B. Tradition? That's a joke right? A console's no different than a DVD player or stereo. I'm happy that Microsoft's bringing out a new one. I'm looking forward to it. Early adopters have nothing to complain about. They got what they paid for and a new SKU changes nothing. Developers won't give a shit because to them, nothing will have changed. It's the same old 360 to them.

I'm going to pony up and buy one of these things as soon as it comes out. I'd love to play some co-up Vegas on two HDTV's with my kid. It'll give me an excuse to buy an HDTV with an HDMI interface.

Jack Bs example included changing the specs...you agree with that? :confused:

So if tomorrow MS decided to add a PPU and all new games take advantage of it and the interface is not abstracted in any way so current 360 owners are literally shit of luck you would support that decision?

Interesting.

[DangerousDaze]

If you're happy to throw your old console away and buy a new one every year just to keep up, good for you. Seriously.

Personally I'd rather pay once. Remind me again who's the idiot?

[Schnoogs]

My son and daughter spent the majority of their adolescent and high school years saying, "WAAAAAhhhh, that's not fair". It was all about them and making sure, no other kid got something better. The younger the kid, the worse it is. I expect it that from kids. Most adults grow out of it. I repeat, most.

Making console gamers happy, must be one of the most thankless jobs imaginable. I can't think of one other group of consumers, that's spends as much of their lives bitching as console owners. Makes me want to go back to being a PC gamer.

I spend $9 on a single Margarita at a bar and come home and see 250 posts that a piece of downloadable content was $1 more expensive than it should be or that someone who buys the same console 18 months later gets a quieter console with better components and a lower price.

Cry me a river...


So you think only kids understand and appreciatte why consoles keep their specs the same for an entire generation so as to keep developers from having to guess what to develop for?

Do you even remotely understand the console business model at all and how they differ from open platforms like PCs which are more analogous to what you described?

[Schnoogs]

If you're happy to throw your old console away and buy a new one every year just to keep up, good for you. Seriously.

Personally I'd rather pay once. Remind me again who's the idiot?


QFT!!

Jack B doesn't seem to understand that the console model has always been about one company creating hardware that conforms to a rigid set of specs so that developers NEVER EVER have to guess what the gamer has or defensively program against hundreds of combinations of hardware, etc.

Thats the PC model.

[TrackZero]

Cry me a river...

High-five!

[TrackZero]

I thought he misunderstood you....I tried to point that out to him a few posts back


Maybe Johan will give you a gold banana sticker, after you rock talk.

[TrackZero]

So if tomorrow MS decided to add a PPU and all new games take advantage of it and the interface is not abstracted in any way so current 360 owners are literally shit of luck you would support that decision?

Interesting.

Now you're discussing a change to the core way the games themselves perform/play, that's a change to the games themselves, and doesn't apply in the argument being made.

[Jack B]

Jack Bs example included changing the specs...you agree with that? :confused:

So if tomorrow MS decided to add a PPU and all new games take advantage of it and the interface is not abstracted in any way so current 360 owners are literally shit of luck you would support that decision?

Interesting.

Schnoogs, come on. They haven't even officially announced the improved 360 yet, let alone a single game, that would run on it and not on an launch 360.

I expect there may be some day, but given that most console gamers only buy 1 out of 15 games manufactured or less, what are the odds it will be one, that you even want to buy?

Man, chill out and relax. If you take the plunge and buy a PS3 or a 360 or a Wii, you should probably want it to remain competitive in the marketplace, so even if there was a game in the next 12 months, that cached 30gb's of code to the hard drive and was HDMI only (fat chance) you'd have to have 4 things happen.

1. You'd have to have an HDMI tv. Not likely for most.
2. It would have to ONLY support HDMI.
3. The game would have to "only" support free hard drive space larger than 13gb's. Also not that likely.
4. It would have to be a game you gave a rat's ass about. Given the 360 has 160 games out, most owners don't own more than 10, that's one if 15.

Thus, it's likely a 1 in 15 shot or worse, that you'd have a scenario where this really effected you.

Welcome to the Internet. Let's all start bitching now.

And lastly, all of this is likely counter balanced by the fact it makes the 360 brand more compelling, which could cause more sales, which would make an MSG4 or some other game a better bet to make it to the 360.

Thus it ends up being a good thing. The PS3 will see improvements too. It's good for everyone. The sky is not falling. God people quit your damn whining and think outside the box.

[TrackZero]

QFT!!

Jack B doesn't seem to understand that the console model has always been about one company creating hardware that conforms to a rigid set of specs so that developers NEVER EVER have to guess what the gamer has or defensively program against hundreds of combinations of hardware, etc.

Thats the PC model.

Good to see you continue talking shit about other people to other posters, instead of directly. Perhaps you should go modify your profile, because you sure as shit weren't born in 1976 (and if you were, that's just scary).

[Jack B]

So you think only kids understand and appreciatte why consoles keep their specs the same for an entire generation so as to keep developers from having to guess what to develop for?

Do you even remotely understand the console business model at all and how they differ from open platforms like PCs which are more analogous to what you described?

Read my post above about how unlikely it is this would even effect you in any negative way, other than some other kid getting a better 360 than you.

[Schnoogs]

Read my post above about how unlikely it is this would even effect you in any negative way, other than some other kid getting a better 360 than you.

You should have posted that to begin with...your first few posts were quite a bit different hence my reaction.

[Schnoogs]

Now you're discussing a change to the core way the games themselves perform/play, that's a change to the games themselves, and doesn't apply in the argument being made.


Here's a few quotes so you look less like a troll and more like a participate in this conversation.

is faster, or has a bigger hard drive or ram or IO speed, of blah blah blah.

I bought an 8088 back in 1984 with a 10mb hard drive from Radio Shack. I'm SOOOOO fucking pissed, that you can buy something much better today for less money

Both of these quotes include different specs.

pwnage anyone? ;)

[EternalGamer]

I think that complaining about additional features being added to a game console that have no effect on the compatibility or performance of the console as a game machine is pretty petty.

Nevertheless, I think this price hike on the new version, if true, is a bad move for MS. They need to be moving in the opposite direction. This upgrade model should, at the least, just become the standard $399 version, not a more expensive one. Unlike what some in this thread seem to think, it is MS that has the uphill battle. It is absurd to assume that their domination this round is inevitable, especially considering that in terms of sales the PS3 has sold more units in the three months it has been on the market than the 360 did the first 3 months it was available, despite the lackluster press and absence of killer app software. It will only pick up steam from here. MS needs to keep playing to that price advantage as heavily as they can if they really want to stay competitive.

[Schnoogs]

I think that complaining about additional features being added to a game console that have no effect on the compatibility or performance of the consoel as a game machine is pretty petty..

Unless MS creates a situation where noone wants to early adopt or buy the first year because they KNOW that MS will release models with even cooler bells and whistles the next year.

Well without the early adopters the install base will be smaller and could possibly affect developer interest.

I personally like the only changes to a console to be its price, its reliability and its form factor. But thats just my opinion.

I could not care less if the maker of my car changes the specs the next year because the roads I drive on will still be there regardless of the adoption rate of my car ;)

[MajSheppard]

uh Zephers are never black. Check your dictionaries.

[EternalGamer]

Unless MS creates a situation where noone wants to early adopt or buy the first year because they KNOW that MS will release models with even cooler bells and whistles the next year.

Well without the early adopters the install base will be smaller and could possibly affect developer interest.

I personally like the only changes to a console to be its price, its reliability and its form factor. But thats just my opinion.

I could care less if the maker of my car changes the specs the next year because the roads I drive on will still be there regardless of the adoption rate of my car ;)

But the changes do not effect its performance [i] as a game machine[i/] so I'm not sure why this is a problem. It is not like the new model will play Gears of War better or something. As for the early adopters, they get what earlier adopters always get--the instant gratification of owning cutting edge and the ability to enjoy ownership of the console for a longer period of time before the next generation of systems come out. If you ask me paying $400 for a systme that you enjoy for 5 years is a lot better deal than waiting to buy it when it is a $99 system that will only have new software for 1 more year.

[Schnoogs]

But the changes do not effect its performance [i] as a game machine[i/] so I'm not sure why this is a problem. It is not like the new model will play Gears of War better or something. As for the early adopters, they get what earlier adopters always get--the instant gratification of owning cutting edge and the ability to enjoy ownership of the console for a longer period of time before the next generation of systems come out. If you ask me paying $400 for a systme that you enjoy for 5 years is a lot better deal than waiting to buy it when it is a $99 system that will only have new software for 1 more year.

Let me just say this...and I speak for two of my friends who also wrestled with the same decision...if I had known that the 360 would eventually get an HDMI jack I would have waited.

Maybe I speak for 1% of the current install base but what if some other feature gets 25% of the prospective buyers to hold off. That changes the console war dramatically and could swing developers in other directions.

I think its worked well for the console to have static specs...

[DarkDaY]

YOu don't understand why people, who have already spent $400 on a console, would be upset that its being replaced with a newer model that offers features that are very applealing and weren't available upon launch???

Wow...I guess you think everyone just has $400 sitting around collecting dust. I for one could really use the HDMI out and not having it on my current 360 has resulted in frustration since I now have to use my 360 on a TV in the other room. If it simply had HDMI or DVI out I could use it on the display I have all of my other devices hooked up to.

Noone is sayign that they are going to go postal over this but for some of us its like rubbing salt in the wound...while I'm making do with a less than desireable setup at home I now get to see a replacement that would work PERFECTLY with my setup but is gonna cost me another $400. Should i just chuck my old 360?!?!?!? I don't have that kind of cash. :rolleyes:

you dont have that kind of cash? well, for someone who is complaining about how they could really use the hdmi, i find that rather entertaining
a tv with hdmi is a luxury item.
If people are spending that kind of money on an item like that and not taking into account the fact that they might not have the ability to hook up to future products they buy then it makes me think they have a lot of money and/or didnt think their purchace through. (impulse buy?)
perhaps spending out of their range to begin with?
if you dont like it dont buy it. If you had to ask the price, you couldnt afford it.
products change, business plans change/evolove. how are you not used to this.
im constantly upgrading my comp, but i dont scream and bitch on forums that i cant crank my shit up anymore after a year, i make sure i have the $ so i can continue to be on the top of my fav trend and hobbie.
by the time its out it will be around 17 18 months later after launch, that to me is fair and im stoked for it.
if you want it that bad or feel you *need it* then you can always save up for it.
i dont *need it* my 360 works great.
i *want it* so i will get it.

start saving or not.
the games will still play the same.
and sorry for your decsion on your tv, i can hook up many many things all types shapes and sizes.
yay me.

[MasterKwan]

By the definition of "Early Adopter" that's a mighty unlikely scenario. Real early adopters have money to burn and probably think nothing about cycling consoles to get the latest and greatest. I'm not an early adopter but, I work hard enough that buying another $500 console because I like the color better's a perfectly acceptable choice for me.

The only reason any company keeps these things under their hats is because, if it became common knowledge that a better one was coming, it would kill sales of the old version till the new one came out. My guess is when this new one comes out, there's going to be a rush to buy, not as strong as the initial release but, a boost nonetheless.

I'm happy that Microsoft continues to improve my favorite console. More power to them.

As for a price break. Why bother? They're already far cheaper than their primary rival. When the PS3 comes down in price to match the current 360 (which will be at least a year or more) then you'll see a nice price cut from Msoft.

[Schnoogs]

you dont have that kind of cash? well, for someone who is complaining about how they could really use the hdmi, i find that rather entertaining
a tv with hdmi is a luxury item.
If people are spending that kind of money on an item like that and not taking into account the fact that they might not have the ability to hook up to future products they buy then it makes me think they have a lot of money and/or didnt think their purchace through. (impulse buy?)
perhaps spending out of their range to begin with?
if you dont like it dont buy it. If you had to ask the price, you couldnt afford it.
products change, business plans change/evolove. how are you not used to this.
im constantly upgrading my comp, but i dont scream and bitch on forums that i cant crank my shit up anymore after a year, i make sure i have the $ so i can continue to be on the top of my fav trend and hobbie.
by the time its out it will be around 17 18 months later after launch, that to me is fair and im stoked for it.
if you want it that bad or feel you *need it* then you can always save up for it.
i dont *need it* my 360 works great.
i *want it* so i will get it.

start saving or not.
the games will still play the same.
and sorry for your decsion on your tv, i can hook up many many things all types shapes and sizes.
yay me.


what
is up
with
your strange sentence
wraps?

[Schnoogs]

By the definition of "Early Adopter" that's a mighty unlikely scenario. Real early adopters have money to burn and probably think nothing about cycling consoles to get the latest and greatest. I'm not an early adopter but, I work hard enough that buying another $500 console because I like the color better's a perfectly acceptable choice for me.

The only reason any company keeps these things under their hats is because, if it became common knowledge that a better one was coming, it would kill sales of the old version till the new one came out. My guess is when this new one comes out, there's going to be a rush to buy, not as strong as the initial release but, a boost nonetheless.

I'm happy that Microsoft continues to improve my favorite console. More power to them.

As for a price break. Why bother? They're already far cheaper than their primary rival. When the PS3 comes down in price to match the current 360 (which will be at least a year or more) then you'll see a nice price cut from Msoft.

Early adopters on consoles usually only end up with more expensive and buggy hardware...historically they get the same features and specs as the guy who waits two years.

I cant think of one console I've owned before where I really wanted the 2nd or 3rd rev because of some feature it had other than the cheaper price tag or improved manufacturing quality.

There might have been..I just cant think of one.

[Paranoia]

Us late adopters very much welcome this news.

Screw those whiny early adopters! :D

It pays to wait!

[DarkDaY]

what i find interesting is that nowadays in the console market, it dosent really seem like there are really early adopters anymore.
almost all of my clients have bought a 360, they had the ps2 before, and they dont care about the ps3 yet.
they are not hardcore gamers, just average joe gamers and they bought on day one, or when they could get thier hands on one.
most could care less about the upgrade or even really what it means,
they just wanted the games.
I think we are just a handful and will not sway the market nor will we kill a consoles life buy opting to wait and see, they will be bought and their are many more casual gamers with cash then us.
I think it will go largely unnoticed but the average consumer that just wants to grab a 360.
if ones black and ones white i think that will make the biggest difference to the masses, not the hd or hdmi.

[Schnoogs]

Us late adopters very much welcome this news.

Screw those whiny early adopters! :D

It pays to wait!


It would seem so this time around...unfamiliar territory for a console.

Now I'm glad I've waited on the Ps3 and Wii. In a year or two who knows what more I can get...I just hope the PS3 is still a viable platform by then ;)

[DarkDaY]

what
is up
with
your strange sentence
wraps?
bah, you understood it, just didnt have anything else to say other then pick the structure of my interweb writing apart.
classic ea retort.

(i just write whats on my mind and assume your smart enough to break it up your self. just gettin my thoughts out...bored)

[rjcc]

Only some of the time, and yes, I do inhale.

My point is that hardware specs don't generally change within a single generation, so I would be concerned if they bucked the trend just for a bigger drive and an HDMI port. All bets are off after that.

you didn't have an xbox or a ps2?

the xbox hard drive space was all over the place, the ps2 added progressive scan dvd playback, dropped ieee 1394 ports, dropped hard drive expansion slot, added integrated ethernet adapter, etc.

gamecube dropped 480p output

hardware specs change all the time.

[Schnoogs]

bah, you understood it, just didnt have anything else to say other then pick a the structure of my interweb writing apart.
classic ea retort.

(i just write whats on my mind and assume your smart enough to break it up your self. just gettin my thoughts out...bored)

That was
really the only
thing worth commenting
on...

[Schnoogs]

you didn't have an xbox or a ps2?

the xbox hard drive space was all over the place, the ps2 added progressive scan dvd playback, dropped ieee 1394 ports, dropped hard drive expansion slot, added integrated ethernet adapter, etc.

gamecube dropped 480p output

hardware specs change all the time.

Noone is gonna complain about a dropped feature!! ;)

You just ignore that component...its when they add something that a problem arises.

Plus wasnt there an EXTERNAL ethernet adapter for those first gen owners ;)

[DarkDaY]

That was
really the only
thing worth commenting
on...

lol, and again.

heres a tip, shop smarter, or work harder.
people shouldnt complain about luxury items that they have bought, its plain silly

but then, that just my opinion.

[Schnoogs]

lol, and again.

heres a tip, shop smarter, or work harder.
people shouldnt complain about luxury items that they have bought, its plain silly

but then, that just my opinion.

A 360 is a luxury item?

[rjcc]

It would seem so this time around...unfamiliar territory for a console.

Now I'm glad I've waited on the Ps3 and Wii. In a year or two who knows what more I can get...I just hope the PS3 is still a viable platform by then ;)

once again, lies.

late adopters-- like myself, on the xbox and ps2 got much improved consoles.

the only time late adopters really got screwed was on the gamecube dropping 480p, and at least at the time I got my dreamcast, it wasn't able to be modded because it was a later revision, I dunno if anyone got around that since then.

[Schnoogs]

once again, lies.

late adopters-- like myself, on the xbox and ps2 got much improved consoles.

the only time late adopters really got screwed was on the gamecube dropping 480p, and at least at the time I got my dreamcast, it wasn't able to be modded because it was a later revision, I dunno if anyone got around that since then.

Lies...huh? Are you saying that I didnt wait to get a PS3 and a Wii??? I guess I fooled myself! ;)


You couldnt have bought a used one with 480p instead of the new one? :rolleyes:

[DarkDaY]

A 360 is a luxury item?

well, i dont know what world you live in, but yes, it is.
so is the ps3, a tv let alone one over a grand.
these are not things you need to live.
they are luxury items, they are entertainment.

what was confusing about that?

[rjcc]

Noone is gonna complain about a dropped feature!! ;)

You just ignore that component...its when they add something that a problem arises.

Plus wasnt there an EXTERNAL ethernet adapter for those first gen owners ;)

?? He said hardware specs don't change within a single generation, which is entirely untrue, and wasn't true going back as far as the NES. thats what I was responding to.

changes of any type, alienate a particular group of owners, and potentially their expectations for the console. I was pretty pissed when they came out with the slim ps2 and it became obvious the hard drive would never have any good -- legitimate -- use, as was promised originally.

it's always happened.

[rjcc]

Lies...huh? Are you saying that I didnt wait to get a PS3 and a Wii??? I guess I fooled myself! ;)


You couldnt have bought a used one with 480p instead of the new one? :rolleyes:

no, you lied saying that late adopters got better options, and that that was a change. it's not a change from anything.

You can keep trying to change the subject, but you arrumptions have been wrong from the beginning.

[Schnoogs]

well, i dont know what world you live in, but yes, it is.
so is the ps3, a tv let alone one over a grand.
these are not things you need to live.
they are luxury items, they are entertainment.

what was confusing about that?

Luxury items in this day and age are Bentleys and yachts....beachside mansions and penthouse suites.

I know people living in double wide trailers that own 360's.

Are you saying that we cant be critical of anything unless we need it to survive?? Wow...I dont expect to see you contribute much to a forum about GAMING.

[Schnoogs]

no, you lied saying that late adopters got better options, and that that was a change. it's not a change from anything.

You can keep trying to change the subject, but you arrumptions have been wrong from the beginning.

Thats not a lie...wow...late adopters can buy previous models where as early adopters cant time travel to the future...well maybe you can ;) How is that a lie???? :rolleyes:

What subject have I tried to change? I've been talking about the same thing the whole thread so good luck showing how I changed the topic.

[Schnoogs]

I was pretty pissed when they came out with the slim ps2 and it became obvious the hard drive would never have any good -- legitimate -- use, as was promised originally.

it's always happened.

Then buy a used one...you have that choice.

[DarkDaY]

Luxury items in this day and age are Bentleys and yachts....beachside mansions and penthouse suites.

I know people living in double wide trailers that own 360's.

Are you saying that we cant be critical of anything unless we need it to survive?? Wow...I dont expect to see you contribute much to a forum about GAMING.
heh, now this is the problem with the world. people who think like that.
i know this guy,
or he has that.
like you should get too too?

you can know everyone in the world who has one, that does not make it any less of a luxury item. that would mean the world is doing much better as a whole.
if you dont need it to live then it is a luxury item.

be critical all you want, and ill be critical of you whinning.
pull your panties up and get a better job if you want it.
pretty simple to me.
o, and ..uh, ya, just my opinion. :)

[Schnoogs]

heh, now this is the problem with the world. people who think like that.
i know this guy,
or he has that.
like you should get too too?

you can know everyone in the world who has one, that does not make it any less of a luxury item. that would mean the world is doing much better as a whole.
if you dont need it to live then it is a luxury item.

be critical all you want, and ill be critical of you whinning.
pull your panties up and get a better job if you want it.
pretty simple to me.
o, and ..uh, ya, just my opinion. :)

Are you for real? :p

[DarkDaY]

Then buy a used one...you have that choice.

and you have a choice to wait and buy a new one or not at all.
but complaining about it isnt going to magically enhance your 360.

well, thats it for me, have fun.
i know i will when i give mine to my bro and get me a shinny new one.
everyone wins!

[jpublic]

I wouldn't mind a bigger HD, if the event ever comes that I run out of space (I've DL'd about 10 XBLA games and it still says 13GB), but my only real concern otherwise is how the hell do you transfer your HD data over to the new drive? I wouldn't want to lose all those save games.

[DarkDaY]

Are you for real? :p

are you? :D

[Schnoogs]

and you have a choice to wait and buy a new one or not at all.
but complaining about it isnt going to magically enhance your 360.

well, thats it for me, have fun.
i know i will when i give mine to my bro and get me a shinny new one.
everyone wins!

Thank god we're free to discuss what we want here...you see it as complaining the rest of us think of it as sharing our opinions in a discussion.

[DarkDaY]

Thank god we're free to discuss what we want here...you see it as complaining the rest of us think of it as sharing our opinions in a discussion.
o sorry, didnt realize you spoke for everyone.
i liked and read the other posts,
yours was the only one that came off to me as whinning.
welcome to the interweb.
o, and i was sharing my opinion, read back, you will see. ;)

[Banacek]

Jesus this thread went to shit.

[TrackZero]

Here's a few quotes so you look less like a troll and more like a participate in this conversation.

Both of these quotes include different specs.

pwnage anyone? ;)

That entire self-conversation you just had made no sense to the rest of humanity. Join us once you get it together.

[TrackZero]

Jesus this thread went to shit.

All thanks to one poster. Do you believe in magic?

[ECM]

Especially silly when you can't even tell the difference between HDMI and component in side by side tests.


Except for those of us that can tell there's a clear difference between the two...

[Schnoogs]

Except for those of us that can tell there's a clear difference between the two...

Maybe this will prompt TrackZero to troll you across multiple threads...

[VenomUSMC]

Luxury items in this day and age are Bentleys and yachts....beachside mansions and penthouse suites.

I know people living in double wide trailers that own 360's.

Are you saying that we cant be critical of anything unless we need it to survive?? Wow...I dont expect to see you contribute much to a forum about GAMING.
A 360 is a luxury item. Would you die if you didn't have a gaming machine? You know you can play outside....
I'm glad the people in the double wide trailers can afford a 360, good for them. That doesn't mean gaming machines aren't luxury items....
Luxury - Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
Is a 360 essential? Not in the world I live in... neither is a PS 3, Wii, or any gaming machine. How did people survive prior to gaming machines? Friends, sports, etc..

[Schnoogs]

A 360 is a luxury item. Would you die if you didn't have a gaming machine? You know you can play outside....
I'm glad the people in the double wide trailers can afford a 360, good for them. That doesn't mean gaming machines aren't luxury items....
Luxury - Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
Is a 360 essential? Not in the world I live in... neither is a PS 3, Wii, or any gaming machine. How did people survive prior to gaming machines? Friends, sports, etc..

Way to over analyze the least important point in this whole thread.

you wont find a single person in this forum who thinks video games are essential to life.

But clearly, by your presence in this forum, you think video games are at least worth discussing otherwise you're a hypocrite.

[VenomUSMC]

Way to over analyze the least important point in this whole thread.

you wont find a single person in this forum who thinks video games are essential to life.

But clearly, by your presence in this forum, you think video games are at least worth discussing otherwise you're a hypocrite.
You said that a 360 was not a luxury item did you not?
Sure I enjoy to discuss tech/games, however I realize that it's not important and really just about luxury items. If I discuss a Bentley does that make it any less of a luxury? Nope.

[Zeal]

It's real. It also uses the new unflashable Pioneer drive. Firmware is hardcoded.

A 360 is a luxury item. Would you die if you didn't have a gaming machine? You know you can play outside....
I'm glad the people in the double wide trailers can afford a 360, good for them. That doesn't mean gaming machines aren't luxury items....
Luxury - Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
Is a 360 essential? Not in the world I live in... neither is a PS 3, Wii, or any gaming machine. How did people survive prior to gaming machines? Friends, sports, etc..
Then get the fuck off a gaming site, dumb shit. It's like walking into a KKK meeting while blasting rap.

[TrackZero]

Except for those of us that can tell there's a clear difference between the two...

I've seen both, on huge screens, they're 99.5% identical. If you're even on a 52" or below, you can't even tell the difference.

[TrackZero]

Maybe this will prompt TrackZero to troll you across multiple threads...

No, he didn't call me names and start accusations and not bother to apologize.

[Zeal]

I'm almost obsessive compulsive when it comes to picture quality and even I can't tell a difference.

[TrackZero]

I'm almost obsessive compulsive when it comes to picture quality and even I can't tell a difference.

Don't bother with logic Zeal. Some people just like to speculate about things they haven't experienced and assume they're correct.

[J3DI]

I wanted to leave a comment on the topic, but it seems that the topic has died :( Poor topic... I never got a chance to know you. I hope you're doing okay where ever you are (that place where topics go when they die).

*Takes a moment of silence for the topic*

[LilAbner]

Sneaky if it's true -it's $20 US cheaper than the lower-end PS3. I wonder if early adopters will cry foul?

As long as they release a bigger HDD for the older units, I won't cry foul. HDMI means nothing to me since my TV doesn't have it and honestly, it's hard to tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p on HDTVs smaller than 40" (I work at Best Buy and see both every day).

EDIT: I just saw the previous posts on this topic. LOL. 1080p is a total waste in this day and age because you won't see broadcasts in that resolution for at least four years. Of course, you can fork over $500 for a PS3 and watch Blue-Ray discs, but then you'd be retarded.

[bapenguin]

Consoles historically though havent seen this same lifecycle...usually the only changes are to the price. We dont usually see "features" added.

I think in this case people were complaining about the absence of a larger HD and digital out before the 360 even launched. So most of us bought them thinking we would get digital out the next generation...so its frustrating seeing MS change the specs of their current console offering features we wanted when the console was first sold.

I beg to differ. They just come in different forms.

Sega Genesis -> CD -> 32x
Nintendo 64 -> Nintendo 64 w/ Memory Pack
Playstation -> PSOne
Playstation 2 -> PS2 Slim -> PS2 Slim with Network Adapter
Gameboy Advance -> SP -> Micro

[bapenguin]

EDIT: I just saw the previous posts on this topic. LOL. 1080p is a total waste in this day and age because you won't see broadcasts in that resolution for at least four years. Of course, you can fork over $500 for a PS3 and watch Blue-Ray discs, but then you'd be retarded.

You may never see TV broadcasts in 1080p. Right now there is a grand total of 1 TV Network that says they plan on adopting it.

[Zeal]

My bad, not Pioneer drive, it's Phillips. Here's a pic of the drive in ZEPHYR.

http://www.360mods.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10005/normal_phillipsf360.jpg

[bean19]

Maybe they'll do a deal where you can turn in your old 360 and get the new one for like $200? Also, I think for this amount they would have to pack in an HD-DVD. Otherwise it would compare poorly to the PS3.

Well, in value. . . the 360 still has more games, but you can buy an affordable version of the system and still play the games.

[VenomUSMC]

Then get the fuck off a gaming site, dumb shit. It's like walking into a KKK meeting while blasting rap.
So your life needs to require games in order to post on this site? You cannot have them as a simple hobby? Awesome.
I do enjoy it how people on these boards get all uptight, it's pretty amusing. Why play games when I can come to threads like this and watch people flip out of their inability to read?

[Zeal]

So your life needs to require games in order to post on this site? You cannot have them as a simple hobby? Awesome.
I do enjoy it how people on these boards get all uptight, it's pretty amusing. Why play games when I can come to threads like this and watch people flip out of their inability to read?
My life requires busting faggoty assed bitches like yourself in the fucking face. I work in the game industry for a living. Does that mean I 'require' games in order to do my job? Your logic is bullshit, just like your attempt to come in and fuckup a thread with completely irrelevant and argumentative statements.

No one said anything about requiring anything, it was the simple fact that you came to a GAME forum with an argument of why do people play games.

Fucking dumbshit.

[Schnoogs]

I beg to differ. They just come in different forms.

Sega Genesis -> CD -> 32x
Nintendo 64 -> Nintendo 64 w/ Memory Pack
Playstation -> PSOne
Playstation 2 -> PS2 Slim -> PS2 Slim with Network Adapter
Gameboy Advance -> SP -> Micro

In the case of the 32X it didn't alianate anyone since it was optional and the games for it were specifically made for it.

The N64 bundled that pack with certain games which proves my point since the developers of those games wanted to be 100% certain that the user had that feature since it wasnt apart of the original spec

The network adapter was also sold in an external form...there is no external HDMI upgrade for the 360

I agree with the handhelds...they do seem to change very frequently I would suspect theres a high degree of buyers remorse for not waiting.

[rein]

So... um... what does everyone think about the new Xbox 360 code named Zephyr if it is true?

[Schnoogs]

No, he didn't call me names and start accusations and not bother to apologize.


I picture you typing this with tears on your cheeks and your mom rubbing your shoulders for support!!

http://www.assassinworks.com/**********

[Schnoogs]

As long as they release a bigger HDD for the older units, I won't cry foul. HDMI means nothing to me since my TV doesn't have it and honestly, it's hard to tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p on HDTVs smaller than 40" (I work at Best Buy and see both every day).

EDIT: I just saw the previous posts on this topic. LOL. 1080p is a total waste in this day and age because you won't see broadcasts in that resolution for at least four years. Of course, you can fork over $500 for a PS3 and watch Blue-Ray discs, but then you'd be retarded.


Clueless...HDDVDS and BluRay discs are 1080p. :rolleyes:

[toob_ninja]

I'll cry foul all the way to the store and buy the damn thing anyway. Anyone want to buy a slightly (heavily) used 360. Real cheap...I'll throw in a puppy!

[Paranoia]

So... um... what does everyone think about the new Xbox 360 code named Zephyr if it is true?

Mass market will cry foul. Zephyr is too hard to spell.

[sprankton]

In the case of the 32X it didn't alianate anyone since it was optional and the games for it were specifically made for it.

The N64 bundled that pack with certain games which proves my point since the developers of those games wanted to be 100% certain that the user had that feature since it wasnt apart of the original spec

The network adapter was also sold in an external form...there is no external HDMI upgrade for the 360

I agree with the handhelds...they do seem to change very frequently I would suspect theres a high degree of buyers remorse for not waiting.


The HDMI would be the only "internal" feature on the newest xbox 360. I have no reason to think that would warrant many purchases from people who already own a 360. The 120 gig HD will be available to buy off the shelf.

This is no big deal and if anyone feels cheated, then I feel sorry for that person.

[Slack3r78]

In the case of the 32X it didn't alianate anyone since it was optional and the games for it were specifically made for it.

The N64 bundled that pack with certain games which proves my point since the developers of those games wanted to be 100% certain that the user had that feature since it wasnt apart of the original spec

The network adapter was also sold in an external form...there is no external HDMI upgrade for the 360

I agree with the handhelds...they do seem to change very frequently I would suspect theres a high degree of buyers remorse for not waiting.
But HDMI shouldn't affect whether or not games can run on the system. If anything, I think it'd be something handled entirely at the system level.

The underlying CPU, GPU, memory, and I/O subsystem all remain the same, meaning there's no real difference to developers and therefore to individual games either.

[Loganrapp]

It's still cheaper than an iPhone.

[DarkDaY]

My life requires busting faggoty assed bitches like yourself in the fucking face. I work in the game industry for a living. Does that mean I 'require' games in order to do my job? Your logic is bullshit, just like your attempt to come in and fuckup a thread with completely irrelevant and argumentative statements.

No one said anything about requiring anything, it was the simple fact that you came to a GAME forum with an argument of why do people play games.

Fucking dumbshit.

the way you talk reminds me of a 12 year old cs player who just got a mic.
and ya, we where chattin about luxury items, but then
guess you might have missed that considering your life requires you to
bust faggoty assed bitches in the fucking face.

Considering you just did what you think he did when do you think youll be gettin around to bustin your self?

right after me?

*awaiting fuck ass faggoty something or other*

to put it back on topic *sorry*
if i hook up this new 360 with hdmi, will it really be that much a difference
over my component?

[f1sh3r]

well i disagree with you. If the original design was indeed what they felt will compete with the ps3, they will be no need to release an upgrade this early. It is like they are patching things up.

so when is it not too early? 5 years? 10 years?

do you people not own cars? or tvs? every year products are refreshed, do you cry because your car doesn't have a cup holder that the new model has? things get refreshed, and guess what, microsoft can update their product whenever they want. the ps3 came out a year after the 360, what they thought would compete then would be irrelevant now. but even if it was and they still want to refresh the product line what business of it is yours or anyone elses? they want to make money, and if putting out a new 360 with a bigger hdd and hdmi does that, why is that not okay?

i know people just like to complain, but geebus. you got 18 months out of your 360 and played some great games, stfu already about being an early adopter. at this point you should be happy MS is just fixing the damn things.

[Zeal]

Considering you just did what you think he did when do you think youll be gettin around to bustin your self?
You guys are letting this place become Gamefaqs.

Supreme influx of Fucktardville in every thread.

[f1sh3r]

Maybe they'll do a deal where you can turn in your old 360 and get the new one for like $200? Also, I think for this amount they would have to pack in an HD-DVD. Otherwise it would compare poorly to the PS3.

Well, in value. . . the 360 still has more games, but you can buy an affordable version of the system and still play the games.

perhaps gamestop will give you some credit towards a new 360.

[Zeal]

Anyway, pictures of the final unit should leak soon, or I'll just post them here as an exclusive. It's chalk gray with a larger harddrive, unflashable drive protection (plus additional security implementations), and supports HDMI.

Edit: Sorry, TXB.

[Jack B]

I just got back from going out dinner on a Saturday night. What did I miss? Is anyone still whining about consoles getting better? Am I supposed to feel like I got fucked, because there may be a newer version of the 360 or can I still feel fucking brilliant for enjoying the hell out of it for the past 14 months?

Let's see, I spent the past 14 months playing my 360 about 5 days a week, that's 300 days of use. If I sell it, I'd probably get about $200 for it, so it's cost me about 66 cents a day to be an early adopter.

Wow, did I get fucked. I didn't realize... :D And to think I was thrilled to be playing with a next gen box for 14 months while everyone else were just waiting. 66 cents a day. I'm so bummed.

Early adopters get to enjoy the hell out of something new and different, while everyone else sits on their ass and watches tv or plays with a PS2 or whatever. It's never been any different. Early adopters of almost anything are in that boat. Maybe they should put this disclamer on every ad for anything ever made....

New and Improved..."Designed to FUCK early adopters". They could use it on cereal, shampoo, anti itch cream.... "Damn, I should have waited. I really needed that anti-itch cream for my balls, but I new I should have waited for the new and improved version. The new and improve version is faster acting and the people, that buy it now get 30% more in every tube. Damn, my balls were really itchy, but I wish I'd waited..." "Whaaaa, that's not fair...".

I didn't get fucked. No one got fucked.

99% of 360 owners probably won't even have a game come out in the next 2 years, that they want to buy, that will be HDMI ONLY and will require so much hard drive space that they need more than the 13gb.

Quit bitching about something, that probably won't even effect you. What if Microsoft comes out with a new hard drive bigger than 20gb as an add on, that you could buy. Then what will you say... Like, Rosanna Rosanna Danna, "Opps, nevermind...".

If they do come out with a bigger hard drive or no games which are HDMI only, that you want, then you'll have wasted tons of your life stressing over this. Oh, I forgot, that's half the fun of being a console gamer. Whining.

Get a grip, man The sky is not falling. I am so glad my kids grew out of the "whaaaaa, it's not fair, he /she got more than me. He's hitting me. He's touching me. No, he touched me first. No hit me first. Whaaaa".

This stuff cracks me up.

[Slack3r78]

You guys are letting this place become Gamefaqs.

Supreme influx of Fucktardville in every thread.
Seconded. Attempting to read that kid's post hurt my head.

[DarkDaY]

I just got back from going out dinner on a Saturday night. What did I miss? Is anyone still whining about consoles getting better? Am I supposed to feel like I got fucked, because there may be a newer version of the 360 or can I still feel fucking brilliant for enjoying the hell out of it for the past 14 months?

Let's see, I spent the past 14 months playing my 360 about 5 days a week, that's 300 days of use. If I sell it, I'd probably get about $200 for it, so it's cost me about 66 cents a day to be an early adopter.

Wow, did I get fucked. I didn't realize... :D And to think I was thrilled to be playing with a next gen box for 14 months while everyone else were just waiting. 50 cents a day. I'm so bummed.

Early adopters get to enjoy the hell out of something new and different, while everyone else sits on their ass and watches tv or plays with a PS2 or whatever. It's never been any different. Early adopters of almost anything are in that boat. Maybe they should put on every ad for anything ever made.

New and Improved..."Designed to FUCK early adopters". They could use it on cereal, shampoo, anti itch cream. Damn, I should have waited. I really needed that anti-itch cream for my balls, but I new I should have waited for the new and improved version. It's faster acting and the people, that buy it now get 30% more in every tube. "Whaaaa, that's not fair...".

I didn't get fucked. No one got fucked.

99% of 360 owners probably won't even have a game come out in the next 2 years, that they want to buy, that will be HDMI ONLY and will require so much hard drive space that they need more than the 13gb.

Quit bitching about something, that probably won't even effect you. What if Microsoft comes out with a new hard drive bigger than 20gb as an add on, that you could buy. Then what will you say... Like, Rosanna Rosanna Danna, "Opps, nevermind...".

If they do come out with a bigger hard drive or no games which are HDMI only, that you want, then you'll have wasted tons of your life stressing over this. Oh, I forgot, that's half the fun of being a console gamer. Whining.

Get a grip, man The sky is not falling. I am so glad my kids grew out of the "whaaaaa, it's not fair, he /she got more than me. He's hitting me. He's touching me. No, he touched me first. No hit me first. Whaaaa".

This stuff cracks me up.

that about sums it up for me.

said best.

[Schnoogs]

But HDMI shouldn't affect whether or not games can run on the system. If anything, I think it'd be something handled entirely at the system level.

The underlying CPU, GPU, memory, and I/O subsystem all remain the same, meaning there's no real difference to developers and therefore to individual games either.

I agree...my issue isnt with the compatibility of this new 360.

It's mostly dissapointment that I'm missing out on this feature since I would put it to good use.

[Banacek]

You guys are letting this place become Gamefaqs.

Supreme influx of Fucktardville in every thread.

Tell me about it. Mods need to step it up with all the influx of people this site has been getting, or else EA is doomed to become Gamefaqs.

[Schnoogs]

This stuff cracks me up.


Your complete misread of what we're even arguing about cracks me up. :p

[Jack B]

Your complete misread of what we're even arguing about cracks me up. :p

Come back when you find a game, that you can't run on a Premium 360, that will run on the New and Improved version.

In the meantime, I'm going back to enjoying the hell out my early adopter machine. I'm soooo fucked. Why didn't I just wait until the Microsoft 720 the Wii Too or the PS4. It will have more stuff. I'm soooo stupid. Damn.

[Schnoogs]

Come back when you find a game, that you can't run on a Premium 360, that will run on the New and Improved version.

And this pretty much verifies that you have no idea what the issue was about!!! :D

Noone was even arguing that!!!! :D Noone in this thread ever said that this new version would result in compatibility issues!!!

[Jack B]

And this pretty much verifies that you have no idea what the issue was about!!! :D

Noone was even arguing that!!!! :D

It's not proof positive of anything, dumbshit. You have some philosophical belief, that a console should never change. Why don't you move to Oregon and start a religion.

You could call it the "Church of the Dumbshits Who Don't Want Things to Change". I'm all in. :rolleyes:

[Schnoogs]

I've stated numerous times that I love it when consoles are made to be cheaper, more reliable and have a smaller form factor.

Looks like you'll be the only member then of that "dumbshit" church!! :p

[Jack B]

I've stated numerous times that I love it when consoles are made to be cheaper, more reliable and have a smaller form factor.

Looks like you'll be the only member then of that "dumbshit" church!! :p

Schnoogs, good to hear you're excited for your first member.... Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't be attending your "Church of the Dumbshits Who Don't Want Things to Change". I'd rather slide down a razor blade soaked in iodine than take you up on your oh so compelling offer. :rolleyes:

Please keep me posted on your progress though, in case I'm ever in Oregon.

[[VSK]BadCRC]

Omg.. so what do us faithful launch day customers do if they release that shit? I'd be on the phone with MS fucking bitching


Don't the launch consoles get like a lifetime warranty?

[TrackZero]

I picture you typing this with tears on your cheeks and your mom rubbing your shoulders for support!!

http://www.assassinworks.com/**********

Hah! Finally, an insult of worth from you. That's better. Don't worry about the apology.

[Slack3r78]

I picture myself with yet another screwdriver in hand, but then, to my horror, I discover that I am out of orange juice.

Woe is me.

[opusdeath]

I agree...my issue isnt with the compatibility of this new 360.

It's mostly dissapointment that I'm missing out on this feature since I would put it to good use.

You say that but I think you were guilty of taking us down the compatibility route with this post -

So if tomorrow MS decided to add a PPU and all new games take advantage of it and the interface is not abstracted in any way so current 360 owners are literally shit of luck you would support that decision?

That does make it sound like your issue is with compatibilty.

Either way so much energy has been wasted arguing over something yet to be confirmed. :confused:

[Xerxes]

you wont find a single person in this forum who thinks video games are essential to life.

Found him...

[Slack3r78]

You say that but I think you were guilty of taking us down the compatibility route with this post -



That does make it sound like your issue is with compatibilty.

Either way so much energy has been wasted arguing over something yet to be confirmed. :confused:
Schnoogs, I love you bro.

But I think you just got owned by the guy with 7 posts. ;)

[Xerxes]

if VenomUSMC is really a marine, that has to be the funniest thing he's ever had said to him...

...busting faggoty assed bitches like yourself in the fucking face...

[Wolvie]

A black 360? Damn it!!! Next thing ya know Nintendo will release a black Wii and I'll cry like a bitch because I like black systems better then the twin white boxes on top of my entertainment system.
Oh well, it's the games that matter...oh fuck that, I WANT BLACK CONSOLES!!!

[Vandenh]

Why do people cry foul when new models come out? Do you cry foul when a new mobile phone comes out? That would be every few months then. Or cry foul when a new PC comes out? Every few weeks I guess? Or cry foul when a new iPod comes out?

Anyway... good new.. I know quite a few of my friends were waiting for a "new" model before buying a 360. I am sure this will sell shitloads more 360s.

[Ilikecapcom]

You noobs, you can't progress!!!! :)

This will be the sexy, I will stick a Sega Sports sticker on it and bring back the memories....

[sticky]

As a launch day adopter I am happy that Microsoft is upgrading the product and will gladly buy the new 360 if it comes out with a bigger HD and HDMI. MS doesn't owe me anything, I don't owe them anything, I choose what I buy. The guys who bitch about progress, enjoy your foodstamps and Live silver.

If it happens to include an HD-DVD drive I am not going to break down into tears about my HD-DVD drive that I purchased for my 360 either. I'm too busy crying over Duke 3d and Rebel Assault not working correctly in XP.

[MrChaz]

I've had mine since Feb/March of last year, it's not had a single issue (except when I took my harddrive off and dropped it on the ground, but we can't blame MS for that). Most of those that did were in the first few months of launch (which is why MS extended the warranty for them).

You're a lucky man, I'm currently waiting for them to send what will be my 3rd box. Maybe it's because the second one they sent was older than the original (both were '05). Has to be said i know people who are on their 7th and 5th consoles.

[H2o Ninja]

Umm...The black is sexy...I want it to sit on my white one, and mate...And make a grey 360. That'd be awsome.

[Kem0sabe]

Personally i think the white 360 is much more stylish than a completely black one, but thats me, i've never liked the aesthetics of completely black electronics.

What interests me is the 120 HDD, which i can easily buy off the shelf, i just hope Ms doesn't try to rip people off as they do with the 20 HDD model... at the price standard PC HDD are these days, it would be insane to charge absurd market prices for a small capacity 120 HDD.

[TrackZero]

I've stated numerous times that I love it when consoles are made to be cheaper, more reliable and have a smaller form factor.

Looks like you'll be the only member then of that "dumbshit" church!! :p

At this point I'm convinced this entire thread of you playing dumb was just a ploy to up your post count.

[TrackZero]

Caught up on my "1up Yours" episodes this morning, those guys are still convinced this SKU is imaginary. Time will tell I suppose.

[DangerousDaze]

I just think it's strange when people criticise the PS3 for being too expensive and then say they're not bothered about giving their old 360 away and buying a new one so they can take advantage of the new features. I'm not personally attacking anyone here but doesn't that seem strange to any of you guys?

I bought my PS2 in the first month or two after release and just yesterday I picked up Okami. That game runs just as well on my old bashed-up PS2 as it runs on the new slimline cheap version. What we're talking about here is a new 360 that is fundamentally capable of doing something that the "old" 360 isn't (and I put old in quotes because it's hardly that old).

This thread has got way out of hand with the insults - I even snapped back at a dig myself last night for which I apologise if anyone was offended. Let's try and stick to the topic and leave the personal jibes aside. ;)

[MrChaz]

Yeah I think that is a little strange, maybe because Ms started at a low price and seem to be adding value with price. Or maybe it's just part of the general negative attitude to Sony/Ps3

[Chalex]

Yeah I think that is a little strange, maybe because Ms started at a low price and seem to be adding value with price. Or maybe it's just part of the general negative attitude to Sony/Ps3
Saying that Microstoft is at a lower price is completely relative, true it's a lower price than the PS3, but it's also significantly more than the Wii. I'll give you that Microsoft is adding value with price, but if you want all the features the PS3 offers it still has a significantly better price/value ratio.

[MrChaz]

Saying that Microstoft is at a lower price is completely relative, true it's a lower price than the PS3, but it's also significantly more than the Wii. I'll give you that Microsoft is adding value with price, but if you want all the features the PS3 offers it still has a significantly better price/value ratio.
I wasn't trying to say the x360 is cheap, just that they're adding to it. A bit like that rumoured Wii with a dvd drive. The x360 and ps3 price/value comparison is something that will go on to the end of time because it's all based and what you want from a console :)

[VenomUSMC]

My life requires busting faggoty assed bitches like yourself in the fucking face. I work in the game industry for a living. Does that mean I 'require' games in order to do my job? Your logic is bullshit, just like your attempt to come in and fuckup a thread with completely irrelevant and argumentative statements.

No one said anything about requiring anything, it was the simple fact that you came to a GAME forum with an argument of why do people play games.

Fucking dumbshit.

In the face? Ouch! You work in the game industry for a living. Good for you.
Your job evolves around a luxury that people, including myself, pay money for. My logic is correct, games are a luxury. I've worked in places were there was NO CHANCE IN HELL I was going to get to play a video game and guess what I'm still alive.
As for my attempt to come into a thread and screw it up, you should actually check the order of posts. Schnoogs made a post, in which I replied, in where he insinuated that game systems are not luxury items. So is it irrelevant? Not if you see a person posting msinformation and wish to counter it.
Now is it argumentative? Well that's the whole purpose of point and counter point (often called debating). You know if I have a different view I can say it and support my statement as to why I feel that way.
Yes this is a game based site. Now again if you wish to recheck the order of posts you'll see I can to this GAME site in order to talk about how I felt about the possible release of a new version of the 360, after that is where the luxury debate came up. Did I ever argue why people play games? No, check my posts. The stated my stance on that games are a luxury. Does that mean I cannot enjoy a luxury? Well since I just got done playing some GoW then I'd say yeah I can enjoy it, even though I realize it's a luxury.
Fuckinig dumbshit.
Between working in the game industry and busting "faggoty assed bitches" in the "fucking face" where do you find the time even play games?
Now if you want to talk about useless posts here we are... on talking about busting me in the face, awesome. Not sure what it has to do with the thread at all, but way to be complain about me being off topic and then go even further off of the topic.
I agree...my issue isnt with the compatibility of this new 360.

It's mostly dissapointment that I'm missing out on this feature since I would put it to good use.
Then return/sell your 360 now before it loses more of it's value. Again how can you stomach buying new PC components or even DVD players, etc? They are constantly coming out with upgraded models with new features and better performance. You want this HDMI feature, MS is actually adding it, and now your crying about them adding it? Wow. Some people cannot be pleased. I hope you do realize that even they it's a game system, the system is made by a company that oddly enough seeks profits.
I can take advantage of HDMI with my TV, would it be a nice little touch? Sure. Am I and have I been using the component cables with my 360 for quite sometime now with no trouble? You better believe it. Does your 360 not work well with component cables/VGA cables to your TV?
People have been crying about the small HD compared to a PS 3, crying about a lack of HDMI. Now MS releases it and suddenly these people that own a 360 already were cheated out of something. How do you buy a car? You know if you buy an 07 truck, the 08 version will have better features, etc... I guess lose your mind when something like that happens. I hope your not allowed to own any firearms.

if VenomUSMC is really a marine, that has to be the funniest thing he's ever had said to him...
yeah I am actually a US Marine and I do find it funny to see all this internet courage built up. Then again I've never been busted in the face through a monitor yet, so we'll have to see how much it really hurts.

[MrChaz]

Then again I've never been busted in the face through a monitor yet, so we'll have to see how much it really hurts.

It's going to have hurt, what with all the glass :D

[DeskJob]

Anyone going to wait for the teriyaki flavored 360 sku to come out? I was kind of hoping we’d see it on shelves by the end of Q1.