GRAW! What is it Good for? Absolutely Nothing.

[fitbabits]

From Yahoo! News (http://tinyurl.com/2s8m7d)...

DEL RIO, Texas - A recent standoff between National Guardsmen and heavily armed outlaws along the Mexican border has rattled some troops and raised questions about the rules of engagement for soldiers who were sent to the border in what was supposed to be a backup role.

Six to eight gunmen — possibly heading for Mexico with drug money — approached a group of Tennessee National Guard troops at an overnight observation post Jan. 3 on the U.S. side of the Arizona-Mexico border. No one fired a shot, and the confrontation ended when American troops retreated to contact the Border Patrol. The gunmen then fled into Mexico.
I ask you - what's the point in Ubisoft releasing GRAW and the upcoming GRAW 2 if our soldier's hands are tied when it comes to confronting armed bandits at the Mexican border?

[Kweli]

I think they were waiting for the red diamond before opening fire

[51|RandoM]

They should've just shot them. Dead men tell no tales.

Uhoh, somebody is going to bring up CSI now. Exit: Stage Right.

[fitbabits]

They should've just shot them. Dead men tell no tales.

Uhoh, somebody is going to bring up CSI now. Exit: Stage Right.
Two words - Lone Star!

[Chimpbot]

Hey, fitbabits...I ask you - what's the point of this thread and why is it frontpage-worthy?

[fitbabits]

Hey, fitbabits...I ask you - what's the point of this thread and why is it frontpage-worthy?
Because I said so! And that, my friends, is that.

[captainspankypants]

Hey, fitbabits...I ask you - what's the point of this thread and why is it frontpage-worthy?
Does EVERY newspost have this response in it somewhere? It's really starting to grate...

[zim2411]

Er... how does this relate to GRAW?

[51|RandoM]

Two words - Lone Star!

I was being serious. :)

A long time ago in a southern state far, far away, a buddy of mine was getting his carry permit. The sheriff or deputy or whatever that had to sign off on the deal told him, "If you draw it, shoot it and shoot to kill, dead men tell no tales." and the guy was dead serious.

[GrinR]

Does EVERY newspost have this response in it somewhere? It's really starting to grate...

it's the EvAv version of "FIRST POST!!!!!111"

[fitbabits]

Er... how does this relate to GRAW?
Have you played GRAW?

[agentgray]

I think this is a big deal because the soldiers are to not let anyone in. They have no jurisdiction on anyone getting out. right?

[bapenguin]

Border Patrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beans In The Buritto...beans In The Burrito!

[Amalor]

Walker Texas Ranger would not put up with shit like this! lol

-Cheers
-Amalor

[zim2411]

Have you played GRAW?

I would if I could. But wouldn't ya know, Unreal 3.0 engine doesn't support PS2.0b cards. How stupid is that. I'm just one generation behind being able to play. My card is certainly fast enough... I don't understand why developers can't just remove PS3.0 effects for single player. Valve made Source run on DirectX 7 cards. Why can't developers just include some damn backwards compatibility?

Doh, GRAW isn't based on Unreal 3.0. But it still didn't run on my X800 for the same reason.

[fitbabits]

Border Patrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beans In The Buritto...beans In The Burrito!
Awesome! I was hoping you you would reply in such a fashion...

I miss Tuesday Night GRAW. :(

[humanliteshow]

Have you played GRAW?

I haven't and am wondering the same thing. Would you mind explaining??

[fitbabits]

I haven't and am wondering the same thing. Would you mind explaining??
I have to leave for work right now, so I'll leave it to one of the others to explain.

[Goronmon]

Hey, fitbabits...I ask you - what's the point of this thread and why is it frontpage-worthy?Says the loser from Maine.

[DigitalFirefly]

This thread has the best title of 2007.

[UnderHero5]

Well this isn't actually GRAW related. GRAW has missions/levels set around the Mexican border I think (only tried the demo of the first for about 20 minutes). But, I mean... does this actually have anything to do with gaming or GRAW itself?... Not really.
However, do I care that it's on the front page? Nope. I'm not running the website.

If I post some news about space can we relate it to EvE?

[KingGorilla]

I think that Captain Mitchell got over-ruled on this one, they did not want to Jeopardize Sam Fisher's mission with the drug cartel.

[Mr.Green]

Errr... What's this about again?

[Amalor]

Well I think it relates to GRAW because GRAW was , kinda, all about shooting Mexicans. And its front page news because fitbabits takes a hard line stance in the defense of his nations borders and I think this is his way of encouraging us to take up arms against other countries ;) but I could be wrong so no one shoot anyone till he gets back from work.

-Cheers
-Amalor

[Exodus]

*shrugs* slow news day, that's all

*yawn*

[ddbrown30]

Does EVERY newspost have this response in it somewhere? It's really starting to grate...

Nope, only the posts that have nothing to do with games or are tied in by some loose connection.

You know, like this one.

[easi]

Why are they bothering to release GRAW 2? Uhh.. to make money! Seriously though, I always assumed GRAW took some dramatic license with the tech and stuff. I doubt the real Army is as efficient as those guys.

And why is this on the front page?

[Jacob Singer]

Yeah, it's just terrible when an armed confrontation ends with no gunfire and no bloodshed. Stupid border jerks!

EDIT: Just to be clear, it sucks that the thugs made it into Mexico with (possible) drug money, but at least none of our guys were killed. Just sayin'.

[51|RandoM]

I don't remember the border being featured prominently in GRAW, at least not in the PC version.

Cities supposedly somewhere in mexico? yeah. random estates somewhere in mexico? yeah. The border itself? not ringing a bell.

[EternalGamer]

Because I said so! And that, my friends, is that.

So does this mean that from now on when we come to this site we can expect to get 90% Evil Avatar and 10% the Fitbabits show? Is there an option we can select to turn off the latter? Between this, the kitten news posts, the shoddy PS3 editorial, the unsubstantiated Capcom 360 rumor, and the countless random threads you close whenever the conversation becomes critical of you or you just decide you don't like the topic, you have become something of a rogue agent recently.

I think it really has compromised the quality of the site and it sucks for all the other mods, as all of them do a great job of keeping their efforts transparent and their interference with the way the site is run to a minimum.

[Ph00p]

Sounds like shameless hit mongering to get to the top of Gametab and other such sites, with such a provocative yet pretty much unassociated title.

Lets bash GRAW though since this is a thread about it being worthless, well for one thing its NOT THE SAME GR that we were used to when the fuck will they bring us a TRUE GR sequel? FTW!

[Serapth]

Man Fits, your posting the wierdest shit as news lately. Not that I mind.

Its almost like you are baiting people to say "This is news why?"... not that you would ever bait people... no...

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

This is easily the best news item of the day.

[wyeast]

I don't remember the border being featured prominently in GRAW, at least not in the PC version.

Cities supposedly somewhere in mexico? yeah. random estates somewhere in mexico? yeah. The border itself? not ringing a bell.
I think the storyline in GRAW2 has the Ghosts pursuing elements of [insert random bad guy organization here] across the border back into the United States.

[Loganrapp]

People complaining:

Extract head from ass. If it grates so much you can go read Vlad Cole.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

This is going to get ugly.

+1

[lockwoodx]

From Yahoo! News (http://tinyurl.com/2s8m7d)...


I ask you - what's the point in Ubisoft releasing GRAW and the upcoming GRAW 2 if our soldier's hands are tied when it comes to confronting armed bandits at the Mexican border?



I've said this for years.

Kill illegals crossing the border where they stand. Shoot first, ask questions later.

[Bad_Buddha]

Well I think it relates to GRAW because GRAW was , kinda, all about shooting Mexicans. And its front page news because fitbabits takes a hard line stance in the defense of his nations borders and I think this is his way of encouraging us to take up arms against other countries ;) but I could be wrong so no one shoot anyone till he gets back from work.

-Cheers
-Amalor
Does this mean that we get to shoot Canadianites, too?

[Dag-Sabot]

I've said this for years.

Kill illegals crossing the border where they stand. Shoot first, ask questions later.I think landmines are the simplest therefore the best answer in this case.

[Telefrog]

So... How 'bout them Bears?

[Dag-Sabot]

This should be moved so that it can be [better] enjoyed by the "off topic" crowd.

[kokyunage]

Is it me or is EvAv slowing turning into RedState.com or freerepublic.com. It's like that Simpsons bit where Marge says "I'm amazed how slowly and effectively Fox has turned into a hardcore porn channel"(or something alone those lines). Rather than porn, it's politics.

[Goronmon]

Sounds like shameless hit mongering to get to the top of Gametab and other such sites, with such a provocative yet pretty much unassociated title.Honestly though, who gives a shit about Gametab and their ilk when it comes down to it? You could have said the title was just a blatant attempt to trick people who were searching for Edwin Starr lyrics and it would have about the same impact.

[ghost]

Two words - Lone Star!

Only One man would dare give me the raspberry!

...My first thought upon reading that. Thank you, Mel Brooks.

[Claus DuBois]

we doe nee no stink'in badges

[Amalor]

Does this mean that we get to shoot Canadianites, too?


"Get to" !?! this means we HAVE To! And it breaks my heart to say that because The Birthday Massacre is my favorite bands and their all Canadians :eek:

-Cheers
-Amalor

[Dag-Sabot]

Id say a good 50% of hostile America has no idea where "Canada" is. Id say they're safe.

[Beelzebud]

Is it me or is EvAv slowing turning into RedState.com or freerepublic.com.

It's not just you. I've noticed it lately too.

Keep it about the games. If I wanted political bullshit, I'd find another website.

[cppcrusader]

I would if I could. But wouldn't ya know, Unreal 3.0 engine doesn't support PS2.0b cards. How stupid is that. I'm just one generation behind being able to play. My card is certainly fast enough... I don't understand why developers can't just remove PS3.0 effects for single player. Valve made Source run on DirectX 7 cards. Why can't developers just include some damn backwards compatibility?

Doh, GRAW isn't based on Unreal 3.0. But it still didn't run on my X800 for the same reason.

I don't think it's the PS2.0 that's doing it. My computer at work is a PS2.0 card and it runs GRAW. Granted it looks ugly as hell (it won't render the alpha channel on the foliage), but it functions well. Now I do know that it won't run on PS1.1 cards, as a colleague's computer wouldn't run it because of that.

Seriously though, I always assumed GRAW took some dramatic license with the tech and stuff. I doubt the real Army is as efficient as those guys.

You'd be wrong about the tech part. The weapons and systems that were used in it are all ones that are being developed by the military.

[SuperMonkeyFighter2]

Id say a good 50% of hostile America has no idea where "Canada" is. Id say they're safe.

Stupid ... Canada is the 6th planet in our solar system (Behind the planet Austria). Once we figure out warp drive, Canada is toast!!!

[Johan]

"...say it again!"

/props to those who get the reference

[Dag-Sabot]

"...say it again!"

/props to those who get the referenceYou can't be this stupid... But I'll bite.

The title of the thread, while manipulated to read "GRAW" instead of "War", is taken from the very same song (Im assuming) you're alluding to. "War" written by Whitfield and Strong for Motown in '69 sung by the Temptations.

-So, no "props", as it was the implication all along. LOL.

[IRONGUSTAV]

I've said this for years.

Kill illegals crossing the border where they stand. Shoot first, ask questions later.

and after that ..invade poland

[Dag-Sabot]

and after that ..invade polandToo obvious, they'll be ready for it this time.

[Amalor]

and after that ..invade poland

The dirty polish, they took our jobs! :eek: But yes they will be better
prepared this time...

-Cheers
-Amalor

[Dag-Sabot]

You ought to thank them. Can't be fun working in The Suck, Louisiana! Wait! Is that even a real place? :D You should move to R0xxors, Idaho.

[Amalor]

You ought to thank them. Can't be fun working in The Suck, Louisiana! Wait! Is that even a real place? :D You should move to R0xxors, Idaho.


Yes its a real place !!! when you set foot on Louisiana soil you suck and are therefore in "The Suck" ;) I would move to R0xxors but I hear it rains less in H@x0r1ng Arizona lol.

-Cheers
-Amalor

[Dag-Sabot]

Oh yeah, true enough and if you wanted, you could rent a cottage near Uber Leet on the Pr0n peninsula, I hear its stunning this time of the year.
-Don't drink the water.

[Johan]

[color=White]You can't be this stupid... But I'll bite. ...-So, no "props", as it was the implication all along.

DUH! Of course it was...you must be stupid for thinking that I didn't know that, but somehow by sheer coincidence I would pick out that line of a song and use it to allude to the tune; all without connecting the thread title and the line I chose?

DUH...I was trying to get someone to connect the dots other than me, since nobody in the thread had previously done so in a post. :rolleyes:

-no props right back at ya...

[Dag-Sabot]

uh huh, keep on fucking.

[Johan]

uh huh, keep on fucking.

I'm not sure I know that song... :D

[Dag-Sabot]

Try: Nashville Pussy
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1688490,00.html

[Johan]

Try: Nashville Pussy
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1688490,00.html

You win! I truly thought you were just yanking my chain. Turns out I tripped on my own. I concede.

[Rirath]

Methinks the reds ought to post their random, non-game related stuff to the forums like everyone else.

This isn't even remotely related to GRAW.

[fitbabits]

So does this mean that from now on when we come to this site we can expect to get 90% Evil Avatar and 10% the Fitbabits show? Is there an option we can select to turn off the latter? Between this, the kitten news posts, the shoddy PS3 editorial, the unsubstantiated Capcom 360 rumor, and the countless random threads you close whenever the conversation becomes critical of you or you just decide you don't like the topic, you have become something of a rogue agent recently.

I think it really has compromised the quality of the site and it sucks for all the other mods, as all of them do a great job of keeping their efforts transparent and their interference with the way the site is run to a minimum.
Heh! You're so out of touch with me these days... Kitten news posts (plural)? I count one (and I didn't even post it, although I did move it to news, which was supported by Evil). Unsubstantiated Capcom rumor? Your problem with unsubstantiated rumor on EvAv versus any other site is what, exactly? All I'll say is that you'll be the first person I look for when this is confirmed. Countless random threads I close whenever I feel like it? I've closed two recently, for differing reasons. Shoddy PS3 editorial? Huh, well that's constructive criticism for you.

I suggest if you have a problem with my administration or moderating then you contact Evil and voice your concerns to him. Or, you know, you could just not visit any longer if you find the site so unappealing.

Edit - And I must say you trying to involve the other reds in this discussion ("I think it really has compromised the quality of the site and it sucks for all the other mods, as all of them do a great job of keeping their efforts transparent and their interference with the way the site is run to a minimum") is very immature and shows a lack of class.

[alleycatsphinx]

Fitbabits, you're right - it's such a shame no one was shot like in GRAW the videogame. Your political commentary is the reason people come to this site. You really don't strike me as the kind of person who has no power in their life and feels a need to oppress others in petty ways to compensate. I think your justification about posting "just because you can" is really good, because that's the sort of reason people give when they're right about what they do. Also, I think the way you're officating the other adminstrators is really classy. Do you work tech support by any chance?

Did I miss anything?

[EternalGamer]

I suggest if you have a problem with my administration or moderating then you contact Evil and voice your concerns to him. Or, you know, you could just not visit any longer if you find the site so unappealing.

Edit - And I must say you trying to involve the other reds in this discussion ("I think it really has compromised the quality of the site and it sucks for all the other mods, as all of them do a great job of keeping their efforts transparent and their interference with the way the site is run to a minimum") is very immature and shows a lack of class.

I was just voicing my opinion regarding what I consider to be some pretty poor moderation decisions you have made over the last few weeks. I intentionally mentioned the other moderators because, in contrast, I have noticed them responded in a much more mature manner on quite a few occasions. Kefkataran and Bapenguin in particular deserve a lot of praise for this. I have seen people hurl comments their direction that were pretty nasty or try to incite flames and they continue their role as mature peacemakers. You respond by going off on people or closing threads. They walk off any barbs that get thrown their way and I can tell that they put a lot of thought into trying to avoid having threads turn into flame wars (whether it is in regards to the Microsoft vs. Sony nonsense or anything else). Meanwhile you post another witty flame inducing "Finally, some good PS3 news!" The division I made between their moderation habits and your own was an intentional one and it wasn't made in order to create grade school alliances. It was made because I think they have demonstrated how to do a great job moderating the site. They have demonstrated maturity and restraint.

And you've certainly closed a lot more than two threads over the past few weeks. Most of them I wasn't actively involved in and it didn't really bother me except that I thought it was pretty unprofessional. I don't have a big enough problem with your behavior as a moderator that it would ever cause me to leave the site. I'm not looking to play drama queen. But I do find your "my way or the highway" approach pretty petty. I do suppose you have answered my question, though: 90% Evil Avatar, 10% the fitbabits show it will continue to be.

[fitbabits]

I was just voicing my opinion regarding what I consider to be some pretty poor moderation decisions you have made over the last few weeks. I intentionally mentioned the other moderators because, in contrast, I have noticed them responded in a much more mature manner on quite a few occasions. Kefkataran and Bapenguin in particular deserve a lot of praise for this. I have seen people hurl comments their direction that were pretty nasty or try to incite flames and they continue their role as mature peacemakers. You respond by going off on people or closing threads. They walk off any barbs that get thrown their way and I can tell that they put a lot of thought into trying to avoid having threads turn into flame wars (whether it is in regards to the Microsoft vs. Sony nonsense or anything else). Meanwhile you post another witty flame inducing "Finally, some good PS3 news!" The division I made between their moderation habits and your own was an intentional one and it wasn't made in order to create grade school alliances. It was made because I think they have demonstrated how to do a great job moderating the site. They have demonstrated maturity and restraint.

And you've certainly closed a lot more than two threads over the past few weeks. Most of them I wasn't actively involved in and it didn't really bother me except that I thought it was pretty unprofessional. I don't have a big enough problem with your behavior as a moderator that it would ever cause me to leave the site. I'm not looking to play drama queen. But I do find your "my way or the highway" approach pretty petty. I do suppose you have answered my question, though: 90% Evil Avatar, 10% the fitbabits show it will continue to be.
Again, I suggest you contact Evil and voice your concerns with him. While I value the thoughts of the Evil Avatar community and appreciate the effect my decisions have on ongoing discussions, I don't consider my behavior over the past couple of weeks to be as detrimental to the quality of the site as you seem to.

[EternalGamer]

The subject came up, so I voiced my opinion on it. No need to take it any further than that. I would be more than happy if my comments just led to a few seconds of reflection on occasion.

[fitbabits]

The subject came up, so I voiced my opinion on it. No need to take it any further than that. I would be more than happy if my comments just led to a few seconds of reflection on occasion.
Interesting. I will chew on what you wrote and decide whether or not I deem your concerns to be valid. In the meantime, feel free to stick around.

[EternalGamer]

In the meantime, feel free to stick around.

Thanks for your permission.

[NeoNecro]

Hey, fitbabits...I ask you - what's the point of this thread and why is it frontpage-worthy?

It's about how graw and graw 2 are failures, they took a nice tactical fun game and wrecked it.

[Xerxes]

Thanks for your permission.

Fits, fuck his couch and close this thread too. :cool:

[Johan]

I like waffles.

Eggs are better though (except when we're walking on them!) ;)

[Orphiuchus]

Thats nothing, I cant shoot someone until they shoot at me first. And I'm a fucking marine!

[Johan]

Thats nothing, I cant shoot someone until they shoot at me first. And I'm a fucking marine!

Well, technically, you could; you'd just get in big trouble!

[Xerxes]

Thats nothing, I cant shoot someone until they shoot at me first. And I'm a fucking marine!

Don't you guys like have awesome ninja skills, so like know one would know unless you told em?

[Dag-Sabot]

Thats nothing, I cant shoot someone until they shoot at me first. And I'm a fucking marine!Well thats what you get for running around at some ungodly hour in the morning scaring the shit outta the neighbors and their animals, and wearing those ungodly super tight jogging shorts. Isn't there a convention against that shit?