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torrefaction
01-26-2007, 09:50 AM
Gamerreports (http://www.gamersreports.com) has discovered (http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4876/sony-raises-ps3-price-in-canada/) that Sony has decided that now is a good time to raise the price in Canada. It's gone from $659 to $699.


It seems that Sony has made a minor price correction for the PS3 in Canada. Now the unit costs $50 dollars more, for a total of $699.99. Both Best Buy and Futureshop have the console listed at the new price, the old list used to be $659.99. What is Sony doing?


Is the PS3 selling really, really well in Canada or something? Feels like the Canucks are getting ripped off a bit here. Is the shipping that much different from the United States to Canada?

Editor - Thanks to ZeroOmegaZX for a similar submission

Nighthawk
01-26-2007, 10:01 AM
Whats next, price INcrease for the USA as well? I'm sure that would boost sales incredibly!

TrackZero
01-26-2007, 10:02 AM
Oh sweet fucking Christ you're kidding me.

Edit: And no, I don't know a single person with a PS3 or any interest at all in owning one. The only display units I've seen at stores have all been broken as well. So I can't imagine it's selling well here.

Swat
01-26-2007, 10:03 AM
I literally LOL'd at my desk! If anything they should be reducing the price or offering pack in games to get people to buy them north of the border. I've heard many stories about stores being frustrated with all the returns, and reps having to pester people to let them know they have PS3's in stock.

Entropy Effect
01-26-2007, 10:05 AM
Is the PS3 selling really, really well in Canada or something? Feels like the Canucks are getting ripped off a bit here. Is the shipping that much different from North America to Canada?

It does seem a little strange that they are raising the price, but at the current conversion rate 1 Canadian dollar is about $0.85, so 699 Canadian = $594.

Also, Canada is part of North America, and I don't think shipping costs has anything to do with the price increase.

krackmonkey
01-26-2007, 10:07 AM
umm, it's $40 more, not $50. I mean, it still sucks and whatnot- but it's simple goddamn math, people.

Doctor Setebos
01-26-2007, 10:08 AM
Sony Idiot #1: Well, the PS3 isn't selling well in the great white north, gentlemen.
Sony Idiot #2: Hey! Let's increase the price!
Sony Idiot #1: Holy FUCK! That's brilliant!
Sony Idiot #3: Those PS3's will literally FLY off the shelves!
Sony Idiots: Hooray! We hate consumers!

I'm paraphrasing, of course.

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 10:08 AM
umm, it's $40 more, not $50. I mean, it still sucks and whatnot- but it's simple goddamn math, people.

Wow. That's kinda funny. I just cut and paste their quote, and didn't catch that at all.

Kweli
01-26-2007, 10:10 AM
Wow, this cant be real... thats the cost of a game.... a game that the console DOESNT EVEN COME WITH

This is pathetic

bapenguin
01-26-2007, 10:14 AM
Has there ever been an increase in a console price before?

Psykoboy2
01-26-2007, 10:16 AM
I'd really like a reason for this. I don't understand at ALL why they would do this. I get that it's only $50 more, but as mentioned before, that's the price of a game, or even an extra controller. I want to beat this over the head with a hammer, but I'd really like a reason for the increase before I start throwing hammers.

Heretic Machine
01-26-2007, 10:22 AM
I'd say it is pretty obvious that they mispriced it to begin with, and this was the price they intended... But still, when you console isn't selling, you don't up the price, regardless of what you originally intended to sell it at.

Ozena
01-26-2007, 10:22 AM
I can't speak for the rest of Canada, but here in St. John's, Newfoundland, PS3's are not hard to come by. The EB nearest me has told me stories of guys coming in a week after PS3 launch and trading them for 360's or Wii's.

There's even multiple posters around university of people trying to unload their PS3's.

Maybe that's why the price went up, to make up for how shittily they're actually selling.

Edit: I know that goes against a lot of economic rules, but still :p.

Kweli
01-26-2007, 10:25 AM
This reminds me of the Simpson's episode... where they are stuck in a big ditch and the police chief yells "Dig UP stupid!"

Morangie
01-26-2007, 10:26 AM
People were able to afford one without working harder for it so Sony adjusted the price to meet the standards set by their executives. A meal at a top class restaurant just isn't the same if they let all the riff raff in.

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 10:29 AM
People were able to afford one without working harder for it, Sony just adjusted the price to meet the standards set by their executives. A meal at a top class restaurant just isn't the same if they let all the riff raff in.

I laughed. Out loud even.

Johan
01-26-2007, 10:30 AM
People were able to afford one without working harder for it, Sony just adjusted the price to meet the standards set by their executives. A meal at a top class restaurant just isn't the same if they let all the riff raff in.

Well said!

Pretty unusual...shocking, even...to have a price INCREASE shortly after a launch. As was asked earlier, I wonder if this has EVER happened before, under similar circumstances with a newly launched console?

GunnyMo
01-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Ain't that something. Don't worry, I'm sure there is a great PR campaign coming to back this up.

beefyjr
01-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Why didn't anyone at Sony catch this before launch? It seems like every day brings another story more ridiculous than the day before.

Kamalot
01-26-2007, 10:33 AM
Well, Ken already stated that the PS3 was too inexpensive. I suppose they are actually DOING something about it now.

KNOTE
01-26-2007, 10:33 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.

XenonCJ
01-26-2007, 10:40 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.FINALLY! That's what I've been saying all along!!

Thenetcase
01-26-2007, 10:40 AM
Ain't that something. Don't worry, I'm sure there is a great PR campaign coming to back this up.


You mean where they go around and illegally spraypaint buildings like graffii artists? One of THOSE campaigns?
Or where they have a black slave in handcuffs and a white female bitch standing there saying, "White is coming"?

Hmm...

I wonder which it'll be.

Khash
01-26-2007, 10:40 AM
Is the PS3 out in Canada? Were they being sold to people at the lower price before?

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 10:41 AM
You mean where they go around and illegally spraypaint buildings like graffii artists? One of THOSE campaigns?
Or where they have a black slave in handcuffs and a white female bitch standing there saying, "White is coming"?

Hmm...

I wonder which it'll be.

It could be a creepy baby that will, in all likelihood, eat your very SOUL.

Paranoia
01-26-2007, 10:42 AM
Canadians will have to work extra hard to earn their PS3.

Swat
01-26-2007, 10:42 AM
umm, it's $40 more, not $50. I mean, it still sucks and whatnot- but it's simple goddamn math, people.

If you want to be really picky it ends up being $45 more with the 13% tax in BC applied. But who wants to argue over $5 really ;)

NoName
01-26-2007, 10:43 AM
Hehehe, I love Sony news, it's often the highlight of my day. Comedy clubs aint got nothin on Sony and their execs.

Tyrant
01-26-2007, 10:43 AM
The price increase was a likely result of the recent exchange rate woes. Even then, Sony reacted pretty damned fast to that. I mean, I don't recall them being that quick when the exchange rate was on the up and up.

Swat
01-26-2007, 10:44 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.

We're still waiting for payback on Carrot Top, Paris Hilton and Tommy Lee. You guys are winning the retard race so far, but then again it IS sheer numbers :)

Raziel
01-26-2007, 10:44 AM
When you consider the price is now pretty much the same as the US one, it is obvious they made a mistake to begin with. Anyone close to Canada in the US, could've driven up North and picked up a console for $40 less than it is here. Now it's only a few bucks difference so who cares. Obviously a huge mistake to make, but now the pricing is uniform across North America.

Kem0sabe
01-26-2007, 10:44 AM
I have no words... Sony is just too much...

Atorak
01-26-2007, 10:47 AM
Obviously, Sony felt the PS3 was too much of a bargain at $659.00. A steal, if you will...

Shjinta
01-26-2007, 10:49 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.


How is that payback? When you do something as payback you generally want it to actually affect people.. This doesn't affect anyone. Just makes those even crazier people not pick up an already over-raited POS system.

KNOTE
01-26-2007, 10:52 AM
We're still waiting for payback on Carrot Top, Paris Hilton and Tommy Lee. You guys are winning the retard race so far, but then again it IS sheer numbers :)

And yet our PS3s are cheaper! :D

Goronmon
01-26-2007, 10:57 AM
This reminds me of the Simpson's episode... where they are stuck in a big ditch and the police chief yells "Dig UP stupid!"
People were able to afford one without working harder for it so Sony adjusted the price to meet the standards set by their executives. A meal at a top class restaurant just isn't the same if they let all the riff raff in.Between these two posts, I was laughing for a good 5 minutes. :D

Rafer
01-26-2007, 10:57 AM
Funny thing is, last month in Canada the PS3 outsold the Wii (either Nintendo undersupplied or Sony oversupplied Canada in December). Link. (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/01/17/tech-games.html)

The Wii outsold the PS3 in November, but the PS3 outsold its rival in December as Sony managed to get more units to market.

Another thing, the 360 is selling for $30 more than it should (with the fluctuations in the Canadian dollar I remember it selling for up to $50 more last year). I can understand Sony making the mistake as they charged what the exchange rate was when they announced the price last year, and many were predicting the U.S. dollar to decline even more.

fitbabits
01-26-2007, 11:01 AM
I've decided not to comment on these threads as I can't think of anything to add which hasn't already been said a thousand times. So this is my official "no comment".

Doctor Setebos
01-26-2007, 11:02 AM
I've decided not to comment on these threads as I can't think of anything to add which hasn't already been said a thousand times. So this is my official "no comment".So you commented just to say "no comment"?

Way to go, SoccerShoes! :D

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 11:04 AM
So you commented just to say "no comment"?

Way to go, SoccerShoes! :D

SoccerShoes...I like that.

fitbabits
01-26-2007, 11:05 AM
So you commented just to say "no comment"?

Way to go, SoccerShoes! :D
Aye, that I did. Kinda cool, don't you think?

Swat
01-26-2007, 11:06 AM
Yeah it's odd to hear all these numbers about how well the PS3 sold in certain months or what not, when the word on the street - not the actual numbers, paint an entirely different story. I'm not being sensationalistic at with my first hand experiences with mass returns, sales pimping, and practically begging people to buy these systems.

Sony should really have launched without the BR player and saved a few hundred bucks. Apart from hardcore AV enthusiasts, BR is still a tough sell, as is HD-DVD. Xbox got it right allowing those who cared to buy a $199 drive afterwards if they cared about HD. I know I did - but I know most of my friends don't give a shit about HD the way I do.

The only possible benefit I can see about the PS3 at this point is those people who have it as their sole system. For those of us who already have hundreds and thousands of dollars invested in other systems already, the PS3 is simply too much money for what it offers.

roboninja
01-26-2007, 11:08 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.
Oh please, she is more hated up here than in the US; you guys made her popular and gave her that Vegas show, you are responsible for her now :D
As for the article....Sony was secretly bought by MS, right, and they are intentionally trying to ruin the company....right??

Ted Huge
01-26-2007, 11:09 AM
Eat it, Canada. Payback time for Celine Dion.


I'm just happy we don't have to make up for Bryan Adams.

<Can't resist> Though this news from Sony "Cuts like a Knife"

zombiekiller13
01-26-2007, 11:22 AM
well, it's settled. Sony really has lost its collective mind.

"Let's make a handheld, but include only one analog stick!

Oh, and let's be the only company to not settle with the makers of the vibration feature we use! Just remove it completely!

Hang on! Nintendo's got a motion controller! Let's make our own, but use the same exact design as the PS1 and 2's controller!

Hey, I know! Let's spray paint buildings, post pro-slavery ads, hire a company to make a fake blog...and what the heck, blow up a few laptop batteries! Genius!

Wait...wait! I got an even better idea that'll get the public behind us...raise the price of the PS3 after they go on sale! Brilliant!"

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 11:24 AM
You forgot "Let's put rootkits on users computers if they want to play our music"

T-Rex Commando
01-26-2007, 11:29 AM
Funniest shit i've seen in a long, long time. As a Canuck, I now have one more good reason to avoid the PS3 like the plague.

IrishWhiskey
01-26-2007, 11:31 AM
You know, I've been try to figure why people who can successfully tie their shoes in the morning would do something like this. Three thoughts:

1. This is only a rumor that they hope will encourage people to buy PS3s before the price goes up, which they will then decide not to do, creating a brief buying surge and free publicity.

2. They know full well that the only people buying PS3s know are hardcore Sony fans and high-end gamers who are wiling to pay the ridiculous early eBay prices, and so will make some more profit off them until they get the games to appeal to a broader audience that cares more about price. (More likely)

3. This is yet another example of Sony Japan overruled Sony NA and Europe as they have done many times before in the PS3 launch leading to things like an underdeveloped online service and lack of hardware scaler. Sony Japan is worried about losing profit in preparation for upcoming financial statements, whereas Sony NA are worrying about building the console base. (Most likely)

Kamalot
01-26-2007, 11:33 AM
You know, I've been try to figure why people who can successfully tie their shoes in the morning would do something like this.
4. They wear penny loafers or have velcro straps instead of shoelaces.

imagecreature
01-26-2007, 11:34 AM
We're still waiting for payback on Carrot Top, Paris Hilton and Tommy Lee. You guys are winning the retard race so far, but then again it IS sheer numbers :)

Loverboy???

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 11:34 AM
You know, I've been try to figure why people who can successfully tie their shoes in the morning would do something like this. Three thoughts:

1. This is only a rumor that they hope will encourage people to buy PS3s before he price goes up, which they will the decide not to do, creating a brief buying surge and free publicity.

2. They know full well that the only people buying PS3s know are hardcore Sony fans and high-end gamers who are wiling to pay the ridiculous early eBay prices, and so will make some more profit off them until they get the games to appeal to a broader audience that cares more about price. (More likely)

3. This is yet another example of Sony Japan overruled Sony NA and Europe as they have done many times before in the PS3 launch leading to things like an underdeveloped online service and lack of hardware scaler. Sony Japan is worried about losing profit in preparation for upcoming financial statements, whereas Sony NA are worrying about building the console base. (Most likely)

4.)They can't actually tie their shoes in the morning (EXTREMELY likely) ;)

Kamalot
01-26-2007, 11:38 AM
4.)They can't actually tie their shoes in the morning (EXTREMELY likely) ;)
Great minds think alike (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=624927&postcount=49)!

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:05 PM
So you commented just to say "no comment"?

Way to go, SoccerShoes! :D

No, no, no. You're supposed to say that with a Scots accent.

Sicashis! (Almost added a 't' in there... lol)

Swat
01-26-2007, 12:05 PM
Loverboy???

Hey, everybody's working for the weekend! Come on now!

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 12:08 PM
No, no, no. You're supposed to say that with a Scots accent.

Sicashis! (Almost added a 't' in there... lol)

Hahahahah


Sicashits! Fit's nicknames get better and better.

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:08 PM
To be fair, the CAN/US exchange rate was pretty small for a while there, but now the CAN dollar is slightly dropping against the US dollar.

It used to be 91c CAN against the US dollar. These days it's more like 85. I guess Sony is just trying to keep the price differences up to date... but this definitely does seem way too soon to try to keep up with the differences.

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:11 PM
If this proves to be true, the chances of me buying a PS3 just went to 0. I dont care how low the price drops, if a company is willing to do something so fucking epically stupid, there is no way I am going to support them!

Johan
01-26-2007, 12:13 PM
but now the CAN dollar is slightly dropping against the US dollar.

What the hell are you Canucks doing wrong up there? The entire freaking world is seeing the dollar fall against their currencies; in a decade, you might find it cheaper to burn dollar bills than natural gas to heat your home!

How is it you're the only country whose currency sucks worse than ours? (okay...maybe Mexico's is worse as well...)

Wow...

HardScores
01-26-2007, 12:18 PM
You know, I've been try to figure why people who can successfully tie their shoes in the morning would do something like this. Three thoughts:

1. This is only a rumor that they hope will encourage people to buy PS3s before the price goes up, which they will then decide not to do, creating a brief buying surge and free publicity.


If by rumor you mean that the stores online have already changed the price and trying to sell them at that price, then yes.

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:21 PM
What the hell are you Canucks doing wrong up there? The entire freaking world is seeing the dollar fall against their currencies; in a decade, you might find it cheaper to burn dollar bills than natural gas to heat your home!

Long story short, we voted the Conservatives in office :D

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:21 PM
What the hell are you Canucks doing wrong up there? The entire freaking world is seeing the dollar fall against their currencies; in a decade, you might find it cheaper to burn dollar bills than natural gas to heat your home!

How is it you're the only country whose currency sucks worse than ours? (okay...maybe Mexico's is worse as well...)

Wow...



Not really strong on how internation currency exhanges work, are you? Also, the high Canadian dollar ( which is up about 25% thanks to Bush Jr ), actually hurts us if it gets too high.

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:23 PM
1. This is only a rumor that they hope will encourage people to buy PS3s before the price goes up, which they will then decide not to do, creating a brief buying surge and free publicity.

*cough*

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075271&catid=

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

Yup, a rumour indeed :rolleyes:

Johan
01-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Not really strong on how internation currency exhanges work, are you? Also, the high Canadian dollar ( which is up about 25% thanks to Bush Jr ), actually hurts us if it gets too high.

1. I know enough about international currency exchanges to know that a currency rises against other currencies if the former nation has a trade surplus, or other nations are keeping the former nations currency in reserve, thereby raising the value of said currency and essentially providing a boost to the buying power of said country.

2. I also know enough to know that "Bush Jr." blaming is just a weak fucking reason for a Canadian to come up with for your shitty currency value and buying power! :D

Enjoy your more expensive products!!!! :cool:

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:29 PM
*cough*

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075271&catid=

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

Yup, a rumour indeed :rolleyes:


The other thing to notic is that there are 35 PS3's available at Futureshop. BestBuy on the other hand in Canada appears to be having serious supply issues and not just the PS3. I was in one last weekend trying to buy R6:Vegas, and they were picked clean of everything. No Xbox Premiums, No Wii anything ( and I mean anything... maybe 4 games to choose from and zero accesories ), the place was barren as hell. Obviously... no R6:Vegas either :( Had to go elsewhere for it. After my experiences with BestBuy online ordering ( which was a disaster ), I think something seriously flawed is going on at BB in Canada. There is no way the shelves shouldnt be restocked 25 days after Christmas

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:31 PM
Enjoy your more expensive products!!!! :cool:


A higher standard of living and no blue cross payments, make it easier to pay for those more expensive products!!!! :cool:

As to CDN $ value, the bank of Canada is taking efforts to keep in from rising, as it hurts our industry more then it helps.

Kweli
01-26-2007, 12:34 PM
Enjoy your more expensive products!!!! :cool:
Not having Bush as my leader: Priceless

bitwise
01-26-2007, 12:34 PM
Is Sony trying to fail in Canada or something?

Then again, they might have determined that the new price was the "sweet spot" that would maintain maximum PS3 profit, but for the life of me I can't see why. If they weren't selling before, I can't imagine what a price increase would do to help.

Also, as others have pointed out, 699 - 659 = 40, not 50. It's easy to see if you add 1 buck to each price to get the real prices. 700 - 660 = 40.

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 12:34 PM
A higher standard of living and no blue cross payments, make it easier to pay for those more expensive products!!!! :cool:

As to CDN $ value, the bank of Canada is taking efforts to keep in from rising, as it hurts our industry more then it helps.

Yeah, and the easy and very quick access to medical care! Am I right?

(HAHA!)

Johan
01-26-2007, 12:35 PM
A higher standard of living and no blue cross payments, make it easier to pay for those more expensive products!!!! :cool:

Good! If this is true, then you can quitcherbitchin' about the price!

If this proves to be true, the chances of me buying a PS3 just went to 0.

$40 is nothing!!! You have a higher standard of living! :D

Not having Bush as my leader: Priceless

Hahahahaha! Yup; the one you've got now rocks! :rolleyes:

wyeast
01-26-2007, 12:35 PM
*cough*

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075271&catid=

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376&logon=&langid=EN

Yup, a rumour indeed :rolleyes:
Well sure, to Sony it was a rumour. But for retailers I'm sure they were all "Shit yeah! Everybody raise prices! Woo profit!"

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:41 PM
Good! If this is true, then you can quitcherbitchin' about the price!



Actually, all kidding aside, this issue has nothing to do with price. I will not buy a PS3 because of the fact they would do something so monumentally stupid and arrogant. The 40$ means fuckall to me, it could be 100$ or it could be 20$. The simple fact they are dumb enough to raise the price in my market, when the damned things arent selling out already, blows my mind. I refuse to reward that level of stupidity.

( I stand by these convicitions btw. I have protested Menthos for about 8 years now, because their commericals pissed me off so much that I swore, I WILL NEVER BUY MENTHOS AGAIN! ... and I havent )

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:43 PM
Not having Bush as my leader: Priceless

Then again, this guy isn't much better:

EDIT: Removed image due to hotlinking. Do an images google and there are plenty of better images than what I've posted anyway :P

Serapth
01-26-2007, 12:45 PM
Then again, this guy isn't much better:

http://www.maxpower.ca/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/harper_cowboy.jpg


BAD PETE!

Hot linking is not cool!

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 12:47 PM
The other thing to notic is that there are 35 PS3's available at Futureshop. BestBuy on the other hand in Canada appears to be having serious supply issues and not just the PS3. I was in one last weekend trying to buy R6:Vegas, and they were picked clean of everything. No Xbox Premiums, No Wii anything ( and I mean anything... maybe 4 games to choose from and zero accesories ), the place was barren as hell. Obviously... no R6:Vegas either :( Had to go elsewhere for it. After my experiences with BestBuy online ordering ( which was a disaster ), I think something seriously flawed is going on at BB in Canada. There is no way the shelves shouldnt be restocked 25 days after Christmas

I've found Best Buy varies a lot on a store to store basis. The one in Richmond, BC always seems to be sold out of everything, but the one in Coquitlam, BC usually has plenty of games in stock (but no Wiimotes... boo...)

I did see R6 Vegas at the Coquitlam Location, but at $69.99.... no thanks.

Pious Augustus
01-26-2007, 01:37 PM
Whats next, price INcrease for the USA as well? I'm sure that would boost sales incredibly!
Not exactly... (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21124929-2702,00.html)

Swat
01-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Is Sony trying to fail in Canada or something?

Then again, they might have determined that the new price was the "sweet spot" that would maintain maximum PS3 profit, but for the life of me I can't see why. If they weren't selling before, I can't imagine what a price increase would do to help.

Also, as others have pointed out, 699 - 659 = 40, not 50. It's easy to see if you add 1 buck to each price to get the real prices. 700 - 660 = 40.

See my earlier post about how sales tax can affect this number and raise it up a bit, but I mean, that's getting too picky at this point right? ;)

BakedGoods
01-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Whats with all the Canadian hate?

Sure we pay a bit more for things, but considering the average amount of money someone my age makes it's really not a big deal. The quality of life here completely makes up for the extra money I'd pay anyway.

DaXIthR
01-26-2007, 01:44 PM
For the record, is this good news or bad news for Sony?

Johan
01-26-2007, 01:46 PM
Actually, all kidding aside, this issue has nothing to do with price. I will not buy a PS3 because of the fact they would do something so monumentally stupid and arrogant. The 40$ means fuckall to me, it could be 100$ or it could be 20$. The simple fact they are dumb enough to raise the price in my market, when the damned things arent selling out already, blows my mind. I refuse to reward that level of stupidity.

On this we definitely agree!

And Bush does suck donkey bits that have been dried by the heat of a thousand suns and then replaced with little rabbit turds...uncooked rabbit turds. So perhaps we agree on that too! ;)

For the record, is this good news or bad news for Sony?

Yes.

Sony rep.: The price increase reflects the tremendous demand and value the Canadian consumer places upon the PS3 as a unique and unprecedented device of unmatched power and possibilities.

Canadian consumer: Fuckers jacked up the price, eh? Yah...that sucks.

Kadoo
01-26-2007, 01:49 PM
anyone else want to DDOS maxpower.ca brutal
powered by the monkey in his butt

Kweli
01-26-2007, 01:50 PM
....replaced with little rabbit turds...uncooked rabbit turds. So perhaps we agree on that too! ;)


Ouch... those uncooked ones are WAY worse then the cooked ones :D

TheDancinMan
01-26-2007, 01:57 PM
This could be attributed to just a changing market, or sony asshattery. At least, I think, after all the discussion and whatsnots.


Oh, and just so everyone knows, I said SoccerShoes first, and I said it best.

Philonious
01-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Hmm... I was actually poking around Montreal for one of these today and they were hard to come by. EB had a couple but he said that they don't stay in stock long... SO they seem to be selling well in Montreal.

Futureshop and Bestbuy are the same company, there is a small chance that someone screwed up since $659 is a pretty odd price for consoles which in Canada usually end in $99, $49 or $29. Time will tell, and oddly I might actually pick one up before Blockbuster figures out about the increase.

Rock Bandit
01-26-2007, 02:10 PM
Ah, I love the smell of forums in the morning. Only here could a news item on price increases turn into a territorial pissing match between America and Canada (or, if you will, America Lite) including political allegory expressed with rabbit turds, internation currency exchanges, and Loverboy quotes. Sometimes there's just so much fucked-up beauty on the Internet it makes my heart swell.

p.s.
Canadian consumer: Fuckers jacked up the price, eh? Yah...that sucks.
You forgot "Go Leafs!"

Franjo
01-26-2007, 02:22 PM
For that price they better bundle the PS3 with the mobile photo viewer (psp)

Serapth
01-26-2007, 02:24 PM
Ah, I love the smell of forums in the morning. Only here could a news item on price increases turn into a territorial pissing match between America and Canada (or, if you will, America Lite) including political allegory expressed with rabbit turds, internation currency exchanges, and Loverboy quotes. Sometimes there's just so much fucked-up beauty on the Internet it makes my heart swell.

p.s.

You forgot "Go Leafs!"

The Leafs suck! That is all.

Rock Bandit
01-26-2007, 03:08 PM
The Leafs suck! That is all.

But, on the T.V. Canadians end every sentence with "Go Leafs!". They all love the hookey right? You know, whatching those guys control the scrum and playing tricks with their hats and what have you helps them unwind after polar bear attacks and all that.

Serapth
01-26-2007, 03:10 PM
But, on the T.V. Canadians end every sentence with "Go Leafs!". They all love the hookey right? You know, whatching those guys control the scrum and playing tricks with their hats and what have you helps them unwind after polar bear attacks and all that.



Oh no, the rest of the stereotype is correct. Infact, I just finished kicking the shit out of a polar bear a few minutes ago. Stupid bear was screwing with my satellite so I wouldnt be able to watch hockey later! Dont come between a Canadian and his hockey!

The only part thats wrong is, we dont all like the leafs. Infact, probrably 90% of Canada hates the leafs. Infact probrably 99% of Canada outside of the GTA hates the leafs. Me, I hate the leafs.

go Flames!

Rock Bandit
01-26-2007, 03:18 PM
Oh no, the rest of the stereotype is correct. Infact, I just finished kicking the shit out of a polar bear a few minutes ago. Stupid bear was screwing with my satellite so I wouldnt be able to watch hockey later! Dont come between a Canadian and his hockey!

The only part thats wrong is, we dont all like the leafs. Infact, probrably 90% of Canada hates the leafs. Infact probrably 99% of Canada outside of the GTA hates the leafs. Me, I hate the leafs.

go Flames!

Canadians are flamers, got it.

Phanto
01-26-2007, 03:49 PM
Well that would be good news only to money spenders.

Btw I love the title of this news!! LMAOF

jpublic
01-26-2007, 04:27 PM
I suspect that the original $660 price was supposed to be a seasonal discount, and they're done with that, now.

Edit: LOL, I called my local EB Games, and I love their theory - they think FS is trying to recoup some of the warehousing costs for all the bloody PS3s that don't sell.

NightRain
01-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Has there ever been an increase in a console price before?

Not for me to be aware of and I've have bought every console released since the NES. I have yet to buy a Wii (simply because I have Zelda for GCN) or a PS3 but will get them later. I would have gotten a PS3 already if it supported IR remotes so I could use my Harmony 880 to control Blu-Ray movies. I couldn't care less about PS3 games at this point.

Serapth
01-26-2007, 04:30 PM
I suspect that the original $660 price was supposed to be a seasonal discount, and they're done with that, now.

Nobody launches a product with a season discount.

Sony fucked up, pure and simple.

My guess is, the PS3 is selling a bit better here then it is in the States, so they decided to try to milk the market. I think Sony is quickly discovering they cant afford the loss they are taking, but no the free market bastion that is the USA wouldnt react well to a price hike.

Frankly, its all a bunch of bullshit. Sony dropping in the prices in Japan, second lowest in the US, and now jacking them up in Canada, not to mention the monumental ass raping off Europe, should be an eye opener to anyone that isnt American or Japanese. Sony doesnt care enough about your business to deserve it. Or, they think you are suckers. Frankly, I dont like either option.

NightRain
01-26-2007, 04:32 PM
I can't speak for the rest of Canada, but here in St. John's, Newfoundland, PS3's are not hard to come by. The EB nearest me has told me stories of guys coming in a week after PS3 launch and trading them for 360's or Wii's.

There's even multiple posters around university of people trying to unload their PS3's.

Maybe that's why the price went up, to make up for how shittily they're actually selling.

Edit: I know that goes against a lot of economic rules, but still :p.

I was at Toys R Us in St. John's a couple of days ago buying some clearance Xbox games and the guy joking said "you intrested in buying a PS3?" I quickly said "not now, nothing in games that intrests me", he said "we've had systems for ages and can't move the things, I was told to ask anyone buying a video game if they wanted to buy a PS3"

Good stuff, a price increase just moved me $40 further away from getting one. My guess is they did this so they can advertise a $40 price drop in a couple of months for the Easter break.

Johan
01-26-2007, 04:33 PM
I agree with you completely, Serapth! It is really monumentally stupid and also quite indicative of their attitude toward their customers.

And I worked hard to spell your name correctly, too! Had to retype it!

Serapth
01-26-2007, 04:34 PM
Good stuff, a price increase just moved me $40 further away from getting one. My guess is they did this so they can advertise a $40 price drop in a couple of months for the Easter break.


Consumers have short memories, but NOWHERE near that short. If they pulled that trick the backlash would be pretty staggering.

Serapth
01-26-2007, 04:34 PM
I agree with you completely, Serapth! It is really monumentally stupid and also quite indicative of their attitude toward their customers.

And I worked hard to spell your name correctly, too! Had to retype it!

Well, thank you for getting it right Jhoan!!! :D

NightRain
01-26-2007, 04:35 PM
The price increase was a likely result of the recent exchange rate woes. Even then, Sony reacted pretty damned fast to that. I mean, I don't recall them being that quick when the exchange rate was on the up and up.

Our exchange rate has never increased prices on electronic before, I mean I don't expect to see an increase in Sony TV prices, or any other manufactures products for that matter. It has nothing to do with the Exchange Rate and everything to do with Sony being STUPID.

Johan
01-26-2007, 04:35 PM
Well, thank you for getting it right Jhoan!!! :D

You freaking Canukc! :D

Philonious
01-26-2007, 04:43 PM
UPDATE

According to Gamespot ONLY Futureshop and BestBuy have marked up the price of a PS3, and both are owned by BestBuy US. So apparently Sony has nothing to do with this.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25337080

Thanks to folks over at Destructoid for pointing this out.

StargazerXL
01-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Yes, it is dumb, but the Canadian dollar has been falling rather quickly recently.
It was 1$CDN = $0.90USD in November (when the PS3 launched), so the cost in American currency for a Canadian PS3 was $659CDN = $593.10USE. Now, the currency exchange rate is 1$CDN = $0.85USD, which means a Canadian PS3 at $699CDN = $594.15USD, an increase of $1.05USD. (Note that the cost of the 60GB PS3 is still slightly cheaper in Canada than in the US where it is $599USD, but see below.)

So, it's a price "correction" to ensure Sony is not losing even more money per unit sold. Still, it sucks to have to pay an extra $40CDN, especially since we already have to pay higher retail taxes.

Game prices tend also to be slightly higher here in Canada even with the currency exchange. Especially galling was that "Greatest Hits" at $19.99USD were sold up here at $29.99CDN, and only recently were a few lowered to $24.99CDN.

Johan
01-26-2007, 04:50 PM
UPDATE

According to Gamespot ONLY Futureshop and BestBuy have marked up the price of a PS3, and both are owned by BestBuy US. So apparently Sony has nothing to do with this.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25337080

Thanks to folks over at Destructoid for pointing this out.

Full disclosure (which you're lacking):

"This increase is solely at the discretion of the retailer, as Sony Computer Entertainment Canada has not issued a price increase."

This is a totally disingenuous response. Like other companies that send their products through the retail chain, Sony can mandate prices at the retail level. Apple does it with all of their iPod products...Sony is allowing this price increase to go through. So, you've succeeded in spreading blame, not deflecting it. Best Buy is raising the price, and Sony is doing nothing to stop them. Both of them suck. And other retail outlets will surely follow the lead here.

NightRain
01-26-2007, 04:51 PM
Just called Wal-Mart their price is actually $658.83 for the 60GB version. If you goto Futureshop or Bestbuy (seems to be the only ones who have raised prices) you can screw them with a price match using their 110% policy you ge tthe system for $654.71, so that is still okay. Until other retailers follow suit.

Tyrant
01-26-2007, 04:53 PM
If it's ony BB and FS doing the price drop, this is pretty stupid on their part because of their price match policy. Basically, if you find a lower price for a product, they'll beat it by 10%. So if you're willing to engage in consumer combat with customer service, you can save 4 whole dollars!

Philonious
01-26-2007, 04:59 PM
If it's ony BB and FS doing the price drop, this is pretty stupid on their part because of their price match policy. Basically, if you find a lower price for a product, they'll beat it by 10%. So if you're willing to engage in consumer combat with customer service, you can save 4 whole dollars!

Which is why I think its a flub... Someone posting an incorrect price on the site of something... Of course it's more important to post an anti-Sony news item then it is to research said news item. Welcome to the intertubes, please leave reason at the door.

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 05:03 PM
According to Gamespot ONLY Futureshop and BestBuy have marked up the price of a PS3, and both are owned by BestBuy US.

Uh, are you SURE about that? In many places around here, there's a Future Shop and a Best Buy near each other, and act like direct competitors. I was under the impression that Future Shop is basically the Canadian version of Circuit City.

Philonious
01-26-2007, 05:07 PM
Like other companies that send their products through the retail chain, Sony can mandate prices at the retail level. Apple does it with all of their iPod products...Sony is allowing this price increase to go through. So, you've succeeded in spreading blame, not deflecting it. Best Buy is raising the price, and Sony is doing nothing to stop them. Both of them suck. And other retail outlets will surely follow the lead here.

The key word being CAN. You're assuming that Sony has something/anything to do with this, without any shred of evidence showing that they do. Time will tell what's going on, but ragging on Sony when there is no evidence of their role in this is weak. Sony likely has retailers market the PS3 like any other consumer products (like TVs) which the retailers set the price. They likely do this because they assume that the PS3 would be competitive and sell. Which it isn't, but Sony's role in this (so far) as big as yours. Have you done anything to stop the price increase? Damn its a conspiracy between Johan, BB/FS and Sony.

Seriously Sony is doing a fantastic job of screwing up on their own, we don't need to be making up reasons to show how much they've been sucking lately.

Philonious
01-26-2007, 05:08 PM
Uh, are you SURE about that? In many places around here, there's a Future Shop and a Best Buy near each other, and act like direct competitors. I was under the impression that Future Shop is basically the Canadian version of Circuit City.

100% Sure...

http://www.futureshop.ca/companyinfo/content/default.asp?s_page=info&logon=&langid=EN

Johan
01-26-2007, 05:14 PM
we don't need to be making up reasons to show how much they've been sucking lately.

I'm not making up anything. If Sony didn't want a price increase, there wouldn't be one. Simple as that.

Allowing an increase has the same result as actually demanding one. Either way, Sony has the ultimate say on whether a price range is acceptable for their product or not. Apple has strict price controls at retail. Any company can do that with their product, especially a large, powerful multinational like Sony.

BlackPete
01-26-2007, 05:16 PM
100% Sure...

http://www.futureshop.ca/companyinfo/content/default.asp?s_page=info&logon=&langid=EN

Wow cool, didn't know that. Thanks :D

Now it makes the behaviours of Future Shop and Best Buy look even more weird and schizophrenic especially when it comes to prices. I've even gone to Future Shop and had them match/beat a listed price by Best Buy. Weird.

Philonious
01-26-2007, 05:37 PM
Allowing an increase has the same result as actually demanding one.

That is complete BS. Given that the PS2 sold like hotcakes there would be no reason to assume any company would choose to increase the price of the PS3... They would be losing business to competitors. Honestly, there is no logical explanation for the price increase. Sure they'd make marginally more profit on any PS3 they sold, but any savvy consumer would just hit up another store...

Oh shit. BB/FS has price matching and promises to beat the competition by 1%. Are they insane enough to raise the price so that people bring in adds from other stores and choose to buy their PS3s from BB/FS? This would help them ditch their overstock and make money on their service plans... That would be some weird logic. If Sony legislates how low stores can sell the PS3 for but not how high... This technically gives BB/FS the ability to drop prices. Are they this crazy? Am I?

torrefaction
01-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Wow cool, didn't know that. Thanks :D

Now it makes the behaviours of Future Shop and Best Buy look even more weird and schizophrenic especially when it comes to prices. I've even gone to Future Shop and had them match/beat a listed price by Best Buy. Weird.

If they piss someone off, they get their money at their other store. They also using different branding and marketing to attract seperate groups of people. Companies are tricky like that.

Dracula-X
01-26-2007, 06:53 PM
So, Sony didn't jack up the MSRP, eh? FS/BB are the hosers, eh?

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NightRain
01-26-2007, 07:00 PM
Uh, are you SURE about that? In many places around here, there's a Future Shop and a Best Buy near each other, and act like direct competitors. I was under the impression that Future Shop is basically the Canadian version of Circuit City.

Yes, Best Buy US bought Futureshop a couple years ago. They are acting like competitors but are owned by the same company. In fact I have returned thigns I purchased at www.bestbuy.ca to a futureshop store since we have no best buy here in Newfoundland. I got a full refund, in fact I've even used a best buy gift card at Futureshop with zero problems. Oh, a lot of the stuff delivered to our Futureshop has Best Buy on the boxes (like boxes of DVD movies delivered from their warehouse).

Johan
01-26-2007, 08:05 PM
That is complete BS.

Okay, I said:

Allowing an increase has the same result as actually demanding one.

Actually, that's not BS at all. However the price goes up, the result is the same. If my $1.00 soda goes up to $2.00, how it gets there is immaterial (except as concerns where I direct my complaints)...whether by the producer, the distributor...the result is the same.

Are you somehow insane?

You may take issue with the fact that I still find some fault with Sony on this, but you chose the wrong part of my post to make your point!

Allowing an increase has the same effect as actually demanding one. That's not BS, that's a fact. The price went up.

Wow...reading comprehension. :D

Philonious
01-26-2007, 08:46 PM
Are you somehow insane?

Spare me the insults.

Allowing an increase has the same effect as actually demanding one. That's not BS, that's a fact. The price went up.

The decision was made by BESTBUY. You're putting the onus on Sony. And, so far, the results are not the same: The price increase affects two Canadian retailers and not the entire market. If it had come from Sony it would affect all stores across Canada, which (again, so far) is simply not the case.

Regardless, we'll never agree with one another. You've proven to be incapable of rational thought when it comes to Sony and, frankly, you seem to enjoy pissing on anything I post. I'm not sure why, but maybe you should take that $500 you've saved up and find something better to do with your time than flame my posts. French lessons perhaps?

Johan
01-26-2007, 08:58 PM
Do you even read what you post?

You quoted me: Allowing an increase has the same result as actually demanding one.

And you said:

That is complete BS.

Good Lord...HOW is that BS? The result is the same for the product in that store either way! If, as I clearly and rationally state, you had a beef with my continuing to lay some of the onus on Sony, you should have quoted something regarding my blaming Sony.

Your selective choice of my words did NOT support your point. Your statement was either stupid or insane.

Spare me the insults.

It's not personal at all. And I'm insulted you said something so stupid in response to the words you chose from my post. To state that my quote is BS is, when you actually READ MY WORDS which YOU CHOSE AND QUOTED in order to call them BS...either stupid or insane.

You've proven to be incapable of rational thought when it comes to Sony and, frankly, you seem to enjoy pissing on anything I post.

You made is so simple, with such a stupid statement!

Your statement of BS was, in itself, BS! And I'm quite rational when it comes to Sony. In fact, the most rational thing to do right now is to NOT buy a PS3, with so few games and the prospect of a substantially smaller console base, and hence library of games, this generation.

Of course, nobody can know that for sure right now. Such is life!

C'est la vie! It is the life (or, as we would say in English, "that's life").

Philonious
01-26-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm done with this pissing match. You win. Sony is to blame.

Virtual Machine
01-26-2007, 09:42 PM
Ok, a little info for those of you who don't understand how Canadian video game retail works.

SONY themselves does not sell the PS3 to retail. This is done through authorized wholesalers. Retailers like Wal Mart and Futureshop and the video game franchise (not chain) i work for (I've been here a while - 9 years now, Nightrain knows me, that's all i'm willing to say so's not to get myself in shit) acquires said product from said suppliers. The only one of the big three offering direct distribution is Nintendo. Microsoft 1st party comes from a company called *censored*, and Sony's stuff is generally handled by a company called *censored*. The price hike comes from the supplier, not from Sony, and it is in fact the same wholesale price we've been paying to said supplier for the systems since LAUNCH! I can only assume Future Shop was in the same boat and using the system as a "loss leader", and decided they'd had enough of bleeding cash. The fact that *censored* is repeadtedly blaming the US Exchange rate also continues to make me ill, and want to throttle them. Factoring in exchange, we actually pay LESS at retail for a PS3 than Americans do, if we buy a system at Sony's SRP, i'd venture to guess that what's happening is *censored* is grabbing consoles from an across the boarder source and paying American dollars for em, while Wal Mart has some sort of sweetness in place with Sony Canada that's gobbling up their allocations.

I did a little snooping to benefit my local homeboys - Dominion, Toys R Us, Wal Mart, and yes, as of today, even Future Shop all quoted me the 659 price - though FS was sold out.

EB Games is exempt, as all of their product comes from a centralized hub, kind of like their own little FedEX, and Wal Mart, well they're fucking bananas anyway.

Also - these stories of PS3's just sitting on shelves in the St. John's area is bullshit - until the middle of January - stock was vanishing as quickly as it could come in - However there was a huge replenish early this month, and the retail channel has been lately getting enough product to sate the demand. Whether that means no one is buying them now or not i don't know, but there are shipments hitting the city, and i am in a position to know. Wii-insanity is still at the height though, and stores have been seeing far fewer of these than PS3's, usually in batches of 30 or so once every 3.5 weeks.

Just trying to get the info out there so we don't all jump to the wrong conclusions.

Dirty Harry
01-26-2007, 10:05 PM
Oh sweet fucking Christ you're kidding me.

Edit: And no, I don't know a single person with a PS3 or any interest at all in owning one. The only display units I've seen at stores have all been broken as well. So I can't imagine it's selling well here.
Its just like the ps2 launch, fucking paying 700 dollars for a ps2.

BadCRC
01-27-2007, 12:01 AM
That's crazy, WTF?

Nighted
01-27-2007, 01:48 AM
This will kill Sony in Canada....$40 is a case of beer! That alone will banish them for good.

So if you were thinking of getting on the Sony boat (Titanic) and grabbing a case of beer, well think again. I'll get my Wii on and get a couple kegs, some games and an extra Wiimote....PARTY TIME!

torrefaction
01-27-2007, 09:51 AM
Yeah, this really wasn't on Sony, although I'm sure they could've made moves to prevent this from happening.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25337080&sid=6164872&tag=latestnews;title;0

Serapth
01-27-2007, 09:57 AM
What doesnt make sense is, BB is blaming currency changes, yet at the same time havent raised the Xbox or Wii prices???

Johan
01-27-2007, 10:10 AM
That's crazy, WTF?

I absolutely LOVE your sig.

Just had to say that. Carry on. :)

torrefaction
01-27-2007, 10:11 AM
What doesnt make sense is, BB is blaming currency changes, yet at the same time havent raised the Xbox or Wii prices???

Cue Sony fanboy conspiracy theorists.

Johan
01-27-2007, 10:13 AM
What doesnt make sense is, BB is blaming currency changes, yet at the same time havent raised the Xbox or Wii prices???

Too true.

Sony is a huge multinational. They could put a stop to price increases. Apple does it with the iPod...Sony could as well, but they're not.

And it makes absolutely no sense for a company that price matches (others have said in this thread that they do that) to raise prices while the competition doesn't...especially when they have a policy of paying the difference plus more back to the consumer.

Avy
01-28-2007, 09:50 AM
It's damned near impossible to sell those things, but the demand for the Wii [at least, in my store] is still ridiculously high.

The funny thing is, at least once a day someone asks me if they've 'lowered the price on that PS3 yet'. The system's barely been out three months and people are expecting it to drop in price?

From what I've heard though, the Futureshops/BB's stockpile all their merchandise, but I don't know how true this rumour actually is.

Trazzlo the Magnificant
01-28-2007, 11:03 AM
Doesn't the US have tariff's in place for electronics? I don't believe Canada does since it doesn't have an industry of any size to protect. As I recall that is why many electronics products are less in Canada than they US, unless they are American products.

It would also explain this situation if BB/FS bring theirs in through their American warehousing. They would be paying the tariffs plus the differences in exchange rate.

Either way, it does look like the PS3 is generally going up in price rather than down when you see the prices set for Europe. US is remaining the same, and Japan is getting significant price breaks or bundles.

And the Wii sells no matter what.

Tyrant
01-28-2007, 11:20 AM
From what I've heard though, the Futureshops/BB's stockpile all their merchandise, but I don't know how true this rumour actually is.

During the initial launch of both consoles, they were being stockpiled for release every Friday. As far as I'm aware, that is no longer that case.

Kamalot
01-28-2007, 01:51 PM
It's damned near impossible to sell those things, but the demand for the Wii [at least, in my store] is still ridiculously high.

The funny thing is, at least once a day someone asks me if they've 'lowered the price on that PS3 yet'. The system's barely been out three months and people are expecting it to drop in price?

From what I've heard though, the Futureshops/BB's stockpile all their merchandise, but I don't know how true this rumour actually is.
Do you work at a big-box retailer or a game store?

Sl1pstream
01-28-2007, 02:16 PM
Way to go, SoccerShoes! :D

Soccer? You guys don't even use a ball...or your feet. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if they upped the price throughout Europe just before launch.

Avy
01-30-2007, 08:13 PM
Do you work at a big-box retailer or a game store?

I work at an EB. Why would it make a difference?