[Comics] - Civil War #7 Pushed back to 2/21

[Dr.Finger]

To the suprise of absolutely no one, the final installment of Marvel's break-the-internet-in-half event has been (once again) delayed (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96762), from January 31 to February 21. Worse still, instead of announcing the delay Marvel simply revised the date on their website solicitation.

For those keeping score that means it will take 10 months to release 7 issues, and that's assuming this date is met.

[cppcrusader]

I can't wait for this damn thing to end now. Maybe this last delay will help them salvage this event, though I'm not holding my breath. Did anything come out in the last two weeks to breathe life back into it? I've been on vacation and just got back last night.

[GrinR]

Pusehed back?

Pussied back?

[dr_wily]

man dude the spelling errors on EA of late have been horrible.

wheres the journalistic integrity to hit spell check? or even look at what you typed?

should be called evior avatart

[Sandman]

Pusehed....sounds like a band name...or a XBL gamertag.

[eltee38]

aw marvel fuck the hell right off!!

[Cha-Ka]

Impatient curs. Quality is always worth waiting for!

[GrinR]

man dude the spelling errors on EA of late have been horrible.

wheres the journalistic integrity to hit spell check? or even look at what you typed?

should be called evior avatart

LOL god that made me laugh. Evior Avatart!!!!

[digitalErich]

Ah for f*ck's sake Marvel.

In related news, Erich's commitment to drop most of his Marvel pulls has been pushed up a month.

[digitalErich]

Quality is always worth waiting for!
Show me the quality in the last two (delayed) issues.

[TheWookieeHasNoPants]

and still no Ultimates!

[captainspankypants]

The only thing that has me even slightly interested in this storyline anymore is why Spidey's going back to the black costume, aside from Spider-Man 3 hitting theaters soon. I don't give a flying fart about superhero registration, what happens to Captain America and Iron Man, or what Punisher might do. I certainly don't buy these crap issues any more, and the only thing that keeps me reading the reviews and commentary in the forums is that damn black costume.

Yeah, I'm a Spidey whore.

[digitalErich]

The only thing that has me even slightly interested in this storyline anymore is why Spidey's going back to the black costume, aside from Spider-Man 3 hitting theaters soon.
You've answered your own question. Marvel can deny there is no connection until they're blue in the face. I'm not an idiot, don't insult my intelligence, Marvel. Also, what's so bad about admitting that it's a tie-in? Getting more people into comics is a good thing for everyone last time I checked.

But I'm right there with you, although the fallout I'm interested in is the dynamics of having 2 Avenger teams. It could be really interesting if handled right, but that's what I thought about Civil War before it began.

[Sl1pstream]

Looks like someone "Pusehed" the wrong buttons.

I'll pick up issue 6 tomorrow. Nice to see how they're keeping everyone happy.

[thecrazyd]

Yet will this stop anyone from buying it? No! But they flood on the hollow and meaningless complaints.

[digitalErich]

Yet will this stop anyone from buying it? No! But they flood on the hollow and meaningless complaints.
No, it won't stop them from buying CW #7, but it will stop them from buying book after book of Marvel comics afterward. They will hurt from this. If you think I'm making this all up, meet my friend, 90's comics market. Remember him?

[agentgray]

Dear Marvel:

The suspense is not there for me to warrant getting excited about issue 7 of Civil War considering the last two issues were filler.

Also, please contact DC, and ask to speak to the editors of their comic called 52. They know something about timeliness and being prepared. (Sickness my butt.) Please tell Joe that I've dropped all my Marvel tie-in books except one, Amazing Spider-Man. It's too bad Nextwave is going away, Wolverine has a new team, and Astonishing X-Men only has a few good issues left. Oh, and Punisher's War Journal reads like a Japanese school girl's diary.

Thank you.

[AspectVoid]

I'm glad for the delay. I'm gonna be gone on business from the 27th to the 10th, so I wouldn't have been around to get CW#7 anyway. This makes me feel much happier.

[thecrazyd]

No, it won't stop them from buying CW #7, but it will stop them from buying book after book of Marvel comics afterward. They will hurt from this. If you think I'm making this all up, meet my friend, 90's comics market. Remember him?
Pfff. I'll believe it when I see it. There may be a few people who decide to make a point by not buying anything further, but I bet their numbers will still be higher because of this event.

Not buying books afterwards is just fucking stupid anyway. You want to vote with your dollar? Don't buy issue seven. Not buying what could be quality books to protest the bad books you did buy is absurd.

[DjinniMan]

The only thing that has me even slightly interested in this storyline anymore is why Spidey's going back to the black costume, aside from Spider-Man 3 hitting theaters soon. I don't give a flying fart about superhero registration, what happens to Captain America and Iron Man, or what Punisher might do. I certainly don't buy these crap issues any more, and the only thing that keeps me reading the reviews and commentary in the forums is that damn black costume.

Yeah, I'm a Spidey whore.

So will they finally kill off Mary Jane? You know they want to. Heck maybe she gets dropped off a bridge in Spidey 3, who knows?

[digitalErich]

Not buying books afterwards is just fucking stupid anyway. You want to vote with your dollar? Don't buy issue seven. Not buying what could be quality books to protest the bad books you did buy is absurd.
The books I'm dropping are not quality as far as I'm concerned.

Also, when talking about voting with your dollar, what is going to send a larger message...not buying one issue or dropping 5 or 6 comics from your monthly pull list? I don't see this as absurd at all. It's not like I'm dropping Astonashing or Runaways because of CW...I'm just dropping everything else.

[JimmyDanger]

If you think I'm making this all up, meet my friend, 90's comics market. Remember him?

And as I've repeatedy stated - Civil War is bigger than any 90's crossover "event" from Marvel - which excluding Onslaught and Infinity War - kept to their "family" of titles (X-Cutioners Song, Galactic Storm).

Why the fuck they attempted this - after the "driving readers away in droves" crossover practices of the 90's - beggars belief.
In the 90's at least they brought their books out generally on time (Marvel - not Image). Late books - especially when their late books that feel more and more phoned in - and people feel obligated to buy them - well it's just bad service to loyal customers.

[thecrazyd]

The books I'm dropping are not quality as far as I'm concerned.

Also, when talking about voting with your dollar, what is going to send a larger message...not buying one issue or dropping 5 or 6 comics from your monthly pull list? I don't see this as absurd at all. It's not like I'm dropping Astonashing or Runaways because of CW...I'm just dropping everything else.
Why not do both, if you are so committed to drop unrelated books? My main point is, if you are not a fan of the business practices of the big events, have been turned off by delays of the big events, and been annoyed by the content of the big events, maybe it is the big events that you should stop buying.

And if you aren't dropping the quality books because of Civil War, what are you dropping? The books you would have dropped anyway, that you were just buying because they were tie ins? The mediocre books that you have been picking up for a while, but should have dropped a long time ago?

[Cha-Ka]

Show me the quality in the last two (delayed) issues.

No can do. I'm still in working my way through crossovers that lead up to issue #4. But i feel the pain of delays. I just usually assume that waiting is better than getting a rushed product sooner.

[Sazime]

Good god. Yeah, my enthusiasm (yeah, spelling?) in Marvel has hit an all time low. How many more issues will they add to the list for more filler? Joe Q needs to stop acting like such an elitist and realize the company he works for is not they be all end all. I'll be happy to be buying more Image titles by the end of this year.

[Dr.Finger]

Firstly, I apologize for the spelling errors. Now get the F off my case:p

And as I've repeatedy stated - Civil War is bigger than any 90's crossover "event" from Marvel - which excluding Onslaught and Infinity War - kept to their "family" of titles (X-Cutioners Song, Galactic Storm).

Why the fuck they attempted this - after the "driving readers away in droves" crossover practices of the 90's - beggars belief.
In the 90's at least they brought their books out generally on time (Marvel - not Image). Late books - especially when their late books that feel more and more phoned in - and people feel obligated to buy them - well it's just bad service to loyal customers.Bottom line is crossovers, even bad ones, tend to spike sales at least in the short term. Maybe Marvel saw how much success DC has, both commercially and critically, with IC and said 'me too'. Remember they were planning a summer crossover that was going to be basically SHIELD vs. the Marvel Universe and that got scrapped after Millar pitched Civil War.

End of the day I blame Quesada and Brevoort first, for not giving notoriously slow Mark Millar and relatively untested Steve McNiven enough lead time. After that I've gotta kill Millar. Every book he's on does this now, (remember "If The Ultimates isn't done by the end of '06 you can kick me in the nuts") but since there are never any tangible consequences for it he'll never change his ways.

[Sazime]

I look at Millar, then I look at Ellis, Fraction, Morrison, Simone and a number of others and think, "ARE YOU FUCKING LAZY OR WHAT?!?" It's nuts. Every other mainstream writer worth their salt is writing 3+ titles. He has one, ONE to work on, and he can't, quite.... do it. Not CW, Ultimates. It should be done, damnitt.

[Heretic Machine]

Comic fans are even more impatient than the average gamer, jeeze... What is the big deal? The issue got pushed back, you will still get to read it. Why are you in such a hurry?

[Everlost_MI]

Machine Man put it best..."Mark Millar licks goats." Indeed. Indeed.

Cynical? Jaded? Maybe but I tend to think of myself being more of a realist than anything.

[Sazime]

Comic fans are even more impatient than the average gamer, jeeze... What is the big deal? The issue got pushed back, you will still get to read it. Why are you in such a hurry?
I tend to be a little easier on games. In this case, an editor got overambitious and now an artist can't keep up with is schedule. It's been delay after delay, with filler issues inserted in the mean time. It's just a shitty way to handle business, comic-wise. I'll be buying the issue, and I am buying a lot of other Marvel stuff, but at this rate I may as well wait for trades in regards to any other events.

[thecrazyd]

But I'm right there with you, although the fallout I'm interested in is the dynamics of having 2 Avenger teams.
Five bucks says that Wolverine is on both of them.

[Furious Wang]

So will they finally kill off Mary Jane? You know they want to. Heck maybe she gets dropped off a bridge in Spidey 3, who knows?

No. They're going to kill off Aunt May. There was proper foreshadowing in one of the last Spidie issues (I can't remember which of the 10 it was), where Rhino beats the crap out of Spiderman and Aunt May basically reminisces (sp?) about tending to Parker's wounds when he was a child but realizes that now Parker has Mary Jane to care for him. Parker will prolly be all pissed and emo and it will prolly drive a wedge in his relationship with Mary Jane and the black suit will come back. Maybe it will be a normal black suit. Maybe it will be a controllable Venom suit since SHIELD has been screwing around with controlling him to hunt down antireg superhumans. Who knows.

I just hope they don't go for the cliched, doubledeathtrap, "You only have time to save one of them Parker! Who will you choose?" nonsense.

The one thing that's lost me in all of this is the development of his new powers that he gained right before Civil War by "embracing the Spider". Like, he had damn stingers shoot out of his wrist in one issue and we've never seen them again. Did they just abandon that whole storyline or what?

[digitalErich]

Five bucks says that Wolverine is on both of them.
That's a sucker's bet. I think I saw Wolverine in a panel of Green Lantern last week.

[Heretic Machine]

The one thing that's lost me in all of this is the development of his new powers that he gained right before Civil War by "embracing the Spider". Like, he had damn stingers shoot out of his wrist in one issue and we've never seen them again. Did they just abandon that whole storyline or what?

Who knows... too many people have their hands on Spidey books right now. Or, at the very least, too many people are writing him to have any kind of consistency when trying to drastically change his character.

[digitalErich]

And if you aren't dropping the quality books because of Civil War, what are you dropping? The books you would have dropped anyway, that you were just buying because they were tie ins? The mediocre books that you have been picking up for a while, but should have dropped a long time ago?
I'm probably not saying what I'm thinking here. I look at it this way: after a successful event, publishers want readers to be interested in other books/characters they've never read before. Almost every DC book spiked when OYL started.

With Civil War, not only am I not interested in new characters/trying new books (sans maybe Thunderbolts) the event seems to be winding down in such a way that I won't be interested in the characters/books I'm already reading.

You are correct that even after a good event, I would be dropping a few books. The books I sampled for OYL I gave a chance and some I let go others I kept. With Marvel, I'm not even going to bother.

As an example, it seems to me that Captain America and Iron Man are completely different characters depending on if you read CW, their solo books, or any of the numerous one shots. Inconsistancies like that make me less interested in the universe as a whole, which is why I'm sticking with slightly-left-of main U books after CW.

I wish CW was turning out differently, I really do. I thought after the mediocre House of M, Marvel could regroup and pull off something great. Civil War had me really excited, the premise was cool and the first 4 issues were killer, but it fizzled out for me. And if the event itself is letting me down, what do I have to look forward to in the aftermath, which is supposed to "ripple through the Marvel Universe"? If I stopped caring about the cause, why would I care about the effect?

[Dr.Finger]

The one thing that's lost me in all of this is the development of his new powers that he gained right before Civil War by "embracing the Spider". Like, he had damn stingers shoot out of his wrist in one issue and we've never seen them again. Did they just abandon that whole storyline or what?The plan (as I heard) was for JMS to explore more of the 'Inner Spider' stuff starting 3-4 months after The Other. Then Civil War came down and plans changed, but Peter David and Aguirre-Sacca still aren't supposed to touch that side of Spidey until JMS lays out his master plan. I'd wager that master plan will wrap up soon since JMS is leaving the book.

[zipR]

A comic book delayed? That's CRAZY!!!

[gpryu]

I'm probably not saying what I'm thinking here. I look at it this way: after a successful event, publishers want readers to be interested in other books/characters they've never read before. Almost every DC book spiked when OYL started.

With Civil War, not only am I not interested in new characters/trying new books (sans maybe Thunderbolts) the event seems to be winding down in such a way that I won't be interested in the characters/books I'm already reading.

You are correct that even after a good event, I would be dropping a few books. The books I sampled for OYL I gave a chance and some I let go others I kept. With Marvel, I'm not even going to bother.

As an example, it seems to me that Captain America and Iron Man are completely different characters depending on if you read CW, their solo books, or any of the numerous one shots. Inconsistancies like that make me less interested in the universe as a whole, which is why I'm sticking with slightly-left-of main U books after CW.

I wish CW was turning out differently, I really do. I thought after the mediocre House of M, Marvel could regroup and pull off something great. Civil War had me really excited, the premise was cool and the first 4 issues were killer, but it fizzled out for me. And if the event itself is letting me down, what do I have to look forward to in the aftermath, which is supposed to "ripple through the Marvel Universe." If I stopped caring about the cause, why would I care about the effect?

I would tend to disagree on the Stark/Cap bit; since the Illuminati special, they've been consistent with Stark in that he feels the alternate to the reg act is going to be Days of Future Past bad (the whole bit about being a futurist, with the Days part being alluded to in the Cap/Iron Man one off). He's doing what he feels needs to be done, even if it's pissing folks off. Cap, he's standing by what he believes in, even it means going against his government (BTW, he has done before, and that's why we have US Agent). Having not read #6 (freakin' West Coast delay), I can't comment based on that, but up to that they've been fairly consistent; Stark is pushing forward, sometimes second guessing himself, always staying the course. Cap isn't backing down, since he views this as a fight of basic American rights. In the end, my money is on Stark getting exactly what he wants which I don't think we as reader's are privy too (again, the whole futurist thing), and that's going to change shit. And, given some of the forshadowing, I'm guessing Stark is either becoming head of Shield (NA #25) or dying in a physical sense to live on as AI (sort of in NA #24 during the speech with Sentry). No idea what they'll do with Cap though, and odds are Spidey is about to get a punch in the gut one way or the other.

Will it be as sweeping a change as they promise? I doubt it. Was Infinite Crisis? Not really; 52 seems to have had more impact IMO, although it'll be interesting to see how they explain none of these storylines save maybe the Luthor one affecting current continuity (yet). Going back to IC, all it did was reset the big three and forced us into buying a ton of extra books to read everything (Civil War is guilty of this as well... would it kill them to cover all the plot points in the main book?). And while it was on time, the art at the end was all over the place. I'd rather take the hit and see it done right vs get it out on time and have it suck. But, I agree with most other folks in that the schedule should have been padded a bit more.

Anyway, read the Cap/Iron Man one shot for a good read on how both characters think, and let's see where this shakes out. I think it'll be worth it, but then again I'm a Marvel nut :)

[Heretic Machine]

You mean too many people to do a good job with it. That doesn't mean the editors won't have it done anyways.

Dude, I wasn't questioning the quality of the Spidey books: I read all of them (except Marvel Adventures), and they are my favorites. But the fact is that unless all the writers are told that they need to start working on expanding the ramifications of "The Other" they will just continue to do their own thing, and Strazynski will be the only one doing anything with the new powers.

[J3DI]

With all the delays I've stopped even trying to go out and buy these... I just wait for them to show up on bittorrent and toss'em when I'm done. Which is sad because I used to be such a collector of this series.

[Spigot]

Sigh... and here I almost thought that they'd get this whole mess wrapped up by the end of the month.

I'm still shocked that they hadn't had this planned out months in advance. What really gets me is that I look at Ultimate Power, which is as gorgeous as CW, and wonder why McNiven is having such a hard time getting things done.

I wouldn't have minded so much except that Issue #6 of CW was pure and total filler. My interest in the actual conflict at the heart of this event was starting to wane a bit as it was, then they toss in an issue that added NOTHING to the mix.

Sigh.

D, I may be insane with my purchasing of so many comics but I truly have been enjoying most of the tie-ins. It's the main books that bug me. That said, I'm not going to stop now and not pick up the last book to see how it all ends.

[Dylan McCrae]

I can answer why Ultimate Power is getting done on time, its quite easy actually. Like Tim Bradstreet, Greg Land is a straight up freakin' tracer haha

Its that simple.

McNiven is not made for a mega universe spanning event, they chose the wrong artist. Artists with more realistic looking art just can't hack it when it comes to huge battles and panels with multiple characters. McNiven was a bad choice, they should have went with McGuiness or someone along those lines. The artists with their super duper realistic styles are doing more harm to comics then good. Sure everything looks more real, but it takes alot of the fantastic and wonder out of the comics. If I want real, I'll look outside.

They can't seem to get things out on time either.

[Spigot]

They should have had Immonen do Civil War... or Ramos. I could die a happy man then :)

[Dylan McCrae]

Immonen would have been great actually, but I'd rather have him on a awesome book like Nextwave. :]

[Anthony W]

I haven't seen such a gap between sales and quality since early IMAGE comics.

[thecrazyd]

They should have got Jim Mahfood on Civil War.

[digitalErich]

gpryu, I agree with you about the their motives...I wasn't complaining about that. I was complaining that given their motives, they seem to act inconsistant between books.

[Buddha Lotus]

Issue 6 was .,.. ehhh..

It seems like they could have made issue 6 into the first page or two of an issue. I guess thats what everyone means by filler?

Also.. How in HELL are they going to finish up this story in one more issue???

Answer: they probably wont.. there will most likely be a slew of "post" Civil War books

[Everlost_MI]

I haven't seen such a gap between sales and quality since early IMAGE comics.
Thanks for the early morning, chuckle.

[Spigot]

Issue 6 was .,.. ehhh..

It seems like they could have made issue 6 into the first page or two of an issue. I guess thats what everyone means by filler?

Also.. How in HELL are they going to finish up this story in one more issue???

Answer: they probably wont.. there will most likely be a slew of "post" Civil War books
EXACTLY!

If they had kept the 'content' of issue #6 as the first half of the book and oh, I don't know, STARTED THE FIGHT, then you could have had it finish in the first half of the final issue #7 and dealt with the fall-out. I don't expect EVERY thread to be tied up at the end of #7 but I'm expecting a good chunk of the threads to be resolved.

And now that I think about it, they should have really had Liefeld doing the book. Less feet = more punching...

[digitalErich]

I haven't seen such a gap between sales and quality since early IMAGE comics.
Wow...excellent zinger there.
/salute

[Dr.Finger]

Guess what? (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96854) Marvel is adding more filler to the Civil War schedule to make up for the delay! Wow, for the privilege of suffering through a ridiculous delay, I can now actually buy MORE meaningless tie-ins. /sarcasm

You know what, if Marvel's editors spent as much time hectoring Millar & McNiven as they did pumping out poorly planned filler books they wouldn't need so many poorly planned filler books.

Think back to when the delays were first announced. Most of the tie-ins up to that point had been pretty good, if not outstanding. Since the first major delay (mid August) the quality of the tie-ins has slipped greatly. Whether that's due to the pacing being thrown off, the many new books added to the slate, or a combination of the two, I don't know. All I know is my enthusiasm for Civil War is at it's lowest point. Wrap it up and move on.

One last point on Being Good vs. Being on time. I want the hightst quality book I can get. But when I weigh a (top quality) fill-in artist versus a 3 month delay, I'm voting for the fill-in artist.

[Spigot]

Think back to when the delays were first announced. Most of the tie-ins up to that point had been pretty good, if not outstanding. Since the first major delay (mid August) the quality of the tie-ins has slipped greatly. Whether that's due to the pacing being thrown off, the many new books added to the slate, or a combination of the two, I don't know. All I know is my enthusiasm for Civil War is at it's lowest point. Wrap it up and move on.

I like this from the Confessions write-up.

Two of the Marvel heroes most affected by the shocking conclusion of the war get together one last time. What is said between them will set the course of the Marvel Universe for years to come.

I bet it will end something like this...

Cap: I'm sorry, Tony.

Tony: I'm sorry, Steve.

Cap: I love you man!

Tony: No! I love YOU man!

Cap & Tony hug.

Seriously though, why do they need this? Assuming it's Cap & Tony (and not, say, Reed & Sue), they already did something like this with the latest Iron Man & Captain America book (I'm forgetting the exact title, but you know which one I'm talking about).

They've talked things out so much that I can't see one or the other suddenly having an epiphany and realizing they were in the wrong.

[Sazime]

I fucking knew they were gonna have more fill in. Mother fucking fuckers.

[Dylan McCrae]

Suck shit to all the people who buy every Civil War tie-in, you suckers are going to get run into the ground haha

How many more times are Cap and Tony going to get together to chat?! I can see them making a mini-series out of Cap and Tony talking. Bendis can write 6-8 issues of people straight talking no problem, so there's a good chance it will happen. I can see a Civil War: The End project coming out of this as well.

Civil War: The End #1
Set 50 years in the future of the Marvel Universe, two of the Marvel heroes most affected by the shocking conclusion of Civil War get together for possibly the last time. What is said between them will set the course of the Marvel Universe for years to come.
Features a special guest appearance by Wolverine.

[Spigot]

Suck shit to all the people who buy every Civil War tie-in, you suckers are going to get run into the ground haha
Why are you always so mean to us?!

I'm going to send you a virtual bar of soap to wash out that dirty mouth of your's! :)

[Kefkataran]

Haha, Marvel, you fucking dipshits. Okay, yes, EVERYONE expected Civil War #7 to be delayed, but a whole fucking month? Geez. And MORE pointless tie-ins? Hahaha. Joe Quesada can and is sucking both my balls.

[Spigot]

Haha, Marvel, you fucking dipshits. Okay, yes, EVERYONE expected Civil War #7 to be delayed, but a whole fucking month? Geez. And MORE pointless tie-ins? Hahaha. Joe Quesada can and is sucking both my balls.
That must be why you have that silly grin on your face and keep handing him money :)

[Kefkataran]

Hahaha, you'll see how much money I'm handing him when I post this week's Comic Day thread in a couple minutes.

[Kefkataran]

Goddammit. They've announced ANOTHER five-issue Civil War mini-series (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays30.html). Titled "Fallen Son", the series is modeled after the five stages of grief with each issue focusing on a different character who embodies that stage post-Civil War. Apparantly Captain America is "bargaining". What the hell.

[Zeal]

This entire series is just one massive flop.

[Spigot]

Goddammit. They've announced ANOTHER five-issue Civil War mini-series (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays30.html). Titled "Fallen Son", the series is modeled after the five stages of grief with each issue focusing on a different character who embodies that stage post-Civil War. Apparantly Captain America is "bargaining". What the hell.
Awesome! I can't wait to pour more money directly from my wallet into Joe Q's mouth.

Sadly, I'm not sure whether I'm joking or not... part of me wants the ending of CW to be cool and to make me want to want these books... but the rational and detached part of my mind is telling me to stop buying Civil War tie-ins after #7!