Nintendo Revolution Announced

[Evil Avatar]

Nintendo has officially announced (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050517/latu045.html) their non-revolutionary console, the Nintendo Revolution.

Each generation of video game consoles builds on the past to set new standards for the future. As the company with the strongest heritage of innovation, Nintendo redefines expectations for all next-gen systems by employing a wide-ranging strategy to attract more kinds of gamers to more kinds of games. When Nintendo's new console, code-named Revolution, arrives in 2006, everyone will discover the meaning of All-Access Gaming.

"We will show the world what a next-gen system can be. Revolution marries the strongest heritage of innovation to the future of gaming," says Nintendo President Satoru Iwata. "With backward compatibility and the 'virtual console' concept, the stylish, compact body provides maximum gaming power. It will not only take home entertainment into another dimension by expanding the definition of video games, but it also will give you access to the great history of gaming."Is this some kind of a late April Fools day joke? What is revolutionary about letting people download a bunch of old games?

[sTubbs]

I concur. This controller of theirs better be fucking amazing, or they will not be getting one penny out of me in the next generation.

[LilAbner]

Well, it's not revolutionary, but it is good news. Let's face it, Nintendo's strength is their heritage.

[Phhhh]

If you would have watched the Nintendo press conference you would know the truly revolutionary things have not been announced ye, they alluded to several things but didn't give any concrete details.

The most disappointing thing of the conference was the Gameboy Micro... i mean wtf is that, 4 portables that play gba games in the same amount of years. The SP is small enough.

[Draft]

Man, I just hope it's a solid console with good exclusives (almost guaranteed) and strong third party support (time will tell.) 3 major players in the console biz = good for me.

[Blade]

Every portable needs a flip-screen now. PSP is too easy to scratch, now Micro will be.

Also.. cramps anyone? If it's really tiny, think of the possibilities.

About the Revolution: Underwhelming intro. Why? Lack of information, of course.

I'll say this: if it ends up being either the weakest or middle console tech-wise.. Nintendo is likely f***ed. They need some distinct advantage against the well-planned Xbox 360 and PS3 launches.. and developers won't flock to a semi-niche console that has less power.

[Tricky Thumb]

They even SAID in that press conference that they wouldn't reveal the "revolutionary" aspect of the console just yet. The backlog of old titles is just a nice little extra, chill out already people.

Besides, the real thing to be pissed about is that they DIDN'T reveal what the Revolution is yet. Man, talk about being overly mysterious.

[Switcher]

Evil, you need to shut the hell up sometimes. Maybe if you had the fucking respect to even watch their goddamn Conference, they said they weren't showing what truly makes the console work.

But oh, far be it from you to even find that out or not. Just skim IGN, and call it a day, huh?

Learn to do some goddamn research, and do some goddamn accurate reporting for once in your in-bred life. Jesus.

[Jiguryo]

Er, who said the 20-year retrocompatibility was the revolutionary aspect of the new console?

Some people, pfff. I slowly tire of the senseless Nintendo bashing...

[Switcher]

Letting Evil post anything Nintendo related is like letting Michael Jackson alone with a 8 year old boy: Someone's gonna get raped, and robbed of all their dignity.

[fushi]

Sheesh, Switcher. He was only mocking the silly name. Relax.

As for the downloads... not revolutionary, but think about it. Game manufacturers can generate alternative revenue streams by making their games available for download at a small price. Nintendo re-released their NES games and those sold quite well, even though they were pricey so why wouldn't other developers want to generate small revenues from downloaded games without paying anything for having them produced.

Of course, in the age of emulation, that doesn't sound very plausible...

[Pumped'Up]

d/l old games? What a joke. How sucessfull were those classics on the GBA? Was anyone dumb enough to fork over the big $$$ for those simple games that fit into 1kb? Sheesh.

[Reo Strong]

I aproach this with great trepidation... two failed consoles... one right after another... if the revolution is more like a reproduction, well, sad times ahead for nintendo fans, great times for the bashers among us though...

anyway, the real revolution had damn well be a great revelation and not some chintzy crap-tastic new 'feature.' I agree somewhat with Jiguryo and Switcher (nice ballzy post, kinda cocky though), but yeah, the last line of the first post in pretty hater-ish. Just wait it out...

I guarentee it will be great or shite, but waiting is the hardest part...

[Switcher]

I wasn't trying to be ballsy or cocky or anything, I mean, if I know a good bit of info about something, I'll news post about it. I don't make posts poking fun at Microsoft's laughable attempt at backwards compatibility, or how the PS2 is technologically superior. Hell, I don't know those things for sure, I haven't seen all the games, and I have not placed my hands on any controllers.

But Evil seems to be the king-shit of all that is Nintendo and knows every single thing about their next system, and felt it was about time to reveal to the world that the ability to play the games of 4 different consoles over the span of 20 years *must* be all what the revolution is about. If he had just watched their damn conference, and made an informed post about....ANYTHING Nintendo related, I wouldn't have a problem.

[jBusy]

d/l old games? What a joke. How sucessfull were those classics on the GBA? Was anyone dumb enough to fork over the big $$$ for those simple games that fit into 1kb? Sheesh.

Considering games like Castlevania and Zelda 2 were added after the first classic NES games were released, I'd say quite a lot. Nintendo doesn't have 6 billion in the bank because of luck.

[Ondo]

d/l old games? What a joke. How sucessfull were those classics on the GBA? Was anyone dumb enough to fork over the big $$$ for those simple games that fit into 1kb? Sheesh.

They were very successful. I can't find much in the way of hard stats, but the first 8 combined sold over 900,000 copies in 4 weeks in Japan.

[fushi]

Was anyone dumb enough to fork over the big $$$ for those simple games that fit into 1kb?
Yeah, quite a few (http://www1.gamespot.com/gba/puzzle/famicomminidrmario/news_6104638.html).

[Pumped'Up]

Considering games like Castlevania and Zelda 2 were added after the first classic NES games were released, I'd say quite a lot. Nintendo doesn't have 6 billion in the bank because of luck.
Nintendo can thank Capcom for massive sales of RE4 to boost GC system sales. I highly doubt those NES classics sold anything near the worth of 1 Electronic Arts stock.

[Thunderbrand]

Yeah, I'm not worried at all. Watching that new TTP Zelda trailer cleared my head.

[Racknahm]

With the Dreamcast you could download classic Sega videogames. Of course they would be erased after you turned off the console.

[Evil Avatar]

Letting Evil post anything Nintendo related is like letting Michael Jackson alone with a 8 year old boy: Someone's gonna get raped, and robbed of all their dignity.

Everyone take a moment to thank Switcher for his rabid Nintendo fanboism, without people like him Nintendo wouldn't be able to sell the same N64 version of Mario on three different machines.

[Evil Avatar]

I don't make posts poking fun at Microsoft's laughable attempt at backwards compatibility, or how the PS2 is technologically superior.

The PS2 is technologically superior to the Xbox? Wow, you really need take those fanboy blinders off.

[deathfan]

fuck. ass. shit.

That's all I have to say.

[IndependentGMR]

I bet you guys are salivating over Microsoft's micro-transaction bullshit. Nintendo can't do anything without these people bashing their ideas into the ground. If you don't like what they do, go curl up next to a picture of the ps3. And imagine how awesome that boomerang controller is going to feel in your hands.

[Rakael]

I think he meant PS3, but in his rage induced fit typed it wrong. I often do the same thing myself.

God I love this site.

[Zurik]

The PS2 is technologically superior to the Xbox? Wow, you really need take those fanboy blinders off.

I don't mean to defend a guy who's being a dick, but that quote of his was about how he doesn't make claims like that without information. Hell, let's have a flame war anyway, its just the internet, its not like any of these opinions matter in the least.

[IndependentGMR]

I think he meant PS3, but in his rage induced fit typed it wrong. I often do the same thing myself.

God I love this site.

Wow, I can't believe I missed that.

[Lasakon]

THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
And The Revolution will most likely be fully revealed at Spaceworld.

[Taran Wanderer]

Nintendo's own press release called the downloadable classics their "secret weapon". I know - this secret weapon is not the big revolution, but it sounds like whoever ok'd the press release thinks it's significant by the given label. I would disagree with this supposed significance, but that's just me. Granted, I thought MS's "HD-Era" hype was fairly worthless as well. To be fair, the "emotion engine" and "reality synthesizer" are equally stupid in my book.

As for the revolution, I hope it truly is one. I love fun, new, creative gameplay. From what I've read (please correct me if I'm wrong), one of the reasons the revolution has not been announced is because it's easy to copy. So if Nintendo waits until release, Sony and MS will be behind the power curve in trying to copy the idea. Will those few months give Nintendo's console enough of an advantage if (speculation) it has a disadvantage in terms of raw power? I don't know. If the idea is so easy to copy, will there be a significant reason to get the console if MS and Sony quickly steal the idea? Well, Nintendo will have already lined up the software support. Early adopters won't want to wait if the idea is truly revolutionary. On the other hand, people are waiting for RE4 for the PS2 (very odd to me - just get a Cube and play this fine game!).

I was an early adopter of the N64 and the Gamecube. But I am definitely underwhelmed by Nintendo's E3 showing thus far.

[Hijinx]

It looks like a system selector.....

[fushi]

Nintendo fans remind me of the T1000 in Terminator 2. Nintendo can shatter their expectations time and time again but the pieces will melt into little pools of rumor and speculation that start collecting into a solid hopeful entity again.
:)

I am guilty of being a part of this entity.

[bobbler]

I, for one, would be completely happy if all the revolution was was a system that let me play gamecube/revolution/nes/snes/n64 games. Some of my favorite games ever have been old nintendo games, and I hate dealing with emulators and shady websites to find roms.

Lookin like I'll end up picking one up depending on pricing of the nes/snes/n64 games (if they are free, or its a monthly fee or what).

[Switcher]

Glad someone caught up that mix-up with the PS2 and PS3 :p And yes, a low-level of rage I was in.

I'm not wearing some kinda space-age fanboy 3D blinders, whatever. What I'm wearing is a face...a face that is a silent plea from all gamers saying PLEASE stop posting anything about Nintendo, as you cannot do it with those Microsoft fanboy shader...um blinding blinder things you were talking about earlier.

Orrrr....

Wait until Nintendo actually SHOWS what the system does...you know, explains what it's about? If it's stupid, gimmicky, or even truly revolutionary...post your opinion about it THEN. Actually get the full info when Nintendo decides to show it....and make an INFORMED decision! It's easy!

I'm pulling for you Evil, I HOPE you can do this!

But I realize....if you don't make these immature, ignorant news posts, fanboys won't come storming in here...won't give you as much traffic on the site, and won't have as many people buying those cute "Evil Avatar" t-shirts you like to sell to pay off that subscribtion to BangBus.com

So, continue forth Evil! Live the american dream.

[pacmanfever]

Is this some kind of a late April Fools day joke? What is revolutionary about letting people download a bunch of old games?

nobody said that was the revolutionary part. get a fucking clue.

[sickfallout]

nintendo fans are like red sox fans, and ps2 fans are like yankees fans. nintendo usually loses, but every 86 years or so, an RE4 or a new zelda comes out and BOOYA!

[PotatoNinja]

I'm not exactly amazed by the new Revolution news (its neat, but I hope that isn't Nintendo's big trick, and I doubt it is). However, Nintendo could release a console that played every videogame known to man (in 3D) while doing your laundry, for the price of $50, and Evil Avatar would find a way to bitch about it ;) .

[pur3r4ge]

Does anyone here like games, rather then companies?! Buy 'em all! I'll admit I'm disappointed with Nintendo's showing, but maybe they have something awesome planned. Who knows. The cat is not out of the bag.

Incidentally, I can't think of a dumber argument (which is what a lot of this thread boils down to):

a: "x sucks"
b: "nuh uh!"
a: "stfu, fanboy"

[IndependentGMR]

They didn't show the controller. Maybe there is a good reason for that.

[bapenguin]

Hmm...my sources tell me the revolutionary feature is actually a flux capacitor!

You don't actually DOWNLOAD the games from the NES era, the machine sends you back in time to play them, just like you did when you were 11 years old!!!

[bobbler]

Hmm...my sources tell me the revolutionary feature is actually a flux capacitor!

You don't actually DOWNLOAD the games from the NES era, the machine sends you back in time to play them, just like you did when you were 11 years old!!!

Haha, good one.

That reminds me, I haven't seen those movies in a long time =/

[Jiguryo]

:)

I am guilty of being a part of this entity.

Well, that comparison with T1000 fits eerily well with Nintendo haters who hop at any incomplete info to go with all the "omg!!1! teh nitedo is d00med!! repent!!1~~" drivel.

In fact, with nearly every person with a slight tendency to hate anything at all. Movies, games, books, music etc... you'll nearly always find people who say stuff like that.

I know Evil's questioning of the revolutionary aspect of Nintendo's next console was bad, but believe me -- I know people that would do far worse than him, even with more solid info about the console.

[civilstrife]

ummm, how about we wait untill they actually show us what the system does?
Anyone with a brain could tell you that the game downloading thing is not the "Revolutionary" feature that Nintendo's been going on about.

[cjrizzo]

Well, I have officially lost all respect for Nintendo. You would think after getting their ass wiped in two successive generations they would have gotten a clue. Now, I am not a fanboy for any system (I own all three of the current generation), but the dearth of quality games and support for the N64 and GC have been laughable.

I am huge fan of Nintendo's classic games, but that's not going to make me pay for a new system, especially when many of the great games have been reincarnated on the DS/GBA/GB. This is probably Nintendo's last console. Truth be told, I would have rather had Nintendo play to its strengths for a couple of years (handhelds) and then released a new system off-cycle from the 360 and PS3. I think that would have given them time to R&D and build a system far superior than this Revolution junk.

[Redline]

There's been nothing but press-releases and unreliable information about lately, and that goes -doubly- for all press conferences. Especially the PS3 and Xbox ones. Seriously, and whole new generation of suckers must be born every year.

[Kelegacy]

Nintendo does seem to be rooted in the past...and while not a completely BAD thing, it became sour for me when I saw rereleases of everything on the GBA. The original marios (for example) being released all the time doesnt appeal to me. I had Mario Allstars, but then they released the games for GB, GBC, GBA, etc. Enough.

I want Nintendo's past to HELP them, not throw them into a rut. I was/am hoping for something truly revolutionary, because if it isnt, by calling their own system the "Revolution", they've shot themselves in the foot. For Christ's sake, don't let Microsoft bury you in the #3 slot again! Go phoenix, be reborn!

Give me new, new, new. Franchises, concepts, experiences. While the staple, Zelda, Metroid, Mario will of course swing by once again, give the older gamers a real chance to join in the fray, give newcomers something new to sink their teeth into, and give haters something that truly WOWS them, and they've got a fighting chance. It doesnt hurt that the system looks the best out of the big 3, IMO. However, I do feel it's devoid of anything "Nintendoish", which could hurt them. The other Nintendo consoles really stood out--this one looks to be as inconspicuous as possible. I dont know how that will work out for the quirky company...

[TrackZero]

Man, I just hope it's a solid console with good exclusives (almost guaranteed) and strong third party support (time will tell.) 3 major players in the console biz = good for me.

You said it. If this E3 has shown anything so far, it's win-win for gamers.

[TrackZero]

Nintendo does seem to be rooted in the past...and while not a completely BAD thing, it became sour for me when I saw rereleases of everything on the GBA. The original marios (for example) being released all the time doesnt appeal to me. I had Mario Allstars, but then they released the games for GB, GBC, GBA, etc. Enough.

I want Nintendo's past to HELP them, not throw them into a rut. I was/am hoping for something truly revolutionary, because if it isnt, by calling their own system the "Revolution", they've shot themselves in the foot. For Christ's sake, don't let Microsoft bury you in the #3 slot again! Go phoenix, be reborn!

Give me new, new, new. Franchises, concepts, experiences. While the staple, Zelda, Metroid, Mario will of course swing by once again, give the older gamers a real chance to join in the fray, give newcomers something new to sink their teeth into, and give haters something that truly WOWS them, and they've got a fighting chance. It doesnt hurt that the system looks the best out of the big 3, IMO. However, I do feel it's devoid of anything "Nintendoish", which could hurt them. The other Nintendo consoles really stood out--this one looks to be as inconspicuous as possible. I dont know how that will work out for the quirky company...

It's funny because I just finished watching their press conference, maybe you missed the part where they announced a brand new franchise with the launch of Revolution, designed by Miyamoto, that's supposed to tie in with their new interface design? Looks like you get your wish (now if the game is any GOOD is another question that remains to be seen).

[Kagger]

When is rev coming out? Early 06 or Christmas 06

[Racknahm]

It's funny because I just finished watching their press conference, maybe you missed the part where they announced a brand new franchise with the launch of Revolution, designed by Miyamoto, that's supposed to tie in with their new interface design? Looks like you get your wish (now if the game is any GOOD is another question that remains to be seen).

You dare question Miyamoto's ability to make a good game!? BLASPHEMER!

[InstaPete]

I think it's pretty obvious that Nintendo didn't actually announce the "revolution", but it almost boggles the mind that they introduced ANYTHING regarding their new system at all if they weren't going to go all out. I feel like they shouldn't have put ANY emphasis on their consoles after the fairly stunning showings by MS and Sony if they weren't going to explain the "revolution"ary aspect. I love Nintendo, but man, they def ended up looking pretty lame here.

The GBA Micro is pretty damn cool, though.

[OSX]

I dont think Nintendo has shot themselves in the foot yet. But they sure as hell grazed it. People put all their hopes for what they want in gaming in E3, and to NOT announce something you have been touting for a half year as "a revolution in gaming" I beleive is a huge mistake. Unless this is something easily copied AND good enough to be stolen, I think they should have just let it fly, because the PS3 and Xbox360 propaganda machines are not going to wait for them to decide its the right time.

The hype train is chugging away and Nintendo hasnt gotten on yet. Already my school is abuzz with "Spider-Man font?" this and "faceplate" that. Nothing about a box the size of 3 DVD cases that can download old Nintendo games. Will I buy it? Sure I will. I like to consider myself not a fanboy, but Halo in one place and MGS in another is not enough to make me buy a system. But I like many have been severely dissapointed. We waited months for a Revolution. Stop stalling and storm the Bastille already.

And so help me God if you dont put Earthbound up for download...

[mister_slim]

Nintendo can thank Capcom for massive sales of RE4 to boost GC system sales. I highly doubt those NES classics sold anything near the worth of 1 Electronic Arts stock.
Man, you must have hated math class. 2.7 million copies sold X $20 - cost of an emulator = $54? That's not getting an A.
Does anyone here like games, rather then companies?!
My theory is that people expect new Nintendo games to consistently match the experience of being 12 and unwrapping SMB3 on Christmas Day and sitting in front of the TV all day. It's like Star Wars prequels or X-Men comics.
It's funny because I just finished watching their press conference, maybe you missed the part where they announced a brand new franchise with the launch of Revolution, designed by Miyamoto, that's supposed to tie in with their new interface design? Looks like you get your wish (now if the game is any GOOD is another question that remains to be seen).
I missed that part. Sweet. At this point, there is no one who understands game design as well as Miyamoto. The fact that people confuse cuddly subject matter with poor gameplay is just further demonstration of how foolish people are.

[Savok]

And EvAv continues its downward slide when it comes to anything Nintendo.

[Savok]

Oh and, and the feature to DL old games is awesome. Think beyond that and things get into Xbox Live realms, what's to stop them from providing downloadable demos for Rev games?

[Rommel]

Where to start...? *Ahem*

What the fuck is wrong with them?! Alright, that seemed like a fitting place to start. Many of you are saying that Big N did not show the revolutionary portion of their coming revolution. Well I ask you, when the fuck are they going to show it? This is it. This is E-@#$%'ing-3. This is the biggest show of the year. Here is where all the hype begins. The true fans are scouring the internet for every last kernel of information; their friends are hearing it in school. Every magazine and website is either posting new materials or running their presses now. Even the younger kids are going to be picking up the huge E3 edition of EGM or whatever the kids read these days. Those young whippersnappers!

What about the Tokyo Game Show? Can fit in the closet, and is too late to catch up to the hype machine. What about Spaceworld? Newsflash, it doesn't exist anymore and they haven't announced a come back. Showing this was even worse, because that first impression and possibility for a wow factor is gone. The hype machine for the next six months is cemented, and Nintendo is not in it.

Microsoft and Sony have me rather convinced there machines can wash my car, cook me dinner, eject my best friend out the airlock and if necessary - run games which it will play for me if I so desire. Big N has convinced me that their head is so far up their ass that they can lick their prostate until they orgasm. At least, I am told that works. My experiments thus far have proven unsuccessful. I'm now worried if they will even be able to run multiplatform sports titles if they are made for the PS3 or 360.

This is a fucking revolution? It is only if the Japanese executives at Nintendo took the other English definition of ‘Revolution,’ because they are going around in circles. Now is not the time to listen to their own fan boys extol that they have a ton of money in their war chest. The 360 seems to have every feature one could want in an entertainment center, and I believe that Iran will be ordering cell processors for their coming nuclear bombs. The U.S. might as well they are so nice. Nintendo countered to their competition with the announcement they will have the same wireless everyone else is using this generation, and will have their own games (A lot of classics missing, they don't have working relationships with all of them anymore) available for *purchase*. What a secret weapon! They have discovered a way to sell me things that I already own and don't want to use. What a way to make a system with a fifth the graphical power of the other machines debuting seem more attractive to fans, a new marketing system.

And don't forget, new graphics are all a new system can offer over an old - so not updating them makes me question things. For instance, does Nintendo even want to put out a new machine? Would they rather continue [not] supporting the GCN instead? Maybe they are just making Super Ebola Monkey Hunt 3.0 because every other game company going the 3.0 route as well? They seem to begrudge their customers state of the art technology, so maybe they don't even want to implement new tech at all. If so, they are certainly not leaders in the industry anymore, just sheep willing to follow the herd against their own desires.

Or maybe they just can't keep up. If so, where is the toy? Where is the dance pad or the bongos or the computer chip that I implant into my urethra to vibrate me to orgasm when I defeat bowser? This had become their niche, in many ways their entire reason for being. I see no toy. They seemed to have abandoned the one corner of the market they truly had a strangle hold on - like my cock without a urethra chip.

Speaking of toys and market strangleholds, remember the GB DS? Excuse me, allow me to rephrase. Speaking of my cock, remember the GB DS? There are still no games. Meanwhile, the true heavyweight of the industry has released an amazing product in their field and it has a bigger and better library after giving a six month head start. That war chest will evaporate if Nintendo loses the handheld market and they can't sell crappy machines to push their overrated titles on.

Did someone say Blasphemy? How about Miyamoto's last several games have been terrible at worst, bland at best – is that blasphemy? Pikmin was the best of the bunch, and that is not topping anyone's classics list. Zelda looks amazing, I admit freely, but all rules have exceptions except one, and that particular rule sucks. If they are planning on designing their controller around his game again (Like how the C1-4 buttons exist solely because they work for Mari 64 and nothing else, and how the GCN controller works for... ummm) they better hope this time he allows it to work for other games as well, because one giant button that deflates and three shoulder buttons of two different types makes baby Jesus cry until he dehydrates and DIES.

Nintendo has finally done it. They have gotten so full of their own hype that they now believe that they can do no wrong. They do not have to grow and adapt at all for their competition or the world, instead can continue to think long term because in their minds the long term is already guarantied. Well my friends, they are wrong. The time to show the "Revolution" (If there is one Mr. Megaton) is now, and that time is slipping through their finger tips like the days Letterman has left before he is wearing diapers.

But perhaps they are right? Maybe they do not have to keep up with that so called competition. So what if the Revolution fails, they still have the GBA lines. And if the PSP overtakes the top spot in that market as well, so what? The PSP costs more to make right? So Nintendo can always be profitable in second place. Sure they'll lose a hardware platform to release their games on. And sure their profit margins will dwindle from loss of GB sales, causing their investors to jump off the ship, but Nintendo will always be alright.

I believe Atari believed they could do whatever they want, deal with the state of the industry any way they wanted. Ask them what happened after their lengthy reign on top. Better yet, ask the company that bought them. Ask what they have to say and you might worry, as much as I do, that Nintendo is in fact…

teh doomed

[mister_slim]

Nice rant. I disagree, but nice.

[Savok]

The C1-4 buttons are what made Goldeneye work to the degree it did.

[Hellstorm]

Nice rant Rommel, I am sure most of the gaming world disagrees.

Blasphmey? The fact that Itagaki can sell more games off weak gameplay and tits than Tim "3D killed the adventure genre" Schaffer can with his run of the mill but still good Pyschonauts is blasphmey.

But then again, Double-Fine is not long for this earth. And Tim might find that snappy dailog doens't sell games.

[Rommel]

The C1-4 buttons are what made Goldeneye work to the degree it did.

Now just imagine if those were, instead, just more buttons. If the B and A buttons were two big for the rolling method - that's a problem. If the C1-4 buttons (Which was also harder to remember for my feeble mind) were two small for others, that is a problem. The Saturn controller had six perfect buttons, all the same size! Maybe the next controller will also have a trifecta penis design as well? Or will our hands rest comfortably with fingers touching and grinding together again?

And think of their idea of the C1-4's evolution. Another analog stick, except too small and without a face to rest your thumb. And of course, that controller has other issues. The triggers went striaght in, not curving, and had to be depressed far too much. The Z button (Because odd numbers are far more intuitive than symetry) was too stiff and didn't depress. The face buttons did, for a week. Then they refused to ever pop again. They kept the star cutout under the analogs, negating any smooth rolling feeling of an actual stick. Finally, their is the face. A giant button in the center, because no one remembered that even the classics postdating pong required the use of TWO and not one. Or the infintessimal B button, which requires a microscope to find once it has invariably sunk in. And my favorite were the jelly beans.

I am NOT going to knock the next Nintendo controller though. We don't know about it and I am going to offer it the same benefit I did the Revolution Tuesday morning, before the announcement rocked my world with it's utter stupiditty. I pray to god it is something special. Believe it or not, I do not want Nintendo to run itself into the ground. Become third party maybe, but never disappear.

Heck, I am hoping for a toy. Nintendo saved video games making toys, and I think they could carve themselves a nice little, and entirely profitable and substainable, niche market being the toy/game market. Maybe making those wireless fields into some kind of full body controller, a la the eye toy. Just something, because what they have now will not hold water against the entertainment center 360 (Which if I am right, that excellent gamespot article misread to believe is one three core processors, not the more correct three different processors) or the "Soon to be the way processors are modeled" Cell chip.

Edit: As for the rest of the gaming world disagreeing, well - we shall have to wait and see. If the Revolution flops (And if this is all that there is, and with the way they hurt themselves with their first impression - it will) I would say the gaming world will have agreed with me perfectly. With their wallets, no less.

And Tim might find that snappy dailog doens't sell games.

Tim has a scewed and negative view of the gaming world. He should write books, where he would be happiest. When pyschonauts finally released, and the reviews were overwhelmingly positive, I immediattely thought: "A shame this title has Beyond Good and Evil written all over it." Of he is smart, he can get a new game out quickly that might capitilize on the 'Best game no one played' hype that is pushing the follow up to ICO.

[if76]

There's no harddrive so how exactly will we be downloading all this stuff? I realize that you could probably fit every NES game into a flash card and probably have room for all the decent SNES games too but the N64 games are around 20MB each. And what about GameCube games?
I'm not sure if Nintendo has really thought the whole online thing through. Sure it's nice to have old games but X360 and PS3 will actually let you download demos of NEW games. The thing MS was saying about game pilots sounds really cool. Nintendo claims to be supporting the indy developer, but without a harddrive it seems like those indy developers will have to get backing by international publishers and distributers if they want people to actually play their games.

[Balthasar]

ummm, how about we wait untill they actually show us what the system does?
Anyone with a brain could tell you that the game downloading thing is not the "Revolutionary" feature that Nintendo's been going on about.

Now, not to defend Evil too much--it's clear that the X-Box fanboys here pick on/troll Nintendo fanboys with great efficiency--but weren't gamers saying a lot of the same things when that DS was coming out? Wasn't there a lot of doubt, at first, as to whether Nintendo would actually release a handheld with two screens? And once realizing it was true, defending the idea that two screens would be, like the so-called Revolution, industry-changing?

How's that DS looking now? I know it's sales weren't bad, but really, are you guys still enjoying this thing? Is Mario 64 (with that still-shitty camera) that fun?

It's probably jumping the gun on the Revolution to attack it just now, but Nintendo gets way too much of a pass on these holding patterns they get into with their consoles. Afraid of someone stealing your ideas? I hear patents are getting hip again...

[Savok]

I like my DS, problem is there aren't any DS games to like. There isn't anything wrong with the DS itself, it just needs time for games to appear on it.

[Phades]

Now, not to defend Evil too much--it's clear that the X-Box fanboys here pick on/troll Nintendo fanboys with great efficiency--but weren't gamers saying a lot of the same things when that DS was coming out? Wasn't there a lot of doubt, at first, as to whether Nintendo would actually release a handheld with two screens? And once realizing it was true, defending the idea that two screens would be, like the so-called Revolution, industry-changing?

How's that DS looking now? I know it's sales weren't bad, but really, are you guys still enjoying this thing? Is Mario 64 (with that still-shitty camera) that fun?

It's probably jumping the gun on the Revolution to attack it just now, but Nintendo gets way too much of a pass on these holding patterns they get into with their consoles. Afraid of someone stealing your ideas? I hear patents are getting hip again...

Hey! Don't knock the DS! After all, Nintendo's big DS game for their conference was Nintendogs and that looks like the greatest game ever!!! I mean, it barks! How great is that!? And you can throw balls with the stylus and, get this, the dog runs for them! You doubt the Revolution will be mind blowing?? Nintendo has already proven how well their revolutionary ideas work in the hand-held world!

The thing I find odd is that Nintendo had zip to show other than a box, which Iwata even said wasn't the final design, "it'll be even smaller." Why bother showing anything at all then? They also didn't even give an indication of when it would come out other than 2006.

"We are developing a new home video game console with a plan to release the new system around the same time as rival makers do," - Iwata 2003

"We will get ready for a (new) battle in 2005" - Iwata 2003

Guess he didn't really mean those quotes, especially the second. Maybe they also didn't mean that their system would be revolutionary. After all, the first two announced games were Metroid and Smash Brothers. Goodie!! I guess next they'll announce Mario Kart R and Super Mario Sunshine Revolution.

[if76]

Ok here's another issue I have with the Revolution: Wi-fi. I realize that wires are "out" this generation but I've never been able to play on a wireless intenet connection as well as I have with an ethernet cord plugged in.
I haven't seen anything about the Revolution having a standard ethernet input and one's not included I think I'll take my business elsewhere.

[RandomViolence]

Hey, all. I just want to say that those who reduce their reasoning to personal attacks because they can't handle an opinion they whole-heartedly disagree with (glares at Switcher) need to grow the fuck up and accept it. Y'know what, downloading old games isn't the big step forward we were all hoping Nintendo would announce. Perhaps it's not the revolution, but Nintendo's showing this year isn't keeping me or many others at the interest level Sony and Microsoft are. Accept the fact that someone's disappointed with the big N's showing. Christ, you'll have an aneurysm if you keep reading EvAv the way you do.

[Hellstorm]

Rom, the xbox 360 has 1 CPU with three cores.

If the industry agreed with you, Nintendo would have been dead long ago, yet they are still here and PC games would be ruling the roost not scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

[Borys]

About Nintendo...here's a repost of mine:

Let's see what I expected vs what I got:

a) Mario 128 - nope. However Mario Party Fucking Seven is here!
b) 1st party Revolution game - not a single one, but hey NINTENDOGS!
c) 3rd Party Revolution games - see above plus some DJ playing ELECTROPLANKTON!
d) The "revolutionary" gyro-controller! You silly, here, take this 4th GBA iteration!
e) General change in Nintendo's thinking and strategy. No change at all. It's like they are asking Sony and MS to crush them.

Patethic.

[Vandenh]

Hey I like that small GBA.

If Revolution plays all old Nintendo games (for free?) and is cheapo.. who knows... it might do well. At the very minimum it might make a good 2th console. But yes.. that needed to talk about 3rd party support more.

[bone_matrix]

Am I the only one that realizes that Nintendo has E3 2006 to tell us everything we want to know about the Revolution? Even the PS3 won't be out by then (barring a miracle). Microsoft had to go all out, the 360 is coming out this November. Sony put out specs to stop Microsoft's hype, but besides that, what else is known? I can throw the PS3 controller into the kitchen, and it will return to me with my soda. Yay. What many of you guys want is to know everything about it before the final design is even set. Take a chill pill, relax, enjoy the 360, and get excited about Nintendo in a year.

[Furious Wang]

Wonderful, This forum has officially been Gamefaq'd.

Look, If you're gonna throw around hyperbolic terms like "Revolutionary" you better damn sure be positive you show us something revolutionary. They didn't show anything revolutionary. Downloading games is nice and fun for some but nothing to blow a wad over.

Listen, We did see the system. It is a small box that hooks up to your television and plays games. It doesn't go on your head or plug into your brain or display lifelike 3-d holograms or anything like that. We don't need to "wait to see what the system does" we already know what it does.

Learn, The one thing they specifically did not show was the controller so we can safely assume that the controller is their big secret. But how big could that possibly be? There's been, what, like 5 games that have used gyroscopic gameplay? How much earthshattering innovation have you seen with the stylus touch screen? Nintendo's track record for controller innovation is lacking in the extreme. And last I checked, you predict someone's future performance based on their history. Hell, even Nintendo's REGULAR controller for the Gamecube is considered inferior to Microsoft and Sony's.

What can you honestly expect Nintendo to offer at this point that will just blow your mind to an extent that will justify the hype?

All that being said, if this thing will offer home & portable gaming with a fliptop lcd I'll be all over it. Hey, how about being able to play any Nintendo game ever made anywhere you want on a device the size of a dvd case? Now that would be revolutionary.

[Savok]

There's a link at GameFAQs? Hah, I wonder if any of the old crew are still there.