Firefly Returns! (As an MMORPG)

[tombofsoldier]

Wired has the full story (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72263-0.html?tw=wn_index_1)
Like Capt. Mal Reynolds stumbling in after a bar fight, the short-lived but much beloved sci-fi series Firefly will soon make an unexpected return, not as a TV show, but as a massively multiplayer online game.
I'm hoping someone squealed with delight before reading the whole news item, if it was you: Made you look! :p

Editor's note: Thanks to Tohoya for a similar submission.

[Troggles]

I still squealed even after reading it all.

[karak]

Wired has the full story (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72263-0.html?tw=wn_index_1)

I'm hoping someone squealed with delight before reading the whole news item, if it was you: Made you look! :p

Editor's note: Thanks to Tohoya for a similar submission.

I dont want to get my hopes up as MMO's are canceled left and right...but please let this be good and true

[Lekon]

I squealed. I SO want an MMO that's NOT another Seek and slay the evil wizard/elf.

Firefly's universe has great potential for an MMO, especially if its a mix of space and ground, with a lot of customization options for your ship.

Damn. Now I'm hyped.

[EL CABONG]

If true this would be cool. I would like to play as a Brown Coat.

[GrinR]

I wonder how many rats I have to kill to get off-planet? All the rats in the "verse"?

What a laugh - all the Firefly nerds are going to crap themselves over this, but all the snappy lingo in the world isn't going to make this Star Wars Online clone fun to play.

But, but they can't "stop the signal" can they?

lol

[Zeal]

Can they just not let this horrible series die.

Thank God Joss Whedon is reviving Buffy in the form of a comic series. Season 8 Buffy on the way, bitch.

Owned.

[Bone]

GrinR's right, I mean if he doesn't like it, it's gotta suck.

No, even after his unassailable logic, I'm still excited about this.

[Sandman]

Prepare to wait about 3 years + for this. How long have we been waiting on Star Trek online?

[mkelehan]

At first, I thought it'd be 80% of people playing as Browncoats. Then, I realized that while 20% will be Alliance, the other 80% will really be all on their own. And I like that. I look forward to building my own starship full of people I know and going on missions of my choosing.

[Codicier]

Hmm, I love Firefly and hate MMOs...

I refuse to pay monthly fees to play a game. If they go with a model similar to Guild Wars I might try it out. Otherwise there is no way they are getting my money for this. Firefly was an awesome TV show and should have stayed that way. Unfortunately it's all or nothing for me.

Sorry Joss, not this time.

[rein]

The online version will move away from those central characters -- after all, there's only one Mal Reynolds. In an MMORPG, "everybody has to have their own story,"
Lame. I would rather have a single player RPG with a rich story that focuses on the central characters of Firefly than a water downed MMORPG.

[NoName]

The title of this news post is too evil...

[resikel]

Prostitution is where the money is at. And we all know that in every single MMORPG released to date that money is the key to domination.

So yeah, I want to play the prostitution class, please.

[NoName]

Prepare to wait about 3 years + for this. How long have we been waiting on Star Trek online?

FTA - plus some text to go out 10 characters.
"We want to find someone who wants to do something unique and fun and interesting, not just a re-skin of World of Warcraft or Star Wars Galaxies," Bridges says.

Because the underlying technology is already in place, "I feel confident that we'll see something the public can play sometime in 2008," he adds.

[Royal Fool]

Stargate MMO all over again, eh?

After reading the whole story, it's clear that Multiverse doesn't do games themselves, they've just provided a (EXTREMELY BASIC) backend for potential MMO development. Looking at their "upcoming games" lists, all the current projects look terribly basic and mediocre. Heck, Multiverse claims they are gonna hire a development team to actually work on the game proper. This is a very odd way to handle things.

And Joss Whedon isn't involved in this at all, it's just some dumb Fox execs making yet another hilariously stupid move. Not to mention that Multiverse probably doesn't have any clear vision for what it wants to do, it says that's all up to the development team "to make something interesting and fun", "we don't want a re-skin of World of Warcraft or Star Wars Galaxies". Dear lord.

This is going to crash and burn, hard.

[RMan]

Man, I just started watching the show again yesterday. Anyway, I don't have high hopes for this one, I love Firefly, but the universe it takes place in is, at best, kinda cool. What made Firefly great was the characters and dialog, and that generally doesn't have much place in an MMO. Just can’t see how it can live up to it’s name for fans, which is mainly why you’d license the property (of course, they likely didn’t have to pay much for the license).

I just want the freaking TV show back, that's where Firefly belongs.

[ElPresidente]

If the mechanics are well put together the world of Firefly is perfect MMO fodder and something a little different to what we are used to.

Lets just hope it is more interesting than Star Wars galaxies.

At least there won't be the troubles of everyone wanting to be a Jedi or somesuch.

[Heretic Machine]

I just don't get how you could possibly make enough planets and space to have an interesting universe for the game to be set in. I see the same problem with Star Trek, and any other MMO that attempts to put you in the role of someone running a starship.

[Major Scud]

nope, just everyone will want to captain a firefly class shuttle. they'll be EVERYWHERE.

<serrrrrenity578><captmaaalreynoolds9994> Anyone want to grind on reavers?

[GrinR]

GrinR's right, I mean if he doesn't like it, it's gotta suck.
No, even after his unassailable logic, I'm still excited about this.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7955/ohnoyoudiintxa5.gif
OH NO YOU DI'INT!

It's on, now.

From the article:

Bringing those environments and character types to life as an online game will be a challenge: Multiverse is not a game developer, but rather a platform provider whose product is still in beta. Instead of making the game itself, the company will hire a development team that will craft the virtual galaxy using Multiverse tools.

"We want to find someone who wants to do something unique and fun and interesting, not just a re-skin of World of Warcraft or Star Wars Galaxies," Bridges says.

Because the underlying technology is already in place, "I feel confident that we'll see something the public can play sometime in 2008," he adds.

Translation: A bunch of ex-Netscape guys made a beta MOG engine and wants to hire someone to take a failed franchise and make it into a successful, unique, and fun MOG - with a target beta in less than 2 years.

That's best-case-scenario. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Warcraft is busy stomping the dessicated corpse-dust of the other MOGs out of it's hooves and moving on with expansion #1. Blizzard's pattern is to release one expansion per product and then release a sequel (same as Westwood, interestingly enough), so you can feel relatively confidant that by '08 we'll know more about what's next from them.

On the other side of the 'verse *snicker* there's the Star Wars and Star Trek licenses, which in the nerdiverse account for about 99.9% of the space-scifi focus in nerdery. Star Trek MOG comes out what, next year? and Star Wars accounts for the rest of the market.

So how is it that this announcement is supposed to make anyone other than fanatical Firefly drones excited? Anyone else can see it's doomed from the get-go.

OH, and in case you didn't notice - Joss Whedon isn't involved at all.

Yeah. It's been brought, now! :p

[Captain Awesome]

The Firefly universe is anything but compelling. What made it fun to watch was the main characters, and their dialogue, neither of which, I wager, will be present in this game.

As someone on the shack said.

[RMan]

If the mechanics are well put together the world of Firefly is perfect MMO fodder and something a little different to what we are used to.
I agree, it's just that the universe, in comparison to something like Star Wars, has no iconic or particularly memorable elements (light saber, Jedi, Wookies, Tie-Fighters, etc). There’s really nothing particularly interesting about the universe, IMO, it’s a great universe for the Firefly story, but beyond that it’s just kinda generic. Of course, great implementation can make any IP work, I’m just saying when someone says they’re making a Firefly video game, MMO would be way the heck at the bottom of my list of good game types.

[Sandman]

You know what this reminds me of? The Matrix Online...a series that everyone loved and all the fans had alot of hope for it....but the loyal fan base of the series couldn't keep it up and Monolith had to sell the game to SOE less than a year after going live. Thats where my story with that game ended....as I refuse to play any mmorpg SOE has a hand in.

[Tyrant]

Like various posters have already stated, Firefly's appeal(to me and them) had more to do with the characters rather than the universe they lived in, so I can't say I care much for the MMO.

[Vaginasaurus]

They shouldn't even waste the money developing this MMORPG. There's already so many out there, that this would be pointless.

First off, going by history, games based on movies/television are sure fire duds. Sure, there's some exceptions, but the chances of that occurring are less than winning the lottery.

Second, if an established, and huge, fanbase like the Star Wars one is unable to attract many players to their game, what would make anyone think that Firefly will have any kind of pull? There may be some hardcore fans who say otherwise, but look at the Serenity earnings and tell me otherwise.

The only thing that could make this game worthwhile is if it had some awesome gameplay. Otherwise, if they really want to waste their money, they should just hand it over to me. Or, at least, give it to some charity.

[tombofsoldier]

The title of this news post is too evil...

Got one! yes

[Siraris]

OMG! OMG OMG OMG! I have NEVER peed myself this bad, and trust me, I've had some incidents.

Anyways, it will probably be crap. Joss isn't involved, and there isn't even a dev team. Wake me when there's some real Firefly news.

[Royal Fool]

Is there a single MMO based on a television property out there?

Star Trek doesn't count, it's not out. Star Wars also doesn't count. What else has ever made it to market?

[BenkeiHami]

If it wasn't an MMO I'd be interested.

[Citizen Philip]

Since I haven't seen a Western Scifi done well in awhile, I would be very excited to see one: even moreso if it's Firefly format.

[51|RandoM]

what a dumb idea. Firefly was all about the characters and how they interacted. The universe itself? Your average retarded tv scifi bullshit, all it was.

[midrael]

A part of me is currently in a state of utter glee.

The other part of me doesn't think this will actually ever make it to retail. I love Firefly so very, very much, but it has such a narrow, core fanbase that I'm not sure it could actually survive as an MMO. That is especially true with the behemoth that is WoW in the marketplace.

This sounds very much like it could be in the vein of what I always imagined a Privateer Online might be, though. If it does see retail, I'll give this one a try for sure.

[GunnyMo]

I just don't see how this can succeed. It was a great series and good movie but that doesn't make an MMO. I have to agree with Sandman. Star Trek online = forever, Middle Earth online = forever, SciFi channel series known only to hardcore geeks online = forever.

I wouldn't get your hopes up, fellers.

[ElectroDruid]

I love Firefly.

I don't play MMOs.

*IF* this happens, and *IF*, after 6 months or so, the playerbase is still decent, and *IF* that playerbase seems to be happy with the game, and *IF* there is a sensible pricing system for it, and *IF* they can make an MMO without the grind, and without me having to meet "<4pT41|\| |23Y|\|0|_|)z" every 5 minutes, then I might give it a spin for a couple of months.

Let's face it, I'm not likely to be buying into this one. Playing the Firefly tabletop game with a few mates, perhaps, but I doubt I can be sold on this. Never say never, though.

[Savok]

I've always said there needs to be a Firefly MMOG that combines EVE with Puzzle Pirates. That said going by what these folk say... I hold out little hope, they seem to be clueless.

However, that some of you people can't see the utterly fertile ground for a Firefly game astounds me. The universe has everything you could want if you can bother to take notice, backdrops up the wazoo, a menagerie of cultures and even a touch of the supernatural.

[TheSolidHair]

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it.

[Loganrapp]

On the other side of the 'verse *snicker* there's the Star Wars and Star Trek licenses, which in the nerdiverse account for about 99.9% of the space-scifi focus in nerdery. Star Trek MOG comes out what, next year? and Star Wars accounts for the rest of the market.


Yeah, but many Star Wars fans saw what became of SWG and left - that market, I believe, is still untapped, as SWG bit off way more than it could chew. And it's been routinely a larger market.

Not that I'm saying Firefly's going to tap into it - until I see video, it doesn't exist - but that market for a wide-flung space MMO is still open. EVE Online asks for a different kind of player, so they don't hit the mark.

[The Continental]

I hope they're not relying on the fanbase that didn't watch enough of the show to merit a second season. You know, the same fanbase that clamored for a movie, yet still couldn't stop that from being a failure (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm).

I love Firefly as much as anyone (although I hated Serenity), but enough is enough. Firefly is 0/2, if this gets greenlighted, I pity the folks who put the money up for it.

Let it go. The show is over.

[Maskatron]

It almost breaks my heart to see people get excited about this, and I'm a Firefly fan (not a Browncoat though, shudder). This game will be worse than whatever MMO John Romero's working on, I guarantee it. Firefly as a MMO is a horrible idea. It's much better suited to a single player game.

[OrangePulp]

You know what this reminds me of? The Matrix Online...a series that everyone loved

What people loved was the first movie. The other two got progressively worse.

This game is going to bomb, hard. To make a good game, you need a good team. It's highly unlikely that the random guys they get for this project are going to be any good. I even wonder if the engine that's being made for this will be any good, coming from ex-netscape devs.

[Spigot]

If this were to work, and be done well, I'd be happy. I'd hope for something with a bit of EVE Online space exploration and trade with decent on-foot adventures.

I just cringed every time I saw SWG mentioned in the article though. Ug.

Granted, I'm not going to hold my breath for this. We've seen too many failed MMO's to really get too excited but it would be cool if they could capture the feel of the series in a fun game.

[swiftdraw]

I love Firefly as much as anyone (although I hated Serenity), but enough is enough. Firefly is 0/2, if this gets greenlighted, I pity the folks who put the money up for it.

Let it go. The show is over.

Took the words out of my mouth.

[GunnyMo]

As I mentioned in another thread, I really enjoyed Earth and Beyond when it was around. If they could take that open ended, easy to use feel and put that in another scifi MMO I'd be all over it. I'd love a good scifi MMO. The genre really needs one. EVE was fun and gorgeous but the controls were way to wonky (especially since I couldn't remap them) for me. What designers of a space MMO should realize: people may want to play in a scifi universe but they sure as hell don't want to feel like they need to know how to fly the space shuttle to do it.

[Intruder]

I crave a MMO set in the verse, however realistically speaking, I am not getting my hopes up at all.

[Thenetcase]

I will definitely be playing this
If it's HALF WAY decent, I'll be addicted like a schoolboy on crack. Oh wait, I forgot, that's politically incorrect. My bad.

[ElPresidente]

What people loved was the first movie. The other two got progressively worse.

Pffft... the first movie was nothing more than a very good action flick and not as brainy as many would contend.

The next two movies were significantly better in my opinion. At least they had some meat on their bones.

I know I'm in the minority here. I also though Scream 2 was better than the original. :D

[Zeal]

I'm not even kidding when I say an MMO set in the Riddick/Pitch Black universe would be the best ever.

Thank god I'm always right.

[fitbabits]

I'm scared, Momma. I'm real scared.

[Danin]

Pffft... the first movie was nothing more than a very good action flick and not as brainy as many would contend.

The next two movies were significantly better in my opinion. At least they had some meat on their bones.

I know I'm in the minority here. I also though Scream 2 was better than the original. :D

The first movie was a big-budget kung fu flick with a mildly compelling intellectual conundrum that really only served as a plot device. The "braininess" was assigned after the fact by people who thought that the concept of the Matrix was deep and got picked up by the studio to increase marketshare.

The last two movies were pretentious sacks of hot air that fell in love with the overhyped "philosophy" of the first film and by the third movie dissolved into strings of mindless psychobabble and fight scenes that borrowed more from Dragon Ball Z than the kung fu roots that made the first movie compelling.

[t3kl3r]

Hmm... I really liked the show and the movie. But I'm not going to get excited about this just yet. The things I find myself hoping for don't really have anything to do with the fact that it's Firefly related.

I have yet to get into any MMO games simply because it takes something pretty kickass in a specific game to get me to devote that much time to it. Otherwise I play a little bit of a lot of different things.

That said, the first MMO space game out there that allows uninterrupted play from the cockpit of your ship in orbit, flying down through the atmosphere of a planet, landing in some inhospitable landscape, dawning a space suit, and taking a little stroll out the airlock gets my dollars.

I'll just have to make sure I save up enough vacation time for this so that I can be gone for a few months without getting fired. I'd consult the HR department at my current employee about preparing for this, but until Elite 4 comes out, I kinda doubt we'll see anything like this.

There aren't enough space marines, explosions and moments of generally derivative gaming excitement to keep the average gamer from declaring the cold reality of space exploration to be boring and lame. I'm probably weird for wanting a game to make me feel cold and lonely but dammit, that's actually something I'd like to experience. Space, to me, is so much cooler when its enormity and loneliness is its most frightening factor.

What a strange rant. Carry on everyone.

[GunnyMo]

I'm probably weird for wanting a game to make me feel cold and lonely but dammit, that's actually something I'd like to experience. Space, to me, is so much cooler when its enormity and loneliness is its most frightening factor.


I think you nailed it right there. A game that can encompass the enormity of space (as well as we can know it, I suppose) and it's accompanying feeling of the total insignificance of mankind out in that space would be amazing.

[Xerxes]

I like Firefly, but I have to say this is stupid...

[HotCod]

Ok there is only ONE way that i think that this could work is that you have a main guy but you also pick up and train a 'crew' with interaction a lot like say KotR they all have stories and histories and you can effect them in there skills equipment and by the way you play the game they 'change' too again quite like KotR... they basically become like sets of 'gear' every one can pick up what who ever they want (since in most mmos it ok to have 500 unique swords heh) but how your whole crew fits together will be different for every one... on top of that the ship needs to be a "home" you need to be able to walk around it and add what ever the hell you like... In space you would either control the ship or set an auto pilot and wonder around doing stuff and such...

Basically the main idea would be that while you are 'one guy' you play a whole crew like in KotR, and you can do what ever you want with that crew... you could be an outlaw or you could be a honest trader or you could join the police or the navy, this would effect of course what type of crew you could get, if you join the police you'd get a whole pool of other police officers to join your ship and such... in a way it would be restricted because you would have to be kind of 'free lance' with a "small" ship... what you do would effect you standing, so say you join the police but the way you do quests is by being 'bent' or you start to do more and more 'outlaw' based stuff your crew would react to it, some might come along for the ride but others might go back and report you, getting you kicked out... so if your going to play a bent cop you need to pick the right crew and interact with them in the right way or you may find your self an outlaw in need of a mostly new crew...

Be amazing hard to do, and people will go 'what’s the point of an mmo if you crew is all AI/controlled by you in combat like kotr' well the point is there will be lots of people with there own crews doing there own things with home you need to avoid (police if your an outlaw) or team up with to do quests... hell it could even be that your an out law and you put 'looking for a tip' on and there’s an police player who also puts 'looking for a tip' on you'd get matched up and you'd both start a 'quest'... you as the outlaw has to steal something and him at the police has to stop you... you both get goals and maybe an 'instanced' part of the planet and go at it... or there may be quests where you need 2 or 3 crews of out laws to pull it off in the more typical vs AI sense that you pick up as a ‘quest’ off a “outer rim” planet… hell you could even just turn pirate attack other players in “far out” space bored them, and fight in the ship its self to steal there cargo… I mean you could even do something like you come across an abandoned ship you dock up and you get involved in some story, like the crew has been killed by something and where outlaws with something valuable… you could as a police or navy report it back to base and follow it up and find out what is going on… as an outlaw you may look for leads to pick up the item its self, or you could just take stuff from the ship and leave… but the thing about that is that with the ‘crew’ idea you’d have them all acting and interacting in a different way to the story and how you go about it… which was the hart of what firefly was

But ya there’s my pipe dream for it… all off the top of my head… I know its rambling but still it shows what could be done if you really really wanted to try something different… it would mean massive amounts of work because even the ‘simple’ content will need stuff for each member of the crew, what the crew member is like thanks to your actions, and what other crew members are around and how they all act together… which means that you’ll probably only get that kind of thing in single player but to be honest if your looking to do something completely different to WoW I think maybe ‘crews’ are the best way to go about it

[Klade]

I thought this was a fantastic idea right up to the point where I went to Multiverse's and started taking a look at their engine.

The word craptacular doesn't even begin to describe it. I doubt this engine is even capable rendering a few thousand polys at once let alone create AAA game. Sorry folks but this one died before it even got started.

[motor]

I thought this was a fantastic idea right up to the point where I went to Multiverse's and started taking a look at their engine.

The word craptacular doesn't even begin to describe it. I doubt this engine is even capable rendering a few thousand polys at once let alone create AAA game. Sorry folks but this one died before it even got started.

Yes, you can download a beta of their engine (they are trying to get people to create MMO's with the engine) and it is not impressive at all. I didn't get a chance to see how good the actual server code is, since only one person was on with me, but the graphics of the client are not good at all. It is very, very hard to write an MMO and I really doubt their engine will do any kind of justice to the franchise. In fact, I would guess that once someone responsible actually looks at the engine the project will get yanked.

[Oblivion]

hah, I can already hear the sounds of the inevitable crashing of firefly fans' souls & expectations after this still-born thing hatches.

[DigitalFirefly]

That game engine looks like ass. They should license Firefly to this (http://fl-tw.com/Infinity/) game.

[51|RandoM]

I think you nailed it right there. A game that can encompass the enormity of space (as well as we can know it, I suppose) and it's accompanying feeling of the total insignificance of mankind out in that space would be amazing.

While you're contemplating the majesty of space from your unarmed research platform, J00h4X05!$ sneaks up behind you in his deathray9868 series personal assaultcraft and blows you to your component atoms, crying noob! across the multiverse.

Do you really want the enormity of space populated by leet hax0rs?

If this MMO succeeds it will be in spite of the Firefly connection, not because of it.

[Sloth]

licensed properties make bad MMOs. The IP is always compromised because of MMO gameplay. It might sound cool, but in implementation it is always a let down.

[Xerxes]

Joss should've came up with a actual story for where he wanted to go after the events in Serenity. I'm sure he could do interactive storytelling as good as some others. I'm sure the cast could drop a few lines.

[BigJonno]

Oh well, I'll add this to my "I'd love this to be decent, but my hopes aren't high" list.

Firefly does have one trait that gives it better MMORPG potential than, say, Star Trek or Star Wars: its much smaller size. Firefly is set in one solar system, not in a whole galaxy. Most of the "worlds" are terraformed moons, not true planets. It's still huge, but not nearly as big as its contemporaries.

[t3kl3r]

That game engine looks like ass. They should license Firefly to this (http://fl-tw.com/Infinity/) game.

Ooooh... nice! Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll be watching it closely.

[Bone]

IF the property was respected and given creative thought, there is a lot you could do with the Firefly universe (actually, solar system as Jonno noted). Terraforming, pioneering, smuggling, working for or against the Alliance, being or hunting Reavers, shipbuilding and maintenance, prostitution (companionship, actually) and more. And I wouldn't want to see Mal and the crew... what would be the likelihood of running into them in a large solar system?

Do I think this Multiverse can do it right? Probably not. Their engine is weak and they still have to farm the development out to a third party that doesn't yet exist. And Fox is developing it, not Joss, and we all know how much Fox "got it" (compare the pilot episode to the Train Job). So that's too bad.

Oh and GrinR, you didn't really "bring it". You specifically came to this thread to point and laugh at Firefly fans, but all you did was show your ass.

[GrinR]

IF the property was respected and given creative thought, there is a lot you could do with the Firefly universe (actually, solar system as Jonno noted). Terraforming, pioneering, smuggling, working for or against the Alliance, being or hunting Reavers, shipbuilding and maintenance, prostitution (companionship, actually) and more. And I wouldn't want to see Mal and the crew... what would be the likelihood of running into them in a large solar system?

Do I think this Multiverse can do it right? Probably not. Their engine is weak and they still have to farm the development out to a third party that doesn't yet exist. And Fox is developing it, not Joss, and we all know how much Fox "got it" (compare the pilot episode to the Train Job). So that's too bad.

Oh and GrinR, you didn't really "bring it". You specifically came to this thread to point and laugh at Firefly fans, but all you did was show your ass.

But, but yes I did bring it. You challenged my initial scoffing opinion by pointing out the lack of factual information. I provided said information in abundance and so invalidated your dismissal - as I am doing again right now.

Firefly fans make fun of themselves, just like Trekkies. The show was innovative, fun, funny, and (of course) well written. Joss knows how to write character. I'm a huge Buffy and Angel fan, and although I didn't take to Firefly (maybe I didn't get the chance), I loved Serenity. I'm not pointing and laughing at Firefly fans, I'm pointing and laughing at Firefly fanatics who delude themselves into thinking it's more than it is. Y'know, like Trekkies, only worse, since that franchise is still alive.

[A Lusty Alien]

I want to be a Reaver, hunting down Alliance and Browncoats.

[Spigot]

I want to be a Reaver, hunting down Alliance and Browncoats.
The problem is that to properly play a Reaver, you'd have to be a mindless killing machine with nary a civilized thought in your head...

Hmm... that about sums up 98% of the internet population...

[Wasson_]

Consolidating servers in 5...4...3...2...

[Xerxes]

PA got it.... Poorly. But it's done.

[Bone]

But, but yes I did bring it. You challenged my initial scoffing opinion by pointing out the lack of factual information. I provided said information in abundance and so invalidated your dismissal - as I am doing again right now.
Just going back and reading your posts, it's all full of "'verse (snicker)" "stop the signal (snicker)". For the most part it seems you just want to make fun of the style and vernacular of something the rest of us in this thread are fans of. You didn't invalidate my dismissal at all and you didn't bring anything but a funny animated GIF.


Firefly fans make fun of themselves, just like Trekkies. The show was innovative, fun, funny, and (of course) well written. Joss knows how to write character. I'm a huge Buffy and Angel fan, and although I didn't take to Firefly (maybe I didn't get the chance), I loved Serenity. I'm not pointing and laughing at Firefly fans, I'm pointing and laughing at Firefly fanatics who delude themselves into thinking it's more than it is. Y'know, like Trekkies, only worse, since that franchise is still alive.
"Alive" is a relative term for the Trek franchise. I think someone should have executed a DNR order long ago. Just because something has the money to continue doesn't mean it's good or worthwhile. Some of the best shows have been canceled early and utter crap can go on for years on TV. Doesn't prove anything.

Look, I can't disagree that Firefly is essentially over. Still, being a fan of the Firefly universe, I can see great potential for uses of its license. That said, it looks like these guys will hammer the last few nails into the coffin instead of breathing new life into the franchise.

[Codicier]

PA got it.... Poorly. But it's done.

And Codicier spake, saying: "and yea there shall be a link (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/11) for all the people to look upon and know my greatness." And it was so.

[Xerxes]

I thought I added a link. Odd.

[Argus]

This just seems liek a bad idea. The world is not filled out enough.