View Full Version : Lack of HD support for Revolution & higher prices for Zelda Collectors Edition
Everlost_MI
05-17-2005, 05:07 AM
NintendoInsider (http://nintendoinsider.com/) has posted the following blurb (http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEyFpFuEZohVnBeKj.php) regarding the lack of HD support for Revolution and higher prices for titles, specifically Zelda.
Today's New York Times again discussed next-generation consoles. This time, it gave this bad news about High Definition television support for The Revolution:
"Games created for two next-generation consoles - the Xbox 360 from Microsoft and the PlayStation 3 from Sony - will display video in wide-screen high-definition format if the console is connected to a high-definition TV. Only Nintendo's entry, code-named Revolution, will not cater to HDTV's."
The article also stated that, beginning this fall with The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Nintendo will begin selling higher-priced versions of software with "Collectors' Edition" software priced at $59.99.
So if this is true, Nintendo is already in third place in regards to hardware?
Critical update: It's not true. I mean, what does NY Times know?
bapenguin
05-17-2005, 05:15 AM
:(
Well, I guess we'll see today finally what the "revolution" is. That's pretty dissapointing though.
score
05-17-2005, 05:24 AM
I thought they already announced HiDef support?
If this is true I guess I'll pass on the Rev
/lump in my throat
Maybe its similar to this gen, where, on paper the GC is the least powerful machine but not necessarily in practise...
Tricky Thumb
05-17-2005, 05:26 AM
They'd better be hiding something big, because as of now I see no reason to get a brand new system with a bit more power, wireless controllers and lower third-party support than the rest of the competition.
Savok
05-17-2005, 05:30 AM
Here we go again, they aren't jacking up prices for Zelda, it's a Collector's Edition. Jesus.
As for lack of HD, while it might not be the focus like with the others (kind of a shame, I love playing Splinter Cell in widescreen) they'd be stupid to not let it be an option if devs want to add it.
EvilBob46
05-17-2005, 05:33 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, the price isn't "higher" for Zelda. It's higher if you buy the collector's edition just like with any other game. So what is with the super misleading title? Huh? Why not call the thread "Lack of HD support for Revolution and Zelda Collector's Edition?" Wait, forget that, I know why.
jeffool
05-17-2005, 05:35 AM
Yeah, Halo 2 and MechAssault 2 weren't panned for having "higher prices," but they offered Collector's Editions.
But damn it Nintendo, you make it so hard to stand up for you sometimes! Are you not supporting HDTV at all? (Which I find silly and think is wrong.) Or are you just not requiring it? (Which is fine by me if a developer doesn't want to do it, just as long as I know before I buy it. Like XBox did with those capability boxes on back of games.) But didn't you learn anything from your not supporting online play this time? There are bandwagons you should jump on, so that your 'new and different' is an addition, not a replacement for something that everyone else views as standard! The plan is to have everything that everyone else has 'and more'.
crashedout
05-17-2005, 05:41 AM
I think they are happy in their niche, like apple they cater to a certain segment, although not class leading very profitable. If it cheap I may add it to my collection, after MS and sony though.
crackeriah
05-17-2005, 05:43 AM
Maybe they're not supporting hi-def because they have their own custom "revolutionary" display device? :-) Ah, I wish those rumors turned out to be true...
Ernst_Jager
05-17-2005, 05:45 AM
Sounds like Nintendo's usual to me.
Tricky Thumb
05-17-2005, 05:46 AM
I hope they're not hinging on the idea that, "If we make a slightly better system for half the price, people will flock to us for our great games!" because this is very untrue for most people. I doubt this will be the case, but I certainly hope that it is not.
agentgray
05-17-2005, 05:52 AM
Title of the post was a little sensationalistic. (Sigh..they're getting old here, but hey, it got people to read it.) What's new with collector editions? Nintendo's not revolutionistic there.
Too bad about the non-HD support. What was Nintendo thinking? Oh wait...maybe because an extremely high percentage of people still have standard TVs?
Still, they should have added it.
EmoryM
05-17-2005, 05:55 AM
Its pretty revolutionary for everyone to know without a doubt who the loser of a generation will be several years ahead of time...
Then again they've got to have something else. It is inconceivable they've been working on a new system since the GameCube came out and only managed something 2-3 times as powerful with wireless controllers, net connectivity and downloadable content, isn't it?
From what I've heard now unless the thing launches alongside new, innovative and amazing versions of every single Nintendo franchise it will be stillborn.
Reggie wouldn't do that to us. Right?
Savok
05-17-2005, 05:59 AM
Jesus Emory are you some twisted AI creation of the collective bias on this site?
They wrote "will not cater to HDTV's", not "will not support HDTVs". Nintendo said a while ago that Revolution would support TVs and computer monitors for displays. Perhaps it will be like the GameCube, where the HD cable isn't included in the basic console package. Let's hope they're not dumb enough to make any such cable only available through their website again.
Rakael
05-17-2005, 06:12 AM
Sorry Savok, I've stood up with you often to defend Nintendo, but if this is true I will be by your side no longer. If Nintendo is really this stupid, then I'm afraid they will crash and burn.
emperordahc
05-17-2005, 06:15 AM
I am a Nintendo fanboy, but they're just technically retarded; they always shoot themselves like this. The 2nd original NES (toploader) didn't have RCA out (only RF), the second SNES (smaller) didn't have the first's output jack (same plug as the first SNES, N64 and Gamecube, it just had RF), and the 2nd model of the Gamecube removed the digital out to just have the old analog out. And considering that in the lifetime of the system the 16:9 standard will be taking over, this is just stupidity.
The only redeeming thing is; perhaps this goes along w/ the Revolution not using a TV...?
I love Nintendo to death but this is just stupid.
Savok
05-17-2005, 06:16 AM
That pissed me off last time. Make the HD cables fucking available.
lurker4hire
05-17-2005, 06:41 AM
Is it too fscking hard to wait until the actual announcement from nintendo before jumping to conclusions???
We are in the E3 fog 'o' console wars now...
sheesh
TrackZero
05-17-2005, 06:49 AM
I thought they already announced HiDef support?
If this is true I guess I'll pass on the Rev
/lump in my throat
Maybe its similar to this gen, where, on paper the GC is the least powerful machine but not necessarily in practise...
On paper GC was more powerful than the PS2 and obviously was. It was 2nd place.
TrackZero
05-17-2005, 06:53 AM
Sorry Savok, I've stood up with you often to defend Nintendo, but if this is true I will be by your side no longer. If Nintendo is really this stupid, then I'm afraid they will crash and burn.
The entire post here is a misquote. Nintendo said they won't cater to HD, it doesn't mean they won't support it. Hell, the GC already does. And that price hike was with regards to a Collectors Edition of a game.
I mean, jesus fuck. I may as well just start making up fake news headings and posting them to....oh wait, I'm not an editor. ;P
netcraazzy
05-17-2005, 07:05 AM
Although the quote in the article from the New-York Times only says that Revolution will not "cater" to HDTV it seems they are implying that it will not support them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. It seems like in the world of console manufacturers Nintendo is like a little kid that's too scared to try anything new until all the other kids have already done it. When Sony and Sega were forging ahead with CD media Nintendo was content to stick with the tried and true cartridge system. Although they did research and eventually kill a CD device during the SNES days, but that's a whole other can-o-worms. When Microsoft and Sony were making inroads into online gaming Nintendo was happy to sit on the sidelines and see if it was "safe" before they tried it. Now it looks like High-Def support is the new risk that Nintendo will let the other kids try first. It may be cheaper and safer but I'm not seeing any "Revolution" from the big N
score
05-17-2005, 07:22 AM
On paper GC was more powerful than the PS2 and obviously was. It was 2nd place.
Can't remember the figures exactly but on paper, the specs were that the gc was able to push 12m polys compared to 70m and 100m of the PS2 and XBOX respectively....
Nintendo were really conservative with their estimates. I'm not saying its the same this time. Could be. Thats all. :(
CrysDark
05-17-2005, 07:31 AM
I hope they're not hinging on the idea that, "If we make a slightly better system for half the price, people will flock to us for our great games!" because this is very untrue for most people. I doubt this will be the case, but I certainly hope that it is not.
It worked for ESPN football, and this time EA can't get exclusive right to Nintendo (*shudders at the thought*)
TrackZero
05-17-2005, 07:56 AM
Can't remember the figures exactly but on paper, the specs were that the gc was able to push 12m polys compared to 70m and 100m of the PS2 and XBOX respectively....
Nintendo were really conservative with their estimates. I'm not saying its the same this time. Could be. Thats all. :(
Yeah, well Sony likes to put out theoretical numbers instead of what the system actually does. Though I'm not refering to polys getting pushed, a simple look at the system hardware and it was obvious the GC was superior.
But since this is getting sidetracked from the thread, let's let it go.
TrackZero
05-17-2005, 07:58 AM
Although the quote in the article from the New-York Times only says that Revolution will not "cater" to HDTV it seems they are implying that it will not support them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. It seems like in the world of console manufacturers Nintendo is like a little kid that's too scared to try anything new until all the other kids have already done it. When Sony and Sega were forging ahead with CD media Nintendo was content to stick with the tried and true cartridge system. Although they did research and eventually kill a CD device during the SNES days, but that's a whole other can-o-worms. When Microsoft and Sony were making inroads into online gaming Nintendo was happy to sit on the sidelines and see if it was "safe" before they tried it. Now it looks like High-Def support is the new risk that Nintendo will let the other kids try first. It may be cheaper and safer but I'm not seeing any "Revolution" from the big N
It's simply inconceivable that their system would not be able to handle an HDTV output, they're not "implying" anything. Nintendo is trying to make a point that forcing developers to a HDTV minimum standard is none of their business is all. Don't take things out of perspective, and try not to compare multimillion dollar companies to school kids, it just shows your lack of understanding of the industry at hand.
ÜberJumper
05-17-2005, 08:39 AM
I was going to buy a gamecube and RE4. But that you can't get a new Gamecube with Component out completely turned me off from buying one. Sure you can buy a cube, and have it shipped to Nintendo to get the Component out added in, but I want to be able to walk into a store, buy the damn hardware, take it home, and fire it up.
haha, awesome sig TrackZero.
Hellstorm
05-17-2005, 08:50 AM
This report is wrong, Rev supports HiDef. Nintendo even put a PR out on it.
SnappyCrunch
05-17-2005, 08:54 AM
Although the quote in the article from the New-York Times only says that Revolution will not "cater" to HDTV it seems they are implying that it will not support them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. It seems like in the world of console manufacturers Nintendo is like a little kid that's too scared to try anything new until all the other kids have already done it. When Sony and Sega were forging ahead with CD media Nintendo was content to stick with the tried and true cartridge system. Although they did research and eventually kill a CD device during the SNES days, but that's a whole other can-o-worms. When Microsoft and Sony were making inroads into online gaming Nintendo was happy to sit on the sidelines and see if it was "safe" before they tried it. Now it looks like High-Def support is the new risk that Nintendo will let the other kids try first. It may be cheaper and safer but I'm not seeing any "Revolution" from the big N
Nintendo has always been interested in great games, and they've always made hardware that allowed them to make great games. Know why they didn't go with CD media? CD loading times suck ass. They didn't think gamers should have to put up with that when a better format (cartriges) was available. They only added disc support in the GC because it uses a DVD variant, which of course bring the load times down to an acceptable level.
As far as online support, N offered the same support Sony did - an optional broadband adapter.
Nintendo doesn't "sit on the sidelines" of this tech, they evaluate each in terms of whether it will allow them to make better games. In my eyes, Nintendo has actually been the biggest risk-taker in the industry, as evidenced by the Virtual Boy, the DS, and probably the Revolution. Sure, none of their bets have paid off yet, but they're out there with fresh ideas, which is more than I can say for MS or Sony.
joruussuun
05-17-2005, 09:01 AM
We'll hopefully find out in a few minutes, the Press Conference is about to start...
51|RandoM
05-17-2005, 09:13 AM
Lets keep making stuff up about Nintendo and calling it news.
We shall call ourselves NESWeek.
Weak, I know.
joruussuun
05-17-2005, 09:16 AM
Lets keep making stuff up about Nintendo and calling it news.
BREAKING NEWS!
Nintendo Revolution includes a nice fluffy sheep inside every box!
TrackZero
05-17-2005, 09:16 AM
We'll hopefully find out in a few minutes, the Press Conference is about to start...
Managed to get the gamespot stream for it working at work over gxine. Whew.
Savok
05-17-2005, 09:18 AM
We shall call ourselves NESWeek.
Weak, I know.
Hah, I wonder how many people will actually get that :P
And no more damn sheep, we're next door to New Zealand which is full of them.
joruussuun
05-17-2005, 09:19 AM
Managed to get the gamespot stream for it working at work over gxine. Whew.
Heh, yeah, i'm sitting at my desk at work with my headphones on and the Gamespot stream going...
Hopefully the boss will agree that this is important enough to slack a little bit on work... (or I guess I could tell him I am just on my lunch break doing this...)
I'm glad at least one did :).
dr_wily
05-17-2005, 09:22 AM
that sucks! But we all know that Ninty loves the majority, and the majority dont have hdtvs that cost 2000.
They coulda made a gameboy that had a rechargable battery from the start but didnt want to charge 300$ for it and waited till they were affordable and mainstream.
Me being a veteran gamer and a soon to be HD owner makes this suck though, but i understand..
And that was a vicious dig about the zelda price hike, no one said shit about the halo 2 collectors edition. Dirty.
joruussuun
05-17-2005, 09:24 AM
Well I am glad I already own a DLP HDTV for the next generation, and I suspect it will be supported unless the "Revolution" includes some custom display technology... and then it won't even matter.
Savok
05-17-2005, 09:27 AM
And that was a vicious dig about the zelda price hike, no one said shit about the halo 2 collectors edition. Dirty.
Were it not for comments EA would be just like a real life media outlet by now.
joruussuun
05-17-2005, 10:17 AM
Hmmm... Gameboy Mini-thing... interesting...
Liquidize105
05-17-2005, 10:47 AM
This is obviously slander, I wonder who propagated it, sony or microsoft?
mister_slim
05-17-2005, 07:29 PM
This is obviously slander, I wonder who propagated it, sony or microsoft?
I think that people have very short memories. Kutaragi announced PS3 would be backwards compatible (at least to PS2, anyway) a couple months ago. And people were surprised, somehow, when Sony mentions it again.
williambraski
05-17-2005, 07:52 PM
I thought they already announced HiDef support?
If this is true I guess I'll pass on the Rev
/lump in my throat
Maybe its similar to this gen, where, on paper the GC is the least powerful machine but not necessarily in practise...
uh on paper the PS2 is and always has been the least powerful. in practice the PS2 is the least powerful.
personally i don't care about HD. i want games to be fun over fancy
i'd like to point out that despite them currently being #3 as far as home consoles go, Nintendo has made a profit on the Gamecube as a project and as a company on the whole where as MS has been losing money on Xbox since development started and as a company their sales are sliding rapidly. The only reason they're in the game is because they have 50+b in cash in the bank.
Nintendo isn't going anywhere and will continue to get my dollars not out of nostalgia but because I can be assured of good, creative, innovative games. Yeah I have an Xbox but other than Halo what is on the Xbox that isn't on any other console? All their games have hit PC or PS2/Cube. Oh sorry, except Halo2 and Jade Empire. If it weren't for Halo/Halo 2, the Xbox wouldn't be.
I seriously doubt Nintendo is shaking in their boots over the PSP either. So far that hasn't done nearly as well as everyone thought it would.
No I'm not just a Nintendo fanboy. I own it all back to the the 2600. I'm just sick of the "OOOO Shiny new thing!" mentality.
mattcoz
05-18-2005, 02:56 AM
It will play GameCube games as well as a new class of high-definition games, with new emphasis on online play.That was printed in the New York Times a few days earlier about Revolution. Info coming straight from Nintendo.
Seeing as how I'm a huge Microsoft fan, I'm loving this concentrated hate against Nintendo. FEED ME.
Anyway, lack of HD signal support, an online plan without a harddrive and a processor only slightly more powerful than Gamecube's. It's clear at this point Nintendo was never serious about competing with Sony nor Microsoft in the next console cycle.
I predict it'll maintain about the same niche status the Cube currently holds, albiet with even less third-party support. Later, I expect Nintendo to drop out altogether.
jacktion
05-18-2005, 08:17 AM
The Revolution will support Hi-Def, Nintendo has said so repeatedly. And higher prices for collectors editions are standard practice from all three of the big console makers. EA is really crossing the line from being Xbox and Sony fanboys to just being a fake news website. I am not sure where this irrational hatred came from but you guys need to chill out and calm down. It's just some game companies making some electronic devices.
It's like if CNN hated Samsung and started posting stories like this...
"New Samsung TVs explode and kill your family when you turn them on."
"Samsung hates God."
You see how silly you are? Try to at least tell the truth.
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