We have an early winner for lowest next-gen review...

[HardScores]

1UP apparently didn't have much fun with PS3's launch title, Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire. At all. In fact, it only got 2 out of 10 (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155336).

Framerate problems further exacerbate matters. From the jungles to the deserts to the beaches on which it takes place, Crossfire fails to deliver a single occurrence of smooth gameplay. In fact, the entire experience is wrought with choppiness. Moving through the milieu is marred by stifling jerkiness -- a testament to poor coding. And when you're in the thick of combat, as bullets and missiles zing past your head, the framerate drops to point where it's unplayable. Even when you're not in combat, you'll still feel the slowdown residue: The menus are laggy, suffering a slight pause whenever you choose your selection.

Luckily for it, American McGee Presents: Bad Day L.A. got a 1 out of 10, saving PS3 from having the Worst Game of the Year.

[torrefaction]

Playb3yond!

[fitbabits]

Hey, I submit to you that Bomberman: Act Zero on 360 is one of the worst next generation games available.

[torrefaction]

Yeah, but in all fairness that wasn't a launch title.

You can expect drivel down the road. For as many great PS2 games as there are, there are 3 times as many crappy games.

[51|RandoM]

The wheat to chaff ratio on the ps2 was pretty bad.

On the other hand, the harvest was so big compared to the Gamecube bushel that they still had more AAA games.

Oh, and on the original topic, Gundam was thrown in just to give the Japanese a release title.

stray thought: waiting for the next Lost episode is chapping my ass.

[fitbabits]

The wheat to chaff ratio on the ps2 was pretty bad.

On the other hand, the harvest was so big compared to the Gamecube bushel that they still had more AAA games.

stray thought: waiting for the next Lost episode is chapping my ass.
I suggest this (http://www.buttpaste.com/).

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[JazGalaxy]

1UP apparently didn't have much fun with PS3's launch title, Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire. At all. In fact, it only got 2 out of 10 (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155336).



Luckily for it, American McGee Presents: Bad Day L.A. got a 1 out of 10, saving PS3 from having the Worst Game of the Year.

I think it's interesting that almost every PS3 game so far.. be it 1rst party or 3rd party, port or dedicated game, has apparently had issues with frame rate.

[HardScores]

I know it' only a throw-in title, or whathaveyou. But a launch title, in the middle of the Holiday season... you usually see this kinda dreg sneaked out in the hot Summer months 2 years after launch.

[51|RandoM]

I think it's interesting that almost every PS3 game so far.. be it 1rst party or 3rd party, port or dedicated game, has apparently had issues with frame rate.


...just like the 360 release titles.

hmmm, maybe it has nothing to do with the console and everything to do with meeting an arbitrarily set deadline on an entirely new platform.

resistance is locked at 30fps, btw.

[fitbabits]

...just like the 360 release titles.

hmmm, maybe it has nothing to do with the console and everything to do with meeting an arbitrarily set deadline on an entirely new platform.

resistance is locked at 30fps, btw.
I don't recall any of the 360's launch titles (apart from maybe PDZ) choking with frame rates. Care to elaborate?

Stray thought - I can't wait to rip you a new one on Gears of War! You've had it coming for a looooooong time. :)

[Reanimated]

Next-gen has officially begun, folks.

[Paranoia]

resistance is locked at 30fps, btw.

Yeah? You played that game already?

[Paranoia]

I don't recall any of the 360's launch titles (apart from maybe PDZ) choking with frame rates. Care to elaborate?



I read that COD2 for the X360 runs consistantly at 60 fps. ;)

[Reanimated]

I read that COD2 for the X360 runs consistantly at 60 fps. ;)



That's a fact.

[torrefaction]

Yeah, I can't think of any issues I had with frame rates as far as the 360 goes.

I remember thinking how incredibly solid and smooth everything was actually.

[51|RandoM]

Yeah? You played that game already?

I don't have to have played it.

I didn't sign the declaration of indepence, but I still know what is written on it.

I suppose you don't believe it is possible to kill somebody with a firearm, presumably never having done it yourself?

[51|RandoM]

GoW chugs sometimes the first time through a cutscene. They're loading/cacheing level data in the background, I believe.

[Ghostbear]

gears seems to work awesome in multiplayer though, havn't had any lag so far

[torrefaction]

GoW chugs sometimes the first time through a cutscene. They're loading/cacheing level data in the background, I believe.

Agreed, but you specifically stated release titles, and I just don't recall any issues.

[Heretic Machine]

Games licensed off of anime have an inverse relationship between the game's quality, and the popularity of the anime on which it was based.

[Watership]

...just like the 360 release titles.

hmmm, maybe it has nothing to do with the console and everything to do with meeting an arbitrarily set deadline on an entirely new platform.

resistance is locked at 30fps, btw.

Call of Duty 2 was 60 frames per second. In fact, the only Xbox 360 launch title i remember with actual framerate issues was Need for Speed. That doesn't mean that the games looked good :) COUGHgunCOUGH.

OH but what the 360 does have is Screen Tearing problems. I HATE that. WHen games like Dead or Alive can run 60 frames per second and Gears can look incredible, it just means poor coding.

[NeoCutter]

Famitsu disagrees....


Famitsu rated this game 8,8,8,8. Historically they are not known for giving out high review scores without reason. I'm going to gamble and pick it up. I've seen a boat load of gameplay videos, and some live action gameplay on the internet show "On The Spot".

The game looked good enough runnin live to me. As in, I didn't see any frame rate issues. Video of a video monitor may have hidden that though.

I'm picking up my system/games shortly after I get out of a meeting.

Fingers crossed!

[51|RandoM]

Yeah? You played that game already?

ask and answered, scroll up.

[51|RandoM]

Agreed, but you specifically stated release titles, and I just don't recall any issues.

...which means you don't play those titles at all anymore, right?

(ok, that was an obvious duck&troll on my part).

:)

All I'm saying is don't expect perfection in launch titles. The 360 launch titles weren't perfect, the PS3 launch titles aren't perfect, the more complex consoles get, the less likely we'll see perfect launch titles. I'd think everybody could agree with that, but I could be wrong---I often am.

The good news, of course, is now that consoles are Internet-enabled, blemishes can be fixed relatively easily with patches---CoD2 multiplayer a case in point.

[JazGalaxy]

As down as I am on PS3, Gundam actually did look pretty fun when a guy was demoing it on On The Spot. I couldn't vouch for the framerate since it was a webcast, and I'm not sure how anyone could, but it's game mechanics seemed fun.

[Johan]

I don't find it surprising, or especially worrisome, that a launch console has some games that aren't well received. Why is that surprising? It's a first-gen title on a complex system. There will surely be more crappy titles to come...for ALL the systems.

Big deal.

[51|RandoM]

Stray thought - I can't wait to rip you a new one on Gears of War! You've had it coming for a looooooong time. :)

I played with you a bit last weekend, but then you left---I think you had some knitting to do, or maybe wanted to get in a quick round of barbie horse adventures.

;)

[fitbabits]

I played with you a bit last weekend, but then you left---I think you had some knitting to do, or maybe wanted to get in a quick round of barbie horse adventures.

;)
It was actually laundry I had to take care or.

[thenefariousone]

Famitsu disagrees....


Famitsu rated this game 8,8,8,8. Historically they are not known for giving out high review scores without reason. I'm going to gamble and pick it up. I've seen a boat load of gameplay videos, and some live action gameplay on the internet show "On The Spot".

The game looked good enough runnin live to me. As in, I didn't see any frame rate issues. Video of a video monitor may have hidden that though.

I'm picking up my system/games shortly after I get out of a meeting.

Fingers crossed!

Interesting how virtually the exact same words appear here and on 1up's website...

Anyways - many more reviews are coming, so we'll see soon enough which one's more accurate.

[51|RandoM]

It was actually laundry I had to take care or.

Ironing shirts for your man? Oh man, I love trash-talking.:D

[fitbabits]

Ironing shirts for your man? Oh man, I love trash-talking.:D
Actually, I was ironing shirts for my wife!

[Ph00p]

Famitsu disagrees....


Famitsu rated this game 8,8,8,8. Historically they are not known for giving out high review scores without reason. I'm going to gamble and pick it up. I've seen a boat load of gameplay videos, and some live action gameplay on the internet show "On The Spot".

The game looked good enough runnin live to me. As in, I didn't see any frame rate issues. Video of a video monitor may have hidden that though.

I'm picking up my system/games shortly after I get out of a meeting.

Fingers crossed!

Jesus! Isn't that rated out of FORTY? that'd only give it 24/40 not a great grade by any means.


edit: hangovers last too long sometimes :( 32.

[fitbabits]

Jesus! Isn't that rated out of FORTY? that'd only give it 24/40 not a great grade by any means.
Math lesson:

8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 32.

Look at it this way, 8 + 8 = 16 and 8 + 8 = 16. Now, add the two 16s and you still get 32.

The only way you would get 24 from the above is to do the following calculation: 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 24. Now, unless Famitsu changed how they dole out the scores, I'm going to assume they meant 32 and not 24.

[51|RandoM]

Actually, I was ironing shirts for my wife!

That is actually pretty cool. You are a lucky man, tell your wife I said so.

I suppose she is too.mutter.mutter.mutter.rolleyes.

[JazGalaxy]

Math lesson:

8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 32.

Look at it this way, 8 + 8 = 16 and 8 + 8 = 16. Now, add the two 16s and you still get 32.

The only way you would get 24 from the above is to do the following calculation: 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 24. Now, unless Famitsu changed how they dole out the scores, I'm going to assume they meant 32 and not 24.

That's hilarious. I was looking at that too, but I was trying to figure out what he was saying.

[fitbabits]

That is actually pretty cool. You are a lucky man, tell your wife I said so.

I suppose she is too.mutter.mutter.mutter.rolleyes.
I do all the ironing here and I love it. It relaxes me! I'll be sure to let her know that you think I'm the lucky one. :)

[TheFlyingOrc]

Games licensed off of anime have an inverse relationship between the game's quality, and the popularity of the anime on which it was based.
Those DBZ and Naruto games are supposed to be palatable.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Math lesson:

8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 32.

Look at it this way, 8 + 8 = 16 and 8 + 8 = 16. Now, add the two 16s and you still get 32.

The only way you would get 24 from the above is to do the following calculation: 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 24. Now, unless Famitsu changed how they dole out the scores, I'm going to assume they meant 32 and not 24.
8 + 8 + 8 - 8 is 16....
8 +8 = 16
8 - 8 = 0
16 + 0 = 16

[gzsfrk]

Math lesson:
...
The only way you would get 24 from the above is to do the following calculation: 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 24.

Not that I disagree with the point you were making, but I feel obligated to point out that 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 does NOT equal 24, but rather 16.

Don't feel bad, though--you're still better than some of the math teachers I had in elementary school. ;)

Edit: DOH! TFO -barely- beat me to it. :)

[fitbabits]

8 + 8 + 8 - 8 is 16....
8 +8 = 16
8 - 8 = 0
16 + 0 = 16
Awesome! I was hoping that someone would pick up on that! It's one of the many trick math puzzles that I used to fall for all the damn time. :)

[fitbabits]

Not that I disagree with the point you were making, but I feel obligated to point out that 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 does NOT equal 24, but rather 16.

Don't feel bad, though--you're still better than some of the math teachers I had in elementary school. ;)

Edit: DOH! TFO -barely- beat me to it. :)
It was intentional - see above. I was trying to fool ph00p the way I used to be fooled.

[michaelwhite]

You heard it here first, Microsoft buys SCEA.

[NightRain]

Math lesson:

8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 32.

Look at it this way, 8 + 8 = 16 and 8 + 8 = 16. Now, add the two 16s and you still get 32.

The only way you would get 24 from the above is to do the following calculation: 8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 24. Now, unless Famitsu changed how they dole out the scores, I'm going to assume they meant 32 and not 24.


8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 16

Not 24, your math isn't so hot either.

[fitbabits]

8 + 8 + 8 - 8 = 16

Not 24, your math isn't so hot either.
Reading comprehension FTW. Look a few posts about yours and you'll see why I made that deliberate error.

[AniAko]

Hey, I submit to you that Bomberman: Act Zero on 360 is one of the worst next generation games available.

I will be bold enough to say DOA Extreme 2, is the worst game of the year. I give it a 0.7 our of 10 :mad:

[KamaItachi]

Famitsu disagrees....


Famitsu rated this game 8,8,8,8. Historically they are not known for giving out high review scores without reason. I'm going to gamble and pick it up. I've seen a boat load of gameplay videos, and some live action gameplay on the internet show "On The Spot".

The game looked good enough runnin live to me. As in, I didn't see any frame rate issues. Video of a video monitor may have hidden that though.

I'm picking up my system/games shortly after I get out of a meeting.

Fingers crossed!

I'm not being petronising, or condescending, but have you ever read a copy of Famitsu?

They may be well respected, but they are far from a credible source. I've been burned on a few reviews of theirs in the past (NNN got 32 and 37 In Famitsu Xbox) and it's horribly obvious when they're towing the advertising/hype line.

Big fat yarbles to Famitsu.

[KamaItachi]

I will be bold enough to say DOA Extreme 2, is the worst game of the year. I give it a 0.7 our of 10 :mad:

But.. but THE BOOBS!

[Ultima Thulian]

Hey, I submit to you that Bomberman: Act Zero on 360 is one of the worst next generation games available.

Amen. It's at least the worse 360 game. I played and reviewed the damned thing. It is full of phail.

[Royal Fool]

Worst launch game ever?

Is there a worse one? I don't think any of the PS2 titles were ever this bad.

[Ultima Thulian]

Marky Mark make my video has to be the worst launch title ever.

[MasterKwan]

I love me some boobs a long long time but, I agree that DOA Extreme 2 is a POS. The first one was much better even though the boobs didn't bounce as much. I''m thinking about selling it quickly before it gets out how shitty it is. Even the volleyball game part's been F'd up.

[H.Bogard]

I don't recall any of the 360's launch titles (apart from maybe PDZ) choking with frame rates. Care to elaborate?


Carmack's 360 fanboyism. (http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/searchresult.asp?term=quake+4&itemid=928233)

Reading comprehension FTW. Look a few posts about yours and you'll see why I made that deliberate error.

Yeah... deliberate... suuuurree! :p

[torrefaction]

Fuck...I can't believe I forgot about Quake 4. I returned it because the frame rate was so bad.

You can't blame that on Carmack though. Raven developed the port.

[J Arcane]

I'm not being petronising, or condescending, but have you ever read a copy of Famitsu?

They may be well respected, but they are far from a credible source. I've been burned on a few reviews of theirs in the past (NNN got 32 and 37 In Famitsu Xbox) and it's horribly obvious when they're towing the advertising/hype line.

Big fat yarbles to Famitsu.
Agreed. Famitsu is one of the worst fanboy rags in the world. The mere fact that it has the word "Gundam" is it was enough to guarantee a good score from Famitsu.

You may as well have cited Baghdad Bob on how the war in Iraq was going.

[Chameleo]

i think fantavision might have been a worse launch title.

[Wasson_]

Yeah, that and Final Fantasy...


EDIT: about fimatshit magazine.

[J Arcane]

Actually, from what I've heard, Fantavision was actually a rather fun little puzzle game. It just took a lot of shit because it wasn't exactly the kind of thing people were expecting as one of the only launch titles on the much-lauded "Emotion Engine".

[Chameleo]

Actually, from what I've heard, Fantavision was actually a rather fun little puzzle game. It just took a lot of shit because it wasn't exactly the kind of thing people were expecting as one of the only launch titles on the much-lauded "Emotion Engine".

it wasnt just a fireworks simulator? .... an expanded version of the PS2 'dashboard'?

[J Arcane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FantaVision

FantaVision is a PlayStation 2 launch title from Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. It is a real-time puzzle game involving fireworks. It relies on quick colour matching and symbol recognition skills.

Though this was amusing:

The US launch version of this title does not properly support the TOSLINK optical audio output of the PlayStation 2. Instead, audio is output only over the standard analog stereo connections.

Apparently the PS3's problems with optical audio not working with HDMI have a historical precedent. ;)

[Chameleo]

heh heh.

wow i didnt think there was a point at all to fantavision. i may have to pick up that badboy. heh.

:)

[H.Bogard]

Fuck...I can't believe I forgot about Quake 4. I returned it because the frame rate was so bad.

You can't blame that on Carmack though. Raven developed the port.

Hey! Everyone knows that Raven are ID's bitches. :rolleyes:

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Ironing shirts for your man? Oh man, I love trash-talking.:D


Please, as if he'd iron my shirts. :rolleyes:


That is actually pretty cool. You are a lucky man, tell your wife I said so.

I suppose she is too.mutter.mutter.mutter.rolleyes.


So his wife is a lucky man too?? :p

[NeoCutter]

So I stand corrected.

I picked this up at launch and it went right back to the store as a trade in three days ago, ( And I NEVER trade in my old games as the 3 rooms filled to the brim in my house would attest to if they could speak).

It is horrible. Possibly the worst game I've purchased in the last ten years. Control is unresponsive, camera is horrible, graphix are choppy as hell and the overall polish is sub PS1/Sega Saturn quality. The menu system is quite nice though. :0( WTH???

I'm big enough to admit I was wrong, and BOY was I wrong.

Looks like I'm breaking out some VirtuaOn Oratorio Tangram to get my Robot fix!

[jeffbax]

Famitsu disagrees....


Famitsu rated this game 8,8,8,8. Historically they are not known for giving out high review scores without reason. I'm going to gamble and pick it up. I've seen a boat load of gameplay videos, and some live action gameplay on the internet show "On The Spot".

The game looked good enough runnin live to me. As in, I didn't see any frame rate issues. Video of a video monitor may have hidden that though.

I'm picking up my system/games shortly after I get out of a meeting.

Fingers crossed!
Famitsu's Review Methodology:Finally found it. This text is written by Greg (former Joypad/Gaming, now freelance in France). He also worked for Famitsu Xbox and some other japanese publications.

"The scores of famitsu, how it works :

1) Famitsu is a weekly magazine. Thus there are 4 teams making one magazine per month, with one chief editor each.

2) Before starting testing a game, the chief editor and the reviewers have a meeting and discuss about the game. If the chief editor got special orders from the publisher (don't be to harsh or so) he tells them there.

3) The 4 reviewers play the game.

4) They go back to the chief editor the day the magazine is finished and discuss again. They each agree on the score they will give to the game.

5) The chief editor sends the scores to the publishers so they can comment about them.

6) If the publicher is not happy with the scores, he negotiates. For example : "All right, you are harsh on that one, but the next one you give me a free ad, ok ?"

There it is, it's not that difficult. I say "Famitsu" because I know it from the inside, but in Japan it works like that everywhere. The magazine get the images and infos MONTHS before the official press release, but wait for the publishers before doing anything with them. There is absolutely no research from them.

All the pages about a game are sent and verified by each publisher. If they do a feature about Devil May Cry, it will be checked by Capcom who will send back the page saying them to change a title or some texts...

I hope I did not destroy a myth"

End of the lousy translation

[bean19]

Hey, I submit to you that Bomberman: Act Zero on 360 is one of the worst next generation games available.

The diplomatic answer would probably be Bionicle Heroes as it managed to suck on several systems (though Bomberman is fucking awful).