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J Arcane
11-16-2006, 10:41 PM
From IGN: (http://pc.ign.com/articles/746/746486p1.html)

November 16, 2006 - In its holiday issue, soon to be on store shelves, PC Gamer may have inadvertently announced Gears of War for Windows. On page 28 of the Holiday 2006 issue, a display stand photographed on the Microsoft campus shows Gears of War among several upcoming PC games.

Microsoft could not confirm that Gears is in fact coming to PC and the company has no current plans for an announcement in the near future. The article in PC Gamer discusses the future of Windows Vista and Microsoft's efforts to support the new OS with high-profile games.

Though Gears of War is not guaranteed to arrive on Windows, the sighting raises hope. There's no doubt that Gears for Windows would be a hit. And if we're smart enough to figure that out, so is Microsoft.

I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

Editor's Note: The Above comment in no way represents the opinions of EvilAvatar.com and or the EvilAvatar.com community and or the Gears of War community and or Gamers in general.

GunnyMo
11-17-2006, 04:30 AM
I'll have to disagree on the "horrid" controls. The game plays and controls beautifully. To fire accuratly in any game you need to come out from behind cover, Mr. Picky.

bapenguin
11-17-2006, 04:32 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

Ummm....what? Somebody doesn't know how to play the game! n00b! ;)

Cubfan
11-17-2006, 04:35 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

huh?



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soco
11-17-2006, 04:36 AM
didn't someone find something like this before?

i'm sure it'll probably eventually make it there, but i wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft forces you to buy a 360 controller to play it. i think it won't arrive before next christmas at the earliest though.

NightRain
11-17-2006, 04:50 AM
You can still use the right analog stick to aim when behind cover. If you practice and don't suck you can lineup the center of the screen pretty much perfect so when you pull the left trigger to lean out of cover your aim cursor is exactly where you want it to me. I never come out of cover to aim, I just come out to pop off a few shots. I aim with the character still in cover, it requires very little skill to become good at this.

Learn to play the game before you bash the controls.

Cupelix
11-17-2006, 04:51 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!Seriously, someone should edit this inane comment off of the front page. Pull the L trigger, and you poke your head out from cover, without standing all the way up. I'd like to see you get behind some cover and then try aiming over it with any accuracy without exposing yourself first.

Doesn't even sound like you've played the game.

bapenguin
11-17-2006, 05:02 AM
Seriously, someone should edit this inane comment off of the front page. Pull the L trigger, and you poke your head out from cover, without standing all the way up. I'd like to see you get behind some cover and then try aiming over it with any accuracy without exposing yourself first.

Doesn't even sound like you've played the game.

We won't edit people like that....but I did take SOME action. :)

King Chaos
11-17-2006, 05:07 AM
Oh, come on, you guys! The game sucks! ...okay, maybe not... but I keep dying... THAT sucks! :D

Syl
11-17-2006, 05:11 AM
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't come to PC.

Hopefully the PC version will allow for created content, more multiplayer maps and maybe some multiplayer with more than 4 people. (More RAM, etc.)

Rival
11-17-2006, 05:22 AM
Editor's Note: The Above comment in no way represents the opinions of EvilAvatar.com and or the EvilAvatar.com community and or the Gears of War community and or Gamers in general.

This "Editor's Note" should be placed on every post at EvAv, or none at all. There's no sense in placing it on the ones the admins are offended by.

I guess I just have to accept the fact that EvAv is a Xbox fanboy haven. :(

Knite
11-17-2006, 05:25 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

You know that was done on purpose and isn't a control issue, but was designed that way? You ever hear of game mechanics? You know, Risk vs. Reward?

Go back to playing Doom.
=P

Intruder
11-17-2006, 05:27 AM
Ummm he does realize that you can lean out to the sides from cover as well, does he not?

Watership
11-17-2006, 05:29 AM
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't come to PC.

Hopefully the PC version will allow for created content, more multiplayer maps and maybe some multiplayer with more than 4 people. (More RAM, etc.)

The 4vs4 player isn't a hardware limitation on the console really. It's Epic's choice in how Mutliplayer would be the most fun, with a peer to peer network set up. Actually I suppose it could be a time/server hardware limitation. They could have done a 16/32 level match, but they'd need dedicated servers, and a much longer development time, wayyy past the key Holiday season.

Knite
11-17-2006, 05:29 AM
This "Editor's Note" should be placed on every post at EvAv, or none at all. There's no sense in placing it on the ones the admins are offended by.

I guess I just have to accept the fact that EvAv is a Xbox fanboy haven. :(

Has nothing to do with EvAv being a fanboy haven and everything to do with the fact that the OP was talking about horrible controls, and then proceeded to complain about a design decision, one which happens to also be a fundamental difference between this game and a game such as Halo, Half-Life, or Timeshift.

Nighthold
11-17-2006, 05:36 AM
Wow... submitter sucks at life.

And my money is on Vista exclusive (if a title on both PC and Xbox 360) can be considered to be exclusive.

Cupelix
11-17-2006, 05:36 AM
We won't edit people like that....but I did take SOME action.
Hah, I like it.

This "Editor's Note" should be placed on every post at EvAv, or none at all. There's no sense in placing it on the ones the admins are offended by.No, that disclaimer should be put on comments submitted by news posters which are obviously retarded, but funny enough to keep so that everyone can ridicule them.
I guess I just have to accept the fact that EvAv is a Xbox fanboy haven. His comment, and the editors note have nothing to do with the console, and everything to do with THE GAME. As noted by Knite, its not horrible controls, its intended as the gameplay mechanic, which J Arcane obviously can't figure out.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 05:36 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.

Firing with the right trigger is artificially accuracy limited. A guy can be five feet in front of your point of cover and you'll still miss, and rightly so damn near, considering the idiot is just firing blindly. The alternative, the left trigger, is equally as artifical, in the sense that you will AUTOMATICALLY be hit the second you pop your head out, though again, this is almost rightly so anyway considering the this supposedly highly trained commando stands almost straight up to aim.

Seriously, how the fuck to you make a game like this, and get that so wrong? Cliffy's never seen so much a simple stock photo of a soldier firing from cover?

Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

Evil Avatar
11-17-2006, 05:48 AM
Seriously, how the fuck to you make a game like this, and get that so wrong? Cliffy's never seen so much a simple stock photo of a soldier firing from cover?

Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

I'm sorry you don't like the game. I recommend you sell it on Ebay, I'm sure it will sell in like 10 seconds.

Cubfan
11-17-2006, 05:50 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.

Firing with the right trigger is artificially accuracy limited. A guy can be five feet in front of your point of cover and you'll still miss, and rightly so damn near, considering the idiot is just firing blindly. The alternative, the left trigger, is equally as artifical, in the sense that you will AUTOMATICALLY be hit the second you pop your head out, though again, this is almost rightly so anyway considering the this supposedly highly trained commando stands almost straight up to aim.

Seriously, how the fuck to you make a game like this, and get that so wrong? Cliffy's never seen so much a simple stock photo of a soldier firing from cover?

Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

uh, ok.

backs away slowly....

Food Nipple
11-17-2006, 05:51 AM
Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

If you are hiding behind a waist high piece of cover and stand at either end of it, you will fire around the corner when you pull the L trigger rather than over the top. I haven't looked at the animations that closely but your charcter's head does raise up slightly when you blind fire. You are seriously nitpicking about extremely minor details.

Also please take into mind that if there are things that you feel are unrealistic then they are probably that way for gameplay reasons. I would much rather play a fun unrealistic game than a realistic game that wasn't as fun. As it stands now, you comments in the news post really come off as trollish.

Borys
11-17-2006, 05:54 AM
PC gaming FTW. There is simply no reason to invest in a 360 if you are a hardcore PC gamer. Not that hardcore PC gamers would buy any console but still.

Mr.Green
11-17-2006, 06:01 AM
Console gaming FTW. There is simply no reason to invest in a PC if you are a hardcore console gamer. Not that hardcore console gamers would buy any PC but still.

Fixed it for you etc...

Kem0sabe
11-17-2006, 06:10 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.

Firing with the right trigger is artificially accuracy limited. A guy can be five feet in front of your point of cover and you'll still miss, and rightly so damn near, considering the idiot is just firing blindly. The alternative, the left trigger, is equally as artifical, in the sense that you will AUTOMATICALLY be hit the second you pop your head out, though again, this is almost rightly so anyway considering the this supposedly highly trained commando stands almost straight up to aim.

Seriously, how the fuck to you make a game like this, and get that so wrong? Cliffy's never seen so much a simple stock photo of a soldier firing from cover?

Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

The above post is a good counterpoint to the people that claim that Gears did things in a realistic way permitting accurate shooting only when standing out of your cover.

Seriously, Gears is a great game, but its a gangster style of shoot'em'up, the way your character shoots behind cover and moves from cover to cover, has nothing to do with realistic military tactics.

Mr.Green
11-17-2006, 06:13 AM
IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Sorry, I snapped.

Goronmon
11-17-2006, 06:20 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.You're really trying as hard as you can to troll aren't you? GG, man, GG.

Edit: And I find blind firing to be pretty accurate. Works really well in single-player as well as multiplayer. Heck, if I guy is coming up along the wall on a corner you are covering, blind-firing the shotty is an easy gib kill.

Sense Field
11-17-2006, 06:21 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

Maybe people will learn to take cover and fire over cover instead of "standing strait up in the middle of the fire fight". You really have to know how to play the game to truely appreciate the responsive and well thought out controls.

if your in a match with me and you are out in the open fireing... be prepared to get your head poped off. ;)

Ph00p
11-17-2006, 06:48 AM
Meh, Gears of what?

Varsity
11-17-2006, 06:53 AM
Brothers in Arms had a similar system to Gears', if I'm reading this right. People bitched about that too: they just couldn't get their heads around a shooter not all about pointing their cursor and pressing a button.

bapenguin
11-17-2006, 07:14 AM
Seriously, Gears is a great game, but its a gangster style of shoot'em'up, the way your character shoots behind cover and moves from cover to cover, has nothing to do with realistic military tactics.

I don't think it's trying to be. But what it is dictating is a certain playstyle. It's not dictating a run and gun, but a cover and move system. Is it based on real military tactics? No. It's a sci-fi action game that's meant to be fun. That's it. Not a simulation.

RestlessAvenger
11-17-2006, 07:14 AM
Yeah, cheesy shit like that is the exact reason that J Arcane sits nicely in my Ignore list.

SMES
11-17-2006, 07:23 AM
<cut nonsense>
You are an idiot.

fitbabits
11-17-2006, 07:25 AM
GoW on PC, you say? Well, I'll be damned.

digitalErich
11-17-2006, 07:40 AM
PC gaming FTW. There is simply no reason to invest in a 360 if you are a hardcore PC gamer. Not that hardcore PC gamers would buy any console but still.
How do those grapes taste...lil sour there?

I own two PCs fully capable of running any game out there and yet, I own every console sans the PS3. Sounds like someone is trying to justify not being able to afford both a good PC and 360. I'm definately not saying everyone should spend as much as I do on this hoobby, but at the same time, I'm not going to call any car I can't afford a PoS. Anyone that is a true gamer knows fully well that no one platform is going to give you the complete experience.

digitalErich
11-17-2006, 07:42 AM
Seriously, Gears is a great game, but its a gangster style of shoot'em'up, the way your character shoots behind cover and moves from cover to cover, has nothing to do with realistic military tactics.
Yeah, it's like, I loved Tribes back in teh day, but hell, those jetpacks and personal battle armor are NOTHING like real world jetpacks and personal armor. Once I realized this I stopped having fun and saw the game for what it was...an insanely fun game, but ultimately flawed by not imitating the real world in every possible way.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 07:46 AM
The above post is a good counterpoint to the people that claim that Gears did things in a realistic way permitting accurate shooting only when standing out of your cover.

Seriously, Gears is a great game, but its a gangster style of shoot'em'up, the way your character shoots behind cover and moves from cover to cover, has nothing to do with realistic military tactics.
I disagree on your overall opinion of the game, but yes. Gears was billed as a tactical shooter, when in fact the "tactics" it represents, and the control it provides for them, are fundamentally broken.

That it's paired then with horribly repetitve gameplay, and some of the most awful character art ever to grace a supposedly AAA title, is just a bonus I guess.

I am very disappointed in Epic. I expected better, a lot better, from the company that made some of my all time favorite games, and the guy who made some of my absolute favorite maps for those games. Apparently I was wrong.

Rifter
11-17-2006, 07:46 AM
I thought I heard that this was coming to PC, already. If it does, I will pick it up for PC, too. Imagine Gears of War, with the precision of a PC keyboard/mouse... my god, it would be a thing of beauty! :-)

Grave
11-17-2006, 07:49 AM
Are people really that stupid?

Read your fucking manual, it specifically states that the inspiration for gears of war is PAINTBALL.

If you have played paintball on any kind of competitive level you understand that this game plays and feels JUST like paintball.

Blind fire to make someone feel like you are shooting at them so they stay in cover, make your move etc etc. or pop out and get some accurate hits. Teamates sneak around the side or people charge down field.

THIS IS NOT FUCKING URBAN COMBAT.

nate5881
11-17-2006, 08:15 AM
The above post is a good counterpoint to the people that claim that Gears did things in a realistic way permitting accurate shooting only when standing out of your cover.

Seriously, Gears is a great game, but its a gangster style of shoot'em'up, the way your character shoots behind cover and moves from cover to cover, has nothing to do with realistic military tactics.

Well that and the way you can take like 5 bullets, not die and then heal within a few seconds, I mean it takes a normal soldier at least 3 or 4 minutes to heal...or the chainsaw bayonet, that thing is nothing like real military chainsaw bayonets...you'd expect them to at least get the physics of that right.

It's fucking GAME about ALIENS that come out of the GROUND. No realistic military tactics? I'll be damned.

Here's a counter point for you, simulations suck. Play video games to have fun. If you really want to know what it's like to be shot at behind cover get off your lazy ass and play paintball or something.

fitbabits
11-17-2006, 08:16 AM
Here's a counter point for you, simulations suck. Play video games to have fun. If you really want to know what it's like to be shot at behind cover get off your lazy ass and play paintball or something.
Or join the armed forces. Fo' reals, yo!

saulob
11-17-2006, 08:17 AM
But, back on the topic... I want that PC version NOW !!

but will be like Halo 1 or 2 ... ten years later... great... too nice.

Adam Blue
11-17-2006, 08:33 AM
PC gaming FTW. There is simply no reason to invest in a 360 if you are a hardcore PC gamer. Not that hardcore PC gamers would buy any console but still.

Wrong. You simply cannot enjoy the gaming scene with ONLY a PC. I love my mother-fucking PC to death, I just got a badass Opteron for it yesterday, but as a true mother fucking gamer, I would be doing a disservice to my self if I didn't own a mother fucking console to play those other games on.

What kind of comment is that anyway Borys? Serisously that's shit wrong.

51|RandoM
11-17-2006, 08:35 AM
Gears of War will be a completely different game on PC.


...that could be a good thing, or a really bad thing.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 08:36 AM
Wrong. You simply cannot enjoy the gaming scene with ONLY a PC. I love my mother-fucking PC to death, I just got a badass Opteron for it yesterday, but as a true mother fucking gamer, I would be doing a disservice to my self if I didn't own a mother fucking console to play those other games on.

What kind of comment is that anyway Borys? Serisously that's shit wrong.
Simple. The only genres the console market presently excels at, are ones I couldn't possibly give less of a shit about. Platformers? No thanks. JRPGS? Shouldn't even be called RPGs.

The Great Gatsby
11-17-2006, 08:43 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!

Sound like you just suck at the controls my friend. I have no problem with any aspect of the controls. In fact, the controls are pretty damn fine and easy for a game of this nature.

Bone
11-17-2006, 08:46 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.

... (SPEW)...

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.
What is stupid is not bothering to learn how to play the game. I had a friend bring it over and I've played for a total of two days, and already I know how ignorant you are of this game's control system.

If you're taking cover properly, your enemy won't know where to fire. When you pop up, you should be able to hit him and hide again. Again, it would only require you learn the controls.

But your attitude reminds me of Ned's Beatnik mother in the Simpsons: "We've tried nothin', and we're all out of ideas!"

Grave
11-17-2006, 09:12 AM
Super Smash Brothers blows if you try and play it on a computer, especially if you buy 4 computer control pads.

but wait lets not nickle and dime what games are good and bad for computer lets just make sweeping generalization.

OLOL I NO LIKE GAME SO IT MUST SUCK ON TEH CONSOLE, LIKE PC? YOU ARE WINNER!

Bugsplatter
11-17-2006, 09:18 AM
Well, I can see Gears of War is already shaping up to be the next Halo in the most important respect.

Firing with the right trigger is artificially accuracy limited. A guy can be five feet in front of your point of cover and you'll still miss, and rightly so damn near, considering the idiot is just firing blindly. The alternative, the left trigger, is equally as artifical, in the sense that you will AUTOMATICALLY be hit the second you pop your head out, though again, this is almost rightly so anyway considering the this supposedly highly trained commando stands almost straight up to aim.

Seriously, how the fuck to you make a game like this, and get that so wrong? Cliffy's never seen so much a simple stock photo of a soldier firing from cover?

Fuck even B-movie shit like Space: Above and Beyond managed to get it right. Gun rested on surface of cover, head just over the sight.

Instead you get the guy either spraying wildly without even looking at your target, or standing straight up in the middle of a firefight.

Fuckin' stupid.

If you followed development of the game at all then you would know they worked hard to keep the game from being boring because it is.. well.. A GAME. In it's original builds it was kind of a dry game of whack-a-mole. The ways it varies from reality is to that end.

Bugsplatter
11-17-2006, 09:23 AM
[QUOTE=J Arcane]
That it's paired then with horribly repetitve gameplay, and some of the most awful character art ever to grace a supposedly AAA title, is just a bonus I guess.

QUOTE]


ok, before i go looking for the ignore function i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to assume character art is some sort of out of game, boxcover thing because you can't possibly be talking about anything that appears on the screen. No one is that deranged.

Bugsplatter
11-17-2006, 09:25 AM
Wrong. You simply cannot enjoy the gaming scene with ONLY a PC. I love my mother-fucking PC to death, I just got a badass Opteron for it yesterday, but as a true mother fucking gamer, I would be doing a disservice to my self if I didn't own a mother fucking console to play those other games on.

What kind of comment is that anyway Borys? Serisously that's shit wrong.


Adam, you must be new

Borys is a disillusioned PC gamer, bitter at consoles for 'destroying' his platform of choice.

Just a little background for you.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 09:28 AM
ok, before i go looking for the ignore function i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to assume character art is some sort of out of game, boxcover thing because you can't possibly be talking about anything that appears on the screen. No one is that deranged.

I'm talking about character art and model design so utterly ridiculous it makes Warhammer 40k look like a RL photograph. It's godawful, Rob Liefield level shit.

Not to mention how much of the "detail" on the models is the same "take a picture of a better model and use it as the texture" shit games have been using for years now.

Beelzebud
11-17-2006, 09:32 AM
I hope it's true. I have to admit it really bugs me that PC gamers still have not seen any good use of the new Unreal engine.

Epic: Come back to your roots!

CPaladino
11-17-2006, 09:41 AM
Before the thread gets COMPLETELY out of control - I want to point out that the guy who created the image (it's a sample of what retail would look like - not an actual retail shot) had a "visual typo", and this is NOT confirmation that we're releasing Gears for the PC.

Bone
11-17-2006, 09:52 AM
Not to mention how much of the "detail" on the models is the same "take a picture of a better model and use it as the texture" shit games have been using for years now.
I'll ignore your subjective opinion on the character design, but if you don't understand that this method of texturing is part of the next generation of character modeling, you will be sorely disappointed with most games.

You make two models, a high res and a low(er) res, then project the high-res texture on the low res model.

I don't expect you to really understand, or care, because you seem to be more interested in baseless attacks on what is actually an amazing game. And I'm no 360 fanboy... I don't own one, and never even considered buying one until this system-selling game was brought to my house.

dena miscreant
11-17-2006, 10:04 AM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!


I'm gonna go ahead and skip everything, but this comment.

How do you think you should be able to aim, J?

Is there any other way to aim when in a firefight than to get in the line of fire to do so?

:rolleyes:

Reznoriam
11-17-2006, 10:09 AM
Are people really that stupid?

Read your fucking manual, it specifically states that the inspiration for gears of war is PAINTBALL.

If you have played paintball on any kind of competitive level you understand that this game plays and feels JUST like paintball.

Blind fire to make someone feel like you are shooting at them so they stay in cover, make your move etc etc. or pop out and get some accurate hits. Teamates sneak around the side or people charge down field.

THIS IS NOT FUCKING URBAN COMBAT.

Y'know I didn't even think about it being like paintball until you said something. Now that you pointed it out it's fairly obvious. It's like a speedball court with bug aliens. Love this game, seriously.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 10:18 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and skip everything, but this comment.

How do you think you should be able to aim, J?

Is there any other way to aim when in a firefight than to get in the line of fire to do so?

:rolleyes:
Yay for more false dichotomies! This is what, the third one I've seen so far in this thread?

There's a difference between moving enough of yourself out of cover to be able to aim your weapon, and standing straight up in the middle of a goddamn firefight.

A middle ground, if you will. Gears of War ignores said ground entirely.

And of course, I addressed this fact once already in the damn thread, which you would know if you'd read the fucking thing before responding to it.

Bugsplatter
11-17-2006, 10:33 AM
Yay for more false dichotomies! This is what, the third one I've seen so far in this thread?

There's a difference between moving enough of yourself out of cover to be able to aim your weapon, and standing straight up in the middle of a goddamn firefight.

A middle ground, if you will. Gears of War ignores said ground entirely.

And of course, I addressed this fact once already in the damn thread, which you would know if you'd read the fucking thing before responding to it.

Personally, i've never seen a 23rd century commando fight, so i'm not sure what standard tactics for them are but i'll take your expert opinion and run with it.

THEY DON'T WEAR HELMETS

and your concerned about them propping their heavily armored elbow on top of their cover to fire rather than just sticking their (unprotected) head out????

Yes, there is A LOT of 40k inspired imagery(sp?). I noticed that as well. Marcus just needs a beard and he's a Space Wolf. It.Is.A.Game.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 10:43 AM
Personally, i've never seen a 23rd century commando fight, so i'm not sure what standard tactics for them are but i'll take your expert opinion and run with it.

Basic fire combat tactics haven't changed in almost a hundred years, and there's nothing present in the GOW world that suggests they should've abandoned all common sense in the future.

It's still a guy, with a gun, trying to shoot you before you shoot him.

Only in GOW world, everyone's a damn retard apparently, and likes leaping straight into barrages of machine gun fire.

and if it's supposed to be unrealistic, then why bother with the pretense that is the utter abortion that is it's attempt at tactical gameplay?

We're brought to another one of the false dichotomies in this thread. I'd frankly rather play a game with no attempt at tactical depth at all like Doom, rather than one that does an utterly botched job of tactics like GOW does.

dena miscreant
11-17-2006, 10:47 AM
Basic fire combat tactics haven't changed in almost a hundred years, and there's nothing present in the GOW world that suggests they should've abandoned all common sense in the future.

It's still a guy, with a gun, trying to shoot you before you shoot him.

Only in GOW world, everyone's a damn retard apparently, and likes leaping straight into barrages of machine gun fire.

If you go to low cover or the side of cover. You can peek out and aim. There's your middle ground. At any time while firing, you can let go of L to go back under cover. If you press A without any direction, then hold the left trigger, you will stand there. Unless you chose to go back in cover or dive around.

I don't see how this could possibly be any worse than any other game imaginable. I think it works far better than any game I can think of.

I've no idea what issue you are complaining about.

Yes, I've still not read anything else in this thread.

Grave
11-17-2006, 10:48 AM
Y'know I didn't even think about it being like paintball until you said something. Now that you pointed it out it's fairly obvious. It's like a speedball court with bug aliens. Love this game, seriously.

Just wait until you make a run across the map and shotgun the sniper in the back. Then you'll really get the speedball paintball feeling.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 10:49 AM
Yes, I've still not read anything else in this thread.

Then I shall give you the same amount of respect, by discontinuing the reading of your posts.

Rirath
11-17-2006, 10:54 AM
I thought I heard that this was coming to PC, already. If it does, I will pick it up for PC, too. Imagine Gears of War, with the precision of a PC keyboard/mouse... my god, it would be a thing of beauty! :-)

Even better, there's a 3rd party keyboard / mouse adapter being made right now for the 360. Soon, you may well have the precision of the keyboard/mouse with the processing power of your 360.

And J Arcane, you post some flamebait like that on the front page, and you really shouldn't be surprised at the responses. I honestly don't know why it was even kept. I think this "happy middle ground" you're looking for is, again, completely ignoring the fact it's a game.

Thenetcase
11-17-2006, 11:09 AM
Wow, I think that the commenter of that news article should be forced to stand up during a firefight over the Playstation 3... Just to see what happens.

-TNC-

RudyPoo
11-17-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm not even sure how to respond, but I *do* feel for you - this game is getting critical acclaim, selling lots of units, and the other devs/publishers are paying attention.

I's going to suck for you when many new games start moving into a cover based fighting system as opposed to the established 'run and gun'.

Most of us, however, can appreciate the change.

-R

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 11:23 AM
I'm not even sure how to respond, but I *do* feel for you - this game is getting critical acclaim, selling lots of units, and the other devs/publishers are paying attention.

I's going to suck for you when many new games start moving into a cover based fighting system as opposed to the established 'run and gun'.

Most of us, however, can appreciate the change.

-R
I really like Full Spectrum Warrior. And Rainbow Six 3 is one of my favorite games of all time.

Steele Johnson
11-17-2006, 12:26 PM
I wonder if they'll clean up the horrid controls in the PC version. Yay for not being able to aim without standing straight up in the middle of a fire fight!


Spoken like a true pc-only gamer. n00bb!

I remember when pc gamers used to call console ports as "dumbed-down", but now it seems that you pc gamers need a dumbed-down for pc port. ;P

Talanvor
11-17-2006, 12:43 PM
I like the controls. I am, and probably always will be, a run and gun kind of player. But this is a nice mix between the hyper-frantic UT style of gameplay and the more slow, methodical style where you use cover and have to plan your every move.

Is it perfect? Maybe not, but then again I haven't beaten the single player game yet and haven't gone on Live with it. I don't want to get completely owned and I normally play the single player side first anyway before I go multi.

Still, I'm digging the hell out of GoW.

mos
11-17-2006, 12:58 PM
I remember about six months ago there was a thread that had degenerated into a mild "PC vs. Console" flamewar.

One of the final responses was "Good luck playing Gears of War on a PC!"

...

:)

er, not that I want to start another flamewar

H.Bogard
11-17-2006, 02:17 PM
Spoken like a true pc-only gamer. n00bb!

I remember when pc gamers used to call console ports as "dumbed-down", but now it seems that you pc gamers need a dumbed-down for pc port. ;P

Fanboy of the day, ladies and gentlemen!

Hemalin
11-17-2006, 02:35 PM
Remember when Kelegacy complained about the italics all the time? I think I agree with him. Perhaps we can go to the more civil discussion over here. (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20969)

Johan
11-17-2006, 02:42 PM
Well, this has been a great read. Really. I mean it.

*convinces nobody*

Since there's been so much anti-Sony trolling today, how about some balance in the "Force" here:

Why would anybody be surprised that GoW would move to the PC? Don't nearly all 360 games end up on PC as well, either at launch or shortly thereafter? (so what's the use of a 360?)...

well...that's just a drop of anti-MS in a deluge of anti-Sony, so Sony loses...

KingGorilla
11-17-2006, 03:06 PM
Spoken like a true pc-only gamer. n00bb!

I remember when pc gamers used to call console ports as "dumbed-down", but now it seems that you pc gamers need a dumbed-down for pc port. ;P
Enjoy Crysis on your 360...OH WAIT! Supreme Commander...Damn, Company of Her- No.

I am totally bummed I cannot get that fantastic, inovative, totally not ripping off anything I have played before, shooter on the PC. I will just have to stifle my Tears with Fear Extraction Point, Company of Heroes...and maybe Crysis if I have the energy to go on with my life. Don't worry about me. But check back come January when you are bored of Gears of War and have to wait until April for your next offering. Unless you are really digging that pac-man trail of gas tanks.

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 03:06 PM
Well, this has been a great read. Really. I mean it.

*convinces nobody*

Since there's been so much anti-Sony trolling today, how about some balance in the "Force" here:

Why would anybody be surprised that GoW would move to the PC? Don't nearly all 360 games end up on PC as well, either at launch or shortly thereafter? (so what's the use of a 360?)...

well...that's just a drop of anti-MS in a deluge of anti-Sony, so Sony loses...
Well, in all fairness, and I speak as a big fan of the original Xbox, a rather large portion of the Xbox "exclusives" wound up on PC eventually. Halo, Fable, KOTOR, soon to be Jade Empire, just to name a few. And a lot of the other favorites of mine were PC ports to begin with.

Mind you, I haven't seen this yet shape up to be the case on the 360, and I doubt any of the JRPGs like Lost Odyssey will do so.

Squidbot
11-17-2006, 05:56 PM
Hooray! Another "J Arcane hates consoles" thread. /popcorn

J Arcane
11-17-2006, 06:16 PM
Hooray! Another "J Arcane hates consoles" thread. /popcorn
Your timing is impeccable. Read the post above yours, particularly the part where I said: and I speak as a big fan of the original XboxI was a HUGE Xbox 1 fanboy, and if I had to pick a new-gen machine, the 360 would win hands down. But the cost and the lack of interesting software titles has led me to pass.

51|RandoM
11-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Spoken like a true pc-only gamer. n00bb!

I remember when pc gamers used to call console ports as "dumbed-down", but now it seems that you pc gamers need a dumbed-down for pc port. ;P

Giving us crouch and jump would actually be smartening up, not dumbing down. People who cut their teeth on PC FPS don't need a magic a-button that does everything for them.

We don't need autoaim either.

Nor do we need to worry about shitty peer to peer network models.

:p

KingGorilla
11-17-2006, 08:53 PM
Woah, woah, woah...several buttons? You sir have blown my mind.

Shifteh
11-17-2006, 09:30 PM
Does it have auto-aim? That seems to be the way of things with Console shooters. If this does come to the PC, please remove the auto-aim ;)

Spoken like a true pc-only gamer. n00bb!

I remember when pc gamers used to call console ports as "dumbed-down", but now it seems that you pc gamers need a dumbed-down for pc port. ;P
Find me a Console shooter that can have all of the following commands (I'll use F.E.A.R.):
Forward, Back, Left, Right (strafe), Aim, Reload, Use (open doors, etc), Use (healthpack, etc), throw grenade, change grenade, change weapon (quickswitch to last), change weapon (scroll up and down), Crouch, Walk, Lean (Left, Right), Slow-motion, Drop Weapon, Flashlight, Zoom, alt-fire, Melee attack, Choose weapon (Ie. 1 for pistol, 2 for submachine gun, 3 for shotgun, etc), Drop Weapon, Talk, Team-Say, and Team-Radio.

I appreciate that some people enjoy console shooters more, but PC more 'dumbed down'? Come on.

Hugo miniBoss
11-19-2006, 04:53 AM
Umm, F.E.A.R. for the 360? Actually i think Halo has all of those features execpt for the lean left and right.

jamaicanrage
11-19-2006, 05:06 AM
Umm, F.E.A.R. for the 360? Actually i think Halo has all of those features execpt for the lean left and right.
dammit, you beat me to it!

madprofessor
11-20-2006, 04:14 AM
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't come to PC.

Hopefully the PC version will allow for created content, more multiplayer maps and maybe some multiplayer with more than 4 people. (More RAM, etc.)
Agreed. I say Gears of War for PC is a sure thing. Microsoft needs that for Vista. Epic wants that for extra $$$.