Microsoft confirms plan to deliver 10 million Xbox 360s [Archive]

Oddmaker

11-07-2006, 02:18 PM

Microsoft confirmed (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4316546.html) today that they are going to ship 10 Million Xbox 360's by the end of 2006.

Microsoft Corp. Tuesday confirmed its forecast for shipments of Xbox 360 video game consoles and said its ability to convert occasional online gamers into console users would be key to growth.

Peter Moore, vice president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division which oversees Xbox, confirmed the company's expectation that Xbox 360 shipments would reach 10 million by the end of 2006, and 13 million to 15 million by the end of its 2007 fiscal year.

The software company's fiscal year ends June 30, 2007.Read more over at chron.com (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4316546.html).

Stryfe01

11-07-2006, 03:13 PM

guess i'm one of em that bought...

soco

11-07-2006, 03:16 PM

shipping 10 million is super and all, but how about the sales? can GoW and Viva Pinata really drive that many sales?

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 03:19 PM

What? I thought they only sold around 6 mil so far. Does anyone have any up to date sales numbers? Is this even feasible?

Johan

11-07-2006, 03:20 PM

Are they counting the four million that have been returned, refurbished, and shipped back out!?! ;)

*Hyperbole (with a point) FTW!* :)

Oddmaker

11-07-2006, 03:23 PM

Are they counting the four million that have been returned, refurbished, and shipped back out!?! ;)

*Hyperbole (with a point) FTW!* :)Will be the same for the PS3 ;)

Citizen Philip

11-07-2006, 03:24 PM

I guess you are free to ship as much of anything you like, provided you have a warehouse to allow them to wait to be sold, in?

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 03:25 PM

shipping 10 million is super and all, but how about the sales? can GoW and Viva Pinata really drive that many sales?

Considering that of the three "Next Generation" systems on the market that the Xbox 360 will be the only one on store shelves during the holiday shopping season, I don't imagine they will have any problems selling pretty much every unit that they can ship between now and the end of the year.

You mix up "Only system available." with "Hot new games." and that is a recipe for success.

QueeG-Servo

11-07-2006, 03:27 PM

And what I've experienced so far today with Gears of War multiplayer, It alone should move consoles.

soco

11-07-2006, 03:30 PM

You mix up "Only system available." with "Hot new games." and that is a recipe for success.

sure i don't doubt that it'll sell a lot , but the latest sales figures i've seen place it at 6 million worldwide until the end of august or september, and 4 million is a hefty figure for 3 months. i'm sure with next years lineup they'll have no problems reaching it really early next year, if they miss it, but confirming 10 million shipped seems a bit silly to me. maybe its just me.

Zanzibar

11-07-2006, 03:33 PM

sure i don't doubt that it'll sell a lot , but the latest sales figures i've seen place it at 6 million worldwide until the end of august or september, and 4 million is a hefty figure for 3 months. i'm sure with next years lineup they'll have no problems reaching it really early next year, if they miss it, but confirming 10 million shipped seems a bit silly to me. maybe its just me.
4 mil hefty figure for 3 months, eh?

Watch the Wii sales numbers.

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 03:33 PM

Considering that of the three "Next Generation" systems on the market that the Xbox 360 will be the only one on store shelves during the holiday shopping season, I don't imagine they will have any problems selling pretty much every unit that they can ship between now and the end of the year.

You mix up "Only system available." with "Hot new games." and that is a recipe for success.
Except according to all reports, except your hunch that is, there will be plenty of Wiis on the shelf as well.

Meatgortex

11-07-2006, 03:34 PM

For some perspective, before this blows up into another sold vs. shipped argument.

The PS2 tended to sell (not ship) around 400k a month in North America. But during Nov/Dec it would sell 3m units in NA in just two months. This was the case for each year after the first one. The 360 is selling (not shipping) closer to 300k, but it should be able to expect a similar bump. Keep in mind this is NA numbers only and that the bump in the EU should be bigger since the PS3 isn't going to be there.

That doesn't mean that there will be 10m consoles in people houses worldwide, but I can certainly see stores having purchased 10m consoles for their shelves. The 13-15m by June will be tougher as it's going to require them to get the off month numbers up.

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 03:38 PM

soco

11-07-2006, 03:52 PM

4 mil hefty figure for 3 months, eh?

Watch the Wii sales numbers.

i thought it was obvious that this was the 360 we were talking about.

the Wii and PS3 are at a launch, if both consoles have 4 million consoles, they can do it -- especially the Wii, since it's significantly cheaper. the diehards have already bought a 360, and now the software is what's got to sell the system. i think the catalog is rather strong, but people whine on here every day about how there's been 'no good games' this year on the 360.

MS has been hyping this 10 million number all year, and i know they can't really cut the predictions, as that would make it look like they've lost hope in the system or some such shit. without a price cut, i think it's gonna be difficult to move 4 million units, with 2 other brand new consoles moving right next to it, especially when it's up against a Zelda.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 04:08 PM

Except according to all reports, except your hunch that is, there will be plenty of Wiis on the shelf as well.

Which reports are those? The one from Nintendo saying that they will have 2 Million systems on store shelves between the system launch and the end of December?

Lets just say that Nintendo is 100% on the mark. That works out to be about 800,000 systems on launch day and other 1.2 Million during December - WORLDWIDE. That is still only a handfull of systems here in the USA. (Probably, still only the original 400,000 would be my guess.)

If there are as many Nintendo fans as there seems to be... that still means that the system will be sold out on launch day and every shipment will sell out in minutes.

It still doesn't equate to people finding the system sitting on the shelf when they go to the store.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 04:11 PM

i think it's gonna be difficult to move 4 million units, with 2 other brand new consoles moving right next to it, especially when it's up against a Zelda.

Right next to what? Just watch. The ONLY system that will be on the shelves is the Xbox 360.

(Not including older systems like the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube or handhelds.)

If you want to see all three systems sitting on the shelf next to each other, you will be looking at sometime in March 2007.

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 04:15 PM

Which reports are those? The one from Nintendo saying that they will have 2 Million systems on store shelves between the system launch and the end of December?
Actually, they said 4 million, so I think they will hit 2 million pretty easily. While it could still very easilly sell out, that is still a great deal of units on the market, and there is a good chance that they will not all sell out immediately.

Ozymandias

11-07-2006, 04:18 PM

What? I thought they only sold around 6 mil so far. Does anyone have any up to date sales numbers? Is this even feasible?

You have to remember holiday is something like 40-50% of the business... insane, I know, but that's also why we so many games being targeted for Thanksgiving release - to take advantage of those sales.

Full disclosure - yes, I work at Xbox. But the holiday uptick is real - has been for decades, and I personally believe 10 million might be slightly low. Take it for what it's worth.

The bigger argument is whether a 10M unit lead on the competition matters, and I'll leave that to history to determine. :)

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 04:20 PM

Actually, they said 4 million, so I think they will hit 2 million pretty easily. While it could still very easilly sell out, that is still a great deal of units on the market, and there is a good chance that they will not all sell out immediately.

Ok. 4 Million is a huge number. It is a number I personally think is complete and total crap, but if they really shipped 4 Million systems IN ONE MONTH then there would be a lot of systems on the shelves.

Given that this is a task that no company has ever accomplished for a system launch, I'm willing to watch and see what happens.

I guess that means no one needs to pre-order, right? ;)

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 04:22 PM

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 04:23 PM

I guess that means no one needs to pre-order, right? ;)
Well, I didn't. I guess we will see if I am able to get one.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 04:25 PM

Well, I didn't. I guess we will see if I am able to get one.

I just wish Sony had shipped that many systems. I kind of wanted to check out Resistance. I guess I can wait till March.

Ozymandias

11-07-2006, 04:28 PM

I realize that there is a holiday sales rush, but do you honestly expect to make 67% of the sales you made in a year (including the last holiday rush) in a couple of months? Especially seeing that you now finally have competition?

I honestly believe we'll hit 10 million - yes. Remember, MS is a public company and is very careful about making statements like this as it can have a very real financial impact.

I'm not discounting competition. But as has been said on this thread earlier (think Evil Avatar put it best), there's no way in hell you'll find PS3s or Wiis on shelf easily this holiday. They'll sell everything they can, but it'll be very similar to Xbox 360 last holiday - lots of people will be dissappointed. And people will buy something to put under the tree.

Funny thing is you don't need to believe me - just go look at history. The holiday sales spike is very, very real in the game industry which is why everything turns around it. Historical facts tend to be pretty good predictors. :)

cp#

11-07-2006, 04:31 PM

The 360 will do very well this holiday season, especially with no PS3's really around. The Wii will do even better though I am sensing.

Kelegacy

11-07-2006, 04:33 PM

What? I thought they only sold around 6 mil so far. Does anyone have any up to date sales numbers? Is this even feasible?
Shipped, not sold.

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 04:33 PM

I honestly believe we'll hit 10 million - yes. Remember, MS is a public company and is very careful about making statements like this as it can have a very real financial impact.

I'm not discounting competition. But as has been said on this thread earlier (think Evil Avatar put it best), there's no way in hell you'll find PS3s or Wiis on shelf easily this holiday. They'll sell everything they can, but it'll be very similar to Xbox 360 last holiday - lots of people will be dissappointed. And people will buy something to put under the tree.

Funny thing is you don't need to believe me - just go look at history. The holiday sales spike is very, very real in the game industry which is why everything turns around it. Historical facts tend to be pretty good predictors. :)
Again, I believe in the spike, just not that it is that big. Can you confirm on the number currently sold? Is it around 6 mil?

KingGorilla

11-07-2006, 04:34 PM

OK...jackass-warning here. More MS plans pushed back 6 months? Wasn't 10 mil the goal for this past summer?

Kelegacy

11-07-2006, 04:34 PM

I just wish Sony had shipped that many systems. I kind of wanted to check out Resistance. I guess I can wait till March.
I'll sell you my PS3 for a good deal. In fact, I'll give a discount to any EvAver, but of course I have to charge more than I pay for it....

Rafer

11-07-2006, 04:35 PM

Full disclosure - yes, I work at Xbox. But the holiday uptick is real - has been for decades, and I personally believe 10 million might be slightly low. Take it for what it's worth.

Here's a chart (http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11067) showing monthly sales for the PS2/XBOX/GC/360 and the holiday "uptick". December is a huge spike for console sales and the chart should give you an idea of how big. Note that I think that September had a fifth week this year so the numbers for that month are a little inflated?

easi

11-07-2006, 04:36 PM

Considering they only just hit their original 'launch window' estimate, I very much doubt this 10mil figure.

The wii, however, is a piece of piss to manufacture, both in cost and mats and has been in production since June so I believe any figure N quote.

Achilles

11-07-2006, 04:41 PM

OK...jackass-warning here. More MS plans pushed back 6 months? Wasn't 10 mil the goal for this past summer?I don't think that was ever the case. They've been claiming for a while though that they'd be at 10 mil by the end of the year. Or at least that it was very important that they be at 10 mil by the end of the year.

I think they'll make that mark pretty easily.

Franjo

11-07-2006, 04:42 PM

I just think the 360 will have such a dominating coming year, especially the xmas season. A lot of great games have come out for it in the 1st year alone...just wait until we see 2nd and 3rd efforts from some developers. GRAW2 I'm sure will be amazing, just look at the latest Rainbow Six game and how thats evolving. Forza 2 is looking unreal, Gears of War, Halo 3, and the list goes on.

It was a major advantage having it out a year before PS3.

JimmyDanger

11-07-2006, 04:46 PM

You have to remember holiday is something like 40-50% of the business... insane, I know, but that's also why we so many games being targeted for Thanksgiving release - to take advantage of those sales.

Full disclosure - yes, I work at Xbox. But the holiday uptick is real - has been for decades, and I personally believe 10 million might be slightly low. Take it for what it's worth.

The bigger argument is whether a 10M unit lead on the competition matters, and I'll leave that to history to determine. :)

History seems to prove it does.

Interesting too to look at PS2 sales figures - (I posted some in a thread a while ago) - and see that mass adoption (and 10 million) didn't start until the hit the magic $200. I'll go find those figures. I suppose it's always hard to tell exactly what Little Billy and mom/dad, Joe Sixpack and Xtreem Zack are thinking.

Ozy - all I know if PES6 was a little more complete (edit modes/a couple of stadiums/improved online) - there would not be a single unit left in Europe..
Sabotage by Konami? Seabass? Chance of a patch?

Anyways - I think a good public/media response to GOW, a few more appealing budget/classic titles for cash conscious parents and late adopters, and maybe even a small price drop/package deal - and those white puppies'd be out the gates even faster.

I'ma find those PS2 figures again...

JimmyDanger

11-07-2006, 04:52 PM

Here we go...

# US$299.99 (October 26, 2000, Launch Price) (CAD$449.99)
# US$199.99 (May 14, 2002) (CAD$299.99)

And following are Sony's official (shipped not sold) figures...
from http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html

2000/03/06 720,000 units (Japan only)
2000/03/15 1 million units (Japan only)
2000/03/31 1.41 million units (Japan only)
2000/05/24 2 million units (Japan only)
2000/06/30 2.54 million units (Japan only)
2000/08/01 3 million units (Japan only)
2000/09/30 3.52 million units (Japan only)
2000/12/31 6.4 million units (Japan: 3.94 million/ USA: 1.46 million/ Europe: 1.0 million)
2001/03/23 10.04 million units (Japan: 4.65 million/ USA: 2.76 million/ Europe: 2.63 million)
2001/03/31 10.61 million units (Japan: 4.75 million/ USA: 3.01 million/ Europe: 2.85 million)
2001/06/30 14.95 million units (Japan: 5.94 million/ USA: 5.15 million/ Europe: 3.86 million)
2001/09/30 19.57 million units (Japan: 6.85 million/ USA: 8.24 million/ Europe: 4.48 million)
2001/10/10 20.04 million units (Japan: 6.86 million/ USA: 8.55 million/ Europe: 4.63 million)
2001/12/31 24.99 million units (Japan: 8.30 million/ USA: 9.87 million/ Europe: 6.82 million)
2002/01/31 26.33 million units (Japan: 8.95 million/ USA: 10.05 million/ Europe: 7.33 million)
2002/03/31 28.68 million units (Japan: 9.65 million/ USA: 10.59 million/ Europe: 8.44 million)
2002/05/05 30.02 million units (Japan: 9.99 million/ USA: 11.25 million/ Europe: 8.78 million)
2002/06/30 33.27 million units (Japan: 10.16 million/ USA: 13.67 million/ Europe: 9.44 million)
2002/09/17 40.04 million units (Japan: 10.97 million/ USA: 17.01 million/ Europe: 12.06 million)

Notice they shipped 1.5 million in the US between 10october and 31st jan 01 - and 2.4 million in the one month period after the $200 pricepoint was reached...
Guess there's just a lot of casual/nongamers who just pick up anything if the price is justifiable - even if they only plan to buy 1 or 2 games...

51|RandoM

11-07-2006, 05:22 PM

Except according to all reports, except your hunch that is, there will be plenty of Wiis on the shelf as well.

He always has to roll out the Nintendo hate, they never throw him a bone, unlike MS.

There will be plenty of Wii to go around and they should sell more consoles than MS does this holiday season, easily.

Hint for Evil: After they made the first million for release, they didn't shut down the assembly lines and say come back next year.

Kelegacy

11-07-2006, 05:41 PM

He always has to roll out the Nintendo hate, they never throw him a bone, unlike MS.

Haha, you might speak the truth. Hinting that MS gets the top tier here because they toss free things? Then obviously it pays to give free junk away to people...

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 06:05 PM

Haha, you might speak the truth. Hinting that MS gets the top tier here because they toss free things? Then obviously it pays to give free junk away to people...
Especially since he has previously stated that the reason he doesn't think Nintendo won't hit their numbers is because they would not give him a free Wii...

ECM

11-07-2006, 06:40 PM

Hint for Evil: After they made the first million for release, they didn't shut down the assembly lines and say come back next year.

You mean the Chinese don't get the fourth quarter off? Who knew ;)

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 06:43 PM

Hint for Evil: After they made the first million for release, they didn't shut down the assembly lines and say come back next year.

Who said they ever hit the first million? They certainly never announced any such thing. All they have announced is that they will have "more" on the shelves than what they first said and they never said how many they would have in the first place... but, we knew it wouldn't be many since they predicted the same 6 Million in 6 months as Sony.

So, in August they planned to have 6 Million units in 6 months then in October they planned to have 4 Million units in 1 month? That is a hell of a difference. See why I call foul?

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 06:45 PM

Especially since he has previously stated that the reason he doesn't think Nintendo won't hit their numbers is because they would not give him a free Wii...

http://www.evilavatar.com/images/thumbs/arnold_stfu.jpg

Well, that is a fucking lie and one that will get you banned for repeating. If you think I'm going to put up with that kind of crap, you came to the wrong place.

I said that our Nintendo representative threw a hissy fit when I asked for a free system for the page. That isn't the same thing at all.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 06:50 PM

I'll sell you my PS3 for a good deal. In fact, I'll give a discount to any EvAver, but of course I have to charge more than I pay for it....

More than the $600.00 retail? No thanks. I can wait a good long while to pick one up. I'll probably do what I did with the PS2 and wait until after the first two price drops. I'll miss a few good games, but not many these days since almost everything is multiplatform.

Heck, I'm not even going to miss the new Zelda, I'm just not stuck playing it with some Harry Potter wand like the new kids on the block.

thecrazyd

11-07-2006, 06:55 PM

Well, that is a fucking lie and one that will get you banned for repeating. If you think I'm going to put up with that kind of crap, you came to the wrong place.

I said that our Nintendo representative threw a hissy fit when I asked for a free system for the page. That isn't the same thing at all.
My apologies. I thought it was the fact that they didn't give you one that caused you to think that. I guess I misread your post.

Deadend

11-07-2006, 06:56 PM

I think the Xbox 360 will sell quite well soon. As I know some people were waiting to see what the PS3 and Wii would be like before they pick. If it turns out the PS3 and Wii do not live up to the hype, the 360 will be picking up slack in sales.

Kelegacy

11-07-2006, 07:07 PM

My apologies. I thought it was the fact that they didn't give you one that caused you to think that. I guess I misread your post.
Haha, you just got owned. Backing down like an altar boy when Father Johnson tells you to be quiet about what happened last night in the confessional.

Pumped'Up

11-07-2006, 07:45 PM

I'll buy one if the premium bundle includes the hd-dvd drive for free. Otherwise, the price is a total rip-off. With the PS3 and Wii coming out soon, Microsoft will definitely have a hard time moving those 10 million units.

Schnoogs

11-07-2006, 08:02 PM

Otherwise, the price is a total rip-off.

Where as the $600 PS3 is a steal :confused:

Rip off or not at least I can afford the 360 without having to sell my last kidney.

IrishWhiskey

11-07-2006, 08:08 PM

Posted by EvilAvatar
Well, that is a fucking lie and one that will get you banned for repeating. If you think I'm going to put up with that kind of crap, you came to the wrong place.

Damn dude. Chill.

Every day on this board people misattribute motives and statements to others, often in venomous and personal ways. Most people know enough to correct misstatements and not get angry over internet discussions. Especially not about console wars.

I think you overreacted, and now made people afraid that if they criticize you, they will get banned. Heck if you want to ban me for this, go ahead. Any forum where you cant poke fun at the moderators immediately loses its appeal. thecrazyd seemed joshing rather than vicious, and it definately wouldn't raise an eyebrow compared to some of our more famous and cherished forum trolls.

The power of the mighty banhammer should be used for good. Not Evil. (Hey, that works on two levels!)

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 08:19 PM

My apologies. I thought it was the fact that they didn't give you one that caused you to think that. I guess I misread your post.

You misread the intent, that is for sure.

Nintendo sent out a Press Release saying that they were going to ship 6 Million units between the system launch and March 2007. We got a similar Press Release from Sony - 6 Million units between the system launch and March 2007.

Everyone had been saying that this meant severe system shortages for the Playstation 3. Thinking it meant severe system shortages for the Wii as well, I replied to the PR girl saying something like, "Since it sounds like there will be severe system shortages of the Wii at launch, could you provide us with a review system so we don't have to hunt one down on the shelves?"

Then, this bitch blew her top and sent me a couple of nasty E-mails and took us off her Press List. The way she totally freaked out and got all nasty over what I thought was a pretty legitimate concern certainly does give me the impression that they are going to be severly short of systems during the system launch.

Also note that about a month after this all happened was when Nintendo suddenly "found" more systems and started pushing Press Releases out with HUGE numbers for the system launch.

I don't hate Nintendo because we aren't getting a free system - I wouldn't keep the system anyway I would send it to fitbabits or Everlost or bapenguin since I know I wouldn't play it.

I got a free Gamecube and it didn't keep me from pointing out that Nintendo couldn't release a game on time to save their system.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 08:22 PM

I think you overreacted, and now made people afraid that if they criticize you, they will get banned. Heck if you want to ban me for this, go ahead. Any forum where you cant poke fun at the moderators immediately loses its appeal. thecrazyd seemed joshing rather than vicious, and it definately wouldn't raise an eyebrow compared to some of our more famous and cherished forum trolls.

If people start posting nasty shit that isn't true just to piss me off, they will get banned. It is still my page and I'm not going to put up with that kind of crap.

Opty

11-07-2006, 10:04 PM

mikeohara

11-07-2006, 10:16 PM

Reggie says 4 million at launch (http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6133432.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news) but I guess that's claptrap.

Also Evil: if you can't take the heat, then get out the kitchen. Being a whiny baby when someone calls you out on something (Shut up or I'm kicking you out of my house!!!) rather than correcting them civilly says a lot about you.

you may say that ... but he's above all of us and can remove your posting privledges as he can any of us at any time for the slightest thing that upsets him ...

Now onto your point ... it'd be very nice if the sales of the 360 reach 10 million units worldwide (and the fact that I have helped in that by purchasing a 360 and signing up for XBL today) helps push that ... if it happens, that's great ... if not, they've at the very least made a better effort than with the first XBox.

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 10:48 PM

Also Evil: if you can't take the heat, then get out the kitchen. Being a whiny baby when someone calls you out on something (Shut up or I'm kicking you out of my house!!!) rather than correcting them civilly says a lot about you.

It is my kitchen. You can dig it, or you can fuck off.

Schnoogs

11-07-2006, 10:52 PM

I guess some people think its a coincidence that Evils name is the same as the site...thats until the ban hammer shows up. ;)

Evil Avatar

11-07-2006, 11:10 PM

I guess some people think its a coincidence that Evils name is the same as the site...thats until the ban hammer shows up. ;)

QFT.

And I didn't threaten to ban anyone for bashing on me, I threatened to ban someone for lying about something I had said. If you can't take the time to go back and find the old post and quote it, then I don't recommend you try to use it to discredit me.

Vandenh

11-07-2006, 11:45 PM

Hitting 10 should be very do able. If you compare sales curvesof the original XBox. They sold about 3 million worldwide during the "xmas months".

It really looks like GoW will have the Halo effect... this game will get noticed by the casuals.

Nimos

11-08-2006, 12:11 AM

It is my kitchen. You can dig it, or you can fuck off Wow... what's a kingdom without it's civilians, how it's like to be king of nothing ? People are lying to console wars discussion threads, if that pisses off you so much, then ban console war threads alltogether, otherwise get used to it !

Which reports are those? The one from Nintendo saying that they will have 2 Million systems on store shelves between the system launch and the end of December?

Lets just say that Nintendo is 100% on the mark. That works out to be about 800,000 systems on launch day and other 1.2 Million during December - WORLDWIDE. That is still only a handfull of systems here in the USA. (Probably, still only the original 400,000 would be my guess.)

If there are as many Nintendo fans as there seems to be... that still means that the system will be sold out on launch day and every shipment will sell out in minutes.

It still doesn't equate to people finding the system sitting on the shelf when they go to the store.

"When men are the most sure and arrogant they are commonly the most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation and suspense which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities. " David Hume

Opty

11-08-2006, 12:26 AM

And I didn't threaten to ban anyone for bashing on me, I threatened to ban someone for lying about something I had said. If you can't take the time to go back and find the old post and quote it, then I don't recommend you try to use it to discredit me.
Can you prove he was lying? That he was maliciously doing it to harm your image? You outright assume the worst right off of the bat. I mean if this is how you treat your fucking subscribers--people who give you money to run this site--what hope do I a lowly yellow non-subscriber have against your might? If I showed this thread to someone and asked them based on your extreme reaction if they believed you had something to hide, I believe they would say yes. You snapping like that only made the situation worse, as it's now sticking around rather than disappearing if you had gently corrected him with a post like the one you just used to respond to me rather than the harsh "Fuck you or else you're banned" post you started with.

Hellstorm

11-08-2006, 12:26 AM

Do we have to bring up the infamous DS comment? :P

There are going to be TWO big winners this Christmas and MS and the 360 is not one of them.

1) PS2 will probably outsell the 360 this Christmas. It is still a viable platform with a growing user base even today. Also quite telling when a last gen system has consistently out sold a next gen system. PS3 dominance, if any will have to wait a bit.

2) DS will probably outsell EVERYTHING. New markets have been tapped, the rise of the casual, non-gamer, and gamer alike have embraced this system. This is a system on NES proportions of success. For Nintendo, the Wii is just icing on their comeback cake.

31 Flavas

11-08-2006, 02:03 AM

Ehhhck... i'm horribly late, and that's a pitty I wanted a response from Evil... Oh well.Right next to what? Just watch. The ONLY system that will be on the shelves is the Xbox 360.

(Not including older systems like the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube or handhelds.)Ah... yes. Conviently just sweaping the PS2 and DS under the rug. They're old gen or piddly handhelds that noone would ever want... They don't count :D (even though each will easily outsell the 360 individually)

360's problem is going to be the same as it has been all along, it's too damn expensive. The system and its games. The PS2 has loads of excellent $20 games, and DS games already range from $20-35, not to mention each system is two-thirds the cost of a real 360.

Which reports are those? The one from Nintendo saying that they will have 2 Million systems on store shelves between the system launch and the end of December?Good god, Evil, do you not even read the news off of your OWN website? This one, from EvilAvatar.com, its very title reads, Nintendo Will Roll out 4 Million Units by Christmas (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20125). Don't trust your own website's news, then google it. You'll get a hundred hits.

I know you love the 360 and will blissfully ignore all damaging info, but great gravy, show some restraint.

Ok. 4 Million is a huge number. It is a number I personally think is complete and total crap, but if they really shipped 4 Million systems IN ONE MONTH then there would be a lot of systems on the shelves.
Aside from the fact that EvilAvatar.com has already reported, last week, that "4 million Wii™ systems [will be] available globally during the six weeks between Wii's Nov. 19 launch in the Americas and the end of 2006." The "largest share of that worldwide allotment will go to the Americas".

Care to explain how this fits in to your argument about 360 being the only system available this holiday? I wouldn't be surprised if Wii outsold the 360 as well.

bapenguin

11-08-2006, 04:55 AM

Haha, you might speak the truth. Hinting that MS gets the top tier here because they toss free things? Then obviously it pays to give free junk away to people...

There's a difference between "getting free things" and "actually returning emails".

Roc Ingersol

11-08-2006, 07:51 AM

Can you prove he was lying? That he was maliciously doing it to harm your image?
Some guy starts posting lies, inferring that EA's all but a buyable site - and it's Evil's job to refute it?

what fuckin world do you live in?

easi

11-08-2006, 09:01 AM

This thread reminds me of the admin on the SDF forums.

Phades

11-08-2006, 09:16 AM

Some guy starts posting lies, inferring that EA's all but a buyable site - and it's Evil's job to refute it?

what fuckin world do you live in?

That was my thought to. If HE knows it's a lie, he isn't under any obligation to prove his motives to a bunch of internet idiots. It's his site. Personally, I probably would have had a similar response.

theguido

11-08-2006, 09:45 AM

Well, someone in this thread is acting childish.

But anyways, based on my store I think PS2 and DS is going to outsell the X360 this holiday season. And if the Wii has sufficient supply it may as well.

TheFlyingOrc

11-08-2006, 11:26 AM

The PS2, which was more popular overall than the 360, sold 3 million units in 2001 during the holiday season, with GTAIII (although there was lag to its effects on console purchases - word of mouth sales, mostly), Final Fantasy X, and Metal Gear Solid 2 coming out that Christmas. I doubt Gears of War can make up for and surpass the draw of those 3 games combined.

However, my numbers are for US only. Europe should contribute somewhat - Japan is a non-factor.

Alright, I'll give them a MAYBE because of Europe.

Evil Avatar

11-08-2006, 12:37 PM

Care to explain how this fits in to your argument about 360 being the only system available this holiday? I wouldn't be surprised if Wii outsold the 360 as well.

Simple. I have previously stated that I think the 4 Million (or the earlier 2 Million) number of systems available during the Holiday season is a complete and total lie.

We may have reported it, because that is what we do, but it doesn't mean that I personally believe it.

Companies don't just go from "We will have 400,000 systems available at launch and another 600k during the first six weeks." to "We will have 4 Million systems available at launch."

That just doesn't happen.

This directly from the Nintendo Press Release that got Nintendo all pissed at me:

"The company plans to ship 6 million systems to retailers around the world between its launch in the fourth quarter of 2006 and the end of its fiscal year on March 31, 2007."

Dated March 25th. Right at the beginning of the summer before they even started manufacturing.

"Nintendo is mobilizing the largest worldwide video game console launch in at least a decade, with approximately 4 million Wii systems available globally during the six weeks between Wii's Nov. 19 launch in the Americas and the end of 2006. Although the largest share of that worldwide allotment will go to the Americas, Nintendo expects supply will be outpaced by demand, based on retailer orders, intense consumer requests and placement on numerous "gotta have it" holiday lists."

Dated November 1st.

The Wii started manufacturing sometime in July, around the same time as Sony started manufacturing the PS3. But, Sony only comes up with 400,000 systems and Nintendo comes up with 4 Million?

The numbers just don't add up.

Evil Avatar

11-08-2006, 12:42 PM

Also notice that Nintendo has never said how many systems will be available on launch day... that number could still be the original 400,000.

Zeal

11-08-2006, 12:44 PM

Not to mention that there's a ton of Microsoft employees who read this site.

thecrazyd

11-08-2006, 12:45 PM

The Wii started manufacturing sometime in July, around the same time as Sony started manufacturing the PS3. But, Sony only comes up with 400,000 systems and Nintendo comes up with 4 Million?

The numbers just don't add up.
But parts and labor is cheaper, easier, and faster on the Wii then on the PS3. Plus, the PS3 had announced manufacturing shortages. I think it can be easily seen how Wii production could be going much better then expected, hence their increasing their numbers.

Evil Avatar

11-08-2006, 01:04 PM

But parts and labor is cheaper, easier, and faster on the Wii then on the PS3. Plus, the PS3 had announced manufacturing shortages. I think it can be easily seen how Wii production could be going much better then expected, hence their increasing their numbers.

Increased numbers I'll go along with. 1 Million systems? Sounds good to me. 2 Million systems? It is a pretty big number, but I guess they could do it.

4 Million systems available the first month? I don't see that as happening. Certainly not after they had previously announced differently.

Evil Avatar

11-08-2006, 01:16 PM

Some guy starts posting lies, inferring that EA's all but a buyable site - and it's Evil's job to refute it?

what fuckin world do you live in?

I wouldn't know if we can be bought, no one has ever tried. ;)

And thecrazyd isn't just "some guy" he is one of our valued members. That doesn't mean he didn't piss me off, but please notice that I did not ban him and I did take the time to explain why I got mad.

thecrazyd

11-08-2006, 02:07 PM

Increased numbers I'll go along with. 1 Million systems? Sounds good to me. 2 Million systems? It is a pretty big number, but I guess they could do it.

4 Million systems available the first month? I don't see that as happening. Certainly not after they had previously announced differently.
Well, since 2 million was their initial number, then the increase should allow for the possibility of 4 million by your description. Unless they previously announced a number before the 2 million that I somehow missed.

31 Flavas

11-08-2006, 02:38 PM

We may have reported it, because that is what we do, but it doesn't mean that I personally believe it. Companies don't just go from "We will have 400,000 systems available at launch and another 600k during the first six weeks." to "We will have 4 Million systems available at launch." ... That just doesn't happen.Ok, this makes a little more sense, but we all know that by design the Wii architecture isn't anything fancy or exotic. You could say that its construction, and hence, manufaturing is using already proven and reliable materials and techniques. And therefore why Nintendo can (or could) manufacture and ship millions of consoles vs Sony who has to reject the majority of Cell processors / Blu-ray laser diodes because the laser is not functional or not enough SPEs are functional in the processor.

So, while I entirely respect your position, I hope you can now understand why I would be inclined to believe Nintendo when they say they'll have 4 million units shipped by Chrismas.

The Wii started manufacturing sometime in July, around the same time as Sony started manufacturing the PS3. But, Sony only comes up with 400,000 systems and Nintendo comes up with 4 Million?Well, first, your own website reported that Kaz Hirai, President/CEO of SCEA, said the PS3 was not in production even in the middle of august. (Kaz: PS3 Not Yet In Production (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16556)) When production actually started, god only knows, but it certainly wasn't in July as you state.

Second, there were the huge manufacturing problems Sony was having. I mean, if you don't have enough functional CPUs and Blu-ray lasers, you really can't produce a lot of PS3 systems.

And then third, Where are the reports of Nintendo having bad yields on "Broadway" or anything else involved in Wii's construction (laser, memory, flash ram, graphics card, etc)? Unless you can provide some reports otherwise, i'll just continue to take Nintendo's numbers at face value.