1080P oh snap!! (Dashboard Update Available) [Archive]

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 04:14 AM

I turned on my 360 this morning only to see an update waiting to be downloaded. After it installed I rushed to the dashboard to see if the magical 1080P option was there, BINGO! Too bad my TV does not do 1080P over component. VGA cable here I come!
Fall Update (http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/10/30/Fall-06-Update-Details.aspx)

Here is the full feature list:
XBOX 360 Feature List (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1030-novemberupdate-completelist.htm)

1080p Videos
Here's a link (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx) to some native 1080p content to test out the new 1080p option along with the streaming video via WMC option.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 04:24 AM

bap, please fix the enormous post displayed on the front page since I edited it, sorry :(

kokyunage

10-31-2006, 04:24 AM

How about providing a link rather than having this post take up 1/3 of the front page.

alienchild

10-31-2006, 04:25 AM

who cares!? MILF-Rider had like 40 new videos out today, now THAT is first page material!

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 04:26 AM

bap, please fix the enormous post displayed on the front page since I edited it, sorry :(

Heh. Fixed. I still love the title. It's so funny because it's so pointless.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 04:29 AM

How about providing a link rather than having this post take up 1/3 of the front page.

It did not originally take up that much space, I edited it after I found the feature list. Your welcome.

Bap, thanks for fixing it, I forgot it throws everything out of whack when you edit it afterwards. On a side note, does your new tv do 1080p over component? I forgot my tv doesnt use 1080p component and I thought something was wrong with my tv this morning, then I finally woke up and realized I needed a vga cable. Of course after I get the vga cbale a hdmi cable will come along...

And oh snap ;)

jeffool

10-31-2006, 04:35 AM

How about a patch to not make any game I put in start up instantly?

Yes I'm bitter. I just looked and found out that my 50" plasma doesn't do 1080p.

Watership

10-31-2006, 04:39 AM

How about a patch to not make any game I put in start up instantly?

Yes I'm bitter. I just looked and found out that my 50" plasma doesn't do 1080p.

Not many tvs do 1080p over component. They may support 1080p, over HDMI or VGA.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 04:47 AM

How about a patch to not make any game I put in start up instantly?
That is already there, its called boot to dashboard. Check your system tab. Its been there for a couple of months I think.
If you are referring to after you turn on your 360 and then you put in a game and you still do not want it to start I cant help you there ;)

Not many tvs do 1080p over component. They may support 1080p, over HDMI or VGA.
I think he means his tv doesnt do 1080p at all. ;)
If not sue me, its still early in the morning

Heretic Machine

10-31-2006, 04:47 AM

And the update has begun... Though, I doubt it'll get much use until I finish FFXII... Which I should be going out to buy in just a moment.

EDIT: Oh, and someone wanted this, now it's in...
Optionally disable notifications from Xbox Live while watching DVD movies

Sophism

10-31-2006, 04:52 AM

Woo, thanks for point it out, Perigon. :) Sometimes I want to watch a movie without "PWNAGE24 has sent you a game invitation" popping up every six seconds.

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 04:57 AM

On a side note, does your new tv do 1080p over component? I forgot my tv doesnt use 1080p component and I thought something was wrong with my tv this morning, then I finally woke up and realized I needed a vga cable.

Yup...mine does. It was one of the reasons I chose it.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 05:08 AM

Nice, I am going to atempt to find the vga cables today since I will buying the hd dvd player anyways. Are you going to stick with the component cables or go to vga for the hd dvd player? I cannot afford the stand alone bluray or hddvd players so I am hoping the xbox version is good.

Woo, thanks for point it out, Perigon. :) Sometimes I want to watch a movie without "PWNAGE24 has sent you a game invitation" popping up every six seconds.

You can turn off notifications before watching a movie, you know this right. I think they put an option in the dvd menu or something now, havent checked it out yet.

Thenetcase

10-31-2006, 05:14 AM

That's why you should use my TV:
http://www.planar.com/hometheater/pd470/

heh heh... nothing else on the market like it.

Heretic Machine

10-31-2006, 05:15 AM

You can turn off notifications before watching a movie, you know this right. I think they put an option in the dvd menu or something now, havent checked it out yet.

Yes, but that is extremly tedious. This option is much better.

smith186

10-31-2006, 05:25 AM

Skampy

10-31-2006, 05:25 AM

I got the upgrade this morning. The dell 2407 had no problem accepting the 1080p signal. Whether its a resolution fix or the saints row patch fix. My saints row doesn't really slow down anymore. I had problems with frame rates with Saints row.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 05:31 AM

That's why you should use my TV:
http://www.planar.com/hometheater/pd470/
heh heh... nothing else on the market like it.
why, it can do 1080p over component but you have to use vga for hddvd anyways?! Does your tv have vga?

Yes, but that is extremly tedious. This option is much better.
So did they put the option in the dvd menu?

Sophism

10-31-2006, 05:34 AM

It says "(1) RGB (HD15): HDTV, Computer (VESA DDC2B Plug&Play), SW updates"

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 05:37 AM

Nice, I am going to atempt to find the vga cables today since I will buying the hd dvd player anyways. Are you going to stick with the component cables or go to vga for the hd dvd player? I cannot afford the stand alone bluray or hddvd players so I am hoping the xbox version is good.

I'm not going to purchase the HD-DVD drive anytime soon. If, by some miracle the HD-DVD drive shows up on my door...I'm not gonna send it back though. :)

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 05:52 AM

It says "(1) RGB (HD15): HDTV, Computer (VESA DDC2B Plug&Play), SW updates"
gotcha, does your vga do 1080p is what I meant.

doubtingthomas

10-31-2006, 05:59 AM

I need to convert some, um, video files now to .wma Anybody how or what a good program is to do that?

Nite_Moogle

10-31-2006, 06:09 AM

Where's the friend leaderboard at on the dashboard? Is it only for arcade games and not for all games like I was hoping? :(

Sophism

10-31-2006, 06:11 AM

.wma is the Audio format, .wmv is the Video format.

This (http://www.blazemp.com/downloads.html) looks like it might work.

shnastybiznastic

10-31-2006, 06:25 AM

I need to convert some, um, video files now to .wma Anybody how or what a good program is to do that?
mplayer can do it. But why? Why would you want to move to a format that requires more cpu overhead? Particularly on the cusp of the 360 getting 1080p. Maybe you have a set that does 1080p, and you want to play videos on it from your 360. However, in that case, it would be better, quality-wise, to hook your computer up to the display and play from there, since converting from various compressed formats is just going to net you some information loss. I guess I'm confused.

crashedout

10-31-2006, 06:27 AM

One other nice thing about the VGA cable with the latest update is that it will also upsample standard DVDs as well. I guess using the VGA cable gets through a licensing loophole in CSS. I'm looking forward to trying that out tonight.

And here I thought the port was going to be useless when I got my TV.

Where did you find out about the loop-hole? I am very interested in upscanning my DVD's and was led to beleive that the 360 was not going to do that in any form. I may be using my "useless" vga port as well. Thanks for the info.

Kamalot

10-31-2006, 06:34 AM

I rushed to the dashboard to see if the magical 1080P option was there, BINGO!
That is the sound of thunder being stolen.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 06:38 AM

I just had the time to quickly start poking around with the 360 dashboard update, and I'm sorry to report that 1080p is broken on the XBR2 via both component and VGA. When I select 1080p in VGA, I get a windowboxed picture with tons of info cut off on both sides and a warning from the TV saying "Invalid Signal--Check Your PC Output". Over component, when I select 1080p I get a screen full of static for 10 seconds before the console reverts to 1080i.
Feh. Since the XBR2 is one of the most high-profile, wildely available 1080p displays on the market, you'd think MS' engineers would find a way to get the two to work together, but noooooo...

From the avs forum for the new xbr2 sony tv owners....this will be the last straw with this tv and it will go back if this is not fixed within my 30 day return window. I hope you guys have better luck with your 1080p sets, cause I got screwed good on the price of the over expensive sony tv but the fact that it does not play nicely with my 360 will make me take it back.

I am so happy today, I am going to scare the living shit out of every kid I see tonight. :mad:

doubtingthomas

10-31-2006, 06:43 AM

.wma is the Audio format, .wmv is the Video format.

This (http://www.blazemp.com/downloads.html) looks like it might work.

Thank you, yes, I meant .wmv

doubtingthomas

10-31-2006, 06:46 AM

mplayer can do it. But why? Why would you want to move to a format that requires more cpu overhead? Particularly on the cusp of the 360 getting 1080p. Maybe you have a set that does 1080p, and you want to play videos on it from your 360. However, in that case, it would be better, quality-wise, to hook your computer up to the display and play from there, since converting from various compressed formats is just going to net you some information loss. I guess I'm confused.

Well, I have my 360 and pc connected to my router, so my pc and 360 are connected. And this new update lets you stream video from your pc, but only .wmv files. I don't really want to move my pc near my tv, or purchase a cable long enough to connect the two.

Virtual Machine

10-31-2006, 07:15 AM

I'm a tad dissapointed. The system doesn't seem to be doing upconversion through component with DVD playback as promised. Through VGA i still get upscaled playback - and it looks gorgeous! (my tv supports 1024x768 resolution through VGA) But through component i still just get a progressive (480p) signal which looks like ass. It bugs me because i get an inch or so of windowboxing on top, bottom, and sides when i run though VGA - looks like i'll have to put up with it. Unless there's an option in the menus somewhere to turn on upscaling DVD playback with the component cables - which i couldn't find.

Jack B

10-31-2006, 07:19 AM

Yes, but that is extremly tedious. This option is much better.

You hit the Xbox button, then personal settings, then notifications then the check box to turn off notifications. Takes all of 10 seconds. Now they give you an extra check box for turn off notifications during movies.

Saves you 10 seconds before and after the movie, so it's a good thing, but not earth shattering.

soco

10-31-2006, 07:24 AM

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 07:34 AM

You hit the Xbox button, then personal settings, then notifications then the check box to turn off notifications. Takes all of 10 seconds. Now they give you an extra check box for turn off notifications during movies.

Saves you 10 seconds before and after the movie, so it's a good thing, but not earth shattering.

Now they just need options to adjust what notifications you receive. I don't want to see the friends online thing anymore. With 100 friends it's pretty damn annoying while playing. The only notifications I want are invites to play and new messages.

Xerxes

10-31-2006, 07:37 AM

Did they fix dead rising on SDTV's?

shnastybiznastic

10-31-2006, 07:50 AM

Well, I have my 360 and pc connected to my router, so my pc and 360 are connected. And this new update lets you stream video from your pc, but only .wmv files. I don't really want to move my pc near my tv, or purchase a cable long enough to connect the two.
It lets you stream from SMB shares now?! Or do you still need the damnable media extender?

I would recommend against converting everything to wmv. It takes larger amounts of CPU overhead to decode than most file formats and has larger filesizes (due to delicious time-memory tradeoffs). This wouldn't matter if you only ever watched videos from the 360, but I doubt that's an accurate appraisal of your situation ;) . If you want a better solution for watching digital video on your living room set, look into MythTV. Myth does damn near everything, has obscenely extensive documentation, and can be implemented as a fileserver/video frontend on as little as an old P3. Also, converting all your videos to wmv will lose you a portion of the quality in translation.

SuperKRad

10-31-2006, 07:54 AM

From the avs forum for the new xbr2 sony tv owners....this will be the last straw with this tv and it will go back if this is not fixed within my 30 day return window. I hope you guys have better luck with your 1080p sets, cause I got screwed good on the price of the over expensive sony tv but the fact that it does not play nicely with my 360 will make me take it back.

I am so happy today, I am going to scare the living shit out of every kid I see tonight. :mad:

Ive been extremely interested in getting the XBR2 but cant find this thread. Can you give me a direct link?

rjcc

10-31-2006, 08:09 AM

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 08:09 AM

yes,
xbr2 owners thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=707726)
Just go to the last 2 pages to see the 1080p issues as it concerns the 360.

Wonka

10-31-2006, 08:28 AM

Now they just need options to adjust what notifications you receive. I don't want to see the friends online thing anymore. With 100 friends it's pretty damn annoying while playing. The only notifications I want are invites to play and new messages.

Indeed.

Actually, I advocate a *slightly* more sophisticated system, where they let you flag people individually based on whether or not you want to be notified when they get online. That is, I *would* like to know when someone like my brother or my real life friends get online, but I don't need to be notified every single time that l33tGamEr_4000 gets online...

Right now, the entire system assumes that all my online friends are of equal importance to me. In reality, they are not. Some of these people are blood relations, and others are just people who I find to be inoffensive.

Microsoft needs to fix this...

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 08:28 AM

Just updated the post to include a link to some native 1080p content.

ColdForged

10-31-2006, 08:29 AM

I'm a tad dissapointed. The system doesn't seem to be doing upconversion through component with DVD playback as promised.

As mentioned, they have never said they would upscale over component, only over VGA.

One other nice thing about the VGA cable with the latest update is that it will also upsample standard DVDs as well. I guess using the VGA cable gets through a licensing loophole in CSS.

Upscaling over VGA has been in since the spring dashboard update (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0605-springrelease-features.htm). The only difference now is support for 1080p and upscaling to 1080p if that's your native resolution over VGA.

Johan

10-31-2006, 08:39 AM

I still want more BC titles....This is like sand in an oyster to me; irritating, but without the pearl as a result. Give us MORE BC TITLES!!!

Sandman

10-31-2006, 08:45 AM

I think the only thing I'll really use is the WMV support so I can watch video podcasts on my 360....stuff like On The Spot and The 1up Show.

soco

10-31-2006, 08:54 AM

i'm not sure if they'd want them, but there are a tiny handful of WMV DVDs, some of which are in 1080p or so, if you can still find them. T2 was one of them. perhaps some of you still have that copy with the two discs and can use it to test out your new found abilities :)

Kamalot

10-31-2006, 08:56 AM

i'm not sure if they'd want them, but there are a tiny handful of WMV DVDs, some of which are in 1080p or so, if you can still find them. T2 was one of them i think...
I have one of these DVDs, a documentary about dolphins. It is truly fabulous.

Dolphins I would want to see in HD. Shitty movies I'll pass on.

Actually, I'd rather see a documentary about Dolphins over just about anything on TV.

cp#

10-31-2006, 09:39 AM

So Is 1080p Everything You've Ever Wanted And More?

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 09:40 AM

IF I COULD GET IT TO WORK WITH MY TV Yes

Yes, I am bitter right now... :mad:

funtownarcade

10-31-2006, 10:29 AM

VGA is the worst

Atorak

10-31-2006, 11:03 AM

So Is 1080p Everything You've Ever Wanted And More?

I'll let you know as soon as I get home. :)

Although my TV does not do 1080p/60fps, I think it is "only" 1080p/24fps/30fps. The 60fps is on HDMI.

Damned Microsoft and their lack of an HDMI port....

Does anyone know if DVDs are the only thing that doesn't upscale to 1080p over component? If I burned a WMV disk, would it upscale that stuff over Component? I think games can still be upscaled to 1080p over component, as well as everything on the dashboard, but I was curious if DVDs were the limiting factor.

PS: Does anyone know what type of connection the HD-DVD drive will be sporting? I don't think I've heard a concrete answer on that yet.

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 11:26 AM

The hd drive connects to the 360 via mini usb, but you still can out put it with any output sold for the 360. Hell, you could use s video if you wanted to.
The only way to get 1080p hd-dvds is through vga, you can play games at 1080p through component.

Dariath

10-31-2006, 11:33 AM

MythTV is a linux program, no? Does anyone know of a comparable one for Windows? I liked the MythTV stuff, specially the emulation items.

rainbowblack

10-31-2006, 11:40 AM

with FFXII firmly implanted in my ps2 it's going to be a while before i play my 360, let alone turn it on

phantomhitman

10-31-2006, 11:54 AM

with FFXII firmly implanted in my ps2 it's going to be a while before i play my 360, let alone turn it on

ok...so why come into a 360 update thread?

TrainwreckX

10-31-2006, 12:17 PM

That is the sound of thunder being stolen.

What has Sony got over us 360 owners? Surely it isn't games.

Zeal

10-31-2006, 12:18 PM

Man, my TV accepted the 1080p signal but then down converted it back to 1080i. It now just looks like a smoother running 1080i signal.

Gay.

bapenguin

10-31-2006, 12:33 PM

Man, my TV accepted the 1080p signal but then down converted it back to 1080i. It now just looks like a smoother running 1080i signal.

Gay.

Wait...so you have a TV that accepts 1080p, but doesn't display it? Did you think the TV was a 1080p TV?

fahrvergnugen

10-31-2006, 12:35 PM

Zeal

10-31-2006, 12:35 PM

sinclair122

10-31-2006, 12:40 PM

So silly me thinking that since the 360 supported a bunch of different resolutions up to 1360x720, that they would also support increasing resolutions up to 1920x1080. Unfortunately it does not (i just want to use my monitor at its native res 1680x1050). The other updates I thought were also pretty underwhelming.

ilian

10-31-2006, 12:58 PM

XBLA interface is much slicker, very happy about that.

rjcc

10-31-2006, 01:13 PM

It's a 60" LCD Sony Grand Wega, although it was produced in 2004. I checked the manual and it supports 720p and 1080i natively, although it only "accepts" the 1080p signal and downconverts it.

I'm gonna upgrade once 1080p has been perfected.

EDIT: Then again, I don't understand why the TV downconverts 1080p back to 1080i, considering there's no difference from the original 1080i signal if you do that.

I'm assuming it's converting to 720p, it'll accept 1080i too, but lcd's are all progressive and only have a fixed number of pixels. unless its a 1080p lcd, you're not getting 1920x1080

archon

10-31-2006, 02:10 PM

Sorry for such a NEWB question, but does the standard Xbox 360 preimum package come bundled with the VGA cables or do you have to buy them separately?

Montolio

10-31-2006, 02:19 PM

Sorry for such a NEWB question, but does the standard Xbox 360 preimum package come bundled with the VGA cables or do you have to buy them separately?You have to buy them archon. The premium comes with the Component HD AV Cable.

Zeal

10-31-2006, 02:26 PM

So wait, what is 1080i converted to if all LCDs are progressive. There's a noticeable increase in resolution from 720p to 1080i.

I play all my 360 games in 1080i.

EDIT: The TV says it is a "triple-LCD projection"

51|RandoM

10-31-2006, 03:04 PM

Was logging into Live to get this and my 360 locked up during the login.

Whew, it is working now.

Zanzibar

10-31-2006, 03:41 PM

Was logging into Live to get this and my 360 locked up during the login.

Whew, it is working now.
Man, I bet that was scary. You probably wouldn't have been surprised to see a BSOD on reboot.

archon

10-31-2006, 04:08 PM

ah, thanks Montolio, I thought that was the case...

Atorak

10-31-2006, 04:24 PM

NOOOOOOOOOO!

Well I finally got the update installed, went over the System menu, hit Display, and then clickd on 1080p.

Nothing. My screen went blank. Every time I select it, it puts me back to 1080i. DAMMIT!

My TV accepts 1080p over component, yet, for some reason, it's not working! Now I don't know what to do. I'm on the phone with Microsoft to try and get an explanation, and after that I'll be calling HP up. Apparently a bunch of HP owners have had this problem. Anyone get this to work using VGA?

I'll keep everyone updated. :(

crashedout

10-31-2006, 04:35 PM

I can vouch for the samsung hl-sxx87w. Component and vga work fine at 1080p. I find VGA better and like the upscaling for DVD's, although there is some introduced noise in the process. Good luck to those who have not tried it yet.

NightRain

10-31-2006, 06:23 PM

Could try a VGA to DVI adapter then a DVI to HDMI cable. Not sure if it would work since I don't have a 1080p set, but I do know that is how I got my Dreamcast to work in 480p on my TV. I used a $3 VGA to DVI connector and a $10 DVI to HDMI cable. I bought them at www.monoprice.com. This should work since the VGA cable can output 1080p and the HDMI port can accept it. The VGA cable doesn't know an adapter even exists.

What do you think?

51|RandoM

10-31-2006, 07:01 PM

I'll let you know as soon as I get home. :)

Although my TV does not do 1080p/60fps, I think it is "only" 1080p/24fps/30fps. The 60fps is on HDMI.

"1080p/24fps/30fps"

The short way of saying that is 1080i, fyi... :) The 60fps is what makes it 'p'.

NeoSuplex

10-31-2006, 07:11 PM

I think it's more the fact that the lines are scanned in sequence.

Schnoogs

10-31-2006, 07:45 PM

"1080p/24fps/30fps"

The short way of saying that is 1080i, fyi... :) The 60fps is what makes it 'p'.

uh...no.

Nice try though ;)

Busted_Astromech

10-31-2006, 08:15 PM

Weak sauce. It's not just the Sony XBR 2/3 owners that can't get 1080p to work. I have a ViewSonic G90f CRT monitor that's rated for up to 1920x1444 and I get the exact same problem as the XBR does. Color is messed up (tinted red) and the image is much larger than my display (it's trying to render 1900 pixels in some sub-1900 horizontal resolution).

Hopefully we'll get a hotfix and not have to wait for the next bi-annual update.

Johan

10-31-2006, 08:23 PM

I'm royally pissed...after the update, my Media Center connection between my pc and 360 has been broken, and I'm having a pain-in-the-ass time reconnecting it.

Thanks MS...no BC for me, just a serious rip of my anal cavity. Thanks so much.

I'm so pissed right now, I can't even see straight. Truly; smash my 360 pissed at these bungling idiots.

While we're at it, if they have any other products they'd like to update, I'd love to spend a day or two with each trying to get it to work the way it did before their wonderful update.

Balhem

11-01-2006, 02:52 AM

I'm royally pissed...after the update, my Media Center connection between my pc and 360 has been broken, and I'm having a pain-in-the-ass time reconnecting it.

Thats because you just need media player 11 now, you dont use the media connect anymore.

Johan

11-01-2006, 04:52 AM

Thats because you just need media player 11 now, you dont use the media connect anymore.

Media connect is still part of the dashboard, and still has uses I am interested in.

I'm pissed that their damn update borked my connection with my computer...I have an aggressive firewall, and it took me forever (a day) to get the damn thing to work the first time. :mad:

Plus, I've been in customer service hell with them for an unrelated issue...spent hours on the phone (on hold) with several phone calls over the course of the past week, and I'm getting royally sick of all things MS right now. :mad:

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 05:19 AM

53 minutes 13 seconds
Remember that number, because that is how long I was on the phone with Microsoft tech support yesterday. Of course some Indian speaking woman answered, with absolutely no clue about anything tv or xbox related. Not her fault I know, so she makes me go throught he stupid steps (is your tv 1080p, is the display setting 1080p, what cable are you using, etc) until I finally lost my patience and just asked for a supervisor. I hold for 15 minutes.....yes 15 minutes.....until Alex has time to speak with me. He tries to run me throught he same things but I kill the nonsense and tell him what is happening. I just give him my tv make and model number and tell him to forward that to someone that can fix it. I was the first person to report the issue and he sent a bulletin out about it.
I would like to thank everyone that has called so far, that is the only way we can get this solved. Here is the number again for the slackers that have yet to call ;)
1-800-469-9269
As soon as the person answers the phone just ask to speak to a supervisor so you can report an issue. Even though it might take a while to get them on the line you can save a ton of time by doing this. Just tell the operator it is a specific technical problem that needs to be reported to a supervisor. Give them your model number and tell them 1080p is not working via the vga cable.

Here is the examples of what is going on.
Sony kdl-xbr2 46 inch
XBOX 360 via vga cable

First, this is 1360x768 which is 720p
Dashboard displays fine, no issues at all
http://members.toast.net/tmtackett/photos/tv/768-dashboard.jpg
Guide comes up, everything is visable
http://members.toast.net/tmtackett/photos/tv/768-guide.jpg

Next is the 1920x1080 which is 1080p
This the the warning message that appears as soon as the tv receives teh 1080p signal
http://members.toast.net/tmtackett/photos/tv/1080-unsupported.jpg
Here is the screwed up dashboard. As you can see the 1080p image is there but it is almost displayed as a 4:3 image.
http://members.toast.net/tmtackett/photos/tv/1080-dashboard.jpg
This shot shows exactly how much of the 1080p image is being cut off of the left side.
http://members.toast.net/tmtackett/photos/tv/1080-guide.jpg

The 1080p image is there, but it is showing only a 4:3 shot of it. You can manually scroll over to the left to see the rest of the image but it will never be in the correct widescreen 1080p format. Microsoft and Sony have exactly one week to fix this before I move along and return this tv and cancel my hd-dvd order.

Atorak

11-01-2006, 05:39 AM

Thanks for doing that phantom, I spent half an hour on the phone before I finally hung up last night. Not ONE person picked up the phone. I also called HP, and they said that they've been receiving calls about the problem all night. Apparently, they were going to have their senior tech guys take a look at it.

I'm hoping this is a Microsoft problem and not an HP problem.

I'm calling Microsoft now, I'll let you know how it goes.

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 05:59 AM

I am going to be calling sony today, I cannot wait to deal with them...

Virtual Machine

11-01-2006, 07:29 AM

Thanks for the replies guys - but during X06 several Microsoft boys claimed that upscaling over component was coming in advance of the HD-DVD drive. I believe there was even some mention of it over on Major Nelson. I've been enjoying upscaled DVD's through VGA since i bout the set in August - i was just hoping i could get rid of the windowboxing of the vga port and actually fill my screen ;)

Guess i have to wait for the HDMI cables in December :(

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 07:30 AM

Guess i have to wait for the HDMI cables in December :(

not going to happen

rjcc

11-01-2006, 07:32 AM

Evil Avnovice

11-01-2006, 07:36 AM

Now that it's come and gone, how about an update to make Media Blade navigation more re-intuitive? It's not user-unfriendly, but it took me several seconds before I came to grips with the new layout.

Why is it that you can access 360 Marketplace from the "Video" blade, but not in the "Games" blade? :confused:

The auto download feature for 360 Live Arcade sounds nice in theory, but will probably end up being completely useless, seeing how many new titles come out every week/month.

I suppose the next dashboard update could work on further intergration with accessing 360 Marketplace from your 360 Live Arcade/game discs/digital content at any time for a real seamless experience. :eek:

marwan

11-01-2006, 07:47 AM

with FFXII firmly implanted in my ps2 it's going to be a while before i play my 360, let alone turn it on

hmmm...you can start by running FF12 in High Definition!

bapenguin

11-01-2006, 08:13 AM

Kamalot

11-01-2006, 08:21 AM

Gizmodo is now reporting on this issue.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/microsoft-and-the-case-of-the-1080p-sony-hijinks-211581.php

After a day of testing there are some particular strange things going on. People on the AVS forum are reporting that 1080p is not working with component or VGA cables on the Sony XBR2/XBR3 line of HDTVs, which are touted as some of the better 1080p HDTVs out. Also, before I get flamed, the XBR series can support 1080p over said cable, according to the manual.

atariv8

11-01-2006, 08:31 AM

1080P is the FUTURE!! My production company's brand new Sony Grand WEGA KDF-60WF655, which was bought last year for demoing purposes, can't take a 1080P signal, THANKS SONY! I'm going to try it on my Sony GDM-FW900 at home tonight. I run the component cables through a box that converts the signal into a VGA signal. We'll see how that works. Before anyone says "why didn't you buy the VGA cables", I had purchased the converter a few years ago for my xbox.

On another note, being able to play our HD spots off a USB stick is sweet.

Schnoogs

11-01-2006, 09:27 AM

My westinghouse 37" 1080p LCD would not accept a 1080p signal over component...LUCKILY I have the 360 VGA cable as well and 1080p worked fine over it.

The image looks different but not the way one would expect. I need to calibrate the set a bit because the switch to VGA has resulted in different brightness and colors. The colors looked punchier over component.

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 09:40 AM

phantom...from your description of the issue I had the exact same issue with my old Sony CRT and a PC. I could only ever get 1024x768 to work on it, even though it claimed to support 1280x720 via DVI. It would display the 1280x720 image...it looked hi-def...but it was severely cropped. I could "scroll" the image to see the whole thing, but it would never fill the screen.
Yeah, there are 1 of 2 things happening
1-Microsoft's fault
This would be that the 1080p signal is either not a true 1092x1080p 60 hz signal or that the vga cable is just retarded. It could be some type of programming/engineering issue as well. It is not just Sony tvs with issues, but every single Sony tv has this issue.
2-Sony's fault
The vga port is completely fucking screwy or they just blatantly lied about the specs of it. It is a proven fact that every resolution works with it using the 360/vga combo except for 1080. PCs and Macs can display a 1092x1080 signal with no issues at all as well. However the 360 cannot get a proper signal to the tv.

All that I care about is having a tv that works as advertised. Of course MS tested the 360 with Samsungs and they work perfectly. I am awaiting a response from either Sony or MS about this before I return or cancel anything. I love my Sony xbr2 but I cannot deal with this issue. The set will be returned and I will pick up the new Samsung 46 inch model.

Atorak

11-01-2006, 12:19 PM

Quoted from Death=Adder at www.avsforum.com:

"Well it seems to work fine on my Samsung HLN-5668W through the VGA. I set it to 1920X1080 and it came up just fine. The image isnt vastly improved but it does look a little better than 720p. I do notice that the minimal amount of lag that existed before is now completely gone. I guess taking that last bit of conversion the TV had to do to get from 720p to 1080p helped.

As far as people with Sony TVs having problems is concerned, it has been mentioned on another message board I go to that the problem may be related to the way the Xbox synchs the signal. It has been suggested that the Xbox may be doing synch on green. One of the members of that message board stated that their Sony manual states that the TV does not support synch on green. If that is the case then the problem could be simple. Microsoft should be able to change the way the signal synchs up. Since Sony owners have no problem with 720p over VGA it is likely that the 720p signal is not using synch on green. Microsoft would then only need to change the 1920X1080 signal to synch the way the 1280X720 signal does. Of course I have no idea if there are other factors involved but hopefully thats all there is to it."

This is not the first place I've heard about the "Synch on Green" being the issue with some of these TVs. I also read that Microsoft reps have stated that VGA is really the only connection they recommend, since most TVs do not accept 1080p over component. Unfortunately, I think that translates to "We didn't test 1080p over Component much, if at all."

KingGorilla

11-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Virtual Machine
Thanks for the replies guys - but during X06 several Microsoft boys claimed that upscaling over component was coming in advance of the HD-DVD drive. I believe there was even some mention of it over on Major Nelson. I've been enjoying upscaled DVD's through VGA since i bout the set in August - i was just hoping i could get rid of the windowboxing of the vga port and actually fill my screen

Guess i have to wait for the HDMI cables in December

He never told you that on the disc side of things, most studios will require HDMI for full 1080p display. He fed you BS dude.

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 12:59 PM

Atorak, that sync issue only came about because I posted the full rgb (vga) specs of my tv on avs. That sync on green issue applies to every single resolution through vga, and is not a warning that applies only to the 1080 resolution. In fact there were 3 warnings in the users manual about the vga port, why they picked the sync on green issue is beyond me. People jumped the gun and started posting that shit everywhere, I even read it on the xbox forums a few minutes ago. I am not ruling that out as a possibility of the problem but people should not spread that as the official problem. I just pray to the av gods that this will be fixed very quickly on Microsofts side through a patch before the hd-dvd player drops next week. If not I will be out of a shit load of money.

Atorak

11-01-2006, 01:37 PM

Thanks phantom, my mistake. Heh, I'm just anxious to get this issue resolved you know? Posting stuff everywhere helps because hopefully someone knows more than I (we) do!

And believe me, I'm not happy about dropping shitloads of money on my TV either. Fortunately for you, you're still in the 30-day return policy phase. :) Mine, on the other hand, expired last November!

Lack of HDMI-out on the X360 is the real problem. Sure, legacy HDTV sets don't have HDMI (DVI usually), but every set that came out within the last year or so, plus every set that will be made has it. It's just a shame that they didn't see it as a priority.

We can argue about the video quality differences between Component, HDMI, DVI, etc till we're blue in the face, but the lack of a digital output on the 360 is a real shame. Especially since the shelf-life of a console is somewhat in the order of 6 years. 6 years from now, I would expect every A/V device to have HDMI, with TV's featuring more HDMI ports than Component.

This sucks. :)

phantomhitman

11-01-2006, 01:50 PM

NP at all, but I think I have found the culprit to the issue. One guy posted some really good info over at avs talking about how the vga syncs up and how it could throw the Sony tv out of whack. It could be fixed by another dashboard update which would tell the xbox how to output and sync up on the vga connection. But we all know that will never happen and MS will dick around with this for a few more weeks before doing anything about it. I am really tempted to trade my tv in for a Samsung for the time being, and then go back to the Sony if this is ever fixed.