Revolution Info Leaked?

[if76]

An interesting gamespot rumor control edition. Apparently an ex-Nintendo employee had some interesting stuff to say about it's upcoming console


He--or she--says that the Revolution will have wireless, pressure-sensitive controllers that will add a new level of force feedback. "It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls," said the source. "You squeeze it and you go faster." The source also said that the Revolution "will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far" and come with wireless headsets. He also said that the Revolution will come with an online service superior to Xbox Live--but totally free.


gamespot: rumor conrol (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/06/news_6123 850.html)


I hope it's true about the free online play. I'm tired of paying microsoft to get to connect to my own ISP and host my own server.

[Puresock]

Delicious rumours. We'll see, I guess. The squeezey pads sound tremendously exciting but I have no idea what will use them apart from the inevitable Wario Ware game.

[Rirath]

Pressure sensitive controllers don't sound all that different to me from the standard analog buttons we're all used to now... but who knows. Free online gaming is quite important to me however, and if Rev makes it work better than PS2... they might have something that I can look forward to.

[Heretic Machine]

Well... as interesting as a preasure sensitive controller sounds.. I can't imagine how much it's going to suck trying to play with one for more than half an hour.

[screwtape]

The thing I keep thinking is: if Nintendo deviates from "standard" console design too much, aren't they running a risk of alienating third party developers even more? As it stands, it's more or less common for games to be made for all three platforms. If it requires an entire redesign of the control system for a game to be ported to the Revolution, how many developers are willing to spend the time and money on such a project?

[crackeriah]

The thing I keep thinking is: if Nintendo deviates from "standard" console design too much, aren't they running a risk of alienating third party developers even more?
Keep in mind that Nintendo has already said the Revolution will be backwards compatible, which means it will be capable of playing anything that requires the current gamecube controller.

So, it seems likely that 3rd parties will be able to use or ignore Revolution's special features at their discretion.

[Furious Wang]

The Revolution will an extreme disaster above and beyond the Virtual Boy debacle.

[Kelegacy]

I dont think so, Wang. I think some of these things they *might* offer are more than gimmicks. Even if they are, they'll still suck alot of people in. The only thing I believe they NEED to do is get some killer 3rd party support. That's all that's hurt them so far, i think.

And i bet they WILL offer a free online service. That is so damned tempting to me...I'm not a Live subscriber because the thought of having to PAY to play one of the games I just spend 50 bucks on is ridiculous. Just like MS's attempt to make you buy the DVD Playback kit...why not just include it outright? I think Nintendo may be feeling a little frustrated from the past round and will attempt to please as many people as they can--and offering some of these things to gamers could turn them into a positive direction.

And the best part is, these tidbits arent even supposed to be the "Revolution" part of it. Something more?...well, you now have my attention. MS's HD-era? I could care less about that shit. Xbox2 players will be paying for an online service so they can then pay for content downloads (potentially). That doesnt sound appealing to me. Free is always better!!

[Vandenh]

>online service superior to Xbox Live--but totally free.

Yeah right...

In other news... revolution will include time-travelling features and all software will be free!

Seriously...

Wait until Nintendo says something substantial... all these rumors just make the Revolution allready look silly. 3D holograms, voice recognition, squeeze controller... none of these things actually exist in working versions (and no.. voice recognition is not good enough).

[Draft]

Fanboy wet dream nonsense. Oh man, Nintendo Revolution will come with an online service that's BETTER than Xbox Live-- AND FREE! SUCK ON THAT, ***!11!

[mkelehan]

Uh, yeah. They sort of announced that they would have a free, easy, Live-like service for Revolution and DS back at GDC. When Iwata announced "it will be free," the crowd applauded. Am I the only one who saw that?

[Vipermmx]

great now all nintendo needs is good games....

Ill pass on anything nintendo for awhile. There games suck. Seen the lineup for GC?? ita laughable.

[president_fred]

There is a lot of bitterness where Nintendo is concerned. Like a jilted lover these broken emasculated men return empty husks unseen and unloved from the battleground of digital entertainment. Lurking in dark corners only to voice their anger on the ethernet and in Xbox live microphones. Crying their frustrated once videogame loving eyes to sleep.
Or else they just need to lighten up, get a girlfriend and hope for the best. Maybe in time you will learn to enjoy videogames again, regardless of maker.
:rolleyes:

[Draft]

There is a lot of bitterness where Nintendo is concerned. Like a jilted lover these broken emasculated men return empty husks unseen and unloved from the battleground of digital entertainment. Lurking in dark corners only to voice their anger on the ethernet and in Xbox live microphones. Crying their frustrated once videogame loving eyes to sleep.
Or else they just need to lighten up, get a girlfriend and hope for the best. Maybe in time you will learn to enjoy videogames again, regardless of maker.
:rolleyes:
This post is bad and you should feel bad. Save it for english 101.

[zeeeg]

I hate pressure sensitive controls. In PS2 racing games I always feel like I have to really mash the button in to make sure I'm going at maximum speed. I think my hand would cramp up and die if I had to hold a stress ball squeezed for more than 10 seconds.

[president_fred]

This post is bad and you should feel bad. Save it for english 101.
Hehe I can't help it I am so bored. I am revising for my Uni exams ;)

[trip1eX]

Some anonymous guy gets on a forum somewhere and posts a bunch of crap and it's news?

[falak]

Why is free online play so unbelievable? Scepticism over the controllers I can understand, but online? It's not like it's impossible, or even particularly hard to do (for a large company). Just because Microsoft have found another revenue stream (albeit a relatively small one) doesn't mean it's the norm. And I can see more value in gaining market share rather than charging a small sum per year. It certainly offers a strong advertising opportunity.

[riposte101]

The thing I keep thinking is: if Nintendo deviates from "standard" console design too much, aren't they running a risk of alienating third party developers even more? As it stands, it's more or less common for games to be made for all three platforms. If it requires an entire redesign of the control system for a game to be ported to the Revolution, how many developers are willing to spend the time and money on such a project?

The answer is zero.

[Borys]

Fanboy wet dream nonsense. Oh man, Nintendo Revolution will come with an online service that's BETTER than Xbox Live-- AND FREE! SUCK ON THAT, ***!11!

And don't forget Retro's Halo-Killah!!!

Seriously. This is all bullshit people. Wait for E3.

[jacktion]

This post is bad and you should feel bad. Save it for english 101.

No, THIS post is bad and you should feel bad for being so emulsificational. Save it for Negative Nelly Class 102.







(now somebody do my post and the comedy will increase exponentially)


oh yeah, in the interest of posting relevant info to the thread, the Revolution's crazy feature will be a smell sensor you stick up your nose!

[MosBen]

I'm skeptical of the free internet service. I mean, running a system like Live costs money. Maybe not as much as MS is charging, but still, there are definitely costs involved. Now, is Nintendo just going to run that system as a total monetary loss? Perhaps, but I'm rather skeptical of that. I'm betting that if it's free it's either a decentralized system like the PS2 has now, where though you may not pay Nintendo anything some individual companies may charge individually or it's a centralized system like Live but supported by a lot of ads. Sure, it'd be great if Live, or something like it, was free, but I bet if this is like Live it will end up just being cheaper which I would hope would cause a price war that we all benefit from. Another possibility is that there will be a tiered system with some very basic functionality being free and more fully featured system available for a fee.

[if76]

Is it really that hard to believe that the online service will be free? I have a system right now where I can play thousands of online games for free. It's called a PC. Assuming Nintendo can slap together some console equivalent of Gamespy then I dont' see what the problem is.

[jeffool]

Hey if76,
Good eye and all, but how about editing your original post to include a link to the Gamespot rumor column? ;)

[Draft]

Is it really that hard to believe that the online service will be free? I have a system right now where I can play thousands of online games for free. It's called a PC. Assuming Nintendo can slap together some console equivalent of Gamespy then I dont' see what the problem is.The free version of gamespy sucks shit through a tube. It's laggy and unreliable. It doesn't track stats or have a buddy/instant messaging system. The pay version isn't much better.

[Heretic Machine]

The free version of gamespy sucks shit through a tube. It's laggy and unreliable. It doesn't track stats or have a buddy/instant messaging system. The pay version isn't much better.

I think what he was saying is that Nintendo doesn't have to host the games on their servers, it could simply be a matching system which costs next to nothing to run. There really is no good reason why the three big consoles shouldn't have matching systems, and yes, the fact that Live is basically a matching system with some bells and whistles that you have to pay $50, is a joke when compared to all the free matchmaking services on the PC. This is coming from an XBOX fan.

[Royal Fool]

I thought that Aries guy had already been proven fake several times now... :rolleyes:

[if76]

ABOUT THE LINK:

Sorry about not posting the link. It was my first newspost and I was still figuring out the html tags. Won't happen again.

[Thumper]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but "stress ball" controllers sound like they might give you quite the workout!

[president_fred]

I just don't get what games you would impliment a stress ball like controller for more intuitive controls. Apart from the obvious multitude of 3rd base simulators, dough kneeding sims, etc.

[if76]

I just don't get what games you would impliment a stress ball like controller for more intuitive controls. Apart from the obvious multitude of 3rd base simulators, dough kneeding sims, etc.

Don't you mean 2nd base? ;)

[Draft]

I think what he was saying is that Nintendo doesn't have to host the games on their servers, it could simply be a matching system which costs next to nothing to run. There really is no good reason why the three big consoles shouldn't have matching systems, and yes, the fact that Live is basically a matching system with some bells and whistles that you have to pay $50, is a joke when compared to all the free matchmaking services on the PC. This is coming from an XBOX fan.Two server browsers that I can think off. Gamespy, which has sucked for years, and ASE, which started to suck last year. Neither of which has instant messaging. Live is more than worth the $4 a month I pay for it.

[president_fred]

Don't you mean 2nd base? ;)
aaah yes I do. Sorry trying to use a bit of the ol'cross-atlantic vernacular with craptacular effects. We don't use the base metaphor and if we did im not entirely certain how that transfers to cricket as a sexual metaphor, 2nd wicket, 2nd over or 2nd run. Which sounds more lewd?

[Heretic Machine]

Two server browsers that I can think off. Gamespy, which has sucked for years, and ASE, which started to suck last year. Neither of which has instant messaging. Live is more than worth the $4 a month I pay for it.

Many games have built in matching services, and you might want to note that there are numerous IM services available for free on the internet. Maybe you weren't aware?

As for XBOX Live being worth $4 a month... That's ridiculous. Lemme show you the extent of Live's game matching services.

XBOX1: Yo, I wanna start a game.
Live: Oh? Ok, let's get some more players then.
XBOX2: I'll play.
XBOX3: I'll play too.
Live: Ok, well let's put this game on XBOX1's server then. Off you go.
*Live directs XBOX2 and XBOX3 to XBOX1*
*end of Live's involvment*

Anything beyond that is nothing but bells and whistles, none of which take up very much in the way of resources, certainly not adding up to $4 a month.

[MosBen]

Look, maybe they can put together something good and free and I'll be happy to see and have it. But really, as stated above, I don't know of other inclusive services that work well and are also free. Xbox Live, on the other hand, works pretty well over a wide swath of games. If Nintendo puts together their version of Live and do it for free then more power to them. That's awesome and I'll like it. I'm just skeptical of people saying that they can do something for free that takes labor and investment.

[Kelegacy]

I believe Nintendo has been doing their homework. They need to play catch up this time around, in North America and Europe. I think if anyone can make an easy to use Online service, it's Nintendo. Plus, free is always good. It would definitely hurt MS (if the games were there to play) just like Guild Wars may prove a danger to World of Warcraft. Free doesnt always mean cheap and half assed when it comes to Nintendo--they have been creating affordable and efficent equipment for years.

The controllers...well i could care less. But it is nice that they are attempting something new, and if developers want to use these new functions then they can, but dont have to. Voice recognition is still a little immature, but if they can make something work then great. The online service intrigues me now, but the real revolutionary shit wont be talked about until E3.

Oh, and President Fred: your post wasnt as bad as Draft said it was. I majored in English and writing in college and I think you did a good job. Good imagery and figurative quips, but i think i have heard something along that description before...in a book perhaps? You didnt plagerize did you!? i'll tell your professors!

[Draft]

Many games have built in matching services, and you might want to note that there are numerous IM services available for free on the internet. Maybe you weren't aware?no wutz n im ???

As for XBOX Live being worth $4 a month... That's ridiculous. Lemme show you the extent of Live's game matching services.

XBOX1: Yo, I wanna start a game.
Live: Oh? Ok, let's get some more players then.
XBOX2: I'll play.
XBOX3: I'll play too.
Live: Ok, well let's put this game on XBOX1's server then. Off you go.
*Live directs XBOX2 and XBOX3 to XBOX1*
*end of Live's involvment*

Anything beyond that is nothing but bells and whistles, none of which take up very much in the way of resources, certainly not adding up to $4 a month.Instead of a play in one act, why don't you show me another ad free, all inclusive service that provides match making, stats tracking, instant messaging, buddy alerts and downloadable content.Oh, and President Fred: your post wasnt as bad as Draft said it was. I majored in English and writing in college and I think you did a good job. Good imagery and figurative quips, but i think i have heard something along that description before...in a book perhaps? You didnt plagerize did you!? i'll tell your professors!As someone who majored in "writing" you should understand the need for brevity in humor. All that imagery breaks up the flow of his idea and makes the post hard to read. C+.

[Heretic Machine]

Instead of a play in one act, why don't you show me another ad free, all inclusive service that provides match making, stats tracking, instant messaging, buddy alerts and downloadable content.

http://www.steampowered.com/

Pwned, asshole. Now why don't you go troll Gamefaqs for a while?

[Sykus]

aaah yes I do. Sorry trying to use a bit of the ol'cross-atlantic vernacular with craptacular effects. We don't use the base metaphor and if we did im not entirely certain how that transfers to cricket as a sexual metaphor, 2nd wicket, 2nd over or 2nd run. Which sounds more lewd?

I'd daresay 2nd wicket sounds the kinkiest, if nothing else.

[MosBen]

Perigon, it hardly seems the same though. I mean, at best it serves a small handful of games, however popular some of them are. Live, on the other hand, serves all kinds of games from all kinds of different developers/producers. I hardly think that if each company had their own service EA would notify me on their service that one of my friends is currently playing a Take 2 game and wants me to join in.

Like I said, if someone can do Live for free I'm all for it, but I'm pretty skeptical that it can be both the same (or better) as Live and free at the same time.

[falak]

I don't think examples are needed. If Nintendo are going to survive the next generation, they'll need to provide a top-notch service. Like, I said, it's not like it's impossible, it's just rarely taken far enough. I'm sure if Nintendo just laid down some new online play protocols for games to pass if they're to get published, everything will work out. They probably won't want to badger 3rd parties, but if they don't go for the centralized service, they can at least provide code/standards. And anyway, I don't see a reason to rule out a free centralized service. Consoles are sold as loss leaders, aren't they?

[bapenguin]

http://www.steampowered.com/

Pwned, asshole. Now why don't you go troll Gamefaqs for a while?

I got ads on Steam.

People who think Live is ONLY a matchmaking service are pretty ignorant. One of the best features of Live is Live aware games. It's great to see when my buddy is playing a single player game and I can send them an invite for multi. Not only that, leaving voicemail for players, etc is great.

If Nintendo comes out with a free service, awesome. That means that MS will need to add more premium stuff for free, or...make there's free. but...i'm not holding my breath.

[Heretic Machine]

Perigon, it hardly seems the same though. I mean, at best it serves a small handful of games, however popular some of them are. Live, on the other hand, serves all kinds of games from all kinds of different developers/producers. I hardly think that if each company had their own service EA would notify me on their service that one of my friends is currently playing a Take 2 game and wants me to join in.

And can you play Super Smash Brothers on XBOX Live? What about FFXI, is it on XBOX Live? No, XBOX Live only works for XBOX games, and Steam only works for Valve games. They provide the same function however, and it really isn't a problem to expand the same services out to other games. XBOX Live has the advantage of being run by a hardware manufaturer, while Steam is ran by a software company.

EDIT: I should also point out Battle.net while I'm at it...

[Kelegacy]

As someone who majored in "writing" you should understand the need for brevity in humor. All that imagery breaks up the flow of his idea and makes the post hard to read. C+.

For an undergrad, it's passable. Good doenst mean great. All that imagery does clog the mind a bit, but I didnt find it hard to read. But you point out a flaw in my reading: I wasnt looking for humor, and if it was meant to be funny, he failed miserably. I give him a D for Dunce and ban him from the Freshman Female Dorm and all the hot, naive tail that that building houses....

...sorry, flashback.

[Draft]

http://www.steampowered.com/

Pwned, asshole. Now why don't you go troll Gamefaqs for a while?Well hey, I guess if we ignore the fact that steam has ads and that it only works for 2 games, then wowee zowee the pwnage is in full effect. You need to take a step back and breath a little, angry internet man.

EDIT: I should also point out Battle.net while I'm at it...Another service that only works for one companies games and has ads! My god, I've been pwned right out of my chair!

[Heretic Machine]

Another service that only works for one companies games and has ads! My god, I've been pwned right out of my chair!

Do the ads pay for Battle.net? No. They're of OTHER BLIZZARD PRODUCTS! So, unless Blizzard is paying itself money to put those banners up, they aren't exactly bringing in a profit from them.

[MosBen]

Perigon, though there are certainly individual companies that provide *some* of the services that Live does for free, it's a completely different thing altogether to provide it between many companies, especially companies that are in direct competition with each other. Live provides a simple and useful way to a multiplayer world where some of my friends may be playing and EA game and others a Virgin game and others still a Take 2 game. Each of those companies may provide an online service on their own, and they may even do it for free (though I doubt it given the number of games those networks alone would support), but MS brings all of those games together under one fully cross compatible umbrella and that adds value. Now again, are they overcharging? I don't know, maybe, but then again if that is the case it's only because there's no really similar system in direct competition with them. Look at advertising; no companies are marketing their online presence as a direct competition to Live because there *is* no direct competition to Live. Some may say, "Play on our system because it's the only place to play game X" but that's not really the same as stacking features side by side and claiming that your system is better. Again, this isn't to say that Live is perfect or that it is priced right; it is only to say that right now it's in a field of one and that that combined with some of the specific features it offers adds value in excess of free. The market may change what that is worth, but I don't think any comparrisons to Blizzard.net or Steam are really relevant because they're not the same nor are they trying to be and I'm skeptical of any company that says they're going to do the same thing, or better, that MS is doing and do it for absolutely no cost at all to the consumer.

Remember, all these things cost money and the more features, including games supported, you add on the more they cost. I'm not saying anything is impossible, I'm just saying that skepticism in the face of pretty bold statements isn't the least wise thing to do, especially with this industry where hype runs at insane levels.

[mister_slim]

I think Nintendo is focusing on matchmaking. I would guess the most expensive part of Live is the ranking and anti-cheating features. If Nintendo just wants to bring some people together to play some friendly Mario Kart, they won't need that much bandwidth and player-watching. If the Revolution is as difficult to hack as the GC that will also help. Consider all the resources put into the Halo 2 ladder. Even with that they still had to reset the rankings. If Nintendo can trust their hardware more and worry about cheaters less it should make for cheaper and faster online play. I expect that developers who want to run a ladder will have to dedicate some of their own resources, but casual online play should be quite cheap to support.

[dr_qwandry]

"...and voice recognizion beyond anything that we've ever seen before"

Isn't that the tag-line on the back of lifeline? XD

[kid cabelgo]

Draft, excellent multi-post response!

A+

[MosBen]

Yeah, I'm sure reducing the potential for cheating, and the subsequent labor needed to curtail it, would be pretty helpful to reducing costs of a multiplayer system. Outside of that, though, I think your point about Nintendo focusing mainly on matchmaking is well in line with my point that, basically, you get what you pay for. If Nintendo only provides some basic matchmaking and minimal anti-cheat protection I can definitely see them providing that for a very low cost or free entirely. The more they offer, and therefore the closer they get to matching or surpassing Live in terms of features, the lower the likelihood that they can/will offer the service for free. Still Live is only $4/mo and if they face serious competition this time around in the multiplayer arena (which I'm hoping/pretty sure they are) it will force MS to add even more features to the system, which I'm sure they're planning already.

I don't think we actually disagree on anything specific mister_slim, I'm just studying for a final that I really don't want to take and talking about this is infinitely more fun.

[IndependentGMR]

It's actually about $4.16 a month. Seriously though, who cares? Let's wait a week, and see what happens at E3.

[Adam Blue]

No, XBOX Live only works for XBOX games, and Steam only works for Valve games.

And how man games has Valve released to be played on Steam and how many XBox Live! games are there? Seriously I am amazed that someone takes offense to paying $50 for XBox Live!. On a PC? There's not enough out there to make it comparable to Live!. There's nothing wrong with that...it's just the PC worls. Think of having Live! on your desktop. No matter what PC game you're in you can see all your friends' unique GAMERTAG, and invite them to play a game of counterstrike during their round of StarCraft.

Nintendo might have a free service coming up, but by being free will it have all the bells and whistles offered by Live!? And if it does, maybe that will be will get MS to thinking. But from what It sounds like it won't be much of a service. Remember they are wanting to use that cell phone type of connection. I don't see how that could be free, but with an online compnent like that, who knows what can happen.

[Heretic Machine]

And how man games has Valve released to be played on Steam and how many XBox Live! games are there? Seriously I am amazed that someone takes offense to paying $50 for XBox Live!. On a PC? There's not enough out there to make it comparable to Live!. There's nothing wrong with that...it's just the PC worls. Think of having Live! on your desktop. No matter what PC game you're in you can see all your friends' unique GAMERTAG, and invite them to play a game of counterstrike during their round of StarCraft.

It's called an instant messanger, welcome to the future!

[Achilles]

And how man games has Valve released to be played on Steam and how many XBox Live! games are there?Hey a question that can be researched! The question is whether you’re talking about Live Aware games and ones with downloadable content or just games that can be played online multiplayer. Here’s a complete list (http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/live/games/Live-GamesList.htm ). The answer is 63 for ones that are flat out Live enabled.

[Morratut]

I find it unbelievable that people find Xbox Live not good value for money.It's a environment which works very very well.

I am incredibly happy with Xbox Live. If i go on PC with a load of friends it always ends up being a complete ball ache. A major reason is to find a server which can accomadate us all.So you end up scanning for a server which is decent and has a few people on it.

If i play on my Xbox i always have fun with friends. It's no hassle gaming. Put the disc in and play.

The PS2 is supposed to have free online and it doesn't work all that well i've heard.

I don't believe Nintendo will be able to do a service which could beat Xbox live. Especially not for free.

I may be wrong however.We will have to wait and see :)

Steam and other PC programs have nothing on Xbox live by the way.

[31 Flavas]

If Nintendo are going to survive the next generation,You realized though that Nintendo has, at the very least, worldwide sold 14 million GameCube. Which is roughly as much as xbox. As much as you may want to labelthe Gamecube behind the times and/or call it a failure, stop and stake a look around.

So like wise I just have to laugh when you say Revolution is going to make or break Nintendo. No its not. What ever the hell Revolution is, it's going to sell. And Nintendo is going to make a heck of a lot of money off of it just like they have with Gamecube.

[falak]

I certainly don't want to label the cube a failure. I admit it was a poor choice of words. But we are not talking about the cube here, we're talking about the revolution. And if you read over what I said, it's true. They are going to need some sort of online service. If they want to compete, a wise move would be to make it free. Similarly though, you can't presume the revolution will sell just because the cube did. People will make their decisions based on featues. Most don't know what a gigaflop is, but they know what online play is.

I don't think I said anywhere that this generation will 'make or break' nintendo. When I said 'survive' I meant staying in the public arena. I meant having a product that sells well. I wasn't talking about them going bankrupt.

[Achilles]

As much as you may want to labelthe Gamecube behind the times and/or call it a failure, stop and stake a look around. You should stake a look around too. In the entire month of April not one game was shipped for the Game Cube. That’s a problem and anybody who says it’s not is delusional. It has next to no third party support left. If you look at the software sales charts for the Cube they are significantly lower than those for the PS2 and Xbox. The Cube is a big flop everywhere but Japan. This is the market that the Revolution will be coming in to. It’ll have to be a more compelling purchase than Xbox 2 and PS3 for people to buy into it, especially if it comes out at the same time as the PS3 does. Not everyone is a hardcore enough Nintendo fan to buy every system they put out, so I'm not so sure it'll sell no matter what it is, it has to be good to sell and it has to be supported.

[31 Flavas]

It’ll have to be a more compelling purchase than Xbox 2 and PS3 for people to buy into it, especially if it comes out at the same time as the PS3 does. Not everyone is a hardcore enough Nintendo fan to buy every system they put out, so I'm not so sure it'll sell no matter what it is, it has to be good to sell and it has to be supported.Every Nintendo system has very well despite having used cartidges past their use by date and using mini-cds that nobody wanted and not including cd/dvd playback. It may not be the hardware and software that YOU want but someone is buying it. So what Nintendo system won't sell?

[31 Flavas]

I don't think I said anywhere that this generation will 'make or break' nintendo. When I said 'survive' I meant staying in the public arena. I meant having a product that sells well. I wasn't talking about them going bankrupt.Just to be clear, I was assuming the former and not the latter. But the assertion is just the same. I think you are just over reacting.

[Achilles]

It may not be the hardware and software that YOU want but someone is buying it. So what Nintendo system won't sell? Actually I’m talking about most people, not myself, I own a Game Cube. But you can continue to think that nothing's wrong and they're doing fine. Personally I hope the Revolution is good, and that they get their third parties back and their games rock, but I'm worried that they're going to gimmick and proprietize themselves right out of the market.

[31 Flavas]

Actually I’m talking about most people, not myself, I own a Game Cube. But you can continue to think that nothing's wrong and they're doing fine. Personally I hope the Revolution is good, and that they get their third parties back and their games rock, but I'm worried that they're going to gimmick and proprietize themselves right out of the market.Basicly you're proving my point, despite or inspite of "flaws" and "gimmicky" mini-cds you bought a gamecube. So Nintendo stuff sells. It may not be what you want, but someone, a whole of of someones are buying them.

As far as Revolution, what substantial info do we have on it? So far all the pictures and info to date, except that from Nintendo, which is almost nothing, have proved to be false. So i'm inclined to just say you're over reacting to this squeeze controller, whatever thing, because it probably doesn't even exist.

edit: fixed some spelling

[[HATE]MyLife]

This just in: The Revolution's controller is a wireless Playskool squeaky hammer! With Voice Recognition!

*Whack*
"Run!"
"Run!"
*Whack*

[Achilles]

It may not be what you want, but someone, a whole of of someones are buying them. As I said I own a Game Cube and I have 6 games for it. It’s not about what I want it’s about what most people want. Right now they’re not even considered a competitor by the other two hardware companies. Don't take my word for it, look at their sales numbers over the last 8 years for hardware and software. Though I think you may be physically incapable of thinking that Nintendo might be in any kind of trouble. But hey at least you're very supportive of your favorite game company.

[31 Flavas]

As I said I own a Game Cube and I have 6 games for it. It’s not about what I want it’s about what most people want. Right now they’re not even considered a competitor by the other two hardware companies. Don't take my word for it, look at their sales numbers over the last 8 years for hardware and software. Though I think you may be physically incapable of thinking that Nintendo might be in any kind of trouble. But hey at least you're very supportive of your favorite game company.Well, let me as you this, has Nintendo ever been about giving people what they want? No. Nintendo does their own thing and their customers like it (i.e. purchase it). So why should Revolution be any different. Revolution will be what ever the hell it is and people will buy it. People like Nintendo stuff. Period, end of story. Obviously, not as much as Sony systems and geographiclly depends on Microsoft. But Nintendo is in NO WAY shape or form hurting in console sales or handheld sales because they continue to be profitable. (yikes, profit, bad word I know) So is it any wonder I don't think they won't have any problem selling the revolution?

You're just worrying too much about popularity. This isn't a popularity contest for Nintendo and never has. EDIT: Wouldn't you say though that Nintendo usually mixes in enough of what they want with enough of what "what most people want" to find a happy medium?

[mister_slim]

As I said I own a Game Cube and I have 6 games for it. It’s not about what I want it’s about what most people want. Right now they’re not even considered a competitor by the other two hardware companies. Don't take my word for it, look at their sales numbers over the last 8 years for hardware and software. Though I think you may be physically incapable of thinking that Nintendo might be in any kind of trouble. But hey at least you're very supportive of your favorite game company.
Based entirely on anecdotal evidence, I think Nintendo sells more copies of a given average game than any other publisher besides maybe EA. Luigi's Mansion has sold how many million? And it's still selling. I would guess Nintendo is more likely to recoup development costs than any other publisher, even accounting for the fact that they don't have to pay licensing fees to a console manufacturer.

[Achilles]

Luigi's Mansion has sold how many million? And it's still selling. It’s not still selling in any quantity that will get it on the monthly charts. As of the end of 2002 it had sold 850,000 units in the US. That’s kinda like a million. By comparison Zelda:OOT sold 6 million units outside of Japan in the 7 months after it came out.

[Supreme_Cheatsurfer]

Based on the leaks I've come accross, the Revolution will help Nintendo reclaim it's rightful place, as the first, the best, the KING!!! Gyro-Based controllers, that are sensitive to it's OWN movement, Wireless DS connectivity, Superior WiFi advantages, and a Fan-Base pleasing, Sony-proof, turn-around, top-o-da-line, Super-Console!!!
There's an interview, through which spec's, and little hints are given,
all @ N-sider.com (http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=344) Nintendo S Reign Again!!! Mwahahahahahaa!