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Evil Avatar
08-14-2006, 06:05 AM
Startrek.com is playing host to a teaser image (http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/series/MOV/011/poster1/pop.html) for Paramount's 11th Star Trek film, rumored to take place at Star Fleet Academy and casting actor Matt Damon in the role of James T. Kirk.

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bapenguin
08-14-2006, 06:06 AM
Matt Damon as Kirk? That might actually fit.

flinxz
08-14-2006, 06:07 AM
Matt Damon as Kirk eh?

Just how many nerds died of shock after hearing that?
Is there a chart or graph I can look at somewhere?

Oh please do tell how that might actualy fit?
I am too tired so I see that as only a bad thing.

sflufan
08-14-2006, 06:08 AM
It's an odd-numbered Star Trek film -- I don't hold out too much hope for it.

soco
08-14-2006, 06:13 AM
oh man i hope this is just like 90210, but in the 23rd century!!!11

it's hard for me to get excited about star trek movies anymore :(

flinxz
08-14-2006, 06:15 AM
oh man i hope this is just like 90210, but in the 23rd century!!!11

it's hard for me to get excited about star trek movies anymore :(

I think you go the wrong Matt there soco.

Zeal
08-14-2006, 06:20 AM
I don't know how they're gonna make the old Enterprise look believable. I mean, there's really no way to 'update' it, so it'll come out looking cheesy no matter what.

Spigot
08-14-2006, 06:22 AM
Enterprise: The Movie.

markster3000
08-14-2006, 06:22 AM
woah, a Star Trek film with a name-brand actor!

Varsity
08-14-2006, 06:22 AM
http://shatneriskirk.ytmnd.com/

Nimos
08-14-2006, 06:25 AM
A Star Trek movie without the Borg is doomed to failure.

soco
08-14-2006, 06:30 AM
I think you go the wrong Matt there soco.

haha. it wasn't a reflection of the matt. just that it feels by casting someone young and attractive and setting it at a school, probably with lots of school hijinx, it may appeal to a broader audience. especially since we know kirk was such a womanizer, we can imagine there's gonna be some romance in there :(

but hey, maybe they'll prove me wrong...

Frogleg Special
08-14-2006, 06:30 AM
Retro? I thought all the fans of the original series are busy with their grandkids.

I take it in the future Star Trek Universe, even the Borg is inducted into the Federation so it's pointless to have stories on them.

Adam Blue
08-14-2006, 06:32 AM
I loved First Contact. Nimos is right...hehe...the Borgs make the movie. Seriously. They might as well make some more Borg-type movies.

Dr.Finger
08-14-2006, 06:32 AM
They need to let this franchise lie for at least 5 more years. The bad memories are too fresh in the public's mind for it to succed in 2008.

Voodoo
08-14-2006, 06:35 AM
I don't know how they're gonna make the old Enterprise look believable. I mean, there's really no way to 'update' it, so it'll come out looking cheesy no matter what.
I don't think the Enterprise makes an appearance in this film. As far as I have gathered this is about the eventual officer crew of Enterprise meeting up at the Academy and the film leads to the test we saw in Star Trek 2.

51|RandoM
08-14-2006, 06:38 AM
Maybe it'll be like Starship Troopers. :p

Voodoo
08-14-2006, 06:39 AM
Maybe it'll be like Starship Troopers. :p
When I read the plot of the film, that was exactly my first reaction too. LOL! :)

Morratut
08-14-2006, 06:41 AM
I love Star Trek but i'm already dreading this film. :(

JazGalaxy
08-14-2006, 06:41 AM
Matt Damon as Kirk? That might actually fit.

I think it's a perfect choice.

Heretic Machine
08-14-2006, 06:45 AM
Prequels are made of suck and lose.

Evil Avatar
08-14-2006, 06:48 AM
I take it in the future Star Trek Universe, even the Borg is inducted into the Federation so it's pointless to have stories on them.

Not to be geeky, but that would be impossible no matter how brilliant your fiction. The Borg are an insect-like hive mind that exist only by assimilating other cultures. They could encounter an enemy they couldn't beat and decide to avoid them, but they couldn't really co-exist with another group.

GunnyMo
08-14-2006, 06:50 AM
Matt Damon as Kirk? That might actually fit.

I agree. Just as long as Ben Affleck is nowhere to be seen. I think Damon is an excellent actor and could play a young Kirk very well.

Voodoo
08-14-2006, 06:57 AM
Prequels are made of suck and lose.
I know! Especially with that suck ass that makes that series Lost at the director of this thing. Suck and lose I tell you. Suck and Lose.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/210406_01.shtml

P.S. I apologize ahead of time if my sarcasm sucks, I don't normally do much of it as Eternal Gamer will attest to.

Housemixer
08-14-2006, 06:59 AM
Oh and I had hoped for a DS9 movie....(imo the best ST series, excluding season 1).

Zeal
08-14-2006, 07:02 AM
Ben Affleck to play Spock.

Keep it on the down-low. I don't wanna be named.

Reanimated
08-14-2006, 07:03 AM
Prequels are made of suck and lose.



My thoughts exactly.

GunnyMo
08-14-2006, 07:07 AM
My thoughts exactly.

Now, now. This is Star Trek not Star Wars. There haven't been any bad Star Trek mov...oh wait, um...well it's been a long time since there was a bad Star Trek movie. Hey, at least Shatner isn't directing. :)

Lutheran
08-14-2006, 07:10 AM
I wouldn't bet against JJ doing a nice job with this project. Star Trek needs to go in a different direction , and this might be the type of thing that brings back the large audience that used to go see a Star Trek movie. Forget the odd numbered crap , Berman is gone..these are new times. I have a lot of faith they won't screw this up.

PS

This is old news lol , at least 2 weeks old..that pic has been my desktop since the beginning of August or right around there :) But thanks Evil , now I get to argue with even bigger geeks then the star trek fans about this and I love to argue.

Savok
08-14-2006, 07:24 AM
Not to be geeky, but that would be impossible no matter how brilliant your fiction. The Borg are an insect-like hive mind that exist only by assimilating other cultures. They could encounter an enemy they couldn't beat and decide to avoid them, but they couldn't really co-exist with another group.
Never underestimate how bad the writers for Star Trek are. Besides, Voyager completely fucked the Borg, they are now total pussies and less of a threat then Scotty after a few drinks.

As a trekkie who simply keeps himself out of the loop as its just too painful reading about what they keep doing to Star Trek, I'm horrified by Matt fucking Damon playing Kirk, or anyone besides Shatner playing Kirk for that matter. You're either getting a bad impersonation/parody of Shatner's Kirk, or a completely different Kirk which just won't be Kirk at all.

Unless they're doing some sort of reboot like Batman Begins, leave the universe alone, it's been fucked in the rear enough as it is.

EDIT: Those assholes better be glad they never got Ben Affeleck, I'd of burned down Paramount myself. Man I hate that asshole.

Schnoogs
08-14-2006, 07:29 AM
Star Trek will be officially dead and ruined after this movie....what a shame.

CrashCart
08-14-2006, 07:31 AM
Screw the movies. You know what we need? Motherfuckin' Star Trek: CSI.

It couldn't be in the Next Gen era, obviously, since technology in that time can solve all of their problems. (Seriously, can't they just fix everything and anything using only tricorders and transporters? It's like MacGyver and duct tape.) But you know it would work. I need to pitch this to.. Someone.

slink-jadranko
08-14-2006, 07:57 AM
Abrams has denied that it will feature Kirk as a youngster, but refuses to say what it will be about.
It says so on the site if you follow links.

Banacek
08-14-2006, 08:02 AM
Abrams has denied that it will feature Kirk as a youngster, but refuses to say what it will be about.
It says so on the site if you follow links.

I hope this is true.

Tolkoto
08-14-2006, 08:03 AM
This poster has been around since Comic-Con. Anyways, I don't really buy into the Matt Damon rumors. At least I hope they're not true. If they really want to revive the franchise, then they're going to have to make a new series, and if the want the next series to be based off of this movie, then they're going to have to find an actor who will be willing to play Captain Kirk for several years.

I really wish that they would just make a new Trek series set in the 25th Century. Just make another 100 year leap like Next Gen did.

Savok
08-14-2006, 08:07 AM
Abrams has denied that it will feature Kirk as a youngster, but refuses to say what it will be about.
It says so on the site if you follow links.
That would make it 100x less offensive.

Lutheran
08-14-2006, 08:09 AM
Never underestimate how bad the writers for Star Trek are.

Hmm these aren't the same writers that have normally been attached to the franchise in the past. This is JJ's team , if you liked MI:3 or Lost then you will see that this new project has a nice chance of being something special. If you don't like MI:3 or Lost well then you have bad taste anyway and no one cares what you think :p J/K

Zeal
08-14-2006, 08:16 AM
Somebody fire some transphasic torpedoes into this bitch.

Buddha Lotus
08-14-2006, 08:21 AM
Big question is who is going to play Spock..

I had to be a Trekker nerd here.. but I dont think Kirk and Spock met at Starfleet Academy..

CrashCart
08-14-2006, 08:34 AM
I really wish that they would just make a new Trek series set in the 25th Century. Just make another 100 year leap like Next Gen did.

Star Trek: CSI. :D

markster3000
08-14-2006, 09:08 AM
It's an odd-numbered Star Trek film -- I don't hold out too much hope for it.
Considering that the last even numbered movie was garbage, I'd say we're due for something good.

Soap
08-14-2006, 09:31 AM
If Matt Damon is cast, I really hope he tries to act like Shatner acting as Kirk.

That would be classic.

Savok
08-14-2006, 09:32 AM
if you liked MI:3 or Lost then you will see that this new project has a nice chance of being something special.
Oh my god we're fucked.

atariv8
08-14-2006, 09:36 AM
Kahn and Kirk should be at the same academy going after the same girl and Kahn gets her....KAAAAHHHHNNNN!

Spigot
08-14-2006, 10:26 AM
How about Snakes on an Enterprise?

Montolio
08-14-2006, 10:27 AM
Crap. Only 4 days left to win one of those mini-posters (www.startrek.com/custom/exclude/giveaways/060722_miniposter/detail.jsp). Damn you Interweb story reporting lag . . . damn youuuuuuu!

Zanzibar
08-14-2006, 10:27 AM
Finnegan better be in this.

Dag-Sabot
08-14-2006, 11:04 AM
Finally, all my years of not being a Star Trek fan are being rewarded. If my calculations are correct this will be the event horizon that assures the implosion of the whole franchise.

Xerxes
08-14-2006, 11:20 AM
They should make, Star Trek XI: The Return of the Sisqo... O_o

Heretic Machine
08-14-2006, 11:27 AM
We need another DS9 show. The great thing about that show was that the characters developed over time, it basically preceded shows like Buffy, Lost, Battlestar Galactica... etc. Every other Star Trek has just been about running around on episodic adventures, and that just doesn't usually cut it for me. The TNG movies are passable, only because I really like the cast and characters, but I don't see how this Star Trek XI can possibly be anything but terrible.

BTW: If I wanted more Kirk, I'd buy some Boston Legal DVDs. Denny Crane FTW!

mikeohara
08-14-2006, 11:38 AM
This better be good, I avoided the last movie like snakes on a plague.

greenapple
08-14-2006, 11:41 AM
We need another DS9 show. The great thing about that show was that the characters developed over time, it basically preceded shows like Buffy, Lost, Battlestar Galactica... etc. Every other Star Trek has just been about running around on episodic adventures, and that just doesn't usually cut it for me. The TNG movies are passable, only because I really like the cast and characters, but I don't see how this Star Trek XI can possibly be anything but terrible.

BTW: If I wanted more Kirk, I'd buy some Boston Legal DVDs. Denny Crane FTW!

O.k... giving DS9 credit for inventing serial rather than episodic content is crazy.

Also, putting DS9 next to GOOD shows like Buffy, Lost, Battlestar is crazy too.

DS9 formula = holodeck + hot Dax's + more big giant battles. There was very little good writing in there and even less good acting.

Xerxes
08-14-2006, 11:48 AM
O.k... giving DS9 credit for inventing serial rather than episodic content is crazy.
I don't think he gave it credit for inventing, just they came before those other shows and other Star Trek shows.

Also, putting DS9 next to GOOD shows like Buffy, Lost, Battlestar is crazy too.
You thought Buffy was good?

DS9 formula = holodeck + hot Dax's + more big giant battles. There was very little good writing in there and even less good acting.
The Dax's were ok but hardly that hot. Battles were larger but the villians weren't better than the others. And they didn't burn holodecks out like Voyager or Enterprise. That reminds me of my cousin Quark Griffin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klI28s0AWC4).

Syphro
08-14-2006, 02:03 PM
The last rumour I heard is that this movie would take place a generation after Enterprise but still a good few decades before Kirk's era.
It won't feature a starship as a main location and will follow a group of young recruits either just ending their training at the academy or just starting their work in starfleet.
Heck, come to think of it, if they do have Matt Damon in mind he could make a pretty good Pike. And casting a young Pike wouldn't anger THAT many people.

But yea, Abrams said there would be no young kirk in the movie. The rumours have taken that way out of hand.

[VSK]BadCRC
08-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Never underestimate how bad the writers for Star Trek are. Besides, Voyager completely fucked the Borg, they are now total pussies and less of a threat then Scotty after a few drinks.

Yeah, Species 8472, nuff said. Then the fact that Janeway pretty much eliminated the Borg. But how many Queens are there? If Picard killed the queen in First Contact, then Janeway kills her again on the last episode of Voyager...

But that wasn't what bothered me the most, because the ultimate lameness came from Enterprise when the doctor, 250+ years prior to Next Generation or Voyager suddenly finds a miraculous cure for Borg assimiliation, what the fuck, seriously.

But in all honestly, I enjoyed Voyager, it had a good story to it, even if some episodes were the epidomy of suck. But nothing sucked as bad as Enterprise. I heard a lot of people bitch about Voyager, but holy shit, Enterprise pushed Star Trek into a whole new realm of suck with that theme song. From seasons 1 to 2, it was okay, it was weird, but I was okay with it, Season 3 and beyond - oh my god... Die. Seriously. It sounded so sickningly out of place...

Like each episode would start with the average trekie opening, then cut to that "duh duh duh... ddduuuhhhh" thing, screen goes black, intro song cuts to a very [Insert Homosexual Slur Here] theme song that had that upbeat tempo to it. Same song, but it sounded like a techno remix... Uhg, disgusting.

While I haven't seen Season 4 yet, I've heard that they finally found their footing at that point, by which point the show had such bad ratings and the time slot was so bad that they just pulled the plug at like their 98th episode or so.

Oh god... I really am a Trekie. /dies

JRR006
08-14-2006, 02:37 PM
*gag/whimpers* God, I just hate the ... youth-izing of Star Trek. The characters are mature adults! I guess that one episode of TNG ("Below Decks"?) was all right. The one with the young officers and the senior staff and the parallel poker games. I wouldn't want to see an entire movie, though. Also, I know Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy, etc. I consider their story finished. TNG's story is finished. Voyager too, I guess, though I never really watched that. I'd like a DS9 movie!
Anyway. Are they desperately trying to bring in new, young fans? Anyone who is seduced into Star Trek with strapping, youthful actors facing young adult issues will be sorely disappointed by the rest of the franchise.

DeadPixel
08-14-2006, 02:45 PM
I hope this movie does well and keeps the Star Trek Experience in Vegas running. I heard rumors that they are losing money, sold off to another owner and might just close up the whole park. My recent visit was full of excitment, I think they did a great job.

Heretic Machine
08-14-2006, 02:53 PM
*gag/whimpers* God, I just hate the ... youth-izing of Star Trek. The characters are mature adults! I guess that one episode of TNG ("Below Decks"?) was all right. The one with the young officers and the senior staff and the parallel poker games. I wouldn't want to see an entire movie, though. Also, I know Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy, etc. I consider their story finished. TNG's story is finished. Voyager too, I guess, though I never really watched that. I'd like a DS9 movie!
Anyway. Are they desperately trying to bring in new, young fans? Anyone who is seduced into Star Trek with strapping, youthful actors facing young adult issues will be sorely disappointed by the rest of the franchise.

There are several issues with a DS9 movie though... For one thing, there are plenty of books on the subject. For another, Rene Auberjonois (http://www.renefiles.com/) looks really old these days, far too old to play Odo. I don't know what happend to the guy, but he looks at least twenty years older than he did on DS9. Maybe they used really great make-up on him back then, I don't know...

[VSK]BadCRC
08-14-2006, 03:05 PM
For one thing, there are plenty of books on the subject. For another, Rene Auberjonois looks really old these days, far too old to play Odo.

I'm pretty sure, that wasn't his natural face at the time when he was in DS9. Odo looked like a burn victim after years of reconstructive suergory.

JRR006
08-14-2006, 03:49 PM
There are several issues with a DS9 movie though... For one thing, there are plenty of books on the subject. For another, Rene Auberjonois (http://www.renefiles.com/) looks really old these days, far too old to play Odo. I don't know what happend to the guy, but he looks at least twenty years older than he did on DS9. Maybe they used really great make-up on him back then, I don't know...

Ah! Hm... I've never really followed the mass of literature devoted to Star Trek. I don't know if you posted with specific books in mind, but I'd be interested in reading a few if you have any recommendations.
As for Mr. Auberjonois looking rather aged... a little hair dye and some caked on makeup, and he could probably still pull it off. I mean, Brent Spiner was really showing his age in Nemesis, but I had no issue with it. (Spiner, that is. The movie as a whole is a different story.) Star Trek actors get old, that's part of the charm.

Heretic Machine
08-14-2006, 04:46 PM
Ah! Hm... I've never really followed the mass of literature devoted to Star Trek. I don't know if you posted with specific books in mind, but I'd be interested in reading a few if you have any recommendations.
As for Mr. Auberjonois looking rather aged... a little hair dye and some caked on makeup, and he could probably still pull it off. I mean, Brent Spiner was really showing his age in Nemesis, but I had no issue with it. (Spiner, that is. The movie as a whole is a different story.) Star Trek actors get old, that's part of the charm.

Well, as to your question about DS9 books, I haven't read any of them. I just know that they exist, as I've seen them and looked into buying them from time to time. I've never actually gotten around to it (though I do own some TNG books). I've heard they are worth reading if you like DS9 though. One of them is nothing but a long journal entry (or letter, I can't remember) by Garrack.

When all else fails, Wikipedia pulls through (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine#Books). I'm tempted to buy the audio books, just because Rene Auberjonois is full of awesome.

EDIT: Here is the entry that specifically deals with the Deep Space Nine Relaunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Nine_relaunch) series of novels.

Xerxes
08-14-2006, 05:06 PM
Did Sisko return in any of these books?

Banacek
08-14-2006, 06:36 PM
Well, as to your question about DS9 books, I haven't read any of them. I just know that they exist, as I've seen them and looked into buying them from time to time. I've never actually gotten around to it (though I do own some TNG books). I've heard they are worth reading if you like DS9 though. One of them is nothing but a long journal entry (or letter, I can't remember) by Garrack.

When all else fails, Wikipedia pulls through (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine#Books). I'm tempted to buy the audio books, just because Rene Auberjonois is full of awesome.

EDIT: Here is the entry that specifically deals with the Deep Space Nine Relaunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Nine_relaunch) series of novels.

I really wish I could get into books like these, but they always feel like fan fiction to me. And if something official came out, and they had to ignore something in the books, you know they would without even thinking about it.

Someone on another message board had the idea for the next series. It was kind of like an x-files type show, where you had a team that investigated all the odd things that happen in the Star Trek universe. With this format you could have episodes about new topics, and other where they cover mysteries that happened in shows we've already seen (like where Wil Wheton and Sisko are). I'd watch that show in a second. Then again I'm a dork.

Johan
08-14-2006, 06:41 PM
I agree. Just as long as Ben Affleck is nowhere to be seen. I think Damon is an excellent actor and could play a young Kirk very well.

Just what I was thinking...those two have gone their separate ways in terms of actual acting skill/quality, that's for sure. Damon actually acts; Affleck just looks pretty for the paparrazzi.

Thenetcase
08-14-2006, 07:05 PM
<aol attitude>
Gimme a fuckin' trailer or stfu.
</aol attitude>

Nice image. I can make an image that nice too... Doesn't prove shit.

-TNC-

DeathtollWRX
08-14-2006, 07:32 PM
This could be interesting. Kirk is great at one on one combat and Bourne Supremecy showed that Matt Damon can be cool in a fight.

Wasson_
08-14-2006, 07:34 PM
lol Affleck, acting?!

you have obviously not accidentally seen the first few minutes of that mind-numbing "holiday comedy" he made with that guy from the Sopranos...

Spigot
08-14-2006, 08:35 PM
Someone on another message board had the idea for the next series. It was kind of like an x-files type show, where you had a team that investigated all the odd things that happen in the Star Trek universe. With this format you could have episodes about new topics, and other where they cover mysteries that happened in shows we've already seen (like where Wil Wheton and Sisko are). I'd watch that show in a second. Then again I'm a dork.
You know what? I'd be sitting there on the couch with you. The Star Trek universe has a lot of potential for something like this. They just need to be willing to step out of the standard Star Trek dynamic. It would really flesh out the universe and be a little less silly in terms of why they're always bumping into unexplained, never-before-witnessed events.

And DS9 FTW. I never watched it when it originally aired but I got hooked on it during the whole dominion war when I caught it in reruns. That's where it really took off, in my opinion.

Banacek
08-14-2006, 09:14 PM
You know what? I'd be sitting there on the couch with you. The Star Trek universe has a lot of potential for something like this. They just need to be willing to step out of the standard Star Trek dynamic. It would really flesh out the universe and be a little less silly in terms of why they're always bumping into unexplained, never-before-witnessed events.

And DS9 FTW. I never watched it when it originally aired but I got hooked on it during the whole dominion war when I caught it in reruns. That's where it really took off, in my opinion.

Between this and our love of Disaster Report I think we might be long lost brothers or something :)

Spigot
08-14-2006, 09:15 PM
Between this and our love of Disaster Report I think we might be long lost brothers or something :)
You, me and TrackZero must have all come from the same cloning pod.

[VSK]BadCRC
08-14-2006, 09:58 PM
And DS9 FTW. I never watched it when it originally aired but I got hooked on it during the whole dominion war when I caught it in reruns. That's where it really took off, in my opinion.

Okay, I'm stupid when it comes to DS9, I never did watch it, it was like taking all the political scenes from Starwars and turning it into 45 minute short films, just wasn't my style.

But I know that in Voyager the Doctor is sent back to the Alpha quadrant, briefly, to relay a message for Voyager. He meets up with another holographic doctor on a hijacked Federation ship that was some new class of ship. Voyager's doctor asked the other doctor if the Federation were at war with the Romulans, to which he replied that no they weren't, but interjected something about the Dominion war, like sinse the Dominion war was over or something, that they weren't at war with them anymore.

But when did the Dominion war take place? The doctor was oblivious of it, Voyager was gone for seven years in the Delta Quadrant, And it wasn't going on before they left, as Voyager left Deep Space 9 on their way to the Badlands in the first episode, so, seriously, wtf. When did this war happen?

Spigot
08-14-2006, 11:29 PM
I think that Voyager left DS9 before the Dominion war started. After that, they wouldn't have had any idea about what was going on back in Alpha.

The Dominion War was very interesting for me because you got to see what the Federation was like when it was actually at war. It wasn't just the usual regional conflicts you saw flaring up on the Neutral Zone or during a Klingon wedding. It was something BIG and it really changed the usual dynamic of a Star Trek series. The closest we ever really got to a big war in Next Gen, for example, was during the assault on the borg cube when Picard got assimilated and half the fleet got wiped out.

The Dominion War was also pretty neat from a socio-political standpoint because amongst all the cool battle scenes we also had all sorts of espionage, double-crosses, religious rhetoric and the various factions within each side quibbling.

If only the Star Wars political bits were half as interesting as the DS9 machinations. Those parts might have been watchable then.

I'm sure I'm garbling all sorts of details about the Dominion War, but those are my hazy recollections about that part of the series. The characters really started to shine at that point. They also added Worf to the cast at this point and while I usually LOATHE anything to do with the Klingons, DS9 actually made them interesting and I actually looked forward to the scenes with them. For me, that takes some somewhat decent writing (I always thought the Klingon episodes of TNG were the weakest).