OPM Editor Chooses 360 Over PS3 This November

[Kefkataran]

Found via Digg (http://www.digg.com). I'm gonna let OPM editor Dana Jongewaard's 1Up blog post (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7344653&publicUserId=5380375) speak for itself here:


$600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time. And most of the big guns--FFXIII, MGS4--won't be hitting for quite some time after the launch...

So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what--for me at least--will be a very similar experience for $400. I would like to own a PS3, and I hope that the price drops soon so I can consider it. But until then, this Official PlayStation Magazine editor will have to join the dark side.

My prediction: This thread's going to get ugly. Let the flame wars begin anew. /duck

[Norse]

I love ugly threads.

This isn't shocking. She is just using her brains. Nobody can justify spending $600 on a console, at least not anyone remotely sane.

[ldi222]

The Sony demise is more pronounced than I could ever have hoped for. However even now with all the negative press its hard to underestimate the power of the Playstation brand. Forcing consumers to adopt the blu ray standard along with the hubris of the cell processor is reaping the rewards sewed years ago.

[Captain Awesome]

http://www.stuntteam.nl/images/stunts/BSArgos1.jpg

[Kefkataran]

I should point out before anyone calls me biased that I am very certainly planning to buy a PS3 as soon as I can afford it. I may sell my WoW account to do so.

[flinxz]

I should point out before anyone calls me biased that I am very certainly planning to buy a PS3 as soon as I can afford it. I may sell my WoW account to do so.

Wouldn't it take five WoW accounts?

[Heretic Machine]

...Wait, I'm confused. I thought OPM (Official Playstation Magazine) was owned by Sony. Is this guy going to have a job tomarrow?

[Feltoar]

I like how she considers the Playstation the light side. lol.

[Banacek]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/434/torchheadms9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Flame on!!!

[Kefkataran]

Wouldn't it take five WoW accounts?

Well, yeah. But selling my one would help a lot, at least.

...Wait, I'm confused. I thought OPM (Official Playstation Magazine) was owned by Sony. Is this guy going to have a job tomarrow?

Girl, not guy. And OPM isn't owned by Sony, they're owned by Ziff Davis. They just have some sort of contract with Sony, the same way Games for Windows has a contract with Microsoft. As far as whether or not she'll have a job -- well, obviously Sony won't be pleased about this assuming some Sony execs read it, but I can't see her actually losing the job unless there's some very specific (and ridiculous, bullshit-filled) parts of the contract about what the people can say in their personal blogs.

[pseudopseudo]

...Wait, I'm confused. I thought OPM (Official Playstation Magazine) was owned by Sony. Is this guy going to have a job tomarrow?
If I remember correctly, Ziff-Davis owns it, and shells out the big bucks to have the "Official" title for the magazine.

So yes, she'll have a job tomorrow.

[Kefkataran]

If I remember correctly, Ziff-Davis owns it, and shells out the big bucks to have the "Official" title for the magazine.

I doubt Ziff-Davis pays anything to have the "Official" title. I mean, it's possible but unlikely.

[pseudopseudo]

I doubt Ziff-Davis pays anything to have the "Official" title. I mean, it's possible but unlikely.
I could've sworn I heard Garnett say something about Z-D paying "the big bucks" to use that title on one of the 1Up Yours podcasts. But he very well could've been joking, too. I'm not sure.

[Vanthar]

I can spend $600 on a console if it gives me fun.

[Kefkataran]

I could've sworn I heard Garnett say something about Z-D paying "the big bucks" to use that title on one of the 1Up Yours podcasts. But he very well could've been joking, too. I'm not sure.

I'd guess he was joking. Again, it's possible, but it's unlikely. I know they aren't doing that for Games for Windows, and it seems unlikely that Z-D would have the money, especially during the couple of down years they're just now coming out of.

I can spend $600 on a console if it gives me fun.

Truth.

[Xenkylm]

I can spend $600 on a console if it gives me fun.

I can spend $600 if it's the ONLY console that can give me fun.

So has there ever been such controversy over a console prior to its release, and has it ever actually panned out to be a failure? It seems like the tables were completely reversed for PSP vs. DS, and we all know how that turned out. I think sony should probably fire everyone involved with PR for the PS3, but they could still end up coming out on top if they let their games speak for the console, as the DS did.

[Kefkataran]

So has there ever been such controversy over a console prior to its release, and has it ever actually panned out to be a failure?

Probably not quite this huge, if only because this is the first time such a high-priced console (compared to the others currently available) has been coming out during the age of the internet forum where "controversy" like this can exist. But you're totally right -- Sony could still come out on top if they have the games to back them up.

[pseudopseudo]

I can spend $600 if it's the ONLY console that can give me fun.

So has there ever been such controversy over a console prior to its release, and has it ever actually panned out to be a failure? It seems like the tables were completely reversed for PSP vs. DS, and we all know how that turned out. I think sony should probably fire everyone involved with PR for the PS3, but they could still end up coming out on top if they let their games speak for the console, as the DS did.
Like was said earlier in the thread, there is an INCREDIBLE amount of clout in the Playstation name, and Sony knows this. The PS3 will sell no matter what, because people have had positive experiences with both the PSOne AND the PS2. Yeah, the sticker price will be a bitch, but people WILL save up and get one, mostly based on prior experiences with Sony products.

Sony can get all the negative press in the world, but they'll still sell at the very least a MODERATE amount of units.

[Rirath]

Sony can get all the negative press in the world, but they'll still sell at the very least a MODERATE amount of units.

Agreed, especially in Japan from what I see, but it's a dang shame I won't be one. I'd love to be there, if they just would have matched the 360's price. Even if they HAD matched the $300/$400 Core/Premium rate though, I still wouldn't have bought one until it had some good games out.

But I didn't buy my 360 until last March either, even if that was partially due to availability. I haven't bought the majority of my consoles / handhelds until at least the first price drop. Exceptions include the Dreamcast, PSP, technically the DS Lite, and hopefully the Nintendo Wii.

[Banacek]

Agreed, especially in Japan from what I see, but it's a dang shame I won't be one. I'd love to be there, if they just would have matched the 360's price. Even if they HAD matched the $300/$400 Core/Premium rate though, I still wouldn't have bought one until it had some good games out.

But I didn't buy my 360 until last March either, even if that was partially due to availability.

If the PS3 was at the same price structure ($300/$400) that the 360 was at, EVERYONE would be lining up for one. Me included.

[Zeal]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7341/tsung2wi4le1.jpg

[Banacek]

hahaha, Zeal proves that he is the new Jesus.

[Borys]

Wow, I mean wow, this is something you don't see everyday.

It's like Gates/ Allard/ Ballmer coming on stage and basically saying "Don't buy Zune, it's shit, get an iPod instead!"

Oh, and it's another link for Retarded's sig.

[Wedge]

I love ugly threads.

This isn't shocking. She is just using her brains. Nobody can justify spending $600 on a console, at least not anyone remotely sane.

I'd happily pay $600 for a PS3. 6000+++NOK (approx $950)on the other hand...

[zyzyx]

I bet it's all a ploy to get Sony to send her a HD Telly and a PS3 at launch to shut her up.

[Sazime]

My roommate makes more money than I do, and he wants a PS3. He can buy it. I'll wait till I move out and I HAVE to buy one for myself.

[Murtaug]

While it is odd that the editor of the Official Playstation Magazine would say this...

Has anyone taken into account that come November, sooner really, she'll have a Playstation 3 regardless if she buys one or not? It's the editor of the Official freaking Playstation Magazine. Sure, you expect some brand loyalty, but she is going to have plenty of access to the system and more than likely any game for it a person could want.

I would buy a 360 were I in her position too.

[Watership]

Agreed, especially in Japan from what I see, but it's a dang shame I won't be one. I'd love to be there, if they just would have matched the 360's price. Even if they HAD matched the $300/$400 Core/Premium rate though, I still wouldn't have bought one until it had some good games out.

But I didn't buy my 360 until last March either, even if that was partially due to availability. I haven't bought the majority of my consoles / handhelds until at least the first price drop. Exceptions include the Dreamcast, PSP, technically the DS Lite, and hopefully the Nintendo Wii.

The 360 still has an uphill battle and the PS3 has only to fall. It comes down the branding and Sony still owns it. I still know people who won't buy any Microsoft Products and won't even consider a 360 regardless of how well it's made or the quality of the software.

The good thing about the Sony PS3 delay, and the price point of 600 dollars, i s that more people who would shy away from a 360, bought one, and were shocked to find out that its not a piece of shit.

[Chameleo]

While it is odd that the editor of the Official Playstation Magazine would say this...

Has anyone taken into account that come November, sooner really, she'll have a Playstation 3 regardless if she buys one or not? It's the editor of the Official freaking Playstation Magazine. Sure, you expect some brand loyalty, but she is going to have plenty of access to the system and more than likely any game for it a person could want.

I would buy a 360 were I in her position too.

how can you edit a fucking magazine about a console you don't own?!

she *must* have it - its in her goddamn job description. this is probably her just asking for a free one...

[Paranoia]

I'm not sure why people are upset that most gamers think $500/$600 is expensive.

[niakori]

Somewhere near a grand is, unless you're just buying a console and no games. Are you?

[easi]

Dana is a man's name too. Could be a guy. Or a girl.

[LilAbner]

Dana is a man's name too. Could be a guy. Or a girl.

OMG, read HER profile and look at the pic!!

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

This is as significant as anyone else choosing Sony or ***[or Nintendo] on this site...

[Sl1pstream]

how can you edit a fucking magazine about a console you don't own?!

she *must* have it - its in her goddamn job description. this is probably her just asking for a free one...

Wouldn't she get one for free anyway? If it's her job, I'd imagine the company that publishes the magazine would provide them with a few systems, if Sony doesn't before launch. They do need to review/preview games before the system is in stores. It's not like they have to pay out of their own pocket for the machines they use to review games.

[dhaelis]

Wouldn't she get one for free anyway?

From her blog...

Contrary to popular belief, editors of the Official PlayStation Magazine don't get free hardware for their own personal use.

So no, apparently they don't get free hardware.

[bapenguin]

So no, apparently they don't get free hardware.

That's just bad PR on Sony's part. Sony just doesn't get it.

I wonder if she made this blog post just to stir the pot a bit? Gain some attention.

[snugglebearofdeath]

OK, you're all pissing me off!! I came to this thread to see some out and out fanboy panty ranting, name calling, and completely illogical, emotionally twisted opinions based on an enormous lack of self image posted. What do I get instead? Logical Discussion.

DON'T MAKE ME START TYPING IN CAPS!!!

[Heretic Machine]

They don't get free hardware for personal use. That means that they don't get units that they can take home with them. I'm sure they'll have more than a few sitting around the office, supplied by Ziff-Davis or Sony.

[vash]

OK, you're all pissing me off!! I came to this thread to see some out and out fanboy panty ranting, name calling, and completely illogical, emotionally twisted opinions based on an enormous lack of self image posted. What do I get instead? Logical Discussion.

DON'T MAKE ME START TYPING IN CAPS!!!

i lol'd in RL! ^^

[Ravenlock]

Yes, Sony has an incredible amount of power behind their name, and yes, they'll still sell plenty of PS3's, but I really can't remember the last time a game console company took such a beating in the public opinion department.

I mean, before the PSP and DS came out, it was common knowledge that Sony still owned the gaming industry, with MS lagging behind with the XBox and Nintendo pulling up the rear in a distant third.

Less than 2 years later, the PSP is nowhere near as successful as the DS, critically or financially, Sony's E3 presentation was practically outright mocked by pretty much every major gaming publication (online or off), and everyone from Microsoft to, now, the editor of a Playstation-focused magazine is saying they'd rather get an X360 or a Wii or both.

No matter how the PS3 does, it seems it won't be nearly as well as any of us would've expected it to do if you'd asked a year ago. Sony's screwed up the PR angle of pretty much everything they've done recently with pretty amazing consistency.

Nintendo and MS are loving it, though, that's for damn sure.

[Sl1pstream]

They don't get free hardware for personal use. That means that they don't get units that they can take home with them. I'm sure they'll have more than a few sitting around the office, supplied by ZF or Sony.

Exactly.

10 words and stuff

[eeje13]

... Sony's E3 presentation was practically outright mocked by pretty much every major gaming publication (online or off)...

Mocked in games now, too.

http://pics.livejournal.com/eeje13/pic/00049gke.jpg
(This is a screenshot from Contact for the DS.)

[Rook34]

It should be interesting when the time hits for the PS3 to be out, and people line up to stores to get it, only to find out only the first 10 or so got some. Will they turn around and then buy a Wii or an Xbox360 with their money? I was told in our stores that if we're lucky, most GS's in our area may only get 10 tops... Ruh-Roh!

[Ravenlock]

Mocked in games now, too.
<picture>
(This is a screenshot from Contact for the DS.)Heheh. I love Atlus.

Definitely picking Contact up.

[KidCactus]

It should be interesting when the time hits for the PS3 to be out, and people line up to stores to get it, only to find out only the first 10 or so got some. Will they turn around and then buy a Wii or an Xbox360 with their money? I was told in our stores that if we're lucky, most GS's in our area may only get 10 tops... Ruh-Roh!
I really don't see people that has been waiting this long and actually lining up outside a store for a PS3 would settle for anything else. If they had wanted a 360 they would have bought one earlier. And I don't see them picking up a Wii as a substitute either.

[Draft]

finally some good news for sony!

[drakkarim]

looks like someone got their panties up in a bunch because they didn't get exclusivity on some 'reporting'.

either way, why would I care for a single second what an editor of a playstation magazine thinks about the playstation?

next you'll expect me to watch/care about commercials....

[Bishop]

Sony can get all the negative press in the world, but they'll still sell at the very least a MODERATE amount of units.

Negative Press or Positive Press, its still Press. It gets people talking, it got us talking, about the system. Sony knows if it can get people talking than their curiousity will be pricked and that well get the not so console-savvy buyer in the stores to have a look and then............BANG, mom I want one, my friend jimmy got one and systems start to get sold.

[antoniogaud]

looks like someone got their panties up in a bunch because they didn't get exclusivity on some 'reporting'.

either way, why would I care for a single second what an editor of a playstation magazine thinks about the playstation?

next you'll expect me to watch/care about commercials....

Wow, you managed to sound incredibly sexist, ignorant, and obnoxious all in one post! I'd give you Xbox Live Accomplishment Points but you probably dont have an Xbox do you?

[Mac]

Wow, I mean wow, this is something you don't see everyday.

It's like Gates/ Allard/ Ballmer coming on stage and basically saying "Don't buy Zune, it's shit, get an iPod instead!"

Oh, and it's another link for Retarded's sig.

What? No it's not. It's not like that at all.

In reality, it'd be like an editor for the OXM, OPM's doppelganger, coming out and saying his XBOX 360 was going on eBay to save for a PS3.

lol, where did that Gates/Allard/Ballmer line come from?

[antoniogaud]

Whatever it is, its bad. Frankly she is very brave for speaking her mind - most people would have been afraid of saying what they really thought. We have to give her credit for that. I hope she does stay at OPM because at least now I know she can be trusted.

[RMan]

Anyone who compares the PS3 to the Xbox and says it's $600 is an idiot, a liar, or is uninformed. Skimmed through it, pretty funny really, she says she doesn’t really need the movie player, or care about the high quality stuff, but apparently must have the high end version of the system designed for people who do. Pretty darn stupid. You gotta seriously question the usefulness of a magazine where it’s editors are that misinformed or intentionally misleading people.

[jacktion]

I can spend $600 on a console if it gives me fun.

If I spend $600 on a console it better give me head.

[NeoSuplex]

I'm really starting to doubt that Sony's brand name can really save them... The thing that worrys me is their tech's reputation. DRE, Dead Pixels, Overheating... their products have all seen their share of technical problems. Add that to a System that runs at least half a grand (although whether its a better deal or not, people that buy Sony based solely on brand or early adoption aren't likely to see a $500 option) and the problems compound. Then consider all of the proprietary tech that's going into the system... It just doesn't bode well.

I think worst case senario is that Sony damages their reputaion across all Electronics if they aren't careful. People are not going to take it lightly if their 600$ systems start going belly up too soon after purchase and after warrentee.

[Kelegacy]

I love ugly threads.

This isn't shocking. She is just using her brains. Nobody can justify spending $600 on a console, at least not anyone remotely sane.
No shit. Good thing the console is only 499!!

[Reanimated]

LMAO, even the biggest sony shills in the industry are going to 360. I mean I guess it's only natural, because she does make a great point. I mean what kind of moron pays 600 dollars for a launch lineup that looks even worse than PS2's? Paying out that kind of cash to play generic looking shit like Resistance for a year on buggy launch hardware is absurd.

Thanks for the new sig material, Dana. :cool:

[Captain Awesome]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/06/large-ps3.JPG

Can you blame her? anyone not over 150 lbs, will have their back broken. :mad:

[Flatpicker]

Being one of those people who believes that the specialist media can make or break a console. And convinced that the media killed the Dreamcast before the ps2 came out, I wonder if the gaming media have decided that moving their opinions away from the ps3 to the 360 and wii will help generate mag sales for the upcoming year?

[RMan]

LMAO, even the biggest sony shills in the industry are going to 360. I mean I guess it's only natural, because she does make a great point. I mean what kind of moron pays 600 dollars for a launch lineup that looks even worse than PS2's?
Hehe, the kind of moron that can't read, like yourself. It's $500, and you know it, and likely she knows it too. Lots of stuff flies around the net, the vast majority of those talking about it know what the system costs, but one irresponsible journalist ignores the $500 price tag and you’re all giddy. Seriously, you call someone else a shill? Just some funny stuff here, kinda sad, but still funny.

[Reanimated]

Hehe, the kind of moron that can't read, like yourself. It's $500, and you know it, and likely she knows it too. Lots of stuff flies around the net, the vast majority of those talking about it know what the system costs, but one irresponsible journalist ignores the $500 price tag and you’re all giddy. Seriously, you call someone else a shill? Just some funny stuff here, kinda sad, but still funny.




Sorry genius, but when you add in a game and tax on those two items, the cost of entry is 600 dollars no matter how you slice it (vs 378 dollars for 360). Unless you're planning on picking up a PS3 and just staring at the box, which, actually, for an idiot like yourself wouldn't surprise me, lol. Not to mention the fact that only an idiot would seriously consider the PS3 tard pack an option.

[RMan]

Sorry genius, but when you add in a game and tax on those two items, the cost of entry is 600 dollars no matter how you slice it (vs 378 dollars for 360). Unless you're planning on picking up a PS3 and just staring at the box, which, actually, for an idiot like yourself wouldn't surprise me, lol. Not to mention the fact that only an idiot would seriously consider the PS3 tard pack an option.
Oh boy, is it Christmas already? Ok, she wasn’t talking about an extra game or any other peripheral, just the console, and we all know there are taxes, but they were also not being discussed. I agree, if you start adding unrelated items to a $500 price tag, it will eventually hit $600, as well as any higher number, but that’s still a stupid argument and does not change the MSRP of either system. The PS3 doesn’t have a ‘tard pack’, it has a normal and premium version, the 360 has a ‘tard pack’ (which in your calculations you failed to add the memory card to the core 360, unless you are one of those idiots who doesn’t save games). The core 360 doesn’t have the HD, the PS3 does, and it doesn’t allow access to the online marketplace, the PS3 does, and there are games that won’t run on the core 360 (at least I’ve seen many mentions of this), the PS3 will not have this problem. The PS3 ‘tard pack’ as you call it is still superior to the premium 360, so calling it a ‘tard pack’ isn’t exactly complimenting your beloved system.

[Johan]

I'm no Sony fanboy, but they're going to sell out for the first six months, regardless of what they do, what games are available, what the press/bloggers/forums say; they will sell out for the first six months. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an anti-Sony fanboy and/or is blind/oblivious.

The real battle begins holidays '07 when all three systems are out, are widely available, and have a decent library of games out as well. Until then, this is all smoke and mirrors and much ado about nothing.

[Banacek]

Oh boy, is it Christmas already? Ok, she wasn’t talking about an extra game or any other peripheral, just the console, and we all know there are taxes, but they were also not being discussed. I agree, if you start adding unrelated items to a $500 price tag, it will eventually hit $600, as well as any higher number, but that’s still a stupid argument and does not change the MSRP of either system. The PS3 doesn’t have a ‘tard pack’, it has a normal and premium version, the 360 has a ‘tard pack’ (which in your calculations you failed to add the memory card to the core 360, unless you are one of those idiots who doesn’t save games). The core 360 doesn’t have the HD, the PS3 does, and it doesn’t allow access to the online marketplace, the PS3 does, and there are games that won’t run on the core 360 (at least I’ve seen many mentions of this), the PS3 will not have this problem. The PS3 ‘tard pack’ as you call it is still superior to the premium 360, so calling it a ‘tard pack’ isn’t exactly complimenting your beloved system.

Dude, don't waste your time. Arguing with Reanimated in PS3 threads is the same as punching yourself in the balls.

[Reanimated]

UNRELATED items?

LMFAO

So I guess you're in the habit of buying systems with no games, huh? I guess that actually makes sense, considering how dense you are. I noted the cost of entry for both systems in fairness. The simple fact of the matter is that the cost of entry is OVER 600 dollars for PS3. There's no spinning that. In order to walk home with just one of the generic looking launch titles on launch day, it's going to cost you about $612.80. So the fact that she said 600 is right on the money, because that's the absolute bottom-line cost, unless you plan to sit and stare at an empty massive george-foreman-grill-looking black box on launch day.

I'm glad you agree that games are "unrelated" to the PS3 though, because the PS3 was most definitely not built for gaming.

[bean19]

I really don't see people that has been waiting this long and actually lining up outside a store for a PS3 would settle for anything else. If they had wanted a 360 they would have bought one earlier. And I don't see them picking up a Wii as a substitute either.

I think you are probalby right about the diehard Sony fanboys, but gamers who owned all of the systems, or more than one last generation will probably get a 360 or a Wii (or both - it's the same cost as one PS3). Plus, parents will get a 360 or a Wii when it becomes apparent that they can't find a PS3 and/or that the PS3 and one game will cost them over $600 or $700 depending on which system they get.

These are all things that have been said a million times already. . . It's interesting that someone who writes for OPM is getting a 360 for personal use and for all the reasons that so many other people (including myself) are not getting a PS3 at launch, but the discussion in this thread is just the same old crap (with some pretty funny jokes and pics mixed in). :)

[Mac]

Sorry genius, but when you add in a game and tax on those two items, the cost of entry is 600 dollars no matter how you slice it (vs 378 dollars for 360). Unless you're planning on picking up a PS3 and just staring at the box, which, actually, for an idiot like yourself wouldn't surprise me, lol. Not to mention the fact that only an idiot would seriously consider the PS3 tard pack an option.

Who the hell does this guy think he is? Jesus Christ, talking to somebody like that where I'm from gets you your ass kicked.

Sheesh, what a dickhead.

[Banacek]

Who the hell does this guy think he is? Jesus Christ, talking to somebody like that where I'm from gets you your ass kicked.

Sheesh, what a dickhead.

Exactly. Reanimated has what I like to call "internet balls". Kind of like liquid balls, but without the joy of drinking. He's not even a fanboy anyone. He's just a douchebag. Dude needs to get out of the house more.

[RMan]

Dude, don't waste your time. Arguing with Reanimated in PS3 threads is the same as punching yourself in the balls.
Hehe, I agree with the futility of it, but it's a little more fun than what you describe (although admittedly I'm making an assumption, I'm not willing to test my theory :)). But yea, it's already gotten boring, just that sometimes I'm a sucker for an easy target (I think most already know what he's about).

Seriously, though, on a slightly unrelated topic, it really seems to me people and the media are taking sides more now than they used to. I kinda think that the same kind of polarization that goes on with politics is happening here, at some level people just need something to fight about, and the media tries to attract and cultivate this competitive element. I mean, that's about the only way besides being viral marketing shills that you can explain people like Reanimated and Zeal, since there's hardly a significant difference between these two systems or company’s goals/methods. It's amusing sometimes, but somewhat disturbing because, like politics, eventually few people strive to speak the truth because it's not controversial enough.

[Mac]

lol, what blows my mind is that someone can get behind a company and product more fervantly than you see some support a sports team.

Sometimes it's like a damn circus here.

[Xenkylm]

...there's hardly a significant difference between these two systems ...

b....bbbut....but BLU RAY!

[Captain Awesome]

lol, what blows my mind is that someone can get behind a company and product more fervantly than you see some support a sports team.

Sometimes it's like a damn circus here.

Its really impressive to me aswell. I find that after the first Playstation. Alot of this console fan behavior is alot more agressive and very, very negative. I guess I thought people stopped caring about brands considering the amounts of variety out there now-a-days. All it's done is categorize people into these very hardcore followers of corporate names and bodies. Which I find very childish and idiotic. It's like people arguing who has the better pair of shoes.

I also think this sums up the people you're talking about http://www.foxbert.com/wiki/upload/f/f2/Ronnie_calls_a_Hothead.mp3


:D

[Montolio]

As a 1UP Yours podcast listener I can't help but think - eat that shit Shane Bettenhausen :D

I can't wait to hear how he drones on tyring to explain this little news item and on his own network to. I wonder if they'll have the balls to invite Dana to the show. At some point maybe he'll start choking down a little truth like his fellow editor. I love it when people speak their mind and leave the PR fluff to the side.

[dragntyr]

Wow, I actually had a good laugh reading that post. Although, I wonder if she can keep her job after saying that. Imagine if the editor of say Nintendo Power came out and said that the Wii is going to totally suck, do you think he/she would keep their job?

[Reanimated]

As a 1UP Yours podcast listener I can't help but think - eat that shit Shane Bettenhausen :D

I can't wait to hear how he drones on tyring to explain this little news item and on his own network to. I wonder if they'll have the balls to invite Dana to the show. At some point maybe he'll start choking down a little truth like his fellow editor. I love it when people speak their mind and leave the PR fluff to the side.




God he is such a douche. It's pathetic that a supposedly "unbiased" publication keeps such a blatant troll/company shill on the payroll.

[J Arcane]

The $500 PS3 is a joke, and a non-point. What the bloody hell good is saving that $100 if it means I'm getting an intentionally crippled console?

Say I decide in the future I want wireless support on my cheapo PS3? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

Or how about when all the Blu-Ray discs start coming out that require HDMI, or they'll downgrade your signal to 480p? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

The lowend 360, while a suckers bet in itself, could still be upgraded to add the HD later on, and for the same price as the difference between the two models.

So save the crowing about the $500 price.

[dragntyr]

God he is such a douche. It's pathetic that a supposedly "unbiased" publication keeps such a blatant troll/company shill on the payroll.


Coming from you, the dark prince of trolldom. :confused:

[Reanimated]

The $500 PS3 is a joke, and a non-point. What the bloody hell good is saving that $100 if it means I'm getting an intentionally crippled console?

Say I decide in the future I want wireless support on my cheapo PS3? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

Or how about when all the Blu-Ray discs start coming out that require HDMI, or they'll downgrade your signal to 480p? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

The lowend 360, while a suckers bet in itself, could still be upgraded to add the HD later on, and for the same price as the difference between the two models.

So save the crowing about the $500 price.



Shhhhh. Don't use your brain here - that's against the rules. Just swallow the company line act like a zombie.

[Reanimated]

Coming from you, the dark prince of trolldom. :confused:



I'm not employed by a news publication.

[Captain Awesome]

Wow, I actually had a good laugh reading that post. Although, I wonder if she can keep her job after saying that. Imagine if the editor of say Nintendo Power came out and said that the Wii is going to totally suck, do you think he/she would keep their job?

But she never said once that the PS3 "sucked" that's the difference. She just stated that her holding off on getting one on launch is because of a few reasons that don't bait her qualities. For now, she can wait and hold off until it either lowers in price or gets titles she really wants.

Why would she lose her job for stating something like this? The only thing that might of come off as "aggressive" in her post is that she's not into audio and video like some people are to validate her purchase.

[Kelegacy]

Sorry genius, but when you add in a game and tax on those two items, the cost of entry is 600 dollars no matter how you slice it (vs 378 dollars for 360). Unless you're planning on picking up a PS3 and just staring at the box, which, actually, for an idiot like yourself wouldn't surprise me, lol. Not to mention the fact that only an idiot would seriously consider the PS3 tard pack an option.
You're going to need at least a 40 memory card for that core 360. And you don't get wireless controllers. Or HD cables. The Core was a friggin' ripoff, but I know more than enough fools that bought it and upgraded it, costing them near 500 bucks, and that's before you even purchase a game.

The PS3 core isn't upgradable with HDMI (or, so the rumor goes for now) but at least the core has everything the 360 Premium offers and then some. WiFi would have been nice, but I don't use it. HDMI would have been nice but I don't use it, and I don't believe my TV has an output. Memory Card slots would be nice, but I'll never use them if I have a HDD. So, in essence, that 600 dollar PS3 has 100 bucks of extra stuff I'll never use.

The PS3 will run people about $588 including tax and a game (that's 5%, here in Maine). I spent over 500 on the 360 with a game and Play and Charge. The price difference isn't that monumental, but it is more. If people could justify a 360 purchase, I'm sure they can just as easily justify a PS3.

[Kelegacy]

The $500 PS3 is a joke, and a non-point. What the bloody hell good is saving that $100 if it means I'm getting an intentionally crippled console?

Say I decide in the future I want wireless support on my cheapo PS3? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

Or how about when all the Blu-Ray discs start coming out that require HDMI, or they'll downgrade your signal to 480p? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

The lowend 360, while a suckers bet in itself, could still be upgraded to add the HD later on, and for the same price as the difference between the two models.

So save the crowing about the $500 price.

Is your premium 360 crippled because it doesn't have the things the Premium PS3 will have?

People need to get your acts together and think with sense.

[J Arcane]

No, because a Core 360 can be upgraded to have all of the features of the Premium.

The lowend PS3 can't. Ever.

It's a really simple concept.

[Banacek]

More importantly, your sales tax is only 5%? Damn...

[Xenkylm]

Is your premium 360 crippled because it doesn't have the things the Premium PS3 will have?

People need to get your acts together and think with sense.

guys, guys, guys! They're BOTH crippled, because neither one has a Wiimote!!!

[RMan]

b....bbbut....but BLU RAY!
Hehe, yea, anyone wants to complain about that, go right ahead, I'll jump on the train with ya. Having to pay an extra $100 for a bluray player sucks, but it's still only $100, not $200. Still, as much as people deride the usefulness of BR (myself included) I’m sure many of them are also thinking ‘Well, if BR disks are close to the cost of DVDs, I’d sure rather buy a high definition version of whatever I’m buying.’. Once that thought enters your mind, that extra $100 doesn’t sound so useless. Anyway, I’m used to companies deciding what elements of a console are valuable to me, that’s their job (heck, I don’t care about wireless controllers in general, but I’m going to pay for them eventually), but I’m not buying the 360 or the PS3 until they bring some interesting games (at least one) to the table.

[Reanimated]

The PS3 will run people about $588 including tax and a game (that's 5%, here in Maine). I spent over 500 on the 360 with a game and Play and Charge. The price difference isn't that monumental, but it is more. If people could justify a 360 purchase, I'm sure they can just as easily justify a PS3.



Hey, let's throw in a bunch of extra shit for spin-doctoring. :rolleyes:

Bottom line current cost of entry on these systems for the system and a game, which is all anyone needs to get started:

360:

$368.98 (not couting tax, as it will differ from state to state. Also taking into consideration that most of the launch titles are now 29.99. Also counting a memory card.)
or
429.98



PS3:

559.98
or
659.98


In any event, the point is that her saying "600 dollars" is in no way off the mark. It is, in fact, highly accurate - especially when you add in the tax, which will be anywhere from 5-10% depending on the state. So really, when people talk about the cost of PS3, they really ought to be talking about a 6-700 dollar cost rather than a 5-600 dollar cost. Trying to spin doctor it down to look like a bargain is a bit absurd.

[Kelegacy]

No, because a Core 360 can be upgraded to have all of the features of the Premium.

The lowend PS3 can't. Ever.

It's a really simple concept.
I'm talking about the Premium 360 vs. Premium PS3. No memory card reader on the 360 makes it crippled? No built-in WiFi? No HDMI?

And the HDMI on the PS3 is the only thing not upgradable. There is even Memory Card reader and WiFi adapters coming to the PS3. If HDMI's a huge dealbreaker for you, get out of videogaming.

[GunnyMo]

I'm looking forward to the backlash on PS3 when the broken systems start showing up right after launch. With Sony's horrible track record for making working systems the PS3 launch should be a lot of fun. Using a PS2 as an exclusive DVD player caused it to break faster than Kutaragi could PR spin. Why would BR on PS3 be any different?

For a $400 system the complaints about broken systems were loud; for a $600 system they will be deafening.

And, for my two cents, with PS3's lousy launch line up I have no interest in fighting crowds to try and get one at launch or even within the first year. I'll pick one up eventually but there is no hurry on my part. I know there are a lot of people thinking the same thing.

The thinking that when grandma can't buy a PS3 for little Johnny this Xmas she won't buy a 360/Wii is way off base. Retailers will be dedicating a lot of marketing towards this. "Can't find a PS3? Try out a 360 or Wii!" There will be plenty of 360s and Wiis (if Nintendos numbers can be believed at 5 million). So, with their $600 price tag and extremely limited availability, PS3 will lose a lot of market share this holiday and have even more catching up to do. Example: Five people come to Best Buy to buy a PS3. Only one system available. Out of the remaining four people, two buy a 360. MS has already sold twice as many systems as Sony.

[Reanimated]

Let me also add that the 360 was too fucking expensive for a console in the first place, but at least it was an incremental price jump that was stomachable. For another console to come in EVEN HIGHER (MUCH higher) is purely fucking ridiculous.

[Reanimated]

I'm looking forward to the backlash on PS3 when the broken systems start showing up right after launch. With Sony's horrible track record for making working systems the PS3 launch should be a lot of fun. Using a PS2 as an exclusive DVD player caused it to break faster than Kutaragi could PR spin. Why would BR on PS3 be any different?

For a $400 system the complaints about broken systems were loud; for a $600 system they will be deafening.

And, for my two cents, with PS3's lousy launch line up I have no interest in fighting crowds to try and get one at launch or even within the first year. I'll pick one up eventually but there is no hurry on my part. I know there are a lot of people thinking the same thing.

The thinking that when grandma can't buy a PS3 for little Johnny this Xmas she won't buy a 360/Wii is way off base. Retailers will be dedicating a lot of marketing towards this. "Can't find a PS3? Try out a 360 or Wii!" There will be plenty of 360s and Wiis (if Nintendos numbers can be believed at 5 million). So, with their $600 price tag and extremely limited availability, PS3 will lose a lot of market share this holiday and have even more catching up to do. Example: Five people come to Best Buy to buy a PS3. Only one system available. Out of the remaining four people, two buy a 360. MS has already sold twice as many systems as Sony.



I'm with you on all points here. Buying a first gen blu ray drive is sketchy at best. Throw in the fact that the Cell chip has been getting extremely low yields, and they're setting up for an extremely high defect rate. Even worse than the PS2 was.

I will also probably eventually get a PS3, but it won't be in the first 2 years. When the premium comes down to 300 dollars, and there are actually some decent games, then I'll consider a purchase.

[Khash]

Sony proving once again that they are their own worst enemy. Ya know, Sony really didn't have to do much to steamroll another console generation. All they had to do was release the PS3 pretty much as it is but with a DVD instead of Blu-Ray. Kaz Hirai would go up on stage at E3 and say "PS3 for $399!" and it would have been game-set-match Sony once again. Freaking morons...

[jpublic]

After being repeatedly burned by console manufacturers, I've come to the conclusion that I will *never* buy a console at launch again. I will wait until I see at least 3 killer *exclusive* games.

I got burned all those years ago on my PS2. I got burned on my PSP. I got burned on my X360.

No more.

[Jack B]

I've posted the upcoming PS3 and 360 titles on a number of occaisions. I agree with Dana, until Sony catches up with software titles, it's the inverse of the PS2 vs Xbox scenario. The 360 will have the dramatic lead in software titles.

It should be something list 160 titles to about 20 this holiday season. Thru next summer the 360 should still have a dramatic lead. Maybe by holiday season 2007 it might change, but if you look at the list of titles in development, the 360 has more listed as well.

Maybe their are a bunch of Japanese titles not listed, but otherwise the PS3 doesn't look to be catching up. If games are why we buy hardware (ie consoles) then the 360 will have the edge for quite a while yet.

[Reanimated]

I've posted the upcoming PS3 and 360 titles on a number of occaisions. I agree with Dana, until Sony catches up with software titles, it's the inverse of the PS2 vs Xbox scenario. The 360 will have the dramatic lead in software titles.

It should be something list 160 titles to about 20 this holiday season. Thru next summer the 360 should still have a dramatic lead. Maybe by holiday season 2007 it might change, but if you look at the list of titles in development, the 360 has more listed as well.

Maybe their are a bunch of Japanese titles not listed, but otherwise the PS3 doesn't look to be catching up. If games are why we buy hardware (ie consoles) then the 360 will have the edge for quite a while yet.




Also the 360 has already had a whole bunch of games drop to 39.99 and 29.99, so it's going to have a lot of quality software on the cheap as well.

[Johan]

I don't understand all the hostility over this...whether you like the PS3 or not, whether it has games or not, whether it even works or not, it will completely sell out for at least the first six months because of constrained supply and pent-up fanboy demand.

The real battle begins holiday '07, but feel free to flame each other over it all between now and then ;)

[ProfPuppet]

You know, there's not nearly the expected level of flaming going on here, so I have to toss this out.

http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/dvdburners/0,39029405,40091720,00.htm

(Of course, that's for their regular drives, not the PS3, but sshhhhh. When I get back home in a few hours I want to see screaming and ranting, people, not intelligent debate!) ;)

Anyway. For me, at least, I don't have the money for a PS3 when it comes out. Even if it did, I would wait a few months because first-generation hardware inevitably bites me in the ass, there are no exclusives that make my eyes bug out, and the price might drop.

[Kefkataran]

Has anyone taken into account that come November, sooner really, she'll have a Playstation 3 regardless if she buys one or not? It's the editor of the Official freaking Playstation Magazine. Sure, you expect some brand loyalty, but she is going to have plenty of access to the system and more than likely any game for it a person could want.

If you read just the first few lines of the post you'll find out that, no, she does not get a free PS3. Obviously she'll have access to one at work, but she will not own one.

Thanks for the new sig material, Dana.

You're a douchebag. For the record and all.

Not to mention the fact that only an idiot would seriously consider the PS3 tard pack an option.

A huge douchebag.

Arguing with Reanimated in PS3 threads is the same as punching yourself in the balls.

Talking with him at all, really. Hell, letting him into these threads. We're only hurting ourselves.

The lowend PS3 can't. Ever.

Prove. It. Everyone says this, but so far the only thing I've seen even remotely confirmed as being non-upgradeable is the HDMI, which is only going to matter to people who want to play BR discs on their PS3, which is not me. Everything else (and potentially even that), as far as we know right now, IS upgradeable. Save this bullshit until the release when we actually KNOW for sure.

[PsychoticVile]

The problem with the PS3 is the price and the fact that they are not only using a new gaming technology but also a new and unproven DVD format as well.

If you buy the Premium PS3, 1 game and an extra controller standard buys for most people when they get a new system you are looking at $700 before tax. If you buy the Premium 360, 1 game and a controller you are looking at $500 that is a difference of $200 and all you add with the PS3 is Blu-Ray and Wireless connection($99 add-on for the 360).

Now you are probably saying the $100 difference (assuming you also bought the 360 wireless add-on) for the Blu-Ray HD DVD is well worth it. Which up front may seem like it as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are running $600 or more on there own. However Blu-Ray is a technology supported only by Sony for the most part almost if not all DVD's currently available for it are from the Sony Studio film library. The HD-DVD format is the one that is supported by the larger majority of studios and the one Microsoft will be making an add-on for the Xbox 360 available around the time of the PS3 launch(believe price is unknown but $150 - $200 would be my guess).

The reason I bring that up is Sony's track record with new forms of media or more specifically their failures with them. Anyone ever a own a BetaMax player? Or a MiniDisc Player? Or a movie for your PSP? Other failures included MicroMV, SACD.

I doubt either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD will last as the rise in cost to upgraded and buy DVD's does not relate to the increase in Technology. However at least Microsoft is giving you an option instead of forcing it on you like Sony is. Also unless you bought an HDTV in the last 6 to 12 months the HDMI and Blu-Ray on the PS3 are pretty much non factors.

[Sayshu]

This was funny, to me anyway so I figure I'd share it somewhere appropriate :D In the long run the dedicated will own all 3 systems, I just think a great deal are going to wait it out this time around, whether that will hurt market share or not remains to be seen.

http://www.macspoofs.com/2006/08/10/ps3-vs-wii/
Credit to Joystiq :D still making me laugh

[MoJoBehaumat]

LOL....
Nice to see some humor now and again :D

[alejandro79]

The real battle begins holiday '07 that's just patetic...The real battle begins holiday '2012 stfu

[T-Rex Commando]

Man, I just know that when the PS3 launches in Canada there will be a tiny segment on the CBC news that goes something like "...but with a $700 price tag, will this new high-tech toy be worth a purchase?".

Ok, maybe it won't sound that stupid, but my point is that for Canadians, the premium PS3 + tax (and WITHOUT a game) will cost over $700. Ouch.

[bean19]

T-Rex - But you get free health care (of a sort).

[KidCactus]

However Blu-Ray is a technology supported only by Sony for the most part almost if not all DVD's currently available for it are from the Sony Studio film library.
Are you kidding!? What about WB, Paramount, Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, MGM and Lions Gate Films? :rolleyes:

[MoJoBehaumat]

Personally I do wait for a price drop and a killer ap.
PS1+FFVII
N64+Mario64...well this was the exception
PS2+Vice City,GoW
PSP+GTA
DS+Castlevania,NSMB

Now just waiting for the new killer aps on the upcoming systems ;)

[Khash]

I still think the $499 PS3 is a valid option depending on who you are. I don't need the Wifi and I doubt i'd ever use that SD card reader or whatever it is. As for HDMI, yea my HDTV has HDMI but I don't even buy DVDs, I'm not about to start buying Blu-Ray. As for the hard-drive, I'll be swapping it out anyway for a much bigger one. Yea, I know some people can't live without those options but to call the $499 version broken is just silly.

[Khash]

Are you kidding!? What about WB, Paramount, Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, MGM and Lions Gate Films? :rolleyes:
Truth be told, more movie studios support Blu-Ray then HD-DVD. Of course, I don't know what that all means in the grand scheme of things but ya, it's not just Sony Pictures.

[bean19]

Oh Blu-Ray will be adopted even though there are tons of sources saying HD-DVD is better. . . which annoys me. The fact that they will have millions of Blu-Ray units in people's homes will create a market for the discs and thus the discs will sale. Movie-makers are more than happy to continue making money off resales of their movies that are upgraded to higher quality formats.

So yeah. . . if you are into HD movies, that is totally a bonus.

I get annoyed when people talk about Blu-Ray as if it will enhance games when data storage is really so unimportant to game design compared to other things (like data transfer rate - and it is slow at this). However, it should totally be awesome for playing HD movies if you have an HDTV.

[Mike Jones]

I love all the Xbots who come out bashing Sony and the PS3 but guess what, it's still going to sellout at launch and the PS3 is still going to sell more that the 360 and Wii when it's all said and done. Stop wasting your breathe. It will be business as usual just by a smaller margin. Regardless in the end it will be 1) PS3 2) 360 3 ) Wii.

[Jack B]

Sony proving once again that they are their own worst enemy. Ya know, Sony really didn't have to do much to steamroll another console generation. All they had to do was release the PS3 pretty much as it is but with a DVD instead of Blu-Ray. Kaz Hirai would go up on stage at E3 and say "PS3 for $399!" and it would have been game-set-match Sony once again. Freaking morons...

Coudn't agree more. If Sony had released last year without Blu-Ray at the same price point as Microsoft it would have been "game-set-match". The one year delay and the higher price can't be underestimated...

The cell chip plan was fine. A bit harder to develop for, but that wouldn't have slowed Sony. It's the price and the one year delay, that's the issue. The software lineup is just flat out, way behind with no signs of catching up for at least a year.

Sony's opened the door by getting greedy with Blu-Ray.

[Beelzebud]

Fuck all the consoles. I'm sticking with my PC! :D

[absolut taco]

The $500 PS3 is a joke, and a non-point. What the bloody hell good is saving that $100 if it means I'm getting an intentionally crippled console?

Say I decide in the future I want wireless support on my cheapo PS3? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

Or how about when all the Blu-Ray discs start coming out that require HDMI, or they'll downgrade your signal to 480p? Tough luck. Can't be upgraded. Guess I'm spending $600 more on the real PS3.

...

So save the crowing about the $500 price.
Cry me a river. Wireless support? Get a $50 Wi-Fi bridge. Blu-ray movies in 480P? Who the fuck watches movies on their games machine? Don't they wear out fast enough from playing games?
For people who play games (which should be everyone here) a $500 PS3 is more than enough. That said, I have a 360 so I will never need to buy a PS3.

[Xenkylm]

I love all the Xbots who come out bashing Sony and the PS3 but guess what, it's still going to sellout at launch and the PS3 is still going to sell more that the 360 and Wii when it's all said and done. Stop wasting your breathe. It will be business as usual just by a smaller margin. Regardless in the end it will be 1) PS3 2) 360 3 ) Wii.

wow, took way longer for you to post than anyone expected, i'm sure ;)

/gonna stop wasting my breathe.

[KidCactus]

Oh Blu-Ray will be adopted even though there are tons of sources saying HD-DVD is better. . .
No, they don't say HD-DVD is better. They say that most HD-DVD movies released so far has better PQ than the released Blu-ray movies. Which mostly is a codec issue that won't matter in the long run, since both formats can use the same video codecs.

[bean19]

No, they don't say HD-DVD is better. They say that most HD-DVD movies released so far has better PQ than the released Blu-ray movies. Which mostly is a codec issue that won't matter in the long run, since both formats can use the same video codecs.

If they pay for the licenses.

[Zeal]

HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be the last wave of physical media. I say hurry up and let both fail so we can move on to a fully digital solution.

[PsychoticVile]

Are you kidding!? What about WB, Paramount, Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, MGM and Lions Gate Films? :rolleyes:

Notice I said Sony for the most part and I didn't say they were the only ones and you can't list MGM as they are now owned by Sony. Paramount and Fox have not released any titles or dates they are releasing titles and WB has announced only 5 titles over the next 3 months and Disney is only doing the Buena Vista Catalog nothing from the Disney library so they definitely are not in full support of Blu-Ray.

Sorry missed one Paramount announced title for 10/30 Mission Impossible 3.

[Johan]

wow, took way longer for you to post than anyone expected, i'm sure ;)

/gonna stop wasting my breathe.

Don't quote him, please...I have him blocked ;)

[bean19]

HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be the last wave of physical media. I say hurry up and let both fail so we can move on to a fully digital solution.

Yeah, that would be nice, but who is going to pay for fiber-optic lines to everyone's homes or at least their neighbor hood node? Telecommunications companies are happy to provide the minimum service for maximum cost. DSL has reached it's maximum capacity, satellite has inherent ping and upload problems, and cable has the best service and thus an effective monopoly (though they can't increase prices as people would choose lesser services if they raised the price any higher).

So I don't see how we are going to get there from here. Is there big money to be had through digital distribution and, if so, how do you get it into the hands of the people who have to pay for the infrastructure so that they build it?

[fitbabits]

How the fuck did this end up with 120 replies?

[KidCactus]

Notice I said Sony for the most part and I didn't say they were the only ones and you can't list MGM as they are now owned by Sony. Paramount and Fox have not released any titles or dates they are releasing titles and WB has announced only 5 titles over the next 3 months and Disney is only doing the Buena Vista Catalog nothing from the Disney library so they definitely are not in full support of Blu-Ray.

Sorry missed one Paramount announced title for 10/30 Mission Impossible 3.
But still, even though the releases are sparse so far, most major studios ARE backing Blu-ray. And that's the point I wanted to make, in reply to your post claiming Sony being in on this quite alone.

[51|RandoM]

So has there ever been such controversy over a console prior to its release, and has it ever actually panned out to be a failure?

I don't think there is that much controversy.

Thanks to the internet effect, the hardcore gaming segment can pretend to be representative of the whole, while being anything but.

Most of the people who'll be buying a ps3(or a 360, or whatever)don't pay any attention to this stuff, or even know it is going on.

As far as the story, what she said makes sense for any console. If the games aren't there, don't buy the console. Buy it when they are there.

[51|RandoM]

This isn't shocking. She is just using her brains. Nobody can justify spending $600 on a console, at least not anyone remotely sane.

That is a naive viewpoint, based upon whatever your current income is, and what alternative forms of entertainment in your area cost.

Where I live and what I make, a $600 console can actually save me money. I spent over $300 last night that would still be in my pocket if I had decided to stay home and play games on a console.

I suppose anybody who buys a BMW instead of a Yugo is not even remotely sane in your book either? Before the MS fans jump on my Yugo comment, I'm not comparing the 360 to a Yugo. If that makes you uncomfortable, substitute Yugo with Ford Mustang or something.

[Johan]

How the fuck did this end up with 120 replies?

The question of the moment, to be sure ;) No rational reason, either ;)

[GunnyMo]

wow, took way longer for you to post than anyone expected, i'm sure ;)

/gonna stop wasting my breathe.

lol Yes, I was just as suprised. Maybe he was busy burning 360s at the latest Hitler...err I mean Sony Youth indoctrination. :p

[GunnyMo]

I suppose anybody who buys a BMW instead of a Yugo is not even remotely sane in your book either? Before the MS fans jump on my Yugo comment, I'm not comparing the 360 to a Yugo. If that makes you uncomfortable, substitute Yugo with Ford Mustang or something.

Microsoft Hater!! You will burn! 360 is so much more leet than a Yugo! Noooob!

[Kefkataran]

How the fuck did this end up with 120 replies?

Your kidding. You really need to ask with this post? :) I knew what I was doing when I posted it. :p

[51|RandoM]

I'm looking forward to the backlash on PS3 when the broken systems start showing up right after launch. With Sony's horrible track record for making working systems the PS3 launch should be a lot of fun. Using a PS2 as an exclusive DVD player caused it to break faster than Kutaragi could PR spin. Why would BR on PS3 be any different?


It will probably differ because optical transport technology has matured.

Blu-Ray is just a new laser and probably head assembly mounted on tried and true transport technology.

When it came to the introduction of DVD it was a somewhat different story, though they probably used quite a bit of mature CD tech to get there.

I don't think people are going to be buying PS3s and then using them as blu-ray players all the time. There just won't be that much blu-ray content available, at least not stuff you really want to watch. Most of it isn't going to look any better than it does on DVD either since the studios are going to be very lazy on their first transfers---if only to bone you again with they release the special edition.

[Kamalot]

And the HDMI on the PS3 is the only thing not upgradable. There is even Memory Card reader and WiFi adapters coming to the PS3. If HDMI's a huge dealbreaker for you, get out of videogaming.
You are probably the last person on Earth that believes the PS3 is $500 and not $600.

:rolleyes:

[Kamalot]

No, they don't say HD-DVD is better. They say that most HD-DVD movies released so far has better PQ than the released Blu-ray movies. Which mostly is a codec issue that won't matter in the long run, since both formats can use the same video codecs.
Riiight. Nobody says one is better than another, only that the HD-DVD movies you can buy and watch at home look better than the Bluray movies you can buy and watch at home. But neither is 'better' than the other, one just looks better. :cool:

[51|RandoM]

You are probably the last person on Earth that believes the PS3 is $500 and not $600.

:rolleyes:

Actually, there are a lot of us who feel that way. Take off the blinders and look at what the basic model offers and you might understand why.

OTH, I don't know why I'm bothering. Kelegacy has explained it in terms that even a 5 year old could comprehend---if they actually wanted to.

"There is none so blind as those who will not see."

[51|RandoM]

Riiight. Nobody says one is better than another, only that the HD-DVD movies you can buy and watch at home look better than the Bluray movies you can buy and watch at home. But neither is 'better' than the other, one just looks better. :cool:

Actually, what they're really saying is in the few instances where you can do a direct comparison with existing media, the HD-DVD version was slightly better.

They then go on to state that there is no inherent reason in the medium that this should be the case, that the "problem" is in the transfer process and/or the choice of codec.

You might have missed those details while jumping around your room screaming "die, Sony, die!" and sticking pins in your kutaragi voodoo doll.

[Kefkataran]

You are probably the last person on Earth that believes the PS3 is $500 and not $600.

I agree with him and have stated so several times, as have several other people on EvAv. I feel bad when you act like such a fanboy, Kamalot, because I know you can be intelligent when you want to.

[Twigz'N'Berries]

I hate to say it, but most members here are out of touch with a lot of the mainstream gamers. So many said the 360 would fail...it hasn't. Many said the DS wouldn't make it vs the PSP...it is doing just fine.

This is just my opinion but I honestly think the PS3 will probably sell out from speculators(e-bay'ers) and die hard fans in the beginning. Selling a $600 dollar systems after that (in this economy) will not be too easy after Christmas...until people start getting their taxes back. However, the PS3 has a huge fanbase and I think it is just a matter of time until it pulls even and eventually passes the 360. The 360 has been missing that signature game so far. It has had some good ones like GRAW and Oblivion, but nothing that has made it a must buy. Gears of War will go a long way this holiday season for the 360...but how many systems will it sell? How much 'new business' will it attract for the 360? We know the 360 is pretty much dead in Japan and the fact that MS has lost a huge market doesn't help the diversity of the games we will get to play on the 360.

The other defining issue will be how many defects the PS3 has and how well the Wii sells. The Wii stands poised to capture the casual gaming market. It is a lower price, the games appear to be pretty simplistic and it has classic franchises that most everyone has heard of...and the games will not be $60-$70 dollars.

But this was just an opinion...

[alejandro79]

Actually, what they're really saying is in the few instances where you can do a direct comparison with existing media, the HD-DVD version was slightly better. okay but it cost a lot more don't you think 2+2=3

[fitbabits]

Your kidding. You really need to ask with this post? :) I knew what I was doing when I posted it. :p
I wonder if the same would happen if Fran (OXM) decided to declare her love for the PS3.

[Kamalot]

Actually, what they're really saying is in the few instances where you can do a direct comparison with existing media, the HD-DVD version was slightly better.

They then go on to state that there is no inherent reason in the medium that this should be the case, that the "problem" is in the transfer process and/or the choice of codec.

You might have missed those details while jumping around your room screaming "die, Sony, die!" and sticking pins in your kutaragi voodoo doll.
No, I got those pieces of information. I just wonder how much it really matters to people which format is technically capable of when they put their money down.

If you were buying a car, and someone told that you that it had the potential to be good, if one day gas companies start producing better fuel, would you get it?

The FACT of the matter is that Bluray is more expensive than HD-DVD and provides lesser picture quality. I am quite aware of the details.

[Kamalot]

Actually, there are a lot of us who feel that way. Take off the blinders and look at what the basic model offers and you might understand why.

OTH, I don't know why I'm bothering. Kelegacy has explained it in terms that even a 5 year old could comprehend---if they actually wanted to.

"There is none so blind as those who will not see."
While I admit, I didn't realize there were so many here that considered the $499 PS3 to be a viable option; I still see it being a $560 (plus tax and possibly an extra controller) purchase with the price of a game.

I'm also more than a little pissed at the notion of spending more to fund Sony's Bluray ambition and not reap the digital video benefits. We should all be a little more skeptical of the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse).

[Kefkataran]

I wonder if the same would happen if Fran (OXM) decided to declare her love for the PS3.

Probably something similar, I'd guess.

[Tohoya]

Like was said earlier in the thread, there is an INCREDIBLE amount of clout in the Nintendo name, and Nintendo knows this. The N64 will sell no matter what, because people have had positive experiences with both the NES AND the SNES. Yeah, Sony may appeal to the older crowd, but people will still buy it.

Nintendo can get all the negative press in the world, but they'll still sell at the very least a MODERATE amount of units.

FIFY. Lead changes can and do happen between consoles. This most recent gen may not have reminded you of it, but each new generation is a whole new ballgame.

History repeats itself. The DS was proof of concept for the Wii and the PSP was proof of concept for the PS3.

I don't think there is that much controversy.

Thanks to the internet effect, the hardcore gaming segment can pretend to be representative of the whole, while being anything but.

Most of the people who'll be buying a ps3(or a 360, or whatever)don't pay any attention to this stuff, or even know it is going on.

As far as the story, what she said makes sense for any console. If the games aren't there, don't buy the console. Buy it when they are there.

Dude, we're all hardcore gamers. 95% of us will end up owning the PS3 at some point, even if it's for 100 bucks in a year when the console flops like the DC/ in 5 years when the PS4 is looming. Price is a much bigger deal to the casual than it is to the hardcore, and the fact that the hardcore, the textbook early adopters, are even voicing misgivings is incredibly telling. Moreover, as hardcore gamers we look forward to each game as an individual experience. We think "damn, I can't be without a PS3: I absolutely have to have MGS4 and FFXIII!" The casual market thinks more in terms of- " I want a game console to waste some time with." This attitude means that we'll end up getting a PS3 eventually.

And for the record, I could see myself getting the PS3's core version but not the 360's. Xbox live is critical to the Xbox experience, hence the need for Hard Drive. I can live without HDMI and a bigger hard drive for the PS3, and there's not any online titles that interest me on the PS3 to worry about the wireless capability. Anyway, I have a spare modem around here so it's no huge deal to hook it up if an online title comes out for the PS3 at some point.

[gawaintheblind]

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Im just sayin.

[greenapple]

Other things you can get for 600 bucks:

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Im just sayin.

With all the crazy fanboy shit going on in this thread, this must be one of the worst.

Should we start quoting stuff you can get for 399 (xbox) or say for 49.99 (most games)? What the hell does this have to do with a non-essential hobby?

Oh my God! You can buy food with money you spend on games, burn in hell!!

[Zeal]

Everyone just shut up and buy a PS3 when the price comes down.

[fitbabits]

Everyone just shut up and buy a PS3 when the price comes down.
Including you?

[antoniogaud]

PS3 has a huge fanbase and I think it is just a matter of time until it pulls even and eventually passes the 360. The 360 has been missing that signature game so far. It has had some good ones like GRAW and Oblivion, but nothing that has made it a must buy. Gears of War will go a long way this holiday season for the 360...but how many systems will it sell? How much 'new business' will it attract for the 360?

A few things:

1) PC gaming is/was dead in Japan - doesn't affect US markets at all. Xbox can exist and lead in US without Japanese games - sports games and shooters ARE enough FTW especially with Xbox Live.

2) Halo3? Forza2? Mass Effect? Fable 2? GTA4? Making X360 games sound like they are 'meh' compared to MGS4 and FF tech demos is premature a best. X360 has proven its mettle - PS3 has yet to show why it is worth such a preposterous price.

3) For the PS3 to pull ahead of X360, it cant sell at that high a price... it is utterly economically unfeasible. The real question is when can the PS3 lower its price and how far ahead will the X360 (and Wii) be by that time.

4) One thing people often fail to mention is how much PS2 sales will canibalize PS3 sales. With great PS2 games coming out this fall, many Sony fans will be just fine without a PS3 - meanwhile MS and N start to build a serious head of steam.

[Xenkylm]

Other things you can get for 600 bucks:

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Im just sayin.

you can get three happytimes with a vegas hooker too.

The real issue is, which game and a half were you going to get by buying an xbox 360 premium over the core ps3? I'm a Wii fanboi by upbringing (god bless you, lord nintendo!), but i'm willing to admit that the second you start to think about videogame money as anything other than videogame money, there goes your hobby.

You can take your girlfriend out to dinner 30 times for the price of a Ps3. You can go on a road trip and cover all your food, gas, and hotel expenses. You can fly to vegas and back and blow $200. You can give that homeless lady $2 every time she asks you for it for the next 300 times she asks you.

Money = money. Up until the second you use it for videogames, there is a LOT of other stuff you can do with it.

[gawaintheblind]

With all the crazy fanboy shit going on in this thread, this must be one of the worst.

Should we start quoting stuff you can get for 399 (xbox) or say for 49.99 (most games)? What the hell does this have to do with a non-essential hobby?

Oh my God! You can buy food with money you spend on games, burn in hell!!

Just putting things into perspective. Point of fact: I spent way too much money on my computer, and Im not saying that was any better.

[f1sh3r]

I'm talking about the Premium 360 vs. Premium PS3. No memory card reader on the 360 makes it crippled? No built-in WiFi? No HDMI?

And the HDMI on the PS3 is the only thing not upgradable. There is even Memory Card reader and WiFi adapters coming to the PS3. If HDMI's a huge dealbreaker for you, get out of videogaming.

the only reason it's a deal breaker is because they are still charging you for a blu ray drive. what's the point of having one without hdmi? if they wanted to offer a base system with no hdmi and no blu ray i'd understand, because imho the two go hand in hand, or at least they will in the very near future.

[f1sh3r]

I don't understand all the hostility over this...whether you like the PS3 or not, whether it has games or not, whether it even works or not, it will completely sell out for at least the first six months because of constrained supply and pent-up fanboy demand.

The real battle begins holiday '07, but feel free to flame each other over it all between now and then ;)

well of course, i'm sure they'll sell all 50 consoles they manage to squeeze out in the first six months! ;)

[f1sh3r]

You can take your girlfriend out to dinner 30 times for the price of a Ps3.

you must have a lot of cheap dates. i could squeeze maybe 10 dinners out with my wife for the price of a ps3. :D

[J Arcane]

the only reason it's a deal breaker is because they are still charging you for a blu ray drive. what's the point of having one without hdmi? if they wanted to offer a base system with no hdmi and no blu ray i'd understand, because imho the two go hand in hand, or at least they will in the very near future.
Bingo.

If I'm gonna pay a premium for the console, on the basis of the Blu-Ray drive, I at least expect to get one that isn't crippled.

[Xenkylm]

you must have a lot of cheap dates. i could squeeze maybe 10 dinners out with my wife for the price of a ps3. :D

Well, i meant _her_ half of dinner (i was assuming that i was going to eat dinner either way. if i got a ps3, she'd starve i guess).

I'm in a small college town though, so fancy restaurants never get past $40 total. w00t. Then again, I make $15k/year :(

[RMan]

If I'm gonna pay a premium for the console, on the basis of the Blu-Ray drive, I at least expect to get one that isn't crippled.
Hehe, this continually cracks me up. The basic logic is that you demand the highest quality thing you can get, and you’re going to complain that they're charging you more for it. This is how the economy works, if you're demanding the highest quality expect to pay the highest price, or lower your standards. Seriously, with some of you it's clear that it matters not at all what the features in it are, you're going to pick whatever price makes the system sound the worst, there's no logic to it.

You’re not paying a premium for a BR player if you don’t want it, you’re paying for a PS3 and a BR player happens to be built in. Some don’t buy a console for wireless controllers, online gaming, HD, or whatever other feature a new system might have, but they still pay for the features, that’s the nature of a console system, the rules aren’t all the sudden different because of bluray. It sounds stupid to say ‘Curse you Sony for making me buy a bluray player, and curse you again for my demanding the highest quality video for my bluray player, which I con't care about.’

In the end the HDMI think is a total non-issue. The average consumer will be perfectly content with the lower end PS3, and likely won’t give a crap about HDMI even if they knew what it meant, and they won’t. It matters to hard core tech types, and they’ll throw down the extra $100 and be happy to do it, because to benefit from it they’ve likely burned much more than that on their home entertainment center.

[J Arcane]

Bollocks.

I'm paying for a game console. The BR drive happens to be an unwelcome addition to the package, and that drive comes with a healthy extra price tag. A price tag I have to swallow, if I want the game console that is the chief reason I'd want the machine.

If I'm going to be paying extra for the thing, I may as well get the one that's not broken.

I'm not demanding anything. I don't want the fuckign BR drive at all. But if I'm gonna pay the fat bank for the damn thing, I better well get my money's worth, and a crippled drive that's going to be obsolete in a year, is not getting my money's worth, $100 difference or not.

I don't really see why this is so hard to understand.

[chowweekly]

There is a $500 version of the PS3! But Sony promised no dual SKU's! Wait! that means... no... t-they lied... I-I feel... weak.

...

Seriously though, Sony is just a bunch of dirty liars. I would have been tempted by the PS3 at $700 if they didn't break their promise of 7 controlers with dual HDMI outputs. I would have been able to reason that I was in fact buying two X-box 360's that were permanently networked together. Those two features I actually found quite innovative and I was looking forward to some awesome multi-player and co-op action. Unfortunately they axed them and gave us their 'new' dual-tilty-piece-of-shit-non-shock controller (like that one? Made it up myself...).

Anyway... Let's just say I'm glad I'm not a Sony fanboy.

[Kefkataran]

Sony lied. Microsoft has too. So has Nintendo. Big companies like that? They lie. Often. Big surprise.

[chowweekly]

Sony lied. Microsoft has too. So has Nintendo. Big companies like that? They lie. Often. Big surprise.

Yes, I know big companies lie. The topic of my post just happened to be Sony and they just happened to lie about a couple key features I was really looking forward to. I wasn't exactly shocked - I was just dissapointed. I'm sure alot of people were dissapointed. I just wish the companies could get their facts straight the first time around and stop all the meaningless boasting. Sony just seems to be especially good at raising expectations up to godly levels just to make everyone who's been following the news really dissapointed when the final product is unveiled. For Nintedo to be on the same level this generation they would have to release a $300 system despite their 'no more than $250' promise. For Mircrosoft they would have to... um... release all future games on HDVD (I'm not sure if they made any promise about this but that would really suck).

Anyway... I think my previous post lacked the sort of light-heartedness I intended. The internet is frustrating because it lacks delivery. What was my point again? Oh yeah, I knew that... right... (went on a bit of a tangent there)

[Norse]

That is a naive viewpoint, based upon whatever your current income is, and what alternative forms of entertainment in your area cost.

Where I live and what I make, a $600 console can actually save me money. I spent over $300 last night that would still be in my pocket if I had decided to stay home and play games on a console.

I suppose anybody who buys a BMW instead of a Yugo is not even remotely sane in your book either? Before the MS fans jump on my Yugo comment, I'm not comparing the 360 to a Yugo. If that makes you uncomfortable, substitute Yugo with Ford Mustang or something.

My alternatvie form of entertainment is a X360 and is under half the price. It's not that I can't afford it, but I just don't see why I shouldn't wait for a pricedrop.

X360 Premium goes for about $400 here in Norway now. The PS3 60GB will cost $950 and the 20GB arount $800. I personally can't justify spending that much money on a machine that will be used for games only when I have an alternative for under half the price. If I was a fanboy I guess I could pay that much, but for others I can't see any point in buying one before it drops in price.

[KidCactus]

X360 Premium goes for about $400 here in Norway now.
Are you kidding? That's like 2500 NOK, right? For a Premium!? I can't seem to find a single Norwegian Internet store that even comes close to that.

[EvlD99]

I'd guess he was joking. Again, it's possible, but it's unlikely. I know they aren't doing that for Games for Windows, and it seems unlikely that Z-D would have the money, especially during the couple of down years they're just now coming out of.



Truth.

Where did you hear that? In their podcast they said they brought up the idea to Microsoft then had to bid on it. I would assume large amounts of money was involved.

[Norse]

Are you kidding? That's like 2500 NOK, right? For a Premium!? I can't seem to find a single Norwegian Internet store that even comes close to that.

The online price has been 2995 NOK ($480) since release, but our largest electronics retailer Elkjøp (Elgianten in Sweden) and Lefdal are selling them at 2500 NOK usually. It varies from 2995 and 2500NOK, it seems like they are switching back and forth between the two price points. They have recently sold the Core for 1699 NOK including Ridge Racer 6.

[KidCactus]

Wow, interesting. Here in Sweden a Core cost about 2500 SEK (on El-Giganten), and a Premium is almost 3600 SEK. And that's with no games included. I never would have thought Norway would be cheaper for this kinda stuff.

[Norse]

Wow, interesting. Here in Sweden a Core cost about 2500 SEK (on El-Giganten), and a Premium is almost 3600 SEK. And that's with no games included. I never would have thought Norway would be cheaper for this kinda stuff.

Surprises me to. I just hope this will happen with the PS3 as well.

[Achilles]

I looked at her picture and thought “I bet she could handle herself on the way back to the safe house.” It makes me think I’ve been playing Dead Rising too long. $600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time. And most of the big guns--FFXIII, MGS4--won't be hitting for quite some time after the launch...That’s really the big deal in my view. Sony may think that they don’t need games to sell their system (which they've said), but really, they do. And if their biggest games are sim-ships with the 360, that’s not going to get them any traction. Especially if they end up looking better on the 360, or even worse; looking better and costing less.

[Kamalot]

Other things you can get for 600 bucks:

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Two 20 inch LCD monitors: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824252003
Adobe Illustrator: https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-US&view=ols_prod&category=/Applications/Studio&NR=0#view=ols_prod&loc=en_us&store=OLS-US&categoryOID=1172069&distributionOID=103&category=/Applications/Studio&NR=0
Shows how overpriced Adobe products are. :D

[51|RandoM]

While I admit, I didn't realize there were so many here that considered the $499 PS3 to be a viable option; I still see it being a $560 (plus tax and possibly an extra controller) purchase with the price of a game.

I'm also more than a little pissed at the notion of spending more to fund Sony's Bluray ambition and not reap the digital video benefits. We should all be a little more skeptical of the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse).

I bought the wireless adapter, and a game, and paid tax on my 360 premium, but I don't go around adding all that up and moaning that the console actually cost me $600---see, I can do silly math(tm) too.

I'm also on my third headset, trying to find one that doesn't suck ass, but I'm not adding that cost in either.

I also don't care what drive Sony puts in their console, or how much it makes the console cost. They did it once before and it was hailed as one of the smartest moves ever, in hindsight.

Simple fact, if you don't want to play the games that come out for ps3, then don't buy it. Any blathering about price, blu-ray, or anything else you don't like about the console is meaningless without taking into account the library---which is of course nonexistent at this time.

[Kamalot]

Any blathering about price, blu-ray, or anything else you don't like about the console is meaningless without taking into account the library---which is of course nonexistent at this time.
Right. Without a library AND being asked to pay more to support Sony's non-gaming efforts, what reason is there to buy a PS3? According the editor of the Official Playstation Magazine, no reason whatsoever.

[Kelegacy]

Right. Without a library AND being asked to pay more to support Sony's non-gaming efforts, what reason is there to buy a PS3? According the editor of the Official Playstation Magazine, no reason whatsoever.
The machine isn't out yet, thus no library.

I hope Heavenly Sword, Resistance, and Warhawk turn out to be stellar titles. Then you can shut your mouth.

[51|RandoM]

you must have a lot of cheap dates. i could squeeze maybe 10 dinners out with my wife for the price of a ps3. :D

The price of a PS3 will only pay for 2-3 really good nights out here.

:)

That might be one of the reasons I don't understand all this angst over the ps3 price. Any purchase under a grand I don't even think about the price. Even thinking all the way back to high school, I could've afforded a ps3 from my part-time jobs, and that was grocery clerking, lawncare, cutting/hauling hay/wood, etc.

The 360 price pundits never seem to factor in the ongoing cost of Live, ever notice that? I don't get how they miss that. A 360 without a Live Gold subscription is a lot more crippled than a PS3 without HDMI.

Bluntly put, if you can't stomach the price of the PS3, you should be spending your time making more money, not sitting on your ass playing console games. After all, gaming is a luxury, not a staple of life.

[51|RandoM]

Right. Without a library AND being asked to pay more to support Sony's non-gaming efforts, what reason is there to buy a PS3? According the editor of the Official Playstation Magazine, no reason whatsoever.

I agree 100%(with her assessment), and I already said so, perhaps you missed it.

My stance has, and always will be, buy the console when it has a game you want to play and not a moment sooner.

Every gripe I've ever posted about the xbox centered around the fact that there was next to nothing in its library that I a) wanted to play and b) hadn't already played on my PC. When a game finally came out that I wanted to play on xbox, but could only play on xbox, I bought an xbox.

interesting how you ducked the price stuff I raised about the 360---since that seems to be part of your anti-ps3 platform.

[Kamalot]

interesting how you ducked the price stuff I raised about the 360---since that seems to be part of your anti-ps3 platform.I don't consider $299 to be the price of the 360 either, that's crazy talk. My 360 cost me $450 after the console and a game, that's about the minimum one can pay to start playing. I suppose you could cut out the cost of a game and play Hexite (provided you have the premium pack) for a raw $400 (plus tax).

[Kamalot]

I hope Heavenly Sword, Resistance, and Warhawk turn out to be stellar titles. Then you can shut your mouth.
Is rudeness a required trait for Playstation fans? :rolleyes:

[Phanto]

I should point out before anyone calls me biased that I am very certainly planning to buy a PS3 as soon as I can afford it. I may sell my WoW account to do so.


Remember that you will have to sell something more in order to buy atleast one game ;)

[dimsumx]

$600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time. And most of the big guns--FFXIII, MGS4--won't be hitting for quite some time after the launch.

Am I the only one to catch that an editor from the Official Playstation Magazine just said that Assassin's Creed is not even time exclusive? >.>

[f1sh3r]

The price of a PS3 will only pay for 2-3 really good nights out here.

:)

That might be one of the reasons I don't understand all this angst over the ps3 price. Any purchase under a grand I don't even think about the price. Even thinking all the way back to high school, I could've afforded a ps3 from my part-time jobs, and that was grocery clerking, lawncare, cutting/hauling hay/wood, etc.

The 360 price pundits never seem to factor in the ongoing cost of Live, ever notice that? I don't get how they miss that. A 360 without a Live Gold subscription is a lot more crippled than a PS3 without HDMI.

Bluntly put, if you can't stomach the price of the PS3, you should be spending your time making more money, not sitting on your ass playing console games. After all, gaming is a luxury, not a staple of life.

eh, you obviously don't have a house a wife and 2 kids to worry about. honestly, i could afford a ps3, i just have no interest. after the psp debacle i just don't care to put my money into anymore of sony's half baked schemes. i did love my minidisc player back in the day tho.

you can quite nicely use a 360 without live gold. you can still get the downloads (from what i understand, please correct me if i'm wrong) with silver and there are more than a few quality single player games out there. the only reason i play online at all is because i have friends who do. if i'm not playing with them i really can't stand most of the idiots i come across online while playing games.

oh and notice my use of the word squeeze. i can swing a nice dinner (without drinks) for about 60 bucks if that's all we do. anything else, yeah, the price goes up. actually, the more i think about it, i'm not even sure 60 will cover it.

[Kamalot]

Am I the only one to catch that an editor from the Official Playstation Magazine just said that Assassin's Creed is not even time exclusive? >.>
I hadn't noticed that. :eek:

You get a gold star! :D

[Dag-Sabot]

I got burned all those years ago on my PS2. I got burned on my PSP. I got burned on my X360.

No more.
I agree except for the 360 bit, other than that my experience is identical.
I hope i dont come off hating the PS3. I think its too expensive in the way a corvette is too expensive for me. Its a VERY nice car but it has too many features that i dont want/dont want to pay for. The 360 is more like a ford focus*, sporty nothing overly flashy and tons of value for the price.
Id love to have a friend take me for a spin in their ps3 but its just not for me.
*this post in no way is to endorse ford focus or anyother ford product! :D
Thats what i think this woman is trying to get across in her blog. Too much unproven and experimental technology to take a chance on for the price.

[sflufan]

Fuck all the consoles. I'm sticking with my PC! :D

Damn right! PC gaming for life!

But as for the PS3, I'll adopt the same approach I did with the 360: wait until the new year when it is readily available and there are multiple games available for it that I want to purchase.

With the exception of Resistance, the PS3 launch titles -- much like the 360 launch titles -- are pretty sparse in games that I'm interested in.

[Dag-Sabot]

Damn right! PC gaming for life!

But as for the PS3, I'll adopt the same approach I did with the 360: wait until the new year when it is readily available and there are multiple games available for it that I want to purchase.

With the exception of Resistance, the PS3 launch titles -- much like the 360 launch titles -- are pretty sparse in games that I'm interested in.
you need to fanboy that up a bit, you sound way too reasonable
:) :)

[altmunster]

I will buy a ps3 as soon as i can without having to camp out, no matter what someone in the media says.

[fitbabits]

I will buy a ps3 as soon as i can without having to camp out, no matter what someone in the media says.
Dammit! Have you learned nothing in your three posts? Your brain is not your own - the media control it, for Heaven's sake. And Evil Avatar is but one part of the maching, albeit the best damn part....with attitude.

[jpublic]

But as for the PS3, I'll adopt the same approach I did with the 360: wait until the new year when it is readily available and there are multiple games available for it that I want to purchase.


I'm starting to think this is the right attitude to have these days. I jumped on the 360 bandwagon, and got burned when the games released with it (and since) have been uninspiring - with the exception of PGR3 and Oblivion, and the latter is on my PC.

With the Wii, I'm going to wait until I see exactly how this library of old games works. With the PS3, I'm waiting until I see more than 1 or two exclusive games I want to play.

It's odd, too. I followed that strategy with the XBox and Gamecube, and never ended up getting an XBox. Sometime between the release of those and the release of the PSP, I lost that fortitude, and have since wasted a lot of money.

Now, being a console RPG addict, I strongly suspect I'll end up getting both a Wii and a PS3 to sit with my 360, but I'm going to sit back for now and wait.

[bean19]

The machine isn't out yet, thus no library.

I hope Heavenly Sword, Resistance, and Warhawk turn out to be stellar titles. Then you can shut your mouth.

Well, I've played them at E3. Resistance is pretty cool. Heavenly Sword is pretty, but really repetitive - even to watch - I never got my hands on it, and Warhawk is pretty cool too.

The point though, is that their list of upcoming games is pretty crappy. Those 3 titles, MGS 4, FF XIII, and DMC 4. . . okay, that's 6 titles that some people may get excited about (I really am only excited about MGS 4, and FF XIII - DMC is not my bag and the other 3 titles are excellent rentals IMO.)

There are already may games for people to get excited about (not Halo, Zelda, and FF level system-sellers, but excellent games) out for the 360. Sony needs to pony up and meet this challenge if they want people to buy their system.

[Kefkataran]

Anyway... I think my previous post lacked the sort of light-heartedness I intended. The internet is frustrating because it lacks delivery. What was my point again? Oh yeah, I knew that... right... (went on a bit of a tangent there)

Well, I get your point better now at least. :) I guess I just wasn't as excited about those same features.


Where did you hear that? In their podcast they said they brought up the idea to Microsoft then had to bid on it. I would assume large amounts of money was involved.

I heard it in the interview I did with him that will be on the EvAv podcast stream some time this week. They had to "bid" against other mags, but from what he said I think that actually involved pitching ideas and proving their mag as the best choice editorially, not money.


Am I the only one to catch that an editor from the Official Playstation Magazine just said that Assassin's Creed is not even time exclusive? >.>

Meh. Everyone already knows that. No surprise. It's no more official coming from her than it is from any of us -- I'm sure she's just saying it because we're all quite certain, not because she has some "inside scoop".

[altmunster]

Dammit! Have you learned nothing in your three posts? Your brain is not your own - the media control it, for Heaven's sake. And Evil Avatar is but one part of the maching, albeit the best damn part....with attitude.


heh
i don't post so i can learn, i post so you can.

i do hope that all of the 'i'm not going to buy a ps3!" crowd is good for their word. that way i can get mine quicker.

[Xenkylm]

i do hope that all of the 'i'm not going to buy a ps3!" crowd is good for their word. that way i can get mine quicker.

...but then, who would you play against?

[Khash]

...but then, who would you play against?
altmunster and I can form a 2-man Warhawk clan! It'll be awsome! :D

[Thenetcase]

It's gotten boring here... so....

:mad::mad::mad:PS3 = SUCK!:mad::mad::mad:


okay.. resume flaming. I'm going back to play some DOA4. Boobies!

[fitbabits]

It's gotten boring here... so....

<snip>
Don't you mean:

:mad::mad:PS3 = teh SUCK!:mad::mad:



?

[Dracula-X]

or rather:

:mad:fanboiz = teh SUCK!:mad:






:)

[Kefkataran]

Dracula-X sounds rational... GET HIM

[Kamalot]

Dracula-X sounds rational... GET HIM
Obviously, not feeling himself today.

-Mike Jones-