Sega Genesis Collection for PS2/PSP

[bapenguin]

Somebody is toying with my childhood emotions today. First Earthworm Jim (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16127) on the PSP gets some hands on time and now 1UP has a story (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152778) about the Sega Genesis Collection for the PS2/PSP!There are the games that birthed franchises that live on today -- Sonic the Hedgehog, Shinobi, Phantasy Star, and Golden Axe-- but also the greats that have for one reason or another long been forgotten -- Vectorman, Sword of Vermillion, Comix Zone, or Alex Kidd. There's also a lot of great history to many games found in the collection. One of the titles, Ristar, was once planned to be the next Sonic the Hedgehog-style success story for Sega

Awesome news. Don't get rid of your PSP just yet!

[thecrazyd]

Fuck yeah. I need me some Comix Zone.

[Kamalot]

Most of these have been brought to the GBA. Most of them (if not all) will show up on Virtual Console. All of them can already be run on the DS or PSP (or even my cellphone) through homebrew emulators.

[thecrazyd]

Wah wah wah. I am Kamalot and I am gonna cry because there is something good coming on a Sony platform.

[Hugenex]

Mmmmm... Comix zone, Ristar, Vectorman! Now those were great games. Vectorman blew us all away with 3D and innovative gameplay mechanics. Comix Zone is something that was never replicated by any developer ever again. Ristar was fun but it seems like levels were built for Sonic the Hedgehog game but instead of Sonic you controlled the ball that had a mask of star and could run or roll pretty fast plus had power to stretchout arms and headbutt enemies which is when executed made this pinball sound. I wonder why never made a sequel.

[smashism]

Sweet. Now I can own like 2 games instead of 1 for my psp. Thanks Sega!

[Flatpicker]

I'm there for this.
Shinobi, PS and SoV are awesome.

[violentp]

Phantasy Star and Sword of Vermillion? SHAZAAM!

Hope SoV comes with the guide as it did originally on Genesis.

[Kamalot]

Wah wah wah. I am Kamalot and I am gonna cry because there is something good coming on a Sony platform.
No you aren't. I'm Kamalot. And I'm not crying, but rather pointing out how these games are or will be available. Some of these are great games. I played through all of Phantasy Star IV on my Treo along with Vectorman and Shining Force II.

[D_Reaper]

This is great news, if only there was Streets of Rage. But I cant complain since I'd buy the collection for Golden Axe 2 alone.

[Phades]

Sega has such a great back library it's odd that they don't pull the mothballs off and update them. Put all the crappy new Sonic games on the backburner for a while and give us sequels to Sword of Vermillion, Herzog Zwei, Land Stalker, Golden Axe, and Eswat! Oh, and actually spend the time to make them good instead of pumping out some piece of crap like the new Shining games.

[Ultima Thulian]

Same games Sega puts out for it's compilations. I love these games, and I'm trying to be whiney, but I'd rather see titles not normally seen on their compilations.

I'll be happy when Treasure announces a compilation...with Radiant Silvergun...for the states. Oh that would be kickass.

[jpublic]

Where the crap is that Phantasy Star Collection of remakes for PS2 that was supposed to come out like 2004? Did it get axed or what?

[Hugenex]

Sega has such a great back library it's odd that they don't pull the mothballs off and update them. Put all the crappy new Sonic games on the backburner for a while and give us sequels to Sword of Vermillion, Herzog Zwei, Land Stalker, Golden Axe, and Eswat! Oh, and actually spend the time to make them good instead of pumping out some piece of crap like the new Shining games.

Sequel to Landstalker coming soon to the PSP near you:

http://psp.ign.com/articles/651/651406p1.html

[danhoo]

Geeze, how many times is Sega going to re-release Golden Axe? Why not release the superior Golden Axe 2, or the third one (which I can't remember what it was called. One assumes Golden Axe 3).

[Ultima Thulian]

Where the crap is that Phantasy Star Collection of remakes for PS2 that was supposed to come out like 2004? Did it get axed or what?

They came out in Japan, I think, but the only one we got was the one on SEGA AGES (the horrible compilation for the PS2, It raped Golden Axe, with a sandpaper condom and no lube). I think that was the title of the compilation anyway, I've honestly done my best to forget it...it made me cry.

I don't think we'll see, but the first three Phantasy Stars (in original form) came out for the GBA, if it makes you feel better.

[thecrazyd]

No you aren't. I'm Kamalot. And I'm not crying, but rather pointing out how these games are or will be available. Some of these are great games. I played through all of Phantasy Star IV on my Treo along with Vectorman and Shining Force II.
Yes, they are available through the illegal use of emulators. Great. It would be more of a news stories if they had a game that old that was not available through illegal means. Don't tell me you wouldn't be talking about how awesome this is if it was announced for the DS. Or how great it was when Genesis games were announced on the Wii virtual console.

[D_Reaper]

Geeze, how many times is Sega going to re-release Golden Axe? Why not release the superior Golden Axe 2, or the third one (which I can't remember what it was called. One assumes Golden Axe 3).


Theyre giving us both, click the link for a list of all the games.

[Kamalot]

Yes, they are available through the illegal use of emulators.What planet do you live on where emulators are illegal? :confused:

[Ultima Thulian]

Yes, they are available through the illegal use of emulators. Great. It would be more of a news stories if they had a game that old that was not available through illegal means. Don't tell me you wouldn't be talking about how awesome this is if it was announced for the DS. Or how great it was when Genesis games were announced on the Wii virtual console.

These games have been also released in various compilatons for various sytems, including; DC, PS2, PC, and GBA. I love these games, and they'll be sweet on the PSP, but dammit, Sega needs to quit re-re-re-re-re--wii-releasing these titles over and over again. Release forgotten gems or do something, oh I dunno, different?

[thecrazyd]

What planet do you live on where emulators are illegal? :confused:
Fine emulators are not, but ROMs are. Do you have a point? Are you denying that you are a damned retarded troll that cannot see anything good coming out of Sony?

[Kamalot]

Fine emulators are not, but ROMs are.
Sure they are, if you own the original and as long as you didn't have to break any DRM to extract the ROM from the original (according to the DMCA).

[Switcher]

I'm still scratching my head as who the hell in their right mind keeps putting these great retro collections on the PSP of all things. Since the beginning, Sony has said how technologically advanced the PSP is as a gaming console, and how they were going to save from the gaming world from the handheld ghetto, or holocaust, or whatever assinine thing they said. Yet, the PSP gets these classic collections all the frigging time.

Don't even get me started on the PowerStone Collection that's on the PSP only.

....what...

....a....

...waste.

[Kamalot]

Are you denying that you are a damned retarded troll that cannot see anything good coming out of Sony?Did this come from Sony? I don't have a problem with this collection. Many of us already have a collection of Sega games. If you have a PSP and $40 to spend, go ahead and get it when it comes out. Lots of these (if not all of these) will be available other places including, as you so accurately pointed out, on the Virtual Console.

If you already have a PSP, you can probably emulate most of these games too.

[Kamalot]

I'm still scratching my head as who the hell in their right mind keeps putting these great retro collections on the PSP of all things. Since the beginning, Sony has said how technologically advanced the PSP is as a gaming console, and how they were going to save from the gaming world from the handheld ghetto, or holocaust, or whatever assinine thing they said. Yet, the PSP gets these classic collections all the frigging time.

Don't even get me started on the PowerStone Collection that's on the PSP only.

....what...

....a....

...waste.
Oh, don't forget the PSP's 'NO PORTS' policy. Yeah, that's been enforced. :rolleyes:

[emperordahc]

I never upgraded mine to keep homebrew and emulators. No doubt, this UMD requires you to update. No problem; I just run the original ROMs in emulaton. (The game is "ports" anyway, which are always crap.)

Guess why I sold my PSP several months ago, at a profit, and never cared.

Hello, my wonderful DS lite!

[thecrazyd]

Did this come from Sony? I don't have a problem with this collection. Many of us already have a collection of Sega games. If you have a PSP and $40 to spend, go ahead and get it when it comes out. Lots of these (if not all of these) will be available other places including, as you so accurately pointed out, on the Virtual Console.

If you already have a PSP, you can probably emulate most of these games too.
My point, which you are so excellently avoiding, is that you would not bitch about this on the Wii VC, or if a DS release was announced. You only bitch because it is on the PSP. Why do you feel the need to troll?

[Kamalot]

My point, which you are so excellently avoiding, is that you would not bitch about this on the Wii VC, or if a DS release was announced. You only bitch because it is on the PSP. Why do you feel the need to troll?
Genesis games HAVE been announced for the Virtual Console. That's a good thing. They've been announced for the PSP. That's a good thing. I don't see the confusion. These games are available through Gametap as well. That's a good thing. My point is, you don't need a PSP to play them. My other point is, if you have a PSP, you can ALREADY play them, as others have noted (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=373062&postcount=26). :rolleyes:

I'm not bitching. You are.

[Ultima Thulian]

My point, which you are so excellently avoiding, is that you would not bitch about this on the Wii VC, or if a DS release was announced. You only bitch because it is on the PSP. Why do you feel the need to troll?

He's not trolling. Kam's is basically saying these titles have been re-released before, and are readily avaible elsewhere. Which is a fact. I love the PSP (one of my fav titles on it is the Capcom Collection), but Sega has been re-releasing it's old titles A LOT lately because of lagging sales (hoping retro will fuel them, I suppose). No need to be hostile my friend. You're excited about the product, Kam isn't. Leave it at that.

[thecrazyd]

He's not trolling. Kam's is basically saying these titles have been re-released before, and are readily avaible elsewhere. Which is a fact. I love the PSP (one of my fav titles on it is the Capcom Collection), but Sega has been re-releasing it's old titles A LOT lately because of lagging sales (hoping retro will fuel them, I suppose). No need to be hostile my friend. You're excited about the product, Kam isn't. Leave it at that.
Just cause something is a fact does not mean it is not trolling. The fact that it is not really called for in this discussion, and that he is only bringing it up because of his long held hatred of Sony makes it trolling. Look at his post history. If this was announced on the DS, he would be masturbating with joy, but since it is on the PSP, he points out where else you can find it. It is a troll, pure and simple.

[Kamalot]

Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll):

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls.

I'm sorry if you find my pointing out the avilability of these games elsewhere as rude or inflammatory.

[Camalot]

Genesis games HAVE been announced for the Virtual Console. That's a good thing. They've been announced for the PSP. That's a good thing. I don't see the confusion. These games are available through Gametap as well. That's a good thing. My point is, you don't need a PSP to play them. My other point is, if you have a PSP, you can ALREADY play them, as others have noted (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=373062&postcount=26). :rolleyes:

I'm not bitching. You are.

Kamalot is right, you don't need the PSP to play this. He will probably also agree that you don't need a Wii to play a port of Trauma Center, which you can already play on the DS

[thecrazyd]

Troll (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=troll)

An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Just because this was one of your more subtle trolls, does not mean it is not a troll. Just get over your stupid fanboy bullshit, and avoid Sony posts.

[Tolkoto]

Where's Toe Jam and Earl 1 and 2 at?

[Khash]

Oh my god, Comix Zone! I knew getting a PSP was a good idea.

[UnderHero5]

Hmm, seems like a pretty neat collection. I won't personally be buying it, because as Kamelot said, I can already play all those games through other means. That said, I don't really have the urge to play any Genesis games any time soon. Nothing against the classics, but Most of those I never much cared for, and the ones I did I already played enough to last me a long time.

And thecrazyd, he wasn't trolling. He's just discussing the topic. If anything you running around behind him in EVERY thread he posts in and calling him a "troll" would constitute trolling.
If you hadn't accused him repeatedly of trolling, he'd have made his comment. People would have read it, agreed or disagreed and moved on. Instead we have 4 pages of you two going back and fourth and pulling discussion away from the topic.
You don't agree with him? Voice that opinion, but you don't have to attack him and everything he says simply because you disagree.

And so what if he doesn't like Sony? What does that have to do with what he posted? I see you putting words in his mouth and trying to find a problem where there isn't one. This topic isn't even about Sony anyway, it's about a Sega Genesis collection.

[Salesmunn]

Dag Nabbit!! Where's my WARSONG!!!

[Salesmunn]

Where's Toe Jam and Earl 1 and 2 at?

Gimme the original with online play and I'm happy. That game is MADE for Live Arcade!!

[Ultima Thulian]

It is a troll, pure and simple.

And? If he is trolling, does constantly bitching about it stop him from trolling or help the problem? Probably not. And despite his post history, I just don't see how he's trolling. And even if he is, so what? Ignore him. Let him "joyfully masturbate" or whatever it was you said.

[Kelegacy]

Sequel to Landstalker coming soon to the PSP near you:

http://psp.ign.com/articles/651/651406p1.html
Wow, really? If that ever happened, I'd have to get a PSP.

And I'm not even going to start backing thecrazyd up on how Kamalot is a broken, biased record. It's like he has two eyes, but they are both on one side of his head.

[Kamalot]

It's like he has two eyes, but they are both on one side of his head.Yeah, the front. :D

[Skyelan]

Okay, here's a better way of wording it: I doubt the majority of PSP owners who buy it for legitimate games really care much about a collection of 'old games? LAME!'.

Those of us who own a PSP and care about Genesis games are already playing them, WITHOUT shelling out 40 dollars on a half hearted (I've bought a couple of their port collections in the past, they're ALWAYS messed up in some way) compilation.

[Kamalot]

Okay, here's a better way of wording it: I doubt the majority of PSP owners who buy it for legitimate games really care much about a collection of 'old games? LAME!'.

Those of us who own a PSP and care about Genesis games are already playing them, WITHOUT shelling out 40 dollars on a half hearted (I've bought a couple of their port collections in the past, they're ALWAYS messed up in some way) compilation.
Oooh! Good perspective.

[Kelegacy]

Okay, here's a better way of wording it: I doubt the majority of PSP owners who buy it for legitimate games really care much about a collection of 'old games? LAME!'.

Those of us who own a PSP and care about Genesis games are already playing them, WITHOUT shelling out 40 dollars on a half hearted (I've bought a couple of their port collections in the past, they're ALWAYS messed up in some way) compilation.
Same could be said about the appeal of the Wii's Virtual Console. Or Xbox Live Arcade titles like Street Fighter, Galaga, or Pac-Man. What's the point when you can get them elsewhere? Every game on the Wii virtual console I can find online and emulate. N64 titles are the hardest, but there are emulators that work damn well.

The fact is some people don't like to emulate games, or want to buy them in one nifty package. This is a good thing for people and it shouldn't be spun into something remotely negative by the likes of Kamalot and gang. I only came into this thread to see if he was trolling, and I was right. Too predictable. So here I am, trolling for trolls. I lower myself to their standards for the common good.

[thecrazyd]

You are a saint, Kel.

[Kamalot]

Same could be said about the appeal of the Wii's Virtual Console. Or Xbox Live Arcade titles like Street Fighter, Galaga, or Pac-Man. What's the point when you can get them elsewhere? Every game on the Wii virtual console I can find online and emulate. N64 titles are the hardest, but there are emulators that work damn well.
Agreed. There are a lot of people, especially on sites like Evil Avatar, that refuse to pay for ROMs or legitimate emulation. They would rather do thinigs the 'hard' way. Not that the hard way is all that difficult. I'm one of them. I have emulators running on my original Xbox, PC and my Treo. If I own the game, I should be able to play it.

Some people are into buying a collection of old games. I think you'll find that, once most people have Wii, they will make a few purchases of older games for nostalgia reasons. With Virtual Console, it will be much more like an impulse buy. "$5 for Dr. Mario? Oh yeah! I remember Dr. Mario! Cha-ching!" People aren't being asked to shell out $40 for some games if they only want 3 of them but may well spend $40 on 20 $5 games over the course of time.

[thecrazyd]

Where are you getting that price from Kamalot? I don't see it posted in the article.

[Kamalot]

It is my personal belief, that's why it includes such a telling phrase as, "I think you'll find that..."

If you want to take people to task for coming up with ideas and sharing opinions on a message board, then you should jump on every poster in this thread.

Every game on the Wii virtual console I can find online and emulate.Those of us who own a PSP and care about Genesis games are already playing them

You know, I don't see those facts represented in the article either.

[Kamalot]

This is a good thing for people and it shouldn't be spun into something remotely negative by the likes of Kamalot and gang.
Excuse me Kelly:

If you stepped down from your high horse you may notice I never once said this collection of games was bad. Nor did I ever say that collections are bad in general.

If you have a personal issue with me, then so be it; but don't go putting words in my mouth claiming I've ever said that collections of retro games are in any way bad.

[nein89]

Yeah, you guys are insane. I mean, I get that you don't like Kamalot, and that's great, but his point is valid. I was excited when I saw the headline; I don't have a PSP, but more Sega stuff on the PS2 would still be good news. Except that these are pretty much all games that Sega has already rereleased dozens of times.

They have a lot of other fantastic old games that many of us would love to see updated, or available in this sort of compilation. We don't need the same games over and over again in a dozen different combinations.

Edit: The article went on further than I thought, after my initial perusal; there are actually a bunch more games included than I thought. Some of them are pretty cool additions, but a lot of them are kind of...baffling. Why the fuck are they including Eternal Champions before Streets of Rage?

[Kelegacy]

Excuse me Kelly:

If you stepped down from your high horse you may notice I never once said this collection of games was bad. Nor did I ever say that collections are bad in general.

If you have a personal issue with me, then so be it; but don't go putting words in my mouth claiming I've ever said that collections of retro games are in any way bad.
You don't have to say it is bad. You have that oily way of making things negative without having to say it directly. Like Reanimated posting PS3 pictures for newsposts and pretending he's being positive. It's sneaky, but obvious to those who know you guys.

I don't hate you Kam, I just think you take things a little too extreme in regards to Sony. Sometimes if I see a boring newspost on the front page that has 30 or more replies, I just know you've been in there saying something flippant. If not, the replies would be very low for the topic.

Again, I don't have a major beef with you outside of the Sony issue, but when the same people routinely commit the same attacks they start losing credibility. That's why I accused you of spinning this. You've done it countless times before, so your reputation precedes you.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Wow, I must be psychic. I knew exactly how this thread would go before I even clicked on it! ;)

[Kamalot]

...I just know you've been in there saying something flippant.
Flippant?

You betcha!

Like a freakin' pancake!

;)

[donkeydrop]

Flippant?

You betcha!

Like a freakin' pancake!

;)
It's amazing how many retarded posts you can make in one thread. OK, we get it; you hate Sony. Now go back to your illegal ROMs and wait till November when you can give all your money to Nintendo.

[violentp]

Wow, I must be psychic. I knew exactly how this thread would go before I even clicked on it! ;)

I was lucky enough to be a part of it when it was something. Those days are getting farther apart though.

[bapenguin]

Agreed. There are a lot of people, especially on sites like Evil Avatar, that refuse to pay for ROMs or legitimate emulation. They would rather do thinigs the 'hard' way.

The problem is "A Lot of people" are probably 5-10% of gamers that actually buy games.

[Kamalot]

The problem is "A Lot of people" are probably 5-10% of gamers that actually buy games.
Why is that a problem? 10% of 10 million people is still a million people. Read through the thread. I'm not the only one in here who plays emulators.

Really, why is this a problem?

[Kamalot]

It's amazing how many retarded posts you can make in one thread. OK, we get it; you hate Sony. Now go back to your illegal ROMs and wait till November when you can give all your money to Nintendo.
I love you too Donkey. Where in this thread do you get Sony hate from me? There's nuthin' here but Luuuuuv for the classic games. In fact, I have Phantasy Star II and IV on my Treo right now. :D

[donkeydrop]

I love you too Donkey. Where in this thread do you get Sony hate from me? There's nuthin' here but Luuuuuv for the classic games. In fact, I have Phantasy Star II and IV on my Treo right now. :D

:confused: and the fact that you have Sega games on your Palm device is relevant to Sony how? And Sega would appreciate you showing the 'luuuuuv' by actually paying for the games.

[Kamalot]

:confused: and the fact that you have Sega games on your Palm device is relevant to Sony how? And Sega would appreciate you showing the 'luuuuuv' by actually paying for the games.
Exactly! It isn't relevant to Sony. It is relevant to this thread which is about retro (Genesis) Sega games. :rolleyes:

And if I already own the cartridge, then why can't I play the game on my phone. According to the DMCA, as long as I don't break any encryption schemes to get the ROM, there is no harm in using an emulator. Sure, Sega would like me to buy the games again, but Sega would also like me to give them money, straight up. :cool:

[Ultima Thulian]

Why is that a problem? 10% of 10 million people is still a million people. Read through the thread. I'm not the only one in here who plays emulators.

Really, why is this a problem?

Because, unlike you, most people use ROMs and whatnot (I love that word! :p ) for illegal purposes, which drives up prices, among other things. Plus, illegal is illegal. You do it fair and square (I rarely use ROMs, but when I do I own the original title), and that's great. Most don't however.