View Full Version : XBox Users High on "Power Motivation"
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 04:54 AM
When the consoles can't fight in your living room, they fight in your minds. Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/09/xbox-ad-decreases-brand-trust-but-xbox-images-evoke-self-confid/) brings word of a survey conducted regarding console brands and this is what they found out.Anderson's study found that boys who were exposed to Xbox pictures were "higher on power motivation" than those who viewed the PlayStation images. Along with "power motivation," the Xbox images also seemed to elicit higher self-confidence scores than those in the PlayStation group. Furthermore, images of the consoles themselves also had different effects on the respondents. Interestingly, boys in the Xbox group had higher levels of distrust after seeing the ad, while this phenomenon was not observed in the PlayStation group.Original article (http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/aug2006/id20060809_823185.htm).
Pretty interesting. Who would have known the XBox fans would be pompous asses and the Playstation fans the emo kids?
NoName
08-10-2006, 04:58 AM
The study sounds a bit flaky. I'd be curious to see their data.
Reanimated
08-10-2006, 04:59 AM
Anyone who's ever met a sony fanboy already knew about the emo thing.
On the other hand, I am highly motivated and self-confident. Good study. :)
ProfPuppet
08-10-2006, 05:06 AM
Maybe it's just being drunk, but that made me giggle like a schoolgirl, and even with this much alcohol coursing through my bloodstream this sounds fishy. A targeted focus group and a bunch of buzzwords do not a study make.
Sazime
08-10-2006, 05:11 AM
I'm not emo...
wastedyears
08-10-2006, 05:13 AM
Pretty interesting. Who would have known the XBox fans would be pompous asses and the Playstation fans the emo kids?[/QUOTE]
I knew that :)
Kelegacy
08-10-2006, 05:32 AM
I don't think this is indicative of the two castes as a whole, but rather how a company's prognosis can have an impact on trust and possibly emotion. The PS3 hasn't had the best PR positivity, thus fans are more apt to feel hostile or upset at the prospect that the Playstation could fall behind the XBox. The Xbox, on the other hand, has had little negativity in the past 6 months besides the "fragile" 360 label, which has pretty much dried up as of late.
So, this study is flawed. Once the PS3 is out and the two are actively competing with one another, that will probably offer entirely new data.
Frogleg Special
08-10-2006, 05:58 AM
Xbox - Frat Boys
Playstation - Artsies, Anime fans
We know that from years ago.
Borys
08-10-2006, 06:20 AM
Xbox - Frat Boys
Playstation - Artsies, Anime fans
We know that from years ago.
Yup:
Jocks = Halobox fans
Otaku nerds = Playstation fans
Plain n3rdz = PC gamers
Poke-kiddies = Nintendo fans
Rirath
08-10-2006, 06:28 AM
But of course, somebody has to do a study and use a bunch of pseudo-science to confirm the obvious.
Meusli
08-10-2006, 06:29 AM
Borys are you saying that all Nintendo fans are paedophiles who Poke-kiddies ? :rolleyes:
Kelegacy
08-10-2006, 06:30 AM
Yup:
Jocks = Halobox fans
Otaku nerds = Playstation fans
Plain n3rdz = PC gamers
Poke-kiddies = Nintendo fans
I'd pretty much agree with that. PS gamers love Japanese games that stray from the Nintendo-style JPN style. Xboxers like fast action, racers, and shooting. Nintendo is an anomaly, and can't really be judged. But PC Gamers are plain nerds? I'd say PC Gamers are a lot like Xbox guys, but with a "smart" gene. :)
I fit into each category almost equally. A few years ago I would have been a strict PC Gamer and Playstation fan, but I've lost a lot of respect for JRPGs recently, and PC Gaming can be quite expensive to stay up to date.
Stormwatcher
08-10-2006, 06:58 AM
nintendo is not teh kiddies :(
Roc Ingersol
08-10-2006, 07:17 AM
Yeah... the lazy stereotypes work for self-identified gamers; but not so much for the fifty million other people who actually decide which systems stay and go.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 07:26 AM
I have a higher level of distrust after seeing ANY advertisement.
This is the part of the article I find most striking...
"The differences are striking," commented Dr. Anna Song, consultant for Anderson Analytics. "The participants were randomly assigned to groups, so to find these types of psychological differences is conceptually interesting. The implication for these findings is that exposure to ads can have a significant effect on young adults."
Added Tom Anderson, Principal of Anderson Analytics: "Our findings confirm that brand advertising can increase positive attitudes and perceptions. The reverse is also true. Some ads actually decrease brand trust in the target market. That's why it's more important than ever for marketers to pay attention to psychological profiles and the power of the subconscious mind."
The media we consume helps shape who we are, like it or not. Feed your head with junk and your mind suffers.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 07:30 AM
Yeah... the lazy stereotypes work for self-identified gamers; but not so much for the fifty million other people who actually decide which systems stay and go.
And that's the point, the advertising has an effect on someone's personality. According to this research, these people weren't 'gamers' but randomly selected and grouped boys. They were shown advertisements in a controlled environment. The advertisements evoked these emotional responses from the boys. In a sense, the Xbox advertisements 'made' the boys feel self confident, and yet distrustful. The Playstation advertisements 'made' the boys feel less confident but trusting.
Be careful what you put into your mind.
Roc Ingersol
08-10-2006, 07:34 AM
emotions? yes.
personality? no.
it's no different than showing an 8 year old a bruce lee movie.
Afterwards, they'll be convinced they can do karate for about an hour.
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 07:39 AM
And that's the point, the advertising has an effect on someone's personality. According to this research, these people weren't 'gamers' but randomly selected and grouped boys. They were shown advertisements in a controlled environment. The advertisements evoked these emotional responses from the boys. In a sense, the Xbox advertisements 'made' the boys feel self confident, and yet distrustful. The Playstation advertisements 'made' the boys feel less confident but trusting.
Be careful what you put into your mind.
Well..it's not just ads. Think about it. After you watch a kickass movie...don't you feel better? More confident? wanting to go kick more ass? Or vice versa with a sad movie? How about a song? Whatever INPUT goes into our body it has some affect on our psyche.
Goronmon
08-10-2006, 07:39 AM
When I rushed the "football" house on campus oh so many years ago (ie. 5), there was a setup for SSBM. Of course, every year after that we used some form of a Halo setup along with the newest EA football game, haha.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 07:57 AM
Well..it's not just ads. Think about it. After you watch a kickass movie...don't you feel better? More confident? wanting to go kick more ass? Or vice versa with a sad movie? How about a song? Whatever INPUT goes into our body it has some affect on our psyche.
I agree with you 100%.
Garbage in -> Garbage Out
Healthy consumption for a healthy mind.
Some people won't believe that though. Any time you bring up consumption of media having an effect on , they think you are about to attack video games. *sheesh* :eek:
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 08:15 AM
This study, by the way, is seriously and insanely untrustworthy and non-scientific. I wouldn't take away anything strong from it.
Well..it's not just ads. Think about it. After you watch a kickass movie...don't you feel better? More confident? wanting to go kick more ass? Or vice versa with a sad movie? How about a song? Whatever INPUT goes into our body it has some affect on our psyche.
So you're saying, what? Xbox has more "kick-ass" games and Playstation has more "sad" and/or "shitty" games? Puhlease.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 08:18 AM
I love it when two red-names fight. I'll get the popcorn. :D
Ailer
08-10-2006, 08:24 AM
Maybe it's just being drunk, but that made me giggle like a schoolgirl, and even with this much alcohol coursing through my bloodstream this sounds fishy. A targeted focus group and a bunch of buzzwords do not a study make.
You posted at 8am... and are drunk? Shit, sign me up.
IagoTheHunted
08-10-2006, 08:25 AM
yeah, that study sounds real scientific. Let me just get out my calculator and calculate all the cold hard facts in that study. uh. zero.
Savok
08-10-2006, 08:30 AM
Who the fuck gives these people money? I want them found and shot.
Johan
08-10-2006, 08:34 AM
The media we consume helps shape who we are, like it or not. Feed your head with junk and your mind suffers.
I'm with you on this one...garbage in, garbage out
*goes back to eating garbage*
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 08:41 AM
So you're saying, what? Xbox has more "kick-ass" games and Playstation has more "sad" and/or "shitty" games? Puhlease.
No but the XBox ads/Logo apparantly convey confidence and ass-kickery.
Sony's apparantly doesn't.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 08:45 AM
Yup:
Jocks = Halobox fans
Otaku nerds = Playstation fans
Plain n3rdz = PC gamers
Poke-kiddies = Nintendo fans
Eh...
I would say...
Xbox fans = 50% stupid and immature. 50% elitist-wannabes using a watered down PC. 100% stupid in that, "if it's not powered by the latest id / Unreal engine, it's for 6 year olds," or "If it has a color pallette larger than 6 colors, it's for 6 year olds."
Playstation fans = People who aren't restricted entirely to action games. 50% anime lovers who want to see up Ayami's (randomly generated name) skirt, and an avid lover of the ^_^
Nintendo fans = Gaming was meant to be fun with a blend of technology to enhance the experience. Not a kick in the teeth of tech used to make a badass game. Fun comes first, presentation second. People who are up for trying new things that aren't "tried and true" like FPS.
PC gamers = The largest selection of gaming available (in limited degree) to either of the three systems. A constantly evolving platform, not limited by hardware. Benefits from the largest library of "free to play online" games (ie onling gaming subscription not required).
And for the people that think the Wii is a lesser system because of less powerful performance? Ever heard about how racing is 40% car, 60% driver? ;)
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 08:47 AM
Is 'ass-kickery' a real word?
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 08:49 AM
Is 'ass-kickery' a real word?
It is now mother fucker.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 08:52 AM
Coolio. Adding Ass-Kickery to my spellchecker.
Make it so!
Mr.Green
08-10-2006, 09:09 AM
Eh...
I would say...
Xbox fans = 50% stupid and immature. 50% elitist-wannabes using a watered down PC. 100% stupid in that, "if it's not powered by the latest id / Unreal engine, it's for 6 year olds," or "If it has a color pallette larger than 6 colors, it's for 6 year olds."
Playstation fans = People who aren't restricted entirely to action games. 50% anime lovers who want to see up Ayami's (randomly generated name) skirt, and an avid lover of the ^_^
Nintendo fans = Gaming was meant to be fun with a blend of technology to enhance the experience. Not a kick in the teeth of tech used to make a badass game. Fun comes first, presentation second. People who are up for trying new things that aren't "tried and true" like FPS.
PC gamers = The largest selection of gaming available (in limited degree) to either of the three systems. A constantly evolving platform, not limited by hardware. Benefits from the largest library of "free to play online" games (ie onling gaming subscription not required).
And for the people that think the Wii is a lesser system because of less powerful performance? Ever heard about how racing is 40% car, 60% driver? ;)
Let me take a wild guess here. You love Nintendo and you don't really like Microsoft? :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think trying to establish the psychological profile of people with the freakin gaming platform they prefer is beyond ridiculous. Sure is good material for a good old idiotic fanboy flamewar, though.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 09:31 AM
Let me take a wild guess here. You love Nintendo and you don't really like Microsoft? :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think trying to establish the psychological profile of people with the freakin gaming platform they prefer is beyond ridiculous. Sure is good material for a good old idiotic fanboy flamewar, though.
Here you go...
My favorite system(s) is most often used by people with above average intelligence. They all have perfect complexions. The men are manly and have colossal dicks. The women are all mistaken for supermodels when they walk down the street.
All other systems are only played by hideous trolls with misshapen features and exploding zits on their back.
:rolleyes:
Shifteh
08-10-2006, 09:43 AM
In the news today: add's determine personality. Also, video games cause violence, and youth are criminals.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 09:46 AM
Let me take a wild guess here. You love Nintendo and you don't really like Microsoft? :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think trying to establish the psychological profile of people with the freakin gaming platform they prefer is beyond ridiculous. Sure is good material for a good old idiotic fanboy flamewar, though.
Not really. I game on a PS2, a Gamecube and my Windows XP PC. I don't dislike Microsoft at all.
But there's a huge difference between "Microsoft," and "the Xbox fanbase."
Xbox - Frat Boys
We know that from years ago.
You say that as if there's something wrong with that.
Eh...
I would say...
Xbox fans = 50% stupid and immature. 50% elitist-wannabes using a watered down PC. 100% stupid in that, "if it's not powered by the latest id / Unreal engine, it's for 6 year olds," or "If it has a color pallette larger than 6 colors, it's for 6 year olds."
Playstation fans = People who aren't restricted entirely to action games. 50% anime lovers who want to see up Ayami's (randomly generated name) skirt, and an avid lover of the ^_^
Nintendo fans = Gaming was meant to be fun with a blend of technology to enhance the experience. Not a kick in the teeth of tech used to make a badass game. Fun comes first, presentation second. People who are up for trying new things that aren't "tried and true" like FPS.
PC gamers = The largest selection of gaming available (in limited degree) to either of the three systems. A constantly evolving platform, not limited by hardware. Benefits from the largest library of "free to play online" games (ie onling gaming subscription not required).
And for the people that think the Wii is a lesser system because of less powerful performance? Ever heard about how racing is 40% car, 60% driver? ;)
I really hope this is a joke.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:01 AM
You say that as if there's something wrong with that.
Frat boys are probably the stupidest people ever.
I really hope this is a joke.
See above.
Frat boys are probably the stupidest people ever.
See above.
Hah, yeah, you're just dripping with intelligence, aren't you?
Sounds like someone who got their ass kicked in high school by a jock and is holding a grudge.
Mr.Green
08-10-2006, 10:11 AM
Not really. I game on a PS2, a Gamecube and my Windows XP PC. I don't dislike Microsoft at all.
But there's a huge difference between "Microsoft," and "the Xbox fanbase."
So tell me, what kind of study did you make to come up with this profound knowledge of the Xbox fanbase?
Also, I own a Black & Decker toaster. What does that tell you about me? Here's a hint: I like toasted bread.
For crying out loud. I came into this thread with the naive assumption that, just like me, people would find the whole thing stupid and pointless but no, you and a few others add even more to this nonsense. Faith in humanity, fading.
Just like he makes a blanket statement about guys in frats being total morons.
Just because they went out and had a good time in college while others hid under their covers at the sign of a party doesn't mean they're morons.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:15 AM
Hah, yeah, you're just dripping with intelligence, aren't you?
Sounds like someone who got their ass kicked in high school by a jock and is holding a grudge.
Yeah, man! You're so awesome! Woo! Yeah! Rock those baseless assumptions! That's what the cool kids do!
So tell me, what kind of study did you make to come up with this profound knowledge of the Xbox fanbase?
Also, I own a Black & Decker toaster. What does that tell you about me? Here's a hint: I like toasted bread.
For crying out loud. I came into this thread with the naive assumption that, just like me, people would find the whole thing stupid and pointless but no, you and a few others add even more to this nonsense. Faith in humanity, fading.
Study? I know plenty of people who have Xboxes. They're about as closeminded and retarded as people get. Almost as bad as bible thumpers in regard to closemindedness.
Just like he makes a blanket statement about guys in frats being total morons.
Just because they went out and had a good time in college while others hid under their covers at the sign of a party doesn't mean they're morons.
Wow.
"OHNOES! SOMEONE IS HAVING A PARTY! UNDER THE BED!"
I rest my case about frat boys being idiots. I like the people who... have a good time in college, and actually graduate.
Not the guys who only remember college for getting fuckin' HAMMERED, BRO! YEAH!
I rest my case about frat boys being idiots. I like the people who... have a good time in college, and actually graduate.
Not the guys who only remember college for getting fuckin' HAMMERED, BRO! YEAH!
lol, enjoy the ignorance, big guy. Hope it takes you far.
(Definitely a grudge against jocks)
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:19 AM
lol, enjoy the ignorance, big guy. Hope it takes you far.
(Definitely a grudge against jocks)
Uh, yeah. Definitely.
Keep up those assumptions, meathead. Apparently you're not a very good jock if you're posting on a gaming forum. Aren't you supposed to be just way too cool to be hanging out with nerds?
Uh, yeah. Definitely.
Keep up those assumptions, meathead. Apparently you're not a very good jock if you're posting on a gaming thread. Aren't you supposed to be just way too cool to be hanging out with nerds?
Hahaha, yeah, I'm making the assumptions. But then again, how can I even comprehend what that means if I'm too busy getting 'fucking hammered' and not graduating.
I don't give a shit who you are and what you like - if you're a decent guy and fun to be around I'll hang with you. Just because you can't run a 4.4 40 doesn't mean you're not a good time.
But you knew that already. Of course.
Mr.Green
08-10-2006, 10:25 AM
I'm out of words, like, whatever.
It's like talking to a brick wall, I wouldn't worry about it. The ignorance is stunning, especially when he tries to turn things around on me trying to bait me into making a derogatory remark about, as he said, nerds.
I don't understand where the obvious hate comes from. It's either a very, very bad experience or a blatant stereotype.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:31 AM
I don't give a shit who you are and what you like - if you're a decent guy and fun to be around I'll hang with you. Just because you can't run a 4.4 40 doesn't mean you're not a good time.
But you knew that already. Of course.
Such a shame not all jocks think that way.
Such a shame not all jocks think that way.
Ever think that maybe the attitude your sporting had something to do with it?
You act as if anyone who is athletically inclined and/or in a frat is spawn of the devil.
Guess what? Someone who treats me like I'm an idiot right off the bat isn't going to be someone I want to hang around with anyway.
CaptStu
08-10-2006, 10:38 AM
Hey Aversion, I think you would be pretty surprised to know who is and is not a frat boy on this site. If you want to portray Evil Avatar and other sites and "nerdy" and for those with higher intelligence, that's your call, but it's your disbelief as well. I was a jock. I was a frat guy. And, I like videogames. Call me what you will.
Edit: Well said, Mac. Everything.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 10:39 AM
Call me what you will.
What? You... Will!
CaptStu
08-10-2006, 10:39 AM
Shoot, Kam. Shoot.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:42 AM
Hey Aversion, I think you would be pretty surprised to know who is and is not a frat boy on this site. If you want to portray Evil Avatar and other sites and "nerdy" and for those with higher intelligence, that's your call, but it's your disbelief as well. I was a jock. I was a frat guy. And, I like videogames. Call me what you will.
Edit: Well said, Mac. Everything.
Most frat guys I have known have been complete douchebags in every regard. From treating women like objects, taking every single chance to getting uncontrollably drunk, to putting partying over the reason they're at school in the first place (an education?). So, before you jump that I'm "making assumptions," I've known plenty of frat guys to know that the majority of them are complete assholes.
Though I do have a few friends who are frat guys and actually decent human beings.
Most frat guys I have known have been gamers as far as Halo or The Guy Game is concerned.
I consider EA a gaming news place. Not a "I like Halo" site. Is it a nerd utopia? Of course not, there's a lot of people here who aren't very nerdy. I don't consider myself a nerd. Geek? Sure. There's a difference to be found.
So, before you jump that I'm "making assumptions," I've known plenty of frat guys to know that the majority of them are complete assholes.
What?! That, in and of itself, is a total assumption.
Listen, I'm not arguing frat boys are the choirs of the angels, but we're not followers of the Anti-Christ either.
There are good and there are bad. Just like - oh my gosh - all people.
You can't make a blanket statement like that, man.
If it's a negative experience, you should've just come out and said so instead of labeling us blindly as morons. (And me in the process - thanks for that, by the way)
CaptStu
08-10-2006, 10:49 AM
Most frat guys I have known have been complete douchebags in every regard. From treating women like objects, taking every single chance to getting uncontrollably drunk, to putting partying over the reason they're at school in the first place (an education?). So, before you jump that I'm "making assumptions," I've known plenty of frat guys to know that the majority of them are complete assholes.
Though I do have a few friends who are actually decent human beings.
Most frat guys I have known have been gamers as far as Halo or The Guy Game is concerned.
I consider EA a gaming news place. Not a "I like Halo" site. Is it a nerd utopia? Of course not, there's a lot of people here who aren't very nerdy. I don't consider myself a nerd. Geek? Sure. There's a difference to be found.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you just said. I got myself into a lot of trouble while in school, academically and legally. I had fun. I made a few bad choices, and I may even regret some aspects of my life during that time. I also like to think I treated people with respect and had friends of all types, with varying likes and hobbies. There are those of us out there. Those who are not quite as arrogant to brush off the world around us. To simply classify all frat guys in one lump sum is way too easy and simply wrong.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 10:50 AM
What?! That, in and of itself, is a total assumption.
Listen, I'm not arguing frat boys are the choirs of the angels, but we're not followers of the Anti-Christ either.
There are good and there are bad. Just like - oh my gosh - all people.
You can't make a blanket statement like that, man.
If it's a negative experience, you should've just come out and said so instead of labeling us blindly as morons. (And me in the process - thanks for that, by the way)
I've just known a lot of them. If you know a lot of people in any demographic, and you get a negative experience majority of the time, chances are, you're going to write them all off. It's not like I met one guy and was like "Fuck! They're all fucking losers!" I've been to plenty of parties and know how most frat guys act. /shrug
Sorry if you're not the scum-of-the-earth brand of frat boy that I'm referring to, and double sorry for lumping you into that category prematurely.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you just said. I got myself into a lot of trouble while in school, academically and legally. I had fun. I made a few bad choices, and I may even regret some aspects of my life during that time.
And, honestly, isn't that true with all people? We all make mistakes and learn from them.
CaptStu
08-10-2006, 10:52 AM
Mac, what frat are or were you in?
Mac, what frat are or were you in?
AXP.
message is too short
CaptStu
08-10-2006, 10:59 AM
Gotcha. Back in the day, SigEp.
Kelegacy
08-10-2006, 11:09 AM
Ever think that maybe the attitude your sporting had something to do with it?
You act as if anyone who is athletically inclined and/or in a frat is spawn of the devil.
Guess what? Someone who treats me like I'm an idiot right off the bat isn't going to be someone I want to hang around with anyway.
I know what you mean. But you'll get that a lot on gaming forums. Remember, many of these guys spent their friday nights at home watching Star Wars on VHS for the 100th time, while we were out doing our renditions of fun. I don't knock anyone their recreational choices, however (unless you LARP, and then I'll laugh because I'm an asshole :) ). But these guys were also the ones that hated the jocks in school because they were routinely picked on for the way they looked, acted, or their social choices. And jocks preyed on them because they were the guppies in the shark tank, so to say. They hold resentment even though we all know that high school was a bastion for young stupidity. Hormones and growing up can make some of us cruel. I loved high school, but I saw my share of shit. I never participated, but I witnessed.
While some would have called me a jock in school, I am not one. And I am not a nerd despite my hanging out on a gaming forum. I am just a guy who loves playing and watching sports, and a guy that just happens to love playing videogames, reading, and the like. I don't like labels. I just like what I like.
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 11:23 AM
No but the XBox ads/Logo apparantly convey confidence and ass-kickery.
Sony's apparantly doesn't.
Again, this study is EXTREMELY unscientific. The fact that you're taking this seriously astounds me. They wrote a short story after being exposed to the logos and had the stories psychologically analyzed. I don't think there's any way hard data can be drawn out of that, much less with the reverence you seem to be paying it.
See, that's what I don't get. Yeah, I was an All-State athlete before I got hurt. Yeah, I was on the 'top of the high school food chain', I guess you could say. But that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to like certain activities and such.
I read comic books. I enjoy video games (albeit, mostly sports games, haha). I love Star Wars. I don't see those types of activities limited to one type of person, y'know?
Although, for the record, I'd never stay in on a Friday night watching Star Wars if there was a party to be had.
And uh...what's LARP?
Kelegacy
08-10-2006, 11:37 AM
And uh...what's LARP?
You don't want to know.
But otherwise, you and I are very much alike. I play sports games but I also love RPGs like Oblivion. My tastes span all genres. And I would rather go out on Friday nights than sitting at home. Sometimes it's nice, but if I can party and act a fool instead, I'm there.
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 11:40 AM
Again, this study is EXTREMELY unscientific. The fact that you're taking this seriously astounds me. They wrote a short story after being exposed to the logos and had the stories psychologically analyzed. I don't think there's any way hard data can be drawn out of that, much less with the reverence you seem to be paying it.
What's not hard data here? It doesn't have to be concrete numbers to notice trends when you get enough sample data.
Look at my earlier post regarding ANYTHING you read/hear/see and it's affect on your emotions. It's simply the way most people's minds work.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 11:55 AM
What's not hard data here? It doesn't have to be concrete numbers to notice trends when you get enough sample data.
Look at my earlier post regarding ANYTHING you read/hear/see and it's affect on your emotions. It's simply the way most people's minds work.
Just because the article does not reprint the entire study does not mean that it isn't scientifically sound.
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 12:16 PM
What's not hard data here? It doesn't have to be concrete numbers to notice trends when you get enough sample data.
Just because the article does not reprint the entire study does not mean that it isn't scientifically sound.
A psychological analysis of a short story is not going to be hard data. You need to know what angle the psychologist is coming from, what they were looking for specifically, etc. You'd also need to have these kids writing the stories coming into the thing "clean". In otherwise, in order for the study to accurately show how the logo/brand SPECIFICALLY affects them, you'd have to know they didn't have anything else on their mind affecting them emotionally, which is both unlikely and, by your own logic that anything you read/hear/see affects emotions, impossible. I simply don't think there's any reason to take this seriously unless you want to be a trolling Sony-basher like sir Kamalot over there.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 12:40 PM
A psychological analysis of a short story is not going to be hard data. You need to know what angle the psychologist is coming from, what they were looking for specifically, etc. You'd also need to have these kids writing the stories coming into the thing "clean". In otherwise, in order for the study to accurately show how the logo/brand SPECIFICALLY affects them, you'd have to know they didn't have anything else on their mind affecting them emotionally, which is both unlikely and, by your own logic that anything you read/hear/see affects emotions, impossible. I simply don't think there's any reason to take this seriously unless you want to be a trolling Sony-basher like sir Kamalot over there.
How on earth is this study Sony bashing?
Really, I'd like to know. Cause if there is some Sony bashing to be had here, I want in on it. ;)
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 12:45 PM
A psychological analysis of a short story is not going to be hard data. You need to know what angle the psychologist is coming from, what they were looking for specifically, etc. You'd also need to have these kids writing the stories coming into the thing "clean". In otherwise, in order for the study to accurately show how the logo/brand SPECIFICALLY affects them, you'd have to know they didn't have anything else on their mind affecting them emotionally, which is both unlikely and, by your own logic that anything you read/hear/see affects emotions, impossible. I simply don't think there's any reason to take this seriously unless you want to be a trolling Sony-basher like sir Kamalot over there.
And I'm sure they know a lot of that. But a newsreport on a scientific study typically doesn't go into detail of all the control variables of said study.
And to the 2nd part...no you wouldn't have to know that. If you have a large enough group with a large enough sampling it doesn't matter what other factors affect certain people. Those factors would be in everyone, so by having hand picked certain people with a 'clean' background you are tainting your survey by favoring one group over the other.
I'm not bashing Sony at all, and haven't. In fact...I made fun of both groups in my comment.
archon
08-10-2006, 12:54 PM
So uh... what does this mean if I play all three consoles?
Sazime
08-10-2006, 02:26 PM
Study? I know plenty of people who have Xboxes. They're about as closeminded and retarded as people get. Almost as bad as bible thumpers in regard to closemindedness.
Mmmmmm, delicious irony...
You don't want to know.
Ah, come on man. LARP is cool! Live Action Role Playing. I have two words for you my friend, "Magic Missle."
So uh... what does this mean if I play all three consoles?
You are lost and confused, just like me. In fact, playing PC games makes it worse for me. Why must I punished this way? WHY?!?
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 03:33 PM
And I'm sure they know a lot of that. But a newsreport on a scientific study typically doesn't go into detail of all the control variables of said study.
Your blind faith in this study disturbs me. I suppose next time they release a study "proving" that game-playing leads to outburts of hardcore violence in people of all ages you're going to just trust that as well?
And to the 2nd part...no you wouldn't have to know that. If you have a large enough group with a large enough sampling it doesn't matter what other factors affect certain people. Those factors would be in everyone, so by having hand picked certain people with a 'clean' background you are tainting your survey by favoring one group over the other.
But if we're talking emotional reaction to ONE specific thing, of course everything else affecting every person in the study matters. The only way to really tell if that one specific thing caused a certain reaction, invariably or in general, would be for the subjects to have nothing else possibly affecting their emotions, which is impossible. I'm not just saying some people would have other stuff affecting them -- I'm saying everyone must. And then there's also the fact that they're having them write a story. The act of writing itself opens up a whole other can of worms. And again, how do you know that they had the requisite large enough sampling?
The idea that any one brand name or logo or commercial inevitably makes someone feel a certain way is, in my humble opinion, completely ludicrous.
I will say this: I agree with their idea that exposure to ads DOES affect young people and even older people. I just don't think it's as easy to knock it down to "Brand A will make people feel this way. Brand B will make people feel this way." That seems like oversimplification to me.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 03:35 PM
Your blind faith in this study disturbs me. I suppose next time they release a study "proving" that game-playing leads to outburts of hardcore violence in people of all ages you're going to just trust that as well?
Personally, I don't have enough time in my life to research the scientific validity of every study that is reported in the media.
Do you?
At some point, we have to take things on some level of faith, otherwise, we'd have to proof each end every calculation we do.
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 03:37 PM
Personally, I don't have enough time in my life to research the scientific validity of every study that is reported in the media.
Do you?
At some point, we have to take things on some level of faith, otherwise, we'd have to proof each end every calculation we do.
Okay. I repeat: I suppose next time they release a study "proving" that game-playing leads to outbursts of hardcore violence in people of all ages, you're going to take that on "some level of faith" as well? Or at the very least, you wouldn't really have grounds on which to challenge those people who do, since you are willing to do the same yourself?
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 03:46 PM
Okay. I repeat: I suppose next time they release a study "proving" that game-playing leads to outbursts of hardcore violence in people of all ages, you're going to take that on "some level of faith" as well? Or at the very least, you wouldn't really have grounds on which to challenge those people who do, since you are willing to do the same yourself?
You don't have to believe the report. Why not write to the newspaper and try to locate the source of the study?
I'm not suggesting we close our eyes to the truth, but if you suggest that we need to review every scientific study that is done, you'll be busy.
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 03:48 PM
I'm not suggesting we close our eyes to the truth, but if you suggest that we need to review every scientific study that is done, you'll be busy.
I didn't say we had to review it. I never once said that. I just said accepting it for no reason other than that you accept it doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument for why I should trust the study.
Kamalot
08-10-2006, 03:57 PM
I didn't say we had to review it. I never once said that. I just said accepting it for no reason other than that you accept it doesn't make for a terribly compelling argument for why I should trust the study.
Well, I suppose I accept it because I don't have the time to review all scientific studies. If it is wrong or false, then another study will come alomg and debunk it eventually. Science is self-correcting like that.
bapenguin
08-10-2006, 04:01 PM
Your blind faith in this study disturbs me. I suppose next time they release a study "proving" that game-playing leads to outburts of hardcore violence in people of all ages you're going to just trust that as well?
But if we're talking emotional reaction to ONE specific thing, of course everything else affecting every person in the study matters. The only way to really tell if that one specific thing caused a certain reaction, invariably or in general, would be for the subjects to have nothing else possibly affecting their emotions, which is impossible. I'm not just saying some people would have other stuff affecting them -- I'm saying everyone must. And then there's also the fact that they're having them write a story. The act of writing itself opens up a whole other can of worms. And again, how do you know that they had the requisite large enough sampling?
The idea that any one brand name or logo or commercial inevitably makes someone feel a certain way is, in my humble opinion, completely ludicrous.
I will say this: I agree with their idea that exposure to ads DOES affect young people and even older people. I just don't think it's as easy to knock it down to "Brand A will make people feel this way. Brand B will make people feel this way." That seems like oversimplification to me.
If I see Microsoft to you what's the first word you think of? If I say Jessica Simpson to you what's the first word you think of? Whatever it is that was formed by some kind of emotion or association. Something happened regarding that person/image/name/word/whatever that tied an emotional experience to it, and when you see/hear/whatever that...it usually brings it up again. I don't see why that's so hard to grasp, it's human nature.
Emotion is complex, and the term has no single universally accepted definition. Emotions are mental states that arise spontaneously, rather than through conscious effort.
What's the point the too have all these mindless people who have 0 outside affects in a study? That's not reality...there's no point in testing that.
You are TOTALLY missing what I am saying...I'm not saying this study is 100% correct...or that whatever findings are complete fact. What I am saying is it's common sense to think that everything you read/see/hear has some kind of affect on you and your emotions. Again I'm not accepting it for no reason...I'm accepting it for what I'm saying above. Personal experience.
It's funny too..if you read the wording carefully it doesn't even say the self confidence thing didn't occur for the Playstation branding...it just said it occured less.
AversionFX
08-10-2006, 04:55 PM
Ah, come on man. LARP is cool! Live Action Role Playing. I have two words for you my friend, "Magic Missle."
I have two better. "Lightning bolt."
Followed by "Sleep."
Johan
08-10-2006, 06:02 PM
High on power motivation? Personally, I'm high on life...a natural high ;) And I have an Xbox AND a 360, so I should be doubly powerfully motivated, right? Nope...just high on life :)
Frogleg Special
08-10-2006, 07:02 PM
You say that as if there's something wrong with that.
No, nothing wrong with it, Frat Boy.
Unless you feel something wrong with it.
Kefkataran
08-10-2006, 09:49 PM
If I see Microsoft to you what's the first word you think of? If I say Jessica Simpson to you what's the first word you think of? Whatever it is that was formed by some kind of emotion or association. Something happened regarding that person/image/name/word/whatever that tied an emotional experience to it, and when you see/hear/whatever that...it usually brings it up again. I don't see why that's so hard to grasp, it's human nature.
But having someone write a story after being exposed is VERY different from fast word or image association like that. And "It's human nature" is a terrible argument for anything as nothing can be conclusively proven to be human nature.
What I am saying is it's common sense to think that everything you read/see/hear has some kind of affect on you and your emotions.
And I actually said I agreed with that. Or rather, I agree that I believe that everything you read/see/hear/experience has an affect on you and your emotions. I wouldn't say it's "common sense" but only because I think that's just as unprovable a term as "human nature". But yes, I agree with that.
No, nothing wrong with it, Frat Boy.
Unless you feel something wrong with it.
I don't even know what that means.
Oh, and Kef - I promise you if I ever find anyone LARPing they're getting a big "meathead" asskicking.
Sometimes it's fun to abuse the power.
Frogleg Special
08-11-2006, 04:02 AM
I don't even know what that means.
So case closed. ;)
bapenguin
08-11-2006, 07:17 AM
But having someone write a story after being exposed is VERY different from fast word or image association like that. And "It's human nature" is a terrible argument for anything as nothing can be conclusively proven to be human nature.
You should check out some of the works (if you haven't already) of John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke) and Thomas Hobbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbes). They deal with a lot of Human nature topics in regards to Psychology.
Of course Human Nature itself is unproven, but it can merely a guideline as to how a collective acts/behaves.
Kefkataran
08-11-2006, 09:19 AM
You should check out some of the works (if you haven't already) of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes. They deal with a lot of Human nature topics in regards to Psychology.
I've read lots of Locke and Hobbes. I like a lot of Locke's stuff, but I think Hobbes is shit. I happen to adore Locke's idea of tabula rasa, which is basically just that human nature doesn't exist -- that we all start out with a clean slate onto which our personality is etched.
Man, fuck Hobbes, though. Seriously. Hate that guy.
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