FROM Software Cancels Two Playstation 3 Games [Archive]

Borys

08-10-2006, 03:24 AM

TotalVideoGames (http://www.totalvideogames.com/pages/home/index.php) has the news that japanese software development house FROM Software (http://www.fromsoftware.jp/main/htmlindex.html) known for such games and franchises as Armored Core, Tenchu, Otogi and the recent Xbox 360 title Chromehounds (http://chromehounds.com/) has cancelled the production of two upcoming Playstation 3 titles - Dark RPG and Black Blade.

You can read the short blurb here (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/FROM_Stops_Work_On_PS3_Titles_10418_0_0.htm).

Announced at Tokyo Game Show 2005, FROM Software has today announced that production on the PlayStation3 titles Dark RPG and Black Blade, has stopped.

The news was confirmed to the Japanese publication Famitsu, though reasons for the decision have not been made.Editor's Note: Thanks to rival81 for a similiar submission.

Hmpf.

This and the recent rumours about Dragon Quest IX coming to the old PS2 (japanese on-line shops had it for a pre-order for a while) can't be good for Sony and Playstation 3.

Vandenh

08-10-2006, 04:06 AM

Strange.... maybe they are having some problems and are waiting a while to start up PS3 development. It certainly points in the direction that something is a bit off. From Software has always been a loyal PS developer.

Heretic Machine

08-10-2006, 04:12 AM

Sazime

08-10-2006, 04:17 AM

Yeow, add this to the list I guess. I hope more concrete answers on why this is happening surface. Or maybe "it's a pain in the ass to develop for" is the answer?

soco

08-10-2006, 04:19 AM

DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!11

they've a lot of xbox games, starting i think with Otogi all the way through Enchant Arm.

they're a fence-rider like lots of other jap devs other than Square.

Sazime

08-10-2006, 04:21 AM

DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!11

they've a lot of xbox games, starting i think with Otogi all the way through Enchant Arm.

they're a fence-rider like lots of other jap devs other than Square.
Square develops for Nintendo and Sony, not to mention released FFXI for the 360.

Besides, fence riders make the most money in the industry when they do things right. Look at Electronic Arts and Lucas Arts.

soco

08-10-2006, 04:34 AM

Square develops for Nintendo and Sony, not to mention released FFXI for the 360.

Square only throws out crap titles to the company that isn't king in that particular arena. say FFCC or FFXI. portables are another story as there Nintendo is king. you don't see them porting their big titles to other systems, or even trying to make some balance. (unless you'd consider FFCC or Silpheed to be big titles) constrast this with a fence rider like From, who has several titles for both the PS3 & 360 planned, with some games appearing on both.

From does, however, neglect Nintendo, having only released 2 NGC games and like 1 DS game. i'm guessing that has to do with their typical audience and the typical Nintendo target audience perception.

Borys

08-10-2006, 04:41 AM

How many PS3 games in development have been cancelled to date? Something around 6 titles IIRC.

Reanimated

08-10-2006, 04:55 AM

How many PS3 games in development have been cancelled to date? Something around 6 titles IIRC.

16 games.

http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html

Borys

08-10-2006, 04:56 AM

Anybody?

Anyway FROM still will release AC4 for PS3. Don't lose the faith Sony fans!

Sazime

08-10-2006, 04:57 AM

How many PS3 games in development have been cancelled to date? Something around 6 titles IIRC.
Here's a quick list. (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15888)

DanAmerson

08-10-2006, 05:06 AM

Those games sounded nice and all, but can I get another Lost Kingdoms game?

dba

NoName

08-10-2006, 05:16 AM

Hmpf.

This and the recent rumours about Dragon Quest IX coming to the old PS2 (japanese on-line shops had it for a pre-order for a while) can't be good for Sony and Playstation 3.
Really? I hadn't heard about that. That's exciting, that means I'll get to play DQ IX!

Eran Hawke

08-10-2006, 05:19 AM

I thought From was big on Bluray. Don't they like lots of rendered videos in their games?

This is sad. Where is the PS3 love?

benig

08-10-2006, 05:23 AM

I consider Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles to be a big game.

dragntyr

08-10-2006, 05:26 AM

antoniogaud

08-10-2006, 05:28 AM

Borys

08-10-2006, 05:51 AM

antoniogaud

08-10-2006, 06:01 AM

worried about what?

Eran Hawke

08-10-2006, 06:04 AM

I've grown out of my previous blind Sony love. I want to love them, but the PSP felt like betrayal. Our relationship is going through a rough spot. I've invited Sony to go to counseling with me but they told me that the relationship issues are all mine.

antoniogaud

08-10-2006, 06:09 AM

I agree. I used to be a fan of all machines - never a fanboy. I've been playing games since the Fairchild System F (I'm 37) and have owned EVERY machine ever made (yes, even 3DO). This is the first time I am having negative thoughts on a company and it troubles me.

I guess the problem is that I've always seen a benefit and appeal to each particular machine that is released. With the PS3 I am not sure I see something that interests me and the price is insulting.

I don't think I am alone when I say this: I want to want a PS3, but I dont. I am perfectly happy with my X360 and am looking forward to Wii.

vistigris

08-10-2006, 06:40 AM

roboninja

08-10-2006, 06:44 AM

Can't a day go by without another "I hate sony" crapfest post. Meanwhile the Might and Magic Dark Messiah demo was recently released and shockingly there's not one post about it. I actually found out about it by accident! WTF!
There is a post about the Dark Messiah demo; I read it yesterday (link (http://evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16023&highlight=dark+messiah)) . As for the "Can't a day go by without another "I hate sony" crapfest", this is news, as these games were announced, then cancelled. What should EA do, stick it's head in the sand and pretend it never happened so Sony fans are not subjected to the giggling of Xbox fans?

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 06:46 AM

Can't a day go by without another "I hate sony" crapfest post. Meanwhile the Might and Magic Dark Messiah demo was recently released and shockingly there's not one post about it. I actually found out about it by accident! WTF!
Jeez, you folks need to shut the hell up where your Sony paranoia is concerned! You're now making huge fools of yourselves by bumping your gums about any coverage that's not positive for Sony. Yet, when some positive Sony news comes along and we post it, these same people are either posted missing or add some pithy remark about how biased we are. Idiots.

Oh, and if you bothered to look, you would have found this (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16023), with numerous replies. Oh, and it was posted as NEWS on the front page so there's really no excuse for you missing it, unless you did so on purpose in order to support your arguement.

Vermillion

08-10-2006, 06:51 AM

Buuurrrrrnnnn. Silly Sony Fanboy.

dragntyr

08-10-2006, 07:45 AM

Well, my bad I guess I missed that. I'm just tired of seeing post after negative post on Sony, my fav. being the one on blue-ray reviews like that has anything to video games. As for being a Sony fanboy if I had to pick sides it would be Nintendo, although they have burned me in the past as well with their once rappant censoring of games (NES and SNES) and lack of 3rd party support (N64 and Gamecube).

antoniogaud

08-10-2006, 07:47 AM

I'm just tired of seeing post after negative post on Sony, my fav. being the one on blue-ray reviews like that has anything to video games.

That's true, but Sony is the one at fault for this by making such a big deal of the advanced features of BluRay.

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 07:52 AM

Jeez, you folks need to shut the hell up where your Sony paranoia is concerned! You're now making huge fools of yourselves by bumping your gums about any coverage that's not positive for Sony. Yet, when some positive Sony news comes along and we post it, these same people are either posted missing or add some pithy remark about how biased we are. Idiots.

Oh, and if you bothered to look, you would have found this (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16023), with numerous replies. Oh, and it was posted as NEWS on the front page so there's really no excuse for you missing it, unless you did so on purpose in order to support your arguement.

sorry dude but you are the first who jump on the sony hate bandwagon everytime

the page from techonopilia is pure fanboy crap a lot of these games werent developed on the first place and some crap like theseis is pure bullshit ( the developers never intend to make a ps3 game)

i dont mind ps3 bashing if there is any good reason,but this bullshit is stupid

Xenkylm

08-10-2006, 07:59 AM

Fitabits, isn't there a way you can release the info while protecting your source?

See? He can't get your name right either, filabubs.

gspot

08-10-2006, 08:06 AM

How many PS3 games in development have been cancelled to date? Something around 6 titles IIRC.
At least will find out if Ken was right when he said the PS3 would sell even without games.

Whatever the outcome, I know I ain't buyin' that shit.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:08 AM

I'm just tired of seeing post after negative post on Sony, my fav.Well, maybe we can send our complaints directly to Sony and tell them to get their act together. I mean, people aren't just making up bad stories.

Ernst_Jager

08-10-2006, 08:12 AM

there is nothing wrong with having an opinion about Sony. For me, I hate how they are always trying to push their unqiue media onto people. I would love to see a list of how many types they have in the past. I can think of at least 5 off the top of my head.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:12 AM

Anyway FROM still will release AC4 for PS3. Don't lose the faith Sony fans!
The title of this (http://www.news0r.com/index.php?p=3690) article indicates that From has halted all PS3 development.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 08:14 AM

sorry dude but you are the first who jump on the sony hate bandwagon everytime

the page from techonopilia is pure fanboy crap a lot of these games werent developed on the first place and some crap like theseis is pure bullshit ( the developers never intend to make a ps3 game)

i dont mind ps3 bashing if there is any good reason,but this bullshit is stupid
What the hell? We're not even talking about the same post. And FROM cancelling games is not PS3 bashing on Evil Avatar's part (or even mine) - it's a damn fact. It's now very evident that Sony are having issues with third party developers, or vice versa - if people can't see that then they are the ones with issues.

You made me so mad that I popped a pimple on my back. Damn you!

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:16 AM

...a lot of these games werent developed on the first place...
Black Blade, the canceled PS3 title in development by From software is still in development for the 360 according to the original article (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/FROM_Stops_Work_On_PS3_Titles_10418_0_0.htm).

The Technophillia article that lists PS3 canceled games (http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html), also lists cross-platform cancelations as well as games canceled for the 360. If you can think of any other canceled games, please send them to the author for inclusion in the list. You can do that by adding a comment to the blog page (http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html).

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:17 AM

You made me so mad that I popped a pimple on my back. Damn you!That, god sir, is NAS-TAY!

Kefkataran

08-10-2006, 08:19 AM

Sixteen titles cancelled is a lot? How many 360 titles have been cancelled? Titles get cancelled all the time, and while this is unfortunate, it's far from a death knell.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 08:19 AM

Where is that bit of news Fitabits said was 'coming soon' about Playstation 3 development problems? I think it would be particularly appropo here.

Fitabits, isn't there a way you can release the info while protecting your source?
FCOL, it's fitbabits! :p

And I can't divulge anything without the source being easily identifiable, by which I mean there's only one place that the information I have could have originated.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 08:20 AM

Sixteen titles cancelled is a lot? How many 360 titles have been cancelled? Titles get cancelled all the time, and while this is unfortunate, it's far from a death knell.
You're right, but us reporting the facts is seen by some as Sony bashing and I'm getting sick of that.

Xenkylm

08-10-2006, 08:23 AM

You made me so mad that I popped a pimple on my back. Damn you!

and THAT is why steroids are illegal.

PS3 game cancellations are a big deal because the system hasn't come out yet. Once it's out, it's less of a big deal because naturally developers will have a sense of the marketshare and can make more educated decisions (and because there will likely be more games available at that point anyway).

The "I never heard of it/wasn't gonna play it anyway" crowd needs to think about that a bit. If you don't care about having more gaming options, that's kinda sad. There's never anything wrong with MORE games, or MORE 3rd party support.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 08:26 AM

That, god sir, is NAS-TAY!
Sorry! I couldn't help myself. I just reached over my shoulder and gave it a hearty squeeze without thinking. It hurt like hell (almost like a cleansing pain), but at least it's gone now.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:50 AM

The "I never heard of it/wasn't gonna play it anyway" crowd needs to think about that a bit. If you don't care about having more gaming options, that's kinda sad. There's never anything wrong with MORE games, or MORE 3rd party support.
The "I never heard of it/wasn't gonna play it anyway" excuse is called 'Sour Grapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes)'.

It is easy to despise what you cannot get.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:51 AM

Sorry! I couldn't help myself. I just reached over my shoulder and gave it a hearty squeeze without thinking. It hurt like hell (almost like a cleansing pain), but at least it's gone now.
We need a little emoticon to indicate barfing.

Syl

08-10-2006, 08:53 AM

Those games sounded nice and all, but can I get another Lost Kingdoms game?

dba
Yeah, that's what i was wondering. I would love to see another Rune/Lost Kingdoms title. The first one was enjoyable, the second one greatly improved upon it. A Wii or DS version would be excellent.

That said, at least Baten Kaitos 2 is coming out for the cube this year. That game demands a DS version though, would make the combat system far easier.

Flatpicker

08-10-2006, 08:57 AM

Does anybody know how FROM's finances are?
Is it possible that these cancellations are a prelude to a reorg?
Perhaps merge the 360 dev teams with the PS3 and cut costs?

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 08:58 AM

That said, at least Baten Kaitos 2 is coming out for the cube this year. That game demands a DS version though, would make the combat system far easier.I've read that Baten Kaitos was in developmentfor the DS. I read it a LONG time ago and haven't heard anything since.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 09:01 AM

Does anybody know how FROM's finances are?
Is it possible that these cancellations are a prelude to a reorg?
Perhaps merge the 360 dev teams with the PS3 and cut costs?
I can't say for certain, but I believe their financial situation is good. They seem to be doing okay for themselves based on games like Otogi, Armored Core and Chromehounds.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 09:02 AM

Here is the bit about Baten Kaitos for the DS.

http://www.gamespot.com/ds/rpg/batenkaitosds/news.html?sid=6149840

I hope the music makes it to the DS. The music is my favorite part of Baten Kaitos.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 09:03 AM

I can't say for certain, but I believe their financial situation is good. They seem to be doing okay for themselves based on games like Otogi, Armored Core and Chromehounds.
Maybe it does not make good business sense to develop for the PS3. If their financials are good, they must have good business sense.

Citizen Philip

08-10-2006, 09:18 AM

Umm.. the entire irrelevent parts of the thread aside. I don't really think this is a major issue, we know the PS3 is totally backwards comp, so any new stuff for the PS2 is going to work perfectly fine for the PS3.

Right now the PS2 is made to perform magic tricks as developers know how to tweak and finesse every bit of power out of the system, and at the same time the 360 and the PS3 are both going to have clunky games that will be far outstripped when they reach the end of their respective product lives.

The PS3 will have a collection of last generation PS2 games that will have more jaggies, but will perform excellent and look great and you'll have PS3 games that will look good but aren't using the system at it's limits. And naturally both the 360 and PS3 games will get more technically complex as develpment continues.

Mountain.

Molehill.

fitbabits

08-10-2006, 09:19 AM

Mountain.

Molehill.
Wood...

for the...

Trees!

Dag-Sabot

08-10-2006, 09:38 AM

The PS3 will have a collection of last generation PS2 games that will have more jaggies, but will perform excellent and look great and you'll have PS3 games that will look good but aren't using the system at it's limits. And naturally both the 360 and PS3 games will get more technically complex as develpment continues.
-Wow what a great incentive to shell out $599 a PS3: "It will play ps2 games!" Pure marketing genius. And naturally both the 360 and PS3 games will get more technically complex as develpment continues.
The trouble is some devlopers are already pulling stakes and the [SONY] console isn't even out yet...

Although not having another "armor core" game at launch is definetly a silver lining.

Citizen Philip

08-10-2006, 09:52 AM

-Wow what a great incentive to buy a PS3: "It will play ps2 games!" Pure marketing genius. I suppose you can use the ps2 you already own as a stand for the new one with the tray as an optional jellybean holder with the j-b action expansion kit (TM).

The trouble is some devlopers are already pulling stakes and the [SONY] console isn't even out yet...
Although not having another "armor core" game at launch is definetly a silver lining.

You can spin it, anyway you want. That's your business. If you want to think of it as absolutely terrible thing, that's wonderful.

In my opinion, the last season of PS2 games have a number of excellent titles, and you will be able to play them on your PS3: They will probably play better than on a PS2, but have more jaggies and what have you.

On the other hand, the PS3 & 360 are using a mere fraction of their potential with their first generation of titles. There will be many future titles that will blow the socks off of us with new gameplay and graphics.

Sony has had quite a bit of bad press, a smaller developer, having a limited budget might choose discretion instead of gambling when it comes to choosing which titles to develop.

Quite frankly I imagine a number of publishers and developers would rather have the big boys with their million dollar budgets 'pay' for all the learning needed with the next gen boxes in the first and second round of titles. The smaller companies can start picking up the pieces in a year or two when they can focus on what they want to do, instead of wasting limited development money on trying to figure out how to do, what they want to do.

Dag-Sabot

08-10-2006, 09:58 AM

You can spin it, anyway you want. That's your business. If you want to think of it as absolutely terrible thing, that's wonderful.
Quite right. Although i wasn't implying it was terrible. Just made me say "Hmmmmmmmm". And then made me kinda happy to know there will be plenty of ps2 titles to keep me entertained without having to buy another console...For a long while.

RMan

08-10-2006, 11:05 AM

Sl1pstream

08-10-2006, 11:16 AM

I'm sure this is about Chromehounds not financially validating their future plans (I seriously doubt it'll come close to covering it's costs). I'm sure you're going to see plenty of cancelations for PS3 and 360.

It's in the top Xbox Live games for a few weeks now so enough people must've bought the game.

Kefkataran

08-10-2006, 11:20 AM

You're right, but us reporting the facts is seen by some as Sony bashing and I'm getting sick of that.

Hey, I agree. I don't think it's Sony-bashing. I just think some of the responses are blowing it out of proportion. Significantly. Citizen Philip's right in this one.

RMan

08-10-2006, 11:26 AM

It's in the top Xbox Live games for a few weeks now so enough people must've bought the game.
That's a heck of a stretch, how many people is that, and how many are playing the demo (if it has one)? It likely doesn't take much to get a top spot for a short time when you have little competition.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 11:38 AM

That's a heck of a stretch, how many people is that, and how many are playing the demo (if it has one)? It likely doesn't take much to get a top spot for a short time when you have little competition.
The demo is single player, not multi, like the Live usage indicates. Being the most played multiplayer game on Live is huge news. Does anyone have links? I know for a long time it was Halo 2 and then GRAW.

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 11:59 AM

That quote from the original article doesn't say canceled, it says production has stopped.

Keep up the negative spin, wouldn't want to miss out on another interview on xbox.com.

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:01 PM

Black Blade, the canceled PS3 title in development by From software is still in development for the 360 according to the original article (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/FROM_Stops_Work_On_PS3_Titles_10418_0_0.htm).

The Technophillia article that lists PS3 canceled games (http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html), also lists cross-platform cancelations as well as games canceled for the 360. If you can think of any other canceled games, please send them to the author for inclusion in the list. You can do that by adding a comment to the blog page (http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html).

the technopilia article is pure fanboy BS is been debunked in any discussion

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:02 PM

That quote from the original article doesn't say canceled, it says production has stopped.

Keep up the negative spin, wouldn't want to miss out on another interview on xbox.com.
Right, cause production continues on the 360 version. It would make sense not to develop the PS3 version, but not cancel it...right? :confused:

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:03 PM

the technopilia article is pure fanboy BS is been debunked in any discussionYep, but only by you.

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:07 PM

The title of this (http://www.news0r.com/index.php?p=3690) article indicates that From has halted all PS3 development.

really?

so,explain me this

Armored Core 4 (PS3)

- November release
- Screenshots and effects are supposedly awesome
- High speed boosting allows mechs to move at over 1000 kmph
- 2 part anime OVA (Armored Core Fort Tower Song) to be released in 2007 Spring

From Software cancels development on Dark RPG (PS3) and Black Blade (PS3).

its on the same issue of famitsu

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:09 PM

really?

so,explain me this

Armored Core 4 (PS3)

- November release
- Screenshots and effects are supposedly awesome
- High speed boosting allows mechs to move at over 1000 kmph
- 2 part anime OVA (Armored Core Fort Tower Song) to be released in 2007 Spring

From Software cancels development on Dark RPG (PS3) and Black Blade (PS3).

its on the same issue of famitsu
I can't explain it. Maybe the article is wrong. All I know is the title of the article says that From Software is no longer developing for the PS3. Perhaps you should contact the authors of the article and ask them to explain.

After all, I didn't write it.

Zanzibar

08-10-2006, 12:11 PM

I love Sony.

I'm just worried.

I hate Sony.

Every day is like Christmas these days.

/ducks

Kefkataran

08-10-2006, 12:18 PM

God damn, Kamalot is just in full-on "LOL SONY SUX" mode today, huh?

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:19 PM

Yep, but only by you.

and a lot of forums like gaf/gamasutra/beyond3d

ok let see

Killing Day -was more a tech demo for a future game on that e3 than anything else ( on words of the developers)

Theseis

a game from some little dev house on greece,they admit later they never intend to develop it for ps3,was a "joke" acording to his manager

Elveon

another pc game ported to 360 and "promised" for ps3,keep that word.."promised"

Endless Saga

[UPDATE] A representative from Webzen phoned GameSpot to explain why the prioject was cancelled. "[Endless Saga] was under project review, and the board of directors decided [the game] wasn't as innovative as some of the other projects [Webzen] is working on," said the rep.

Condemned:Criminal Origins

a port from a one year old game? gamespot and ign took that development for sure,but monolith states that it was a waste of time and they move their resources to FEAR on ps3

Smackdown 07
thq is bleeding money,they need to cut some developments,the ps3 port is done in japan by a well know westrling game dev,they are working on their next engine for ps3 ( yukes)

Oblivion
NEVER WAS A OFFICIAL RELEASE and never was cancelled officialy

Splinter Cell: Double Agent

there is no news of this game cancelled,just only speculations

alan wake

wtf man,the game was buyed by microsoft,wadda u expect?

thats all,its that Ur glorious list of ps3 cancelled games? sorry for my english but this list is pure bullshift,carnage for the fanboys

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:20 PM

n.

After all, I didn't write it.

yay,but you use to bash the ps3,who is more reliable? famitsu? or the ppl who make a article about the famitsu issue?

RMan

08-10-2006, 12:20 PM

Being the most played multiplayer game on Live is huge news.
Perhaps to you, but it's not worth any money. What I'm saying is that the sales of the game are what allows them to make more games (either by self funding or proving their worth to publishers).

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 12:22 PM

Right, cause production continues on the 360 version. It would make sense not to develop the PS3 version, but not cancel it...right? :confused:

You can release a game for the 360 now, you can release a game for the ps3 at some hazy point in the future.

Unless Sony is giving you buckets of cash for a release title, it would make sense to focus your efforts on a platform currently available, the 360.

That said, no reason to throw out the game you've been working on for the ps3, just put it on hold until the ps3 picture gets clearer.

neither way is it good news for sony/ps3, but there is a difference between canceled and postponed(stopped). I'm glad I don't suffer bandwagon syndrome like so many other people do. Everybody else feel free to keep jumping on, though, don't mind me.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:24 PM

Perhaps to you, but it's not worth any money. What I'm saying is that the sales of the game are what allows them to make more games (either by self funding or proving their worth to publishers).
Is Chromehounds not selling well? How much did it cost to produce? Is From Software losing money over it?

If it is the most played game on Xbox Live, then I'm sure SOME people purchased the game. I know Jack B is always playing it, cause he's on my friends list and I see him on there almost every night.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:29 PM

and a lot of forums like gaf/gamasutra/beyond3d

ok let see

Killing Day -was more a tech demo for a future game on that e3 than anything else ( on words of the developers)

Theseis

a game from some little dev house on greece,they admit later they never intend to develop it for ps3,was a "joke" acording to his manager

Elveon

another pc game ported to 360 and "promised" for ps3,keep that word.."promised"

Endless Saga

[UPDATE] A representative from Webzen phoned GameSpot to explain why the prioject was cancelled. "[Endless Saga] was under project review, and the board of directors decided [the game] wasn't as innovative as some of the other projects [Webzen] is working on," said the rep.

Condemned:Criminal Origins

a port from a one year old game? gamespot and ign took that development for sure,but monolith states that it was a waste of time and they move their resources to FEAR on ps3

Smackdown 07
thq is bleeding money,they need to cut some developments,the ps3 port is done in japan by a well know westrling game dev,they are working on their next engine for ps3 ( yukes)

Oblivion
NEVER WAS A OFFICIAL RELEASE and never was cancelled officialy

Splinter Cell: Double Agent

there is no news of this game cancelled,just only speculations

alan wake

wtf man,the game was buyed by microsoft,wadda u expect?

thats all,its that Ur glorious list of ps3 cancelled games? sorry for my english but this list is pure bullshift,carnage for the fanboys
Thanks for going through the trouble of posting this. I read a list of excuses and a lot of Sour Grapes.

Some of them were not promised, some of them were. Some of them were canceled, some of them were not announced. Some of them no longer mention PS3 in their press materials but still reference 360.

If you care to maintain a list, a better, more accurate list, I'd be happy to read it. If you care to take apart someone else's list, piece by piece, it probably deserves its own thread.

I'm not the one who first posted the list of canceled games and I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way, but you are the only person I can remember seeing here on Evil Avatar that has any real beef about it.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:30 PM

Seriously though, this is the best excuse of all...

Condemned:Criminal Origins

a port from a one year old game? gamespot and ign took that development for sure,but monolith states that it was a waste of time and they move their resources to FEAR on ps3

Yep. It makes a lot of sense to cancel efforts on a port of a year-old game to concentrate efforts on a port of another year-old game. :rolleyes:

RMan

08-10-2006, 12:31 PM

All I know is the title of the article says that From Software is no longer developing for the PS3.
Well, what makes threads like these big deals for fanboys is that they draw the wrong conclusion, more accurately they’re halting production on future/next-gen titles, the fact that they were announced for the PS3 doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Unless they’re continuing production on 360 or Wii versions of the indicated titles there is no logical reason why it’d be a reflection on the PS3. Without silly fanboy assumptions, the obvious reasons are the titles themselves not showing promise, or the company not being otherwise able to continue production.

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 12:31 PM

God damn, Kamalot is just in full-on "LOL SONY SUX" mode today, huh?
Just wait till I get going!

...where was I? ;)

Rangoth

08-10-2006, 12:31 PM

Damnit where is my PS3 Barby Horse Racing Adventure game????

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:33 PM

Seriously though, this is the best excuse of all...

Yep. It makes a lot of sense to cancel efforts on a port of a year-old game to concentrate efforts on a port of another year-old game. :rolleyes:

yup wanna know another so called excuse? a year old game ON CONSOLES who is bombed saleswise to port a year old port of a PC GAME who has sell craploads

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:35 PM

Thanks for going through the trouble of posting this. I read a list of excuses and a lot of Sour Grapes.

Some of them were not promised, some of them were. Some of them were canceled, some of them were not announced. Some of them no longer mention PS3 in their press materials but still reference 360.

If you care to maintain a list, a better, more accurate list, I'd be happy to read it. If you care to take apart someone else's list, piece by piece, it probably deserves its own thread.

I'm not the one who first posted the list of canceled games and I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way, but you are the only person I can remember seeing here on Evil Avatar that has any real beef about it.

sorry dude i have tried but your fanboysm its too strong to make any serious debate or anything sony related

who is the other one who posted the list? reanimated? yeah,champion of the unbiased posters XD

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 12:37 PM

yup wanna know another so called excuse? a year old game ON CONSOLES who is bombed saleswise to port a year old port of a PC GAME who has sell craploads

It is kind of sad you have to point that out to him, isn't it?

RMan

08-10-2006, 12:41 PM

If it is the most played game on Xbox Live, then I'm sure SOME people purchased the game.
No doubt true. Still, it's getting fairly mediocre reviews, seems to have a weak single player component and doesn’t have tremendous marketing. The 360 has a high ratio of players with disposable income, but it’s still a small userbase and it’s unlikely, IMO, that this game is making enough money to fund or validate one next-gen product, much less two. I’m not trying to bash the developer, but that’s how it is, publishers can't pay their employees with Xbox live accolades.

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:43 PM

It is kind of sad you have to point that out to him, isn't it?

the sad thing his porting fEAr to consoles without the expansion planned for pc,monolith can learn a thing or two from valve

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 12:44 PM

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 01:05 PM

No doubt true. Still, it's getting fairly mediocre reviews, seems to have a weak single player component and doesn’t have tremendous marketing. The 360 has a high ratio of players with disposable income, but it’s still a small userbase and it’s unlikely, IMO, that this game is making enough money to fund or validate one next-gen product, much less two. I’m not trying to bash the developer, but that’s how it is, publishers can't pay their employees with Xbox live accolades.

If you extend your reasoning, there would never ever be any titles early in the life of a console from anybody other than the console producer.

That clearly isn't the case, so there must be other reasons beyond immediate profit for developing on a console that is just getting established. Fact of the matter is at some point, if you still want to develop console software, you have to adopt the new platform(s) because sooner or later, the existing one will no longer be manufactured. Starting early should give you a competitive advantage, I'd think, since you would hopefully develop insights into the platform that your competitors who held back and waited do not have.

In the case of chromehounds, I don't think it took them very much money to produce it. It doesn't really qualify as a "next generation" game, imho, in any area except multiplayer, and even there it has some fairly annoying issues. This is the developer who has churned out a number of armored core titles. I wouldn't be amazed to find out that they reused quite a bit of existing code from armored core games in chromehounds, it'd make sense, wouldn't it? No need to reinvent the wheel in regards to AI programming for mechs when they've already got it, presumably in a high level language that can be recompiled with minimal changes.

I've no idea about sales figures for it, but I think they're probably not that great, but I also know that the developer/publisher didn't expect to sell a bazillion copies in the early days of a console, either, unless they're idiots.

IRONGUSTAV

08-10-2006, 01:09 PM

the developer/publisher didn't expect to sell a bazillion copies in the early days of a console, either, unless they're idiots.

cod2 says HI

some early games sell a lot because their is not a lot of catalogue to choose from

dragntyr

08-10-2006, 01:19 PM

I love Sony.

I'm just worried.

You've had to know that a post like this is but a microburst in the Microsoft vs. Sony shitstorm that as of late has plagued this forum. Not only that but it gives an excuse for idiots like reanimated and kamelot to open there fanboy mouthes and strew their imflamatory bs. So if you really are legitimately concerned, one has to wonder why you posted this?

RMan

08-10-2006, 01:27 PM

If you extend your reasoning, there would never ever be any titles early in the life of a console from anybody other than the console producer.
No, not true, if you attempt to read my post you’ll see I had several bad things to say about the game, the point is that you have to have a heavily marketed game that can appeal to the mass of early adopters in order to be a success on a new system (in the retail market, of course, this doesn’t apply to low cost XBLA games). There are few obvious successes on the 360 right now, and none that come to mind that aren’t heavily marketed sequels.
I've no idea about sales figures for it, but I think they're probably not that great, but I also know that the developer/publisher didn't expect to sell a bazillion copies in the early days of a console, either, unless they're idiots.
Or that they believed the market would be there, in short, they bought into the HD hype (this and possibly all the other reasons that games don’t make a profit, which are many). If you think they expected to lose money, then you really don't think much of them, they'd have canceled the project if that were the case.

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 02:31 PM

cod2 says HI

some early games sell a lot because their is not a lot of catalogue to choose from

I don't disagree with this at all. My point was that there are only so many 360 owners out there at this point, which puts a limit on how many copies you're going to sell. Which is obvious in and of itself, but I'm referring with respect to an established console like ps2.

COD2 caught a window that Chromehounds missed, obviously. Do we know that From/Sega intended to hit that window with CH?

51|RandoM

08-10-2006, 02:35 PM

If you think they expected to lose money, then you really don't think much of them, they'd have canceled the project if that were the case.

I don't think you read much of what I said. There are clearly reasons to develop early in the life of a new console other than immediate profit. I also pointed out that I thought the development costs of CH were probably not what people are expecting of a new nextgen title. Furthermore, I said they probably didn't expect to sell a huge number of copies. Put those all together and you end up with a developer with an effective approach to inexpensively start building experience on a new platform.

So, in short, your opinion about what I think of From/Sega is completely opposite of what my opinion is. :)

If a game developer stuck to your pure profit logic, they'd produce shovelware for the ps2, exclusively.

Sl1pstream

08-10-2006, 02:37 PM

Or that they believed the market would be there, in short, they bought into the HD hype (this and possibly all the other reasons that games don’t make a profit, which are many).

First of all, it's a mech game. The market for mech game isn't that large, even if you make a great game. I wouldn't think they'd expect to sell many copies with a mech game. Second, they had huge server issues the first few weeks, which means that their servers couldn't handle the amount of people playing. If they expected their game to sell out everywhere, they wouldn't have had those issues because their servers would be prepared for it.

Magnanimous Gnome

08-10-2006, 02:49 PM

Really? I hadn't heard about that. That's exciting, that means I'll get to play DQ IX!

Actually I've heard tell that the next DQ title (IX right?) may actually be a Wii exclusive. Supposedly Square-Enix is waiting to see how the new DQ spin off (DQ Swords: The Mask Queen and the Tower of Mirrors) does on the Wii first. I hope this becomes reality - I really wanted to play DQVIII but I don't have a PS2.

Magnanimous Gnome

08-10-2006, 02:52 PM

God damn, Kamalot is just in full-on "LOL SONY SUX" mode today, huh?

No shit, just like every other day. I'd add the guy to my Ignore list, but then threads like this would look pretty sparse. :p

No better way to boost your post count then to make post after post (after post, etc.) in Sony threads, right Kam?

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 02:52 PM

Actually I've heard tell that the next DQ title (IX right?) may actually be a Wii exclusive. Supposedly Square-Enix is waiting to see how the new DQ spin off (DQ Swords: The Mask Queen and the Tower of Mirrors) does on the Wii first. I hope this becomes reality - I really wanted to play DQVIII but I don't have a PS2.
Wow! Really? Do you have any linkage for this? I'd like to learn more. :eek:

Kamalot

08-10-2006, 02:53 PM

No shit, just like every other day. I'd add the guy to my Ignore list, but then threads like this would look pretty sparse. :p

No better way to boost your post count then to make post after post (after post, etc.) in Sony threads, right Kam?
Well, I suppose I could do that in any thread, but yeah. Submitting news is also fun.

Truth be told, having a genuine interest in gaming news is good. Having opinions is also helpful. Having people loathe you isn't bad either, cause that provides a lot to talk about, just likt this. :D

Magnanimous Gnome

08-10-2006, 03:06 PM

Wow! Really? Do you have any linkage for this? I'd like to learn more. :eek:

It was in EGM an issue or two ago. It's probably up on 1up somewhere as well. If I get bored I'll try to find it. ;)

I actually don't have anyone on my Ignore list, so don't worry Kamalot. There's at least 10 people who would be on there before I added you. :D

Kefkataran

08-10-2006, 03:21 PM

So if you really are legitimately concerned, one has to wonder why you posted this?

It's news, and it would've got posted here eventually anyways. I hate the reaction as much as you do, but we can't just stop reporting on stories because people are going to react stupidly.

RMan

08-10-2006, 06:10 PM

Put those all together and you end up with a developer with an effective approach to inexpensively start building experience on a new platform.
I would say there's no inexpensive way to push a hardcore retail game on either system, but regardless, that’s a horribly expensive way to get experience with a system (and doesn’t seem like their plan anyway, since the two games they halted production on were not for that system).
So, in short, your opinion about what I think of From/Sega is completely opposite of what my opinion is. :)
Well, I certainly didn’t get the idea about the production of the game being cheap, that being your premise your argument makes sense. Of course, being predicated on production being cheap is way off, IMO, I don’t think there’s any way it was cheap enough for their sales to cover costs.
If a game developer stuck to your pure profit logic, they'd produce shovelware for the ps2, exclusively.
I still think you’re wandering way off topic, what I was saying is they misjudged the market and perhaps the quality of the title, and this is what most likely caused them to stop working on future titles, not specifically the PS3’s issues. Not once did I say that launch titles can’t be successful, only that they have to be heavily marketed to cover the heavy production costs, and the fact that there are no examples of successful ones that don’t follow that formula suggests it has some merit. And in the end, the assumption that a smaller developer can mark something like Chromehounds up as a learning experience, shrug off the expenses, and continue the production of two other 360 or PS3 titles is incorrect. The whole point was that this isn’t really about the PS3 or 360.

First of all, it's a mech game. The market for mech game isn't that large, even if you make a great game.
Mechassault did pretty well, and I think that’s the market they were hoping to hit.
Second, they had huge server issues the first few weeks, which means that their servers couldn't handle the amount of people playing. If they expected their game to sell out everywhere, they wouldn't have had those issues because their servers would be prepared for it.
Hehe, never seen a company make a mistake, eh? I’m also not sure I follow the logic, they didn’t fix the server issues because they expected lower sales? The more likely scenario is that they didn’t have the money for extensive infrastructure, especially since the bulk of players would be there the first month (very common for MP game launches).

Regardless, it’s unfortunate, but the safe assumption is that they simply couldn’t afford the other titles because of Chromehound’s performance, not because the PS3 sucks (otherwise they’d move them to the more familiar 360). It’s likely no coincidence it follows so closely after Chromehound’s release.

Sl1pstream

08-10-2006, 11:32 PM

Mechassault did pretty well, and I think that’s the market they were hoping to hit.

I don't know. It would seem that if they did want to hit that market, they would've made a completely different game. I mean, look at the reviews. They were going for strategy, where Mechassault was just another shooter with a mech theme.

IRONGUSTAV

08-11-2006, 04:02 AM

I can't explain it. Maybe the article is wrong. All I know is the title of the article says that From Software is no longer developing for the PS3. Perhaps you should contact the authors of the article and ask them to explain.

After all, I didn't write it.

and reality says HI

armored core 4 ps3 launch (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/724/724543p1.html)

Armored Core 4 Set for PS3 Launch

Plus, a few details on From's next generation mech sim.
by IGN Staff

August 9, 2006 - The latest Armored Core game could be one of the first things you play when you get your PS3 later this year. The latest issue of Famitsu confirms a November Japanese PlayStation 3 release for Armored Core 4, suggesting that the game will arrive either on launch day or shortly thereafter. Famitsu also shares a few details on the game.

Armored Core 4 promises some major changes for the series, including a brand new world. The game takes place in a future version of our world as overpopulation causes shortages of food and resources. Six conglomerates attempt to form a new world order by starting a war. Faced with 30 new types of Armored Core units, people fall to the will of these corporations, and a new world order is formed. People reside in colonies under a system called Pax Economica, which can either be viewed as a form of socialism, or a form of slavery. The game begins five years after this new system has taken effect.

Gameplay details are still pretty scarce. Armored Core 4 promises to offer the fastest battls we've ever seen in a mech game. Of course, the game will feature all the customization we've come to expect from the series, although there may be a few simplifications to help beginners. In addition, while you'll have full control over your mech on the battle field, beginners will be able to automate some tasks.

Famitsu also reveals that the title will include network support for up to eight players. Details beyond this are not provided.

Xbox 360 owners should note that although the PS3 version has been confirmed for November Japanese release, the same cannot be said about the Xbox 360 version. That version is now listed in Famitsu with a TBA date.

With a release timed closely to the PS3's launch, we expect to get hands on time with Armored Core at the Tokyo Game Show. Stay tuned!

screens here

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MoJoBehaumat

08-11-2006, 06:10 AM

Hey where is my new Fantavisioin?!? :(
OK...so maybe I dont need it
but a Zone of the Enders games would peek my intrest :)

Kamalot

08-11-2006, 07:16 AM

armored core 4 ps3 launch (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/724/724543p1.html)

Armored Core 4 Set for PS3 LaunchThese are nice looking. Was this playable at E3? Do you have high-rez screens?

Thanks for digging up this info!

Mr.Condescension

08-11-2006, 02:13 PM

Actually I've heard tell that the next DQ title (IX right?) may actually be a Wii exclusive. Supposedly Square-Enix is waiting to see how the new DQ spin off (DQ Swords: The Mask Queen and the Tower of Mirrors) does on the Wii first. I hope this becomes reality - I really wanted to play DQVIII but I don't have a PS2.

I hate to say it, but that would make sense. The FF series requires pretty heavy duty graphics, but the DQ series with its cell shading requires alot less power, I'd wager. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see DQ on both consoles, though.

Kamalot

08-11-2006, 04:13 PM

I hate to say it, but that would make sense. The FF series requires pretty heavy duty graphics, but the DQ series with its cell shading requires alot less power, I'd wager. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see DQ on both consoles, though.
Just curious, but why do you 'hate to say it"? :confused:

Mr.Condescension

08-11-2006, 04:17 PM

Just curious, but why do you 'hate to say it"? :confused:

Because I'm not buying a Wii. I am buying a 360 and a PS3. The PS360, rather than the Wii60.

edit: Rather, I don't plan to buy a Wii. If Nintendo gives me enough compelling reasons to buy a 3rd console I will, but nothing so far suggests me opening my wallet just yet.

Wasson_

08-11-2006, 04:34 PM

I used to be a huge Armored Core fan...but I stand convinced that it's a completely dead franchise.

Yeah 30 new AC types and a revised setting...and zero real innovation or fun gameplay. and a really short, really stupid story mode. I can see all...ugh...I'd still buy it anyway.

If someone could take insanely awsome modification in AC and give it the insanely awsome combat of Zone of Enders...you'd have a truly amazing mech game.

Kamalot

08-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Because I'm not buying a Wii. I am buying a 360 and a PS3. The PS360, rather than the Wii60.

edit: Rather, I don't plan to buy a Wii. If Nintendo gives me enough compelling reasons to buy a 3rd console I will, but nothing so far suggests me opening my wallet just yet.
buying a PS360 seems totally and utterly redundant as the machines are nearly identical in power according to every developer report I've heard.

But hey, whatever floats your boat!

Mr.Condescension

08-11-2006, 07:01 PM

buying a PS360 seems totally and utterly redundant as the machines are nearly identical in power according to every developer report I've heard.

But hey, whatever floats your boat!

You clearly haven't heard all the developer reports or hang out at beyond3d.com, where developers actually come to chat and argue about the PS3 and 360. That aside, I don't buy hardware for the specs. I buy hardware for the exclusive content that I want to play. I want to play FFXIII, FF Versus XIII, MGS4, Resistance Fall of Man, Heavenly Sword, Tekken 6, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Lost Planet, and maybe Dead Rising and Fable 2 (among many other exclusive titles and multi-platform titles). How do you propose I play all those games without having both the 360 and the PS3?

As for multi-platform games, I will buy whichever one is the lead SKU, as I always have. Right now the lead SKU is the Xbox 360, presumably because of the newness of the PS3 dev kits. That may or may not change in the future, based on developer interest in maximizing the architectures of the systems, so I'll have my bases covered either way.